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Post  Elanor on Wed May 18, 2011 8:38 am

I Gotta Gloat! (About My Prediction or Theory)

This topic serves as an archive of a thread from the Harry Potter Lexicon Forum as hosted on World Crossing which ceased operation on April 15, 2011. Elanor

Kip Carter - Jul 17, 2005 5:09 am
Edited Aug 30, 2007 5:14 am

Chemyst submitted the idea for this new thread.

Could we have a "I Gotta Gloat!" thread where folks can post about any predictions they made that actually came to pass? Ideally I'd like to see the reference, copy & paste, or link to the former post, but that might be asking for complications---

Yes, Chemyst, that could cause complications for many; however it can be done. I may add instructions of how to do this later. In the meantime, for those who add link within their post, please remember to delete the data between the two @ signs in the URL which identifies you in your post. This is very important so that someone will not be able to steal your identity.
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Lupin is Lupin. Natch. - Jul 17, 2005 7:31 am (#1 of 104)
Sometimes known as Kim.
Well, feel free to delete my post because the first person who should be posting here is Prefect Marcus. Uhmmm, wait, maybe not.

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Eponine - Jul 17, 2005 7:39 am (#2 of 104)

I have to admit that I am quite smug about the external soul theory. I didn't come up with it, but I was a proponent of it as seen here and here.

It wasn't entirely correct, but it was very close in principle.

Also, ships. Whee!

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Betelgeuse Black - Jul 17, 2005 8:20 am (#3 of 104)

The 'ships. Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. It's hard not to doubt yourself when JKR can be tricky but this one seemed too obvious.

Betelgeuse

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Ginerva Potter - Jul 17, 2005 9:36 am (#4 of 104)

I had the ships right, too. I was sooo happy when Harry was finally noticing Ginny.

Ginny

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Loopy Lupin - Jul 17, 2005 9:42 am (#5 of 104)

Well, feel free to delete my post because the first person who should be posting here is Prefect Marcus. Uhmmm, wait, maybe not. - Lupin is Lupin

Who is this Prefect Marcus you speak of and why should he post here first?

Ron/Hermione was hardly my theory, but I have been in numerous very heated discussions defending that ship. (There were threats to close the 'ship thread if we didn't behave.) If R/H wasn't dead obvious before, it ought to be perfectly clear now. Congrats to all the Harry/Ginny people. You were always on the back burner it seemed, but look at you now.

Finally, just kidding Marcus. I jumped on the Harry/Pansy 'ship with you and am fully prepared to go down. We fought the good fight indeed.

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Ponine - Jul 17, 2005 10:08 am (#6 of 104)

I reject your reality and substitute my own!
I take my bowler off (never too late to start wearing one) to Eponine and the others who beautifully figured out the essence of horocruxes and many other things (that I of course cannot remember now, sadly - still somewhat overwhelmed). I know that while reading, I had to stop every now and then and triumphantly shriek HA! Forumers saw that one coming, believe it or not! Personally, I am delighted to see that both my ships seems to sail along wonderfully, and while certainly not original, I still appreciate the fact that they seem to be serious and with lots of potential.

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Nearly Legless Mick - Jul 17, 2005 10:41 am (#7 of 104)

I got a very minor one! I suggested that the Order should harness Fred and George's talents on their thread and I'm glad to see that so many of their products have now found serious uses.

Unfortunately it's not just the good guys using them. Hopefully F+G will create some things just for the good side. They could be the equivalent of Q in the James Bond films for the Order.

I didn't predict this on the forum, but I always felt that DD should die a while before the big ending purely for the dramatic integrity of the series. It's important that Harry emerges from his protection to fight his own battles. Although Harry has done so much, I always felt that DD was there in the background watching out for him, or ready to come to the rescue as he did at the MOM battle.

So in a strange way I'm glad about what JKR has written and I hope DD really is dead although I will miss him so much. I do hope that he can communinate somehow from beyond the grave, either through messages he has left to be sent after his death, or through his portrait.

Agree the Harry / Ginny and especially Hermione / Ron relationships were pretty telegraphed in advance - still nice to see them blossom.

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Gina R Snape - Jul 17, 2005 11:12 am (#8 of 104)

"The world isn't split into good people and death eaters"
I knew it was Snape who overheard the Prophesy!!!!!!! And I knew DD would be the one to die. But I think we all knew THAT one...

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hellocello3200 - Jul 17, 2005 11:16 am (#9 of 104)

I thought DD would die, but I was surprised that he died in this book and not the next. Without DD, Harry is going to have to fend more for himself, and it will be odd not having him around at all during the school year.

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Lupin is Lupin. Natch. - Jul 17, 2005 11:18 am (#10 of 104)

Sometimes known as Kim.
Oh, I think he'll be back at school, one way or another. Oops, maybe that should go on a different thread.

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Liz Mann - Jul 17, 2005 11:26 am (#11 of 104)

Join us for the Philosopher's Stone Watch-A-Long
Put it in the thread for the last chapter, Lupin is Lupin.

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Hermionefan(#1) - Jul 17, 2005 1:43 pm (#12 of 104)

missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Really the only theories I got right were the Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hermione, and Lupin/Tonks. I was very wrong about the HBP theory (I thought it was Mark Evans) but my friend was right about Dumbledore dying in this book, so when she told me that I agreed with her, so that sort of counts (but not really)...

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Liz Mann - Jul 17, 2005 1:49 pm (#13 of 104)

Join us for the Philosopher's Stone Watch-A-Long
I was right about Dumbledore, and I was right about Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny. I hope there's a future for those couples.

Totally never expected the Half-Blood Prince! Or how Dumbledore would die!

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frogface - Jul 17, 2005 2:19 pm (#14 of 104)

I also had a similar theory to Eponine that Voldemort might have used the diary to survive Avada Kedavra. I also got the ships right. I couldn't bare to believe Dumbledore would die though, nor that Snape would turn out to be a traitor after all.

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Czarina II - Jul 17, 2005 2:24 pm (#15 of 104)

Edited by Jul 17, 2005 2:25 pm
I too was right about the ships! I was practically jumping up and down when Harry finally kissed Ginny -- heck, I was shrieking with delight when he was just jealous of her. (Caused my cats quite a bit of alarm, actually! :-)) And of course, I was glad about Ron and Hermione. That they were jealous of each other for practically the entire year to the exclusion of all else was undeniable. Of course, it is a bit ambiguous at the end, and no doubt the dedicated H/H shippers will point that out, but I personally think that the last scene at the funeral clinched it. No matter how sad you are, you do not collapse crying into each other's arms in public if you are "just good friends". Not in literature, at least, and not if you've been romantically paired.

I was also right about Bill and Fleur getting married, and I did toy with the idea of Lupin and Tonks. I think the former we could all see coming a mile away though.

Just about everything else in the book didn't have me really convinced beforehand, so I had some hits and misses. I was right about Draco on several levels. Certainly out to lunch with the Half-blood Prince! I wasn't sure if Dumbledore would die, but I know that if I had written the series, he would not have. Then again, JKR is a billionaire and a fantastic writer (she deserves her money, I think -- moreso than the Queen does at any rate!), and I am a mere student who writes for fun at the present. Anyhow, I was pretty sure Arthur would get promoted, which he did.

Also, it turns out that our Harry does not have to stay at the Dursleys' until his birthday, just for a few days.

Do we have a predictions for Bk7 thread at all? I have several thoughts.

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Wannabemuggle - Jul 17, 2005 2:49 pm (#16 of 104)

Romi the Arts student
Hey Guys!

I was right about Snape being the Half-blood Prince, and about DD dying in this book... but after reading the DD death scene I wish I hadn't been!!! I was in agony from page 534!!!

J.K.R is such a good author!!!

mwah!

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azi - Jul 17, 2005 3:08 pm (#17 of 104)

Photo borrowed from Ardent Photography
Well, I think the best authors always write unexpected plot twists, and JKR certainly did in this book! Therefore I got very few predictions right.

First, that Dumbledore would die. Most of Harry's OWL grades were what I predicted, I'm a R/H shipper (although we aren't given confirmation they're together are we?) and I did suspect there was something between Remus and Tonks, but I thought the age difference would make it impossible. So yeah, I didn't get much right.

