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Predictions for Book Seven (Post 1201 to 1250)

Post  Elanor on Wed May 18, 2011 9:53 am

me and my shadow 813 - Jan 23, 2007 5:11 pm (#1201 of 1652)
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xray, the Horcrux thread is under Magical Items, Spells & Potions.

It appears to me that after the soul is split, the fragment is then encased in an object.

Absolutely, I agree that Sluggy’s quote could be interpretted in the manner you do.

How can you have a horcrux without a soul fragment to place in it? The AK spell did not kill Harry and it did not kill himself. He was in effect vaporized, but not dead. So where could the soul fragment have come from? James' death? Lily's death? Which one? Wouldn't this ruin the horcrux? If only a pre-spell and the killing spell were required, wouldn't James' death have made the final horcrux, assuming that there is no final part to complete the horcrux?

It’s been theorised that we do not know how much time passed between Lily’s death and the Harry-rebounded-AK (as specifically left vague by JKR in film of PS). It is quite possible that after killing James and Lily, Vold then prepared (cast the spell) for the GG Sword to be the final horcrux with Harry’s death. This plan was not successful due to the rebounding, and the fragment of soul meant for the Sword entered Harry instead. I feel the theory is based more on the emphasis given to lines in CoS (“Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?”, Harry said, thunderstruck is my personal favourite) and various other clues about Vold being inside of Harry’s head, the connection, etc., and less to do with the unknown mechanics of how horcrux magic works.

As an aside, I am now wondering if we have seen GG Sword prior to it appearing in the (GG’s) Sorting Hat in the Chamber? Seems somehow very important that Harry retrieved it from the Hat if (speculating) it was intended to be the final horcrux and was last seen at Godric’s Hollow. Is my brain malfunctioning or can anyone recall it being in DD’s office prior to the end of CoS?

Edit: I'm going to copy this to Horcrux thread just to make things proper...

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xray - Jan 23, 2007 6:35 pm (#1202 of 1652)

Hermione will work in Fred & George's Joke Shop after Hogwarts
xray, the Horcrux thread is under Magical Items, Spells & Potions. - me and my shadow813

Thanks! I must have been blind. Heading over there to continue this.

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journeymom - Jan 26, 2007 7:18 pm (#1203 of 1652)

I predict it will be revealed that another character used an anagram to create a name.

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MickeyCee3948 - Jan 28, 2007 9:20 pm (#1204 of 1652)

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After rereading some of JKR's interviews last year. I started reading the series all over. Just finished SS for the 9th or 10th time. JKR said in one of her interviews that the early books had several major clues as to what would transpire in book 7.

I am interested if anyone else wonders why Harry doesn't find the Mirror of Erised again with the desire to see where the Horcrux'es might be. If he comes to the realization of what they are then maybe as Dumbledore said "Someone who really wants to find an item but not to use it would be able to get it". He could even find Voldemort by the same reasoning couldn't he? Does this make sense or have I come down with a case of Potter Fever.

Mickey

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me and my shadow 813 - Jan 28, 2007 10:37 pm (#1205 of 1652)

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I am interested if anyone else wonders why Harry doesn't find the Mirror of Erised again with the desire to see where the Horcrux'es might be. - MickeyCee

I'm wondering now, too, Mickey.

Here's Mirror of Erised info from the Lex:

"Men have wasted away before it, entranced by what they have seen, or been driven mad, not knowing if what it shows is real or even possible." (PS12)

Dumbledore used the power of the Mirror to protect the Philosopher's Stone:

"It was one of my more brilliant ideas, and between you and me, that's saying something. You see, only one who wanted to find the Stone --find it, but not use it-- would be able to get it, otherwise they'd just see themselves making gold or drinking Elixir of Life. My brain surprises even me sometimes..." (PS17)

Harry, who wanted only to find the Stone when he looked into the Mirror, suddenly found it in his pocket (PS17)

I believe you might have stumbled onto something (and yes, we're all delirious with Potter Fever).

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journeymom - Jan 29, 2007 12:37 am (#1206 of 1652)

I like this idea, too, a lot. Pretty clever. But Dumbledore says "It was one of my more brilliant ideas", referring to the idea to protect or... hide or whatever, the stone. That means he did something above and beyond whatever the Mirror already does by itself.

In order to fit your idea, me and my, the whereabouts of the horcruxes wouldn't just show up in the Mirror, not unless Dd somehow programmed (charmed) the Mirror to do so. Which he may have done.

And this is making me think more about