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Liz Mann - Jul 17, 2005 3:41 pm (#18 of 104)

Join us for the Philosopher's Stone Watch-A-Long
That's a point, Azi, were they actually together at the end or did they just come to an understanding?

Argh! I'm really worried about book seven and who's going to die and who's going to survive. J.K.'s proved she's a ruthless writer.

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Marie E. - Jul 17, 2005 5:49 pm (#19 of 104)

Well, I thought the basin on the cover was a pensieve, which is wrong. But I thought they would use a pensieve to discover clues about how to vanquish Voldemort. So some minor gloating.

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Ladybug220 - Jul 17, 2005 6:50 pm (#20 of 104)

...moves faster than Severus Snape confronted with shampoo
Well, I thought DD was going to die but I figured it would be in book 7 about midway through.

I was very pleased with how the ships were going even though Harry kinda parted ways with Ginny but I don't think that she is going to give up on him.

I didn't really trust Snape, but I thought that his betrayal would happen in book 7 as well and I never thought that he would be the one to kill DD. So, Harry has been justified in his hatred of Snape and it got worse. I was not surprised that Snape was the DE that was thrown out of the pub. I did not think that he was the HBP so that was very wrong as was my thinking that the description that JKR gave us was the McClaggan character.

Sigh, only one book left. I am excited but sad as it will be the end of the series.

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Wendelin the Weird - Jul 17, 2005 7:02 pm (#21 of 104)

burned at the stake 47 times and counting...
Well, I got the death correct, although I really hated to have it happen. :'(

I also got the Ginny/Dean--> Harry/Ginny thing correct, and have been a big supporter of that H/G ship since CoS. Ron/Hermione I felt was a given, although I hadn't expected Lavender at all! I even suspect a Neville/Luna connection will develop eventually--they were together at least 3 times in this book (on the train, answering the DA help call, and at the funeral.) They are both kind of outcasts, but oops, I guess thats a prediction instead of one thats already come true. I also figured that he would break up with Ginny to try to protect her from being the target of Voldemort--I still believe that they will defeat Voldemort together through their love for each other (as the only two who seem to have inherited part of LV's power). I don't think they will be apart for long though. Who can resist all the love of a wedding? ^_^

I also predicted Aragog's death and that the children would be restless and hard to control. I suspect in book 7 they will choose sides.

And for the record, I don't believe that Snape has turned traitor. Although up until now I thought he was questionable. I seem to go opposite the tides of popular belief. [I do have a theory about it which I posted elsewhere.]

Oh, and of course that Harry would inherit Grimmauld Place, Buckbeak, and Kreacher from Sirius. That was a bit obvious too though.

Tom Riddle is a sociopath! Spooooky. I found some of that highly disturbing, especially wondering what he did to those kids in the cave. Sad *shivers*

Also, I suspect there is some connection between Dumbledore's death/Fawkes/the two phoenix-feather wands/Ollivander's disappearance. Maybe I should find someplace to post my theory. Wink

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 17, 2005 7:06 pm (#22 of 104)

The only prediction I got right was the fact that Harry would gift the 12GP to the Order and he would gifted Sirius possessions.

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Nymphadora - Jul 17, 2005 7:12 pm (#23 of 104)

Edited by Jul 17, 2005 7:14 pm
A few of my predictions also came true, and I was delighted.

H/G and R/H were among the big ones, and also Tonks and Lupin (YAY!). I think that Luna/Neville is coming along too.

That Neville's wand core would be unicorn hair.

That Snape would get the DADA position and a new Potions master would be appointed, so that Harry could continue taking Potions.

That the Pensieve would play a major role in getting Harry (and us) to understand Voldemort's motivation.

That the new Minister would be a character mentioned in passing, and that the lion-like man was not McLaggen (although I never thought the latter would be a student).

That Draco would let the DEs into the school towards the end of the 6th year, and a fight would ensue.

That Dumbledore would leave us (I knew it and yet cried buckets, go figure!).

Finally, Snape was my #2 candidate for the HBP, and I'd thought (but never posted) that his mother would be the witch, whereas his father a Muggle and hated by Snape. We don't know that he hated his father, but we do know that he was inordinately proud of his mum.

All in all, I gave quite a few whoops! while reading the book, and found myself grinning widely very often!!

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So Sirius - Jul 17, 2005 7:40 pm (#24 of 104)

Edited by Marie E. Jul 17, 2005 9:16 pm
I was right about the ROR being used for something important.

I was right about DD dying, although like most, I hoped it would be in book 7 or that I'd be wrong. Even now, I'm still hoping I'm wrong.

I was right about Snape being a jerk.

I was right about Bill and Fleur getting married.

I was right about Aragog dying, although I thought it would be in a different chapter.

I was right about Harry passing his OWLS and having to take potions again, although I thought it would be with Snape.

I wasn't right though about the overall way the book panned out, I thought we'd be more IN on the war, not hearing about it through Daily Prophet articles and less in on the shipping of the kids, and I thought there'd be more war like details from the school kids and focus on that, other than simple school issues, but the rest of the plot seems to come together as I imagined and I can certainly envision book 7 more clearly now.

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 17, 2005 8:11 pm (#25 of 104)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
Congrats to Harry and Ginny!

I was right about the DADA teacher relating to the title. So great to know that my only theory worked out. (YAY for me!)

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Hem Hem - Jul 17, 2005 9:37 pm (#26 of 104)

I was right that the hut in the deluse US edition of HBP was a "Salazar's Hollow" or sorts; that is, a place where Slytherin anscestors (ie. Tom Riddle's family) had lived).

And, well, the HBP was an inanimate object for most of the book, so I guess I wasn't far off with that one. Although I still wasn't expecting it to be Snape, not until he announced it. Uncanny, how much he was similar to Voldemort....

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Rosariana - Jul 17, 2005 9:45 pm (#27 of 104)

Snape was my number two guess for the HBP, after Dumbledore.

I knew Dumbledore would have to die in the end of this one, but that didn't stop me sobbing. And I hate to admit but I really hoped better of Snape until that moment.

I also have supported the Harry/Ginny ship since book 2, and it made me so happy to see Harry happy in it! I feel quite sure that, even though they seem to be on a break, they will be together in the end, assuming both survive.

The Ron/Hermione ship I feel was obvious, but I never would have guessed Tonks and Lupin! I think they will make a really good couple though.

I knew Draco would become a Death Eater; since his father was imprisoned I thought he would want to do something for the Dark Lord in Lucius's place. However, I didn't imagine he would be given a task of such magnitude so early on in his involvement.

One thing I was positive about since book one was that Harry would be Quidditch Captain. I was actually surprised when he wasn't in book five.

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zelmia - Jul 17, 2005 11:49 pm (#28 of 104)

Oh! And that's a bad miss!
I felt quite vindicated to learn that the real intention of the Diary was just as we had predicted/discussed on the old Very Secret Diary Thread; although in our discussion, we actually took it a step further, predicting that Voldemort might have intended to become his own Heir by creating the Diary.

I seem to be alone in my assessment of Narcissa's love for her son outweighing any loyalties. Most posts seem to indicate surprise at such profound maternal instincts from one so deeply immersed in Evil.

I had also predicted long ago - to much scoffing - that Draco would be handed over to Voldemort. Admittedly, I had assumed this would occur in consequence to some blunder of Draco's; but in essence, this is indeed what happened for Draco in this book. Draco was very clearly meant as a sacrifice for Lucius's costly mistakes. If Narcissa hadn't had the foresight to intervene, Draco would indeed have been handed over to Voldemort.

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Chemyst - Jul 18, 2005 5:11 am (#29 of 104)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
Quotes from this post -

I think Ron will come very close to being killed, but will survive.
I also think the Hand Of Glory will show up again in one of the last two books.
It seems likely that at some point, there will be an attack on the Hogwarts grounds.
I think some shopkeeper(s), either in Hogsmeade or Diagon Alley, will be attacked and die. [...] (I don't think this would be Fred or George though-- it would heighten the terror; a shopkeeper's death might make them realize vulnerable they are and make Molly worry even more.) It could possibly be Mr. Olivander. Just about every wizard in the UK would know him, and that would have a lot of impact. (OK, half-credit, the disappearances have not been confirmed as deaths.)
a terrorist attack on the Knight bus. (When I posted that, I was thinking that a disruption of "public transit" would heighten fear. I was surprised that Stan was used as a ministry scapegoat, but in hindsight, it makes sense that the MoM needed to make an arrest.}
At least one member of the Order (would die).

On Dumbledore, I was wishy-washy. Here are the quotes –
There certainly has been enough foreshadowing to suspect that Dumbledore might die before the end... I don't think there will be another face-off between the two. (DD & LV)... Rowling will try to avoid making him into an Obi-Wan Kenobi copy-cat. I'd hope he survives mortal peril and enjoys a happy retirement with his socks.

And from this thread, there was this scene of Harry's breakthrough during an occlumency session used to explain why Snape was not on the Black family tapestry:
"The hook nosed man yelling at the cowering woman while a small boy cried in the corner was Snape's muggle father --not abusing little Severus but vocally angry at his pure-blood witch wife for teaching their son hexes. He was giving her an "it's either me or magic" ultimatum. Little Severus cried because he wanted to learn the hexes and his dad didn't want him to, and because he knew this was breaking up his family.
Since the wife was the pureblood, only she, under her maiden name would have any possibility of being on the tapestry-- and Harry would not have recognized Snape's mother's maiden name even if he had seen it there."

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Sconie Girl - Jul 18, 2005 5:20 am (#30 of 104)

I was so excited when Harry finally figured out he liked Ginny. I'm a closet H/G and R/H shiper.

Iw as also right that Snape would be DADA teacher in Book 6. Although I guess it really did bring out the WORST in him.

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The Artful Dodger - Jul 18, 2005 9:54 am (#31 of 104)

The only thing I got right is that Harry still could choose to try and defeat Lord Voldemort, even though the prophecy was made.

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Hermy-own - Jul 18, 2005 10:50 am (#32 of 104)

S.P.R.W. Vice President = Ponine
Edited Jul 18, 2005 12:03 pm
"Finally, just kidding Marcus. I jumped on the Harry/Pansy 'ship with you and am fully prepared to go down. We fought the good fight indeed."--Loopy Lupin

Count me in on that, Loopy. Alas, earwax.

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Weeny Owl - Jul 18, 2005 11:04 am (#33 of 104)

I was wrong about Snape being the one who had left forever, but I was basically right about his explanations for his behavior.

I was right about the Death Eaters infiltrating Hogwarts, and about Draco being involved, but I was totally wrong about Draco in so many other ways.

The relationships I don't care about that much, but while I never really saw Tonks and Lupin together, I am glad it happened. It makes me more optimistic about Lupin surviving.

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Love2Travel - Jul 18, 2005 11:29 am (#34 of 104)

I guessed Snape being the HBP and DD's death. Did not see Draco's involvment. Good one JKR!!

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KWeldon - Jul 18, 2005 11:30 am (#35 of 104)

When I read that Snape was the HbP, I had to laugh out loud. Anyone remember the whole hyphen fiasco? That the book title was released without the hyphen, and that meant that it could be interpreted as half of a blood prince? I assumed Snape was a vampire, so I immediately guessed Snape. Once the hyphen was added, I turned my guesses elsewhere. Alas, earwax.

"Finally, just kidding Marcus. I jumped on the Harry/Pansy 'ship with you and am fully prepared to go down. We fought the good fight indeed."--Loopy Lupin When I read that Pansy was stroking Draco's hair on the train, my doubts started seeping in. When I realized that Harry pined for Ginny and they wouldn't get together until the end of the book, I knew the H/P ship was sunk. I can't see it being anyone but Ginny from here on out. Still a great theory, though, with fun supporting clues...

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nu9p - Jul 18, 2005 12:20 pm (#36 of 104)

I got...Snape being DADA teacher, shipping of Ron/Hermione and Harry/Ginny, and Dumbledore's death. That's all that comes to mind right now. I was told I was very wrong on the Snape issue, so "I Gotta Gloat."

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Blaise Zabini - Jul 18, 2005 1:51 pm (#37 of 104)

I thought Blaise would become a big character, and was partially right--he wasn't huge, but he did become part of Slug's group. =]

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popkin - Jul 18, 2005 3:19 pm (#38 of 104)

mother
I got Snape's parents were a witch and an abusive muggle father. I also guessed that Snape would be the DADA teacher, and Harry would take potions from someone new.

I was really surprised Harry didn't take Care of Magical Creatures, and disappointed that Hagrid (as well as many others) played such a small part in this book.

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Mademoiselle Fleur - Jul 18, 2005 8:02 pm (#39 of 104)

I, unfortunately, did not guess anything right in this book except for Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione. Anyway, I am just here to add that my older brother told me as soon as he finnished GoF that Dumbledore would die at the end of book six. Quite impressive of him, in my opinion.

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David Olson - Jul 18, 2005 9:08 pm (#40 of 104)

Well, I gotta gloat about Harry/Ginny. Yeah, there were the hints in the text, but I had other reasons: the only real family Harry has ever had was the Weasley's, and Ginny is the only way he can really join it. Harry needs mama Weasley. But it will be interesting to see what happens at Bill's wedding when Fleur's sister, Gabrielle, sets her eyes on Harry. The Harry/Ginny 'ship still has some rough waters to sail.

Ron/Hermione was too obvious to gloat about, as were Harry's grades. In retrospect, I'm even more impressed that Crouch Junior got 12 owls.

Predicting Dumbledore's "death" (50-50) made too much structural sense: in a trilogy, at the end of book 2, the hero's task should look impossible. If there are 7 books in the series, the end of book 6 is where everything should fall apart. I'm not sure where I'll come down on whether it was real or not. There are too many hints that it was fake, but also plenty of hints that he was quite prepared to die. I can imagine his portrait telling Harry that Snape's total access to Voldemort was more important than his life. So maybe he finally got his "socks," as it were.

I thought Snape would be DADA, partly because of a predictable subplot: Harry wouldn't get an outstanding in potions but somehow he would still take the class and become an Auror. But I had also Snape dying in a heroic fashion at the end of the book, sacrificing himself for Harry and making all the Snape haters feel very bad about themselves. Maybe book seven. For now, Snape is either the biggest traitor --- unlikely because Dumbledore is always right --- or a spy so far out in the cold that his soul is frostbitten.

On the other hand, I am astonished that Voldemort didn't put in even a cameo appearance. And what on earth do the Death Eaters want with an ice cream merchant?

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 18, 2005 10:09 pm (#41 of 104)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
Apologies to whoever said "Cissy" and was subsequently rebuked for doing so.

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OkieAngel - Jul 18, 2005 10:24 pm (#42 of 104)

If we were keeping score, I would've started out negative because JKR killed off my candidate for MOM in the first few pages. I had to grin and shake my head when I realised that Mdm Bones was definetly not going to be up for that promotion. I did get to do my happy dance when DD told Harry about Sirius's will, although I woul've liked more details (like where's the flying motorbike, can Mrs. Black's portrait be removed now, was there a funeral for Sirius??). I was right about Arthur getting a big promotion, and that the twins would not be living at home. I was right about the new DADA teacher not being a new character (although I thought it would be an Order member, but not Snape). I was wrong about the identity of the HBP, I thought it was Godric Gryffindor. I was also wrong about the "major character death." I thought it would be a Weasley(perhaps Charlie, preferably Percy)because for such a prominent wizarding family they had been spared any major trauma so far this go round, but Bill getting brutally maimed by a viscious werewolf qualifies them for the support group meetings, I believe. As for the 'ships, I think the R/H is a given, H/G is a good match, but I was hoping for Harry and Luna just to spice things up. I've seen Tonks and Lupin since OoP, so I was glad for that to come about. I guess the one I'm most proud of being right about is that the DADA position was ACTUALLY cursed. Now it's time for my first re-read so I can start formulating crazy theories about this book...

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Patchwork Girl - Jul 18, 2005 10:37 pm (#43 of 104)

where's Tik Tok?
Honestly not many. But maybe mine will happen in bk. 7. I did have a couple, though not posted on this site. One was that the DADA job was in fact cursed and not only a school joke or off-hand remark by Hagrid. Let's see, the shipping stuff. Oh, the split soul thing, but not the storing it part. I did hear of the stored soul theory of course and thought it a good idea, but I didn't come to that theory independently. Ummmmm, that might be it. I'll have to go back and check sometime. Dead wrong on most of the major stuff though.

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Neville Longbottom - Jul 19, 2005 2:59 am (#44 of 104)

I predicted that Snape was both, the spy who told Voldemort about the prophecy and the spy, who told Dumbledore about Voldies plan to kill the Potters. Half of this is already true.

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mike miller - Jul 19, 2005 8:36 am (#45 of 104)

aka The Barmy Old Codger
Overall, my accurate prediction rate was very low. In my own defense I didn't count the obvious; i.e. Ron/Hermione.

I was correct in guessing the road to the Minister of Magic office is through Magical Law Enforcement, just didn't see Ms. Bones murder.

I predicted Buckbeaks return to Hagrid and his saving Harry bases on the scene that gave JKR "Goosebumps" after seeing the POA movie.

I though Dobby would volunteer to help Harry and "manage" Kreacher.

The Harry/Tonks 'ship has been officially, and completely dismantled.

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Her-melanie - Jul 19, 2005 9:57 am (#46 of 104)

"Did he say you look like a pig that's been taught to walk on its hind legs? 'Cause that's not cheek, Dud, that's true."
I have to say, even though I was sobbing through the whole last part of the book, I jumped up and down and whooped when Snape said he was the Half-Blood Prince. That was really all I got. AND STILL we don't know whether Dumbledore is the giant squid!

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Eunice - Jul 19, 2005 11:29 am (#47 of 104)

*Snapette & Lupinette forever*
I understood that there was a feeling between Lupin and Tonks since OotP, but I would have been happier is the real target of Tonks'interest was Sirius! I don't like Tonks.

My opinion about the prophecy wasn't correct. I thought that it meant that Harry and Voldy had both to die in the end, but I was wrong. JKR has made clear that it just means that Harry is going to defeat Voldy. Well, we knew this from the start...

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glerf - Jul 19, 2005 1:00 pm (#48 of 104)

I figured out that the DADA teacher would be Snape, mainly because he has been waiting so godamn long for the job.


I definitely thought at first that the HBP would be Lupin. then I got to thinking that the HBP might not be a *good* thing, completely. that's when I started thinking it would be Snape. I randomly made a joke about Snape being related to Prince the recording artist, so I laughed when I found out. eheh.


Dumbledore's death was not a surprise. I expected it in this book, and my suspicions were completely confirmed when Dumbledore started private lessons with Harry.

Lupin/Tonks hit me like a bulldozer too.

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timrew - Jul 19, 2005 4:55 pm (#49 of 104)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I guessed that Snape was The Half Blood Prince, that Fleur would marry a disfigured Bill, Snape would kill Dumbledore, Tonks would go head over heels for Lupin, Harry would fall for Ginny, and Ron for Hermione. And Voldemort would split his soul into several parts.......

I am also kidding.......

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KWeldon - Jul 19, 2005 6:53 pm (#50 of 104)

Big deal, timrew. I did all that AND guessed that Ron would snog Lavender!!

Seriously, I did not see that one coming.

On that note, can anyone tell me why when Ron already had a date with Hermione, that he felt compelled to go after Lavender only because Ginny teased him about never having been kissed? I understand that he needed a sure thing, but is his desire to prove Ginny wrong greater than his feelings for Hermione? That made no sense to me.
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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 19, 2005 7:05 pm (#51 of 104)
KWeldon, I think that if Ron brought Lavender home, I think he'd be living with Percy because, I think Molly would be apoplectic. I think the actions with Lavender were due in part to a love potion/

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The Wandless Wizard - Jul 19, 2005 8:05 pm (#52 of 104)

When wands are outlawed, only outlaws will have wands.
Edited by Jul 19, 2005 8:05 pm
His actions had nothing to do with a love potion. Ginny told him that Hermione had kissed Krum ("And Hermione snogged Victor Krum, it's only you that acts like it's something disgusting, Ron, and that's because you've got as much experience as a twelve-year-old!"). That is what upset him. He was mad at Hermione for kissing Krum. In addition to that, he was trying to get "experience" so Ginny couldn't make fun of him. But mostly he was trying to get back at Hermione. It was stupid and childish, but he is a 16 year old guy, what can you expect. Ron even commented later that Hermione was probably just inviting him to the party as a friend if she was going to kiss Krum (never mind the fact that the kiss was 2 years ago if it really happened). So you see, no love potion, just stupid teenage jealousy and pettiness.

-TWW

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Wendelin the Weird - Jul 19, 2005 8:14 pm (#53 of 104)

burned at the stake 47 times and counting...
I think Ron went for Lavender to get Hermione back for snogging Krum. That really hurt him to hear that.

And what on earth do the Death Eaters want with an ice cream merchant?

HA HA!! I thought the exact same thing! I just picture them all sitting around eating sundaes and having arguments over who gets to kill the next family. I think it was mainly to distract us from Ollivander going missing-- we have a key issue between Harry and LV's wands connecting whenever they duel. Maybe LV is trying to discern how to correct the problem through Ollivanders expertise. Either that or he just wanted the spiffiest wand outfitter for his army. You'd think he'd have taken Madame Malkin too so they'd have some well-tailored robes to match. Wink

Zonko's closing makes me imagine a scene where the DEs attack with a legion of dungbomb-hurling Inferius or something.

But erm, I already posted what I was right about so just kick me outta this thread. I just couldnt pass up the ice cream comment.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 19, 2005 8:59 pm (#54 of 104)

TWW thank you for the correction I had forgotten. Now I think I need to drink a potion to improve my memory haha

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Amilia Smith - Jul 19, 2005 9:45 pm (#55 of 104)

Well, the one and only thing I predicted correctly was the tone of the book.

This is mostly due to the fact that I haven't enough imagination to come up with theories on my own, and am too much of a coward to jump aboard other people's theories. Even Harry/Ginny, which I was always rather fond of, I didn't dare claim as Harry had never seen her as anything other than his best mate's kid sister.

Even the things I thought I was absolutely safe in predicting, even to the point of calling them assumptions rather than predictions, didn't pan out. Things not mentioned there that I expected which did not pan out:
There is no way Snape is getting the DADA job.
Harry will get closer to Lupin.
Harry will become even more powerful.
Ch 1 will be Godric's Hollow.

Oh well, the best part of being part of this forum is that I can claim your predictions while I am reading. I can say to myself, "Whoa, so-and-so, totally called that!" or "Whoa, I don't think anyone on the forum even speculated on that one!"

Mills.

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OkieAngel - Jul 19, 2005 10:28 pm (#56 of 104)

I did that too, Amilia. The whole time I was reading HBP, I was remembering the brainstorming and theorising that we all had done here at the forum. It just gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling to know I'm not alone in my obsessing...

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Rod Beecham - Jul 20, 2005 1:35 am (#57 of 104)

I've got egg on my face because I didn't predict that Snape would make me laugh in this book. But that cold, dry. sarcastic manner of his, while intensely irritating when he's talking to good characters, is hugely enjoyable when he's with baddies (Can we forget the scene with Umbridge in OOP?).

Here it is:

LESTRANGE: He [Voldemort] would have me! I. who spent many years in Azkaban for him!

SNAPE [bored voice]: Yes, indeed, most admirable. Of course, you weren't a lot of use to him in prison, but the gesture was undoubtedly fine . . .

"Gesture"!!! Magnificent!

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Puck - Jul 20, 2005 5:51 am (#58 of 104)

Mommy, Queen of Everything
My one thought that came to pass was there would not be a DA anymore. When I wrote here that I didn't see where it would be necessary to continue, people responded that with the war truly started, the club would be more important than ever. HA!

I must have read here too much, because I fully believed all who had us going to Godric's Hollow. I guess that's the next book.

I did figure a short way into this book about Snape being the half-blood prince, but not until after the book became a big clue.

My ships sailed, though I never predicted Ron's detour.

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narisa - Jul 20, 2005 6:10 am (#59 of 104)

Well, I was right about Harry's grades, except CoMC, I thought he will get O, and his NEWT subject (also except that I thought he will attain CoMC), that lead me to be right about new potion teacher and Snape for DADA.

I am all wrong about the ship, well, I never really set my foot in any ship. I love Lipin+Tonk.

I am right that HBP will be someone we well known but I wasn't sure who it will be.

I thought aboout DD death but I guess it will be in book7. Other than this, I am totally wrong.

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Stellar Hawk - Jul 20, 2005 7:21 am (#60 of 104)

Man, some of my guesses were out in the Forbidden Forest!

I thought the Half-Blood Prince might be Salazar Slytherin, and I thought Harry would find out more about the Four Founders. See, I reasoned that well, LV makes a big deal out of blood lines and he's a halfer, so maybe Slytherin was the same way, a big hyppocrite! And I thought maybe Slytherin had tried to take over the school and make himself a prince of sorts. Alternatively, I thought it might be a Weasley (maybe Percy) who would suddenly rise to power in the Ministry. Never saw Snape coming until the very end because I was completely convinced Snape was a pure-blood!

Ships got me by surprise. I thought Harry would hook up with Luna or make up with Cho, or just go it alone. Never saw him w/Ginny because I thought she would be w/Dean or someone else. Tonks & Lupin... well, they're both animagi of sorts, why not? Ron and Hermione was so obvious it doesn't count, although Lavender's involvement was a surprise.

I thought DD might die, but I really expected it to be in book 7 since it didn't happen in OotP. But I don't think DD's influence is going to stop altogether even tho' he's gone. The WW & Muggle World are in for some rough times though...probably something near global chaos until Harry does whatever it is he was born to do.

I thought Snape would keep teaching Potions and he & Harry would keep butting heads all through this book, and McGonagall and DD would talk Snape into taking Harry in his NEWT class even though he only got an E. Never dreamed DD would give in and let Snape teach DADA... not sure if Snape is an improvement over Umbridge either given what happened! Maybe DADA really is cursed?

Snape is a bad seed. (GoF: "You can tell the true measure of a man by how he treats his inferiors.") I've thought so since reading OotP, and it's too bad because I really wanted to be wrong. I kept waiting for Snape to surprise me...but alas, it was only in doing more evil than I thought him capable of. I honestly thought he was the sneaking, spying, back-stabbing kind, not the hands-on cold-blooded killing kind. I keep thinking of Sam's words in LotR: "He's a villain, Mr. Frodo! You don't see it, do you?" And I thought he'd get killed in Book 6, and it would be partly Harry's fault, but he would deserve it.

And speaking of Snape, I thought we might find that he'd been the victim of a love potion in the past, probably in retaliation for some of the mean pranks he liked to pull.

I thought it likely that one of Harry's DA friends would betray him in this book, never suspected DA being disbanded in favor of the Slug Club. Why would anyone be proud of being a slug anyway???

Fred and George as war-profiteers, that was kinda predictable given their obsession with making money in GoF and OotP. Wonder if they had anything to do with the closing of Zonko's or if it simply folded bc. students weren't going to Hogsmeade much anymore?

I thought we might hear from Kreacher again, but I thought he might be with the Malfoys or Bellatrix. And I thought Harry would stay bitter about Sirius a lot longer and stop talking to DD in this book. (At least until I saw the cover art). I also thought we might get a peek at Azkaban. I thought some members of the OotP would die, but I thought it would be Lupin, Moody or Tonks. I could see Tonks sacrificing herself as a Harry-decoy since she can assume anyone's appearance. Also I never thought of the Room of Requirement being used for such evil purposes, that was a shock!

Looking forward to book 7, but in a way, I dread it. I don't want this great series to be over!!!

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Jennifer Anderson - Jul 20, 2005 1:20 pm (#61 of 104)

I was right about the ships Harry/Ginny, Ron/Hermione and Bill/Feur. I was right that Blaise Zabini is a run of mill Slytherin. I was also correct on front that Fred and George selling some of their inventions to the public could have some bad consequences( read the second to last chapter if you missed it Ron's states his irritation with them )

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Star Crossed - Jul 20, 2005 1:33 pm (#62 of 104)

Ever wonder what happened while the Marauders were at Hogwarts? [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
I got Ron/Hermione. Yay me. I used to sail Harry/Ginny because I was in support of OBHF theory (One Big Happy Family). I quit some time before OP though. I thought Ginny/Dean was a joke. I thought Ginny would get with Neville, actually. (Wow...I'm not gloating that much.) Another thing I got right was I figured Ron would make Hermione jealous by getting together with someone who was her polar opposite. However, I thought it would be Luna. I was close enough. Very Happy

I figured DD would die, but I thought it wouldn't be until book seven.

Everything else, I was pretty dead wrong.

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timrew - Jul 20, 2005 2:53 pm (#63 of 104)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Wendelin The Weird:- And what on earth do the Death Eaters want with an ice cream merchant?

Just think of the advertising possibilities...............

"After a good days Death Eating, there's nothing The Dark Lord and his Death Eaters like more than settling down with a Florean Fortescue ice-cream, and discussing the day's events....."

The advert would picture them all, sat round a table in the open air, laughing and joking about the number of people they'd Avada Kedavra'd while licking their ice-creams........

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Madame Librarian - Jul 20, 2005 4:19 pm (#64 of 104)

I got the 'ships right, though that wasn't very hard. Duh.

I'm proudest of my somewhat mangled version of the Horcrux/split soul thing. Now, I wasn't on the mark--I mean, who'd a thunk it would be seven pieces?--but I got the general idea of a removed and stored soul (I called it essence, but hey...) in order to protect one's immortality. Close enough for me to give myself, say, 20 points.

I know I was probably right on some other things, but since I can't recall them, they were most likely not biggies.

Ciao. Barb

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Hermionefan(#1) - Jul 20, 2005 4:22 pm (#65 of 104)

missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Tim...SPEW

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I Am Used Vlad - Jul 20, 2005 6:22 pm (#66 of 104)

I Am Almighty!
I Am Used Vlad - Oct 16, 2004 7:16 pm (#714 of 1103) Draco was the first classmate that Harry met. JKR made a point to set up his rivalry with Harry early in the series. His father is a prominent Death Eater whose incarceration he blames on Harry. I think Draco will play an important role in the last two books, although I'll admit that, as of OotP, he isn't playing "with the big kids" the way Harry is.

Other than 'ships and a fairly obvious death, that's about as close as I came to a successful prediction. Many people thought Draco would fade into the background, and I did not.

When Draco's grandfather was mentioned right after Harry first read from the Potions book, I thought I had hit it big time, but it turned out not to be the case.

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Hexenhammer - Jul 20, 2005 10:05 pm (#67 of 104)

About the only prediction I’m pleased about is Draco. After book 5 Draco had to do something or become a secondary or tertiary character like the Creevey brothers. Getting Death Eaters into the school I can see but trying to kill Dumbledore was beyond the pale.

I was wrong on when Hagrid would die. I thought he would die trying to save Dumbledore because in SS/PS Dumbledore said Hagrid would die for him.

-Hexenhammer

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Mrs. Sirius - Jul 20, 2005 11:12 pm (#68 of 104)

Mom of 4 in serious lurker mode.
Godric's Hollow! I have gone on and on about the place. I knew the series couldn't end with going there. Where it's the magic of the place or actual physical clues.

And of course Ginny. (had that relation sighted since book one, with no canon evidence) My reason for H/G were as David Ogden stated earlier "family". Harry needs a family. I had the timing off. I thought we'd go the Godric's Hallow in book 6 and he'd get together for a limited time with Ginny in at the end of 6 or in book Seven. I also figured Cho would be a none issue after book 5. I have been a big R/H shipper too.

I don't remember who or in what thread but someone had Tonks coupled with Lupin which I found interesting.

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Moo4Freedom - Jul 21, 2005 5:49 am (#69 of 104)

Well, I can't provide a URL for proof. I never wrote it down. However I had been thinking that with the war Snape would finally be moved over to DADA as he would be able to teach the children the most useful things. Plus the death and ships, but everyone knew those.

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Frank Boisvert - Jul 21, 2005 9:27 am (#70 of 104)

"I knew it was Snape who overheard the Prophesy!!!!!!! And I knew DD would be the one to die. But I think we all knew THAT one..."

I didn't know that. i thought he would sacrifice his life for harry in book 7. i was seriously suprised when i read snape attack DD. i had to read it like 3 times just to make sure.

but, i am convinced that snape and DD were on the level.. they knew what had to be done. for what reason, we'll find out in book 7.

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Puck - Jul 21, 2005 10:38 am (#71 of 104)

Mommy, Queen of Everything
So, who had Harry for Quidditch captain? I was leaning that way.

I also thought Harry would shock Snape and pull of an O on his OWL.

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Dr Filibuster - Jul 21, 2005 3:30 pm (#72 of 104)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
I can't gloat too much, but I was beaming as I read Lexicon Forummers' theories proved correct time and time again. I also said "ahhh, shame" for the ones proved wrong.

I think I was better at guessing things within the book itself: better than previous books anyway. I took my time and savoured this one. I even wrote notes as I went through...geeky I know, but this was my penultimate first read of a Harry Potter novel and I didn't want to rush.

You wanted proof of gloating, so here's a couple I found after a mega-quick search;

1. 'ship thread from 30th Aug 2003. POST NUMBER ONE, that's NUMBER ONE (LOL) Lupin & Tonks and why the age gap didn't matter, it reminds me of Jane Austen. I (and many others) thought this was so obvious and am amazed to read the JKR interviewers on TLC express suprise.

2. Draco Malfoy thread Jan 21st 2005: Rambling thoughts on Draco being given a dangerous task by Voldemort, expecting him to fail. All to punish Lucius.

During the search I read that I had "felt it in my water" that the DADA teacher would be another woman but I liked the idea that it would be Snape if he changed subjects.

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Madam Pince - Jul 21, 2005 4:04 pm (#73 of 104)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Sue, I remember reading that a lot of people were predicting Lupin/Tonks, but I honestly didn't see anything in the books to indicate it -- granted, I didn't look very hard. So, good on ya for finding that one!

In one of JKR's interviews, she says something about "Emma" by Jane Austen being one of the best plot twists ever in literature. I am ashamed to say that I've never read it, although it has been on my bedside bookshelf for over a year now, just waiting for me to read it to try to decant clues out of it. (I've been distracted reading such things as "The Cat in the Hat" etc.) What is the twist in "Emma," since you mention Jane Austen? Is it an age-difference thing?

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Rod Beecham - Jul 21, 2005 4:50 pm (#74 of 104)

Madam Pince, the plot twist in Emma - don't read on if you want to be surprised! - is that the heroine suddenly realizes, right at the end, that the man she should marry is the family friend with whom she has been on good terms and who has been a prominent character from the beginning of the story.

Mrs Sirius, you are very wise about Godric's Hollow. I, on the contrary, have been very thick! It only hit me this morning: "the end of all our journeying will be to arrive where we started and know the place for the first time."

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Hermionefan(#1) - Jul 21, 2005 5:14 pm (#75 of 104)

missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Oh, I rememer one I had thought about only vaguely, but I promise I did predict it, but I was pretty sure that Harry would still be doing potions with Snape. I didn't think Snape would just drop away as a teacher. Of course, Snape ended up doing DADA, but I was kind of right!

I never predicted the whole Ron/Lavender thing, but I had read a fanfic somewhere where they were engaged. Definitely not.

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Madam Pince - Jul 21, 2005 6:31 pm (#76 of 104)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Thanks, Rod. That sounds very familiar to me as a movie that I saw (of a Jane Austen novel,) but I was thinking it was something other than "Emma." Anyway, that explains a good deal. It isn't an age-difference thing, but it still sort of fits Tonks/Lupin. Come to think of it, it fits Harry/Ginny and Ron/Hermione, too. Maybe that was JKR's nod to Jane Austen...

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Circe - Jul 21, 2005 8:40 pm (#77 of 104)

I am just so happy to see Harry and Ginny paired up, I had really been guessing they would. She is so reminicent of Harry's mum, that its quite clear why it happened. Also, Harry would want to disassociate himself from the Muggle world, and in light of his own powers, he would likewise need to be paired off with a a powerful witch. After all, isn't Ginny the first girl to be born in her clan for generations? And I bet Lily was the first witch in her family for generations as well.

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Luanee - Jul 23, 2005 12:52 am (#78 of 104)

Well I didn't really figure it out, but I remembered asking what would have happened if Tom Riddle in CoS didn't die? Would there be 2 Voldemorts ? Now we know why...

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ruthlesspenguin - Jul 23, 2005 6:39 pm (#79 of 104)

Recently returned from a rather lengthy forum break involving exams, travel and of course a great deal of rereading...
I think I can claim to have come pretty close to some of the things Dumbledore reveals about prophecies in the Horcruxes chapter in a couple of posts I made on the 'Assumptions we have been making about the rest of the series' Thread.

Post 178 The assumption I have noticed recently is that there is some way in the wizarding world to distinguish between genuine prophecies that will come true and mad women speaking in wierd voices.

Post 182 Ah yes, but how does the ministry know which ones are real prophecies? Most people seem to assume they are real prophecies, and then try to explain how they got there; perhaps some sort of signal goes off when a connection to the 'other world' where prophecies come from is made or perhaps witches and wizards can somehow tell if a real prophecy is made and report it. However, perhaps no-one knows what identifies a real prophecy. The DoM could be in the middle of a extensive study into prophecies, trying to determine the indicators of a true prophecy, and as such, the 'prophecies' they hold could be no more than a sample of people speaking in spooky voices.

Of course as for everything else in the book I was pretty much dead wrong. Still its nice to have got something right.

<(')

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Mrs. Sirius - Jul 23, 2005 11:36 pm (#80 of 104)

Mom of 4 in serious lurker mode.
One other prediction, not exactly prediction but...

On Spinner's End, I didn't think it was at all related to Godric's Hollow. I said the name "Spinner's End" sound dubious and ignoble.

"On the Spinners End connection, I don't know exactly why, but my first impression is that Godric's Hallow is not at Spinner's End. The connotation of the name "Spinner's" is less than noble or stong, or completely truthful. The dictionary defines spinner this way: 1. One that spins: a spinner of flax; a spinner of tall tales. 2. A fishing lure that rotates rapidly. 3. A fairing fitted over the hub of the propeller in some aircraft. 4. Games. A device consisting of a dial and an arrow that is spun to indicate the next move in some board games...... Godric hollow thread June 8, 2005

Well, what tales he has been weaving!

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Ponine - Jul 24, 2005 4:58 am (#81 of 104)

I reject your reality and substitute my own!
Ponine Draco thread, March 02,2005, post 932 I think that Draco will prove himself to be a tad more complex than he initially appears. After all - what choice did Draco have, growing up Malfoy? He has been born and raised to be a cocky supremacist, all while never being good enough for daddy. That combination makes for interesting teenagers. I think he is mouthy, negligent, and cruel, but more in a teenager/ignorant sort of way. I do not think he has a real concept of danger and pain, particularly as he comes from a long line of people who has not lived in fear (at least the obvious kind)...

Ponine - Snape thread Jul 3, 2004 5:37 pm (#1252 of 2956) ...It would make sense to me if Snape was indeed the 'half blood prince'...

Ponine - 'Ship-'Ship (Exploring Relationships) #753 - Mar 10, 2005 02:49 pm I too firmly believe that Ron and Hermione is just a matter of time, and I wish them all the best Smile As far as Harry is concerned, I really do not care too much one way or the other. He is only a teen, and could have dozens of flings. I personally would like to see him with Ginny - a headstrong, clever girl - with a flair for Quidditch!..

Ponine - Snape thread - Jun 6, 2005 7:32 pm (#1902 of 2092) ... I started thinking that in order for Lily to be able to sacrifice her life to him, she would have HAD to have a choice in the matter, so to speak, otherwise, it would not really have been a sacrifice - at least I perceive a sacrifice to be something you have to give, it can't be taken...Then, I started thinking, what possibly could have possessed LV to spare her life? And then I thought - hm - some people do afterall, firmly believe that Snape was present that night.... I think Severus, more than anyone else, could have been in a position to bargain, or influence or persuade LV to let her go, for various reasons. Whether it was to give her a fighting chance, to give her the alternative of sacrificing herself, because he loved her (these are farfetched, I know) because he wanted to even the score with at least one Potter (kind of like this one) - Tripe, anyone?

Probably not as original as I would have hoped, but I still like to think that I saw some of it coming - of course, this last one is still up for discussion, but I think it will be something for future gloating...

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Veritaserum - Jul 26, 2005 12:54 pm (#82 of 104)

Go Jays!
Well, I didn't make a whole lot of predictions, and I didn't really post any on here, but I was right about a few minor things.

I got Ron/Hermione, Harry/Ginny, and Bill/Fleur (not that that was a mystery). Snape was on my list as HBP, but my first choice was Dumbledore. I was right that the HBP wasn't a real prince and that it wasn't a good guy! Yay for nonconformity!

After seeing Katie Bell get tortured by Peeves in OOP, I predicted her death, and she ended up getting cursed. I knew Vanishing was going to be important, I was wrong about how.

I have to say that I really enjoyed seeing all the things JKR seemed to pull out of left field, that nobody saw coming. Rufus Scrimgeour? And that first chapter! It was almost unanimous that we would be visiting the past in some context.

And I was right that the basin on the front cover, or the goblet on the back of the UK cover were not pensieves.

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Rod Beecham - Jul 26, 2005 2:36 pm (#83 of 104)

Mrs Sirius (Post #80), may I be immodest enough to ask you to read my post (#112) on the "Book Six Specific Discussions Folder - Titles May Be Spoilers!" thread?

The name "Spinner's End" is what started me on my new train of thought about Snape - he seems to be reaching the point where his mysteries and ambiguities are no longer tenable. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

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Kevin Corbett - Jul 26, 2005 9:42 pm (#84 of 104)

I don't believe I got anything right, though, in my defense, I didn't make a whole lot of predictions.

I thought there would be a new character for DADA, I thought I was right about exactly until Dumbledore said Slughorn would be the new Potions Master (I thought Snape was merely going to be victorious about giving Harry a hard time, as usual, when I saw the chapter title)

I really did think Mark Evans would be the Half-Blood Prince untill JKR squashed him like a bug---but I was hoping she would make a sort of winking reference to him, maybe, just to reinforce her "my bad" on the website...something like Harry saying to himself, "Hey, I wonder if I'm related to that Mark Evans...but nah, he's not really anybody, is he?"). After that, I thought maybe it would be Griffindor or Griffindor's heir or something like that...I must admit, part of me wanted to find the Arthurian legend mixed in there somewhere, which didn't seem impossible for the HP world---if Merlin was real, certainly Arthur could be as well. I thought that little paragraph we got as a teaser from the website, the one describing a man with "rangey, looping grace" would be about the HBP and the new DADA teacher, but it ended up being Scrimgeour, of course.

As for the so-called "'shipping" (I've said before that I loathe the word), I really didn't give it any thought. I was somewhat surprized that Harry was so hung up on Ron's approval, because I recalled Ron saying something like "you can do better than Michael Corner" and giving Harry a furtive glance, but I guess Harry was a bit too dense to get what Ron was doing there, or maybe too distracted. Hermione and Ron has been painfully obvious since GoF, and they were well on there way even in PoA.

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vball man - Jul 28, 2005 4:26 pm (#85 of 104)

He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
Well, I'm back from Venezuela. We left on that trip at 12:30 July 16. Just 30 minutes after I snatched the first HBP in my hometown. So I read the book in a couple days, but have been unable to post.

This thread is called "I Gotta Gloat!" But, unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to gloat.

RBL is officially wrong.
Components of RBL:
Tom was cursed by Grindelwald as an infant It seems that this did not happen.
Dumbledore, as the Strongest Wizard, was involved with Tom's placement in the orphanage. No. Dumbledore's first encounter with Tom was when he was assigned to go invite him to Hogwarts. Dumbledore is quite clear that this is his first meeting with Tom.
Dumbledore, as the Strongest Wizard, will wait to die until Harry has chosen good. No.
The immortality of a Dark Wizard stays with him through his defeat. He is turned into a dementor. So he retains his immortality, but looses his powers. This is not true. Not because Fudge says that the Dementors are breeding. That is doubtful information. The reason is what Dumbledore says about defeating Voldemort. After the horcruxes are destroyed, Voldemort will become as mortal as any wizard. Thus, he will die. Becoming a dementor does not seem to be in his future.

So, sadly, Recurring Boy Who Lived theory is not where JKR is going. I cannot gloat.

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Susurro Notities - Jul 28, 2005 6:50 pm (#86 of 104)

Oh No - vball you were right on at least one point.

If Dumbledore is indeed dead - he waited until Harry chose good. He is Dumbledore's man!

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Thom Matheson - Jul 28, 2005 7:20 pm (#87 of 104)

Doesn't it seem that all of the hottest predictions we have conjered all seem to come thru in the first 3 chapters? Remember all the hooha about Figg being the DaDa teacher? boy did we miss that one. My only gloat will be that Sirius would bequeth Harry everything including number 12. Our big debate was whether the WW had wills and trusts and such.

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Susurro Notities - Jul 28, 2005 7:31 pm (#88 of 104)

Does Dumbledore have a will? Does he leave his pensive, silver instruments, putter outer, watch... to someone?

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Mrs. Sirius - Jul 28, 2005 10:07 pm (#89 of 104)

Mom of 4 in serious lurker mode.
Mrs Sirius (Post #80), may I be immodest enough to ask you to read my post (#112) on the "Book Six Specific Discussions Folder - Titles May Be Spoilers!" thread?

The name "Spinner's End" is what started me on my new train of thought about Snape - he seems to be reaching the point where his mysteries and ambiguities are no longer tenable. I'd be interested in your thoughts.

I've been following this discussion with great interest. As you know, I favour the "Snape is okay, he and Dumbledore were colluding for the greater good" view.

However, I think the idea of Snape being out for himself is worth exploring. We have assumed that there are only two sides: good (Dumbledore) and evil (Voldemort). Snape is the only character, apart from Tom Riddle, who gave himself a grandiose title while still a schoolboy. The double agent role allows him to observe both sides intimately. Though not temperamentally a patient man he is capable of exercising great patience and self-control (Potions is an art requiring great pateince and attention to detail). He knows/knew, I think, that Dumbledore and Voldemort are more powerful wizards than he is. Might he not be waiting for both to be destroyed (and if Harry is the one to destroy Voldemort it would explain why Snape protects him while hating him) so that the era of the Half-blood Prince may begin?

That certainly is a possibility. I think whatever else we say about Snape he is a very complex character. I have a healthy respect of "Snapes" and like to give them a wide berth to operate in. I still hope against hope that Snape is "good" or that he will ultimately be forced to act for "good" as in SS when he did the counter curse against Quirrell. Whatever camp he ends up, I don't think it will be as simple as "he actually is good but had to keep his cover". Ms. Rowling will have some more double crosse and double-double crosses in there somehow.

Sirius Black is the character that I love the most and it is because he is so un-Snape-ish. Sirius is passionate, loyal and open. You never have to second guess his intentions. Snape is all slipper ground, oh, but he is fascinating.

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wombat witch - Jul 29, 2005 5:05 am (#90 of 104)

I too toyed with Tonks/Lupin and loved that she was so fiercly loyal to him throughout, even though it broke her heart! I love the age difference and Molly's comment at the end. Everyone could see Bill/Fleur I suppose as well as Ron/Hermione (and to the H/H hopefuls... what planet are you on???) and Ginny/Harry was simply delicious from his first moment of realisation to that fantastic kiss! (& I loved the conversation about the 'tatoos') Had almost started to assume that DD would die as I was convinced he was the 'Obi-1' character to Harry's 'Luke', but still gasped out loud (& broke my heart!) when it happened!!! Had toyed with Snape being the HBP but wasn't convinced - he didn't make my 'short list' so - nah, can't count that one! Hey I like a thread where we don't try to give ourselves a headache working out what's going to happen next!! We did it already!

Snaps to all of us! :-)

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jul 30, 2005 4:38 am (#91 of 104)

My BIG gloat is to do with the prophecy. I argued on the prophecy thread that it was self-fulfilling. That Voldemort choosing to act gave it power, and that Voldemort's choice had to do with Harry surviving and being able to do what he does. I was right.
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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 30, 2005 4:16 pm (#92 of 104)

I got one partially correct. I thought Voldemort would use Draco to get into Hogwarts. I thought it would be to attack Harry not Dumbledore. Draco has matured from Nibbler to Eater. How sad.

vball man welcome back, I'm looking forward to your next theory. LPO

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Puck - Jul 31, 2005 9:12 am (#93 of 104)

Mommy, Queen of Everything
OOH, Hadn't thought of Snape trying to get rid of both of them so HE could be the new Dark Prince. Interesting thought. Harry, of course, would be the new poweful good guy. Of course, I doubt this plan will work because I would be very surprised if Snape survives book 7 (sorry, Gina)>

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Rod Beecham - Jul 31, 2005 2:27 pm (#94 of 104)

This is what you might call a retrospective prediction (!?).

I'm in the "Snape-loved-Lily" camp, and the jury's still out on that one. But in HBP we have learned from Slughorn that Lily excelled at Potions.

So did/does Snape. Hmmm. Snape admires nothing more than ability. Was Lily's talent the spur for his own performance in Potions? Were they academic rivals (that would add the right element of tension to their relationship)? Is Snape still haunted by the vision of those beautiful green eyes gleaming across a vapour-clouded dungeon . . ?

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Jeremy Tuttle - Jul 31, 2005 11:07 pm (#95 of 104)

Well, half of my "Harry's Freind" theory is now struck down, that is, Hermione is obviously a real teenager, not an adult witch in disguise. This despite the fact that once again, she sees little of her parents.

That said, there is nothing I've seen in HBP that disproves the first half of my theory, that Hermione is an undercover agent working for Dumbledore. I point out that, of the trio, it's Hermione who's most aware of Dumbledore's absences from Hogwarts.

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Kevin Corbett - Jul 31, 2005 11:14 pm (#96 of 104)

I'd have to agree about Snape---good or evil, I don't see him making it out of book 7 alive.

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hells456 - Aug 1, 2005 2:13 am (#97 of 104)

I was partly right on the locket/horcrux thing. (A summing up post because I don't know where I posted it first). I thought Voldemort had removed his soul and put it in the locket at 12GP, although I didn't realise it was permanent or split into seven.

I was shouting at Dumbledore that he had the wrong locket as soon as I realised what was in the basin.

Hells

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Aqualu Nifey - Aug 2, 2005 11:41 am (#98 of 104)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
Whoa, Hells, that's creepy! I wouldn't have imagined that anyone else could think of someone purposely ripping their soul out.

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Steve Newton - Aug 5, 2005 8:37 am (#99 of 104)

Librarian
Well, I sometimes post a lot and don't keep track. I was a semi Harry/Hermione shipper. Strike one. I was sure that the DA would continue. Strike 2. I was sure that Dumbledore had to either die or be gotten out of the way. I wasn't sure which book this would happen in. 1 for the home team.

I'm sure I had other predictions, but, that is all that I can remember right now.

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Gina R Snape - Aug 8, 2005 8:17 pm (#100 of 104)

"The world isn't split into good people and death eaters"
No worries, Puck. I'm beginning to wonder about widowhood myself...

I didn't foresee Snape as the half blood prince. But I certainly foresaw that he was NOT a vampire!!!!

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Steve Newton - Aug 9, 2005 6:21 am (#101 of 104)

Librarian
I also mentioned several times that the twins would be doing weapons grade research. Of course, this might have been to my son, not on the forums. I'll take credit anyway.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Aug 17, 2005 4:36 am (#102 of 104)

As I was looking through paperwork about possible clues I had written down from Book 2 for Book 6 one of them was the importance of the diary and the fact that Lucius Malfoy had it. I can't find my post about it, if I did actually post, but I feel rather pleased about that one. But I now have a question that means I have to jump over to the Horcrux thread.

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Troels Forchhammer - Aug 17, 2005 7:19 am (#103 of 104)

It is useless to meet revenge with revenge: it will heal nothing. - Frodo Baggins, /The Return of the King/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
OK, this seems almost too good to be true — I am not only permitted to gloat here, but actually encouraged to do so

Back in May 2003, i.e. before the release of OotP, I wrote

Finally I think that Neville is going to fill in for Harry or cover for him at some point; e.g. by taking a curse that was meant for Harry.
This was put on the web in June 2003 but can now only be found in the archives.

Try reading OotP again — not only was there this possibility that Neville should have filled in for Harry in a greater matter, but Bellatrix used the Cruciatus Curse on Neville instead of Harry just before the Order appeared in the Department of Mysteries.

In the same essay I also made another prediction:
I predict that Harry will be captured by his enemies — probably Death Eaters. He may or may not be kept at Azkaban, but he will in the end be saved by his friends — probably including Dobby.
(Ibid.)

Again the situation in Order would fit well enough, and we still have book 7 to go for an even better match.

See also alt.fan.harry-potter 2003-03-24 and alt.fan.harry-potter 2005-08-04 for more discussion about these analyses of Harry's dreams.

Also, back in May 2003, in the frenzy of speculation and prediction that presaged the release of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, we discussed the nature of the protection Harry had received from Lily:
Was the protection, as Voldemort says in GoF, unwitting on Lily's part? (I suspect yes). What made Lily different from the other mothers that died crouching protectively over a child they loved when Voldemort and/or his Death Eaters came to call? (I suspect that it was because Lily would have been spared otherwise).
(alt.fan.harry-potter 2003-05-22)
Try reading the TLC/MN interview again

OK, moving ahead to after OotP was released and Jo had appeared in Edinburgh for the Book Festival in August 2004. The big issue at that time was of course her two questions: “Why didn’t Voldemort die?” and “why Dumbledore did not kill or try to kill Voldemort in the scene in the ministry”. Speculations ran wild, but here's a summary of my thoughts over the next few months:

The existence of the soul, however, is firmly established, and giving up part of the soul to achieve something could, IMO, be separated from the old idea of trading with the devil.
(alt.fan.harry-potter 2004-08-17)
It might also imply (though the connection seems a bit tenuous) that Voldemort's experiments towards immortality involved changes to his spirit/soul.
(alt.fan.harry-potter 2005-03-20)
Another possibility is that Voldemort has externalised part of his power, like the Ogre of the folk tale, who can only be destroyed by destroying his heart which is in an iron chest somewhere, or like Sauron who put a great part of his power in the One Ring.
(alt.fan.harry-potter 2005-03-29)

So when I read a reference to that folk-tale about the giant (not ogre, I misremembered) who had no heart in his chest in a reference about ‘The External Soul in Folk-Tales’ I was obviously thrilled — in particular when the subject was summarised as ‘Accordingly, in such circumstances, primitive man takes his soul out of his body and deposits it for security in some snug spot, intending to replace it in his body when the danger is past. Or if he should discover some place of absolute security, he may be content to leave his soul there permanently. The advantage of this is that, so long as the soul remains unharmed in the place where he has deposited it, the man himself is immortal; nothing can kill his body, since his life is not in it.’ All this from The Golden Bough by Sir James George Frazer [1922], chapter 66 The External Soul in Folk-Tales

OK, that has to be enough boasting for one day — even for me

Regards,
Troels

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imprint of a departed soul - Aug 20, 2005 4:41 am (#104 of 104)

I was right about;

Goyle failing his O.W.Ls

Marietta having her spots

Harry bumping into Malfoy before the start of term

Draco's Detour involving a trip down knockturn alley

Harry spending the holidays with the Weasleys

Dumbledore dying
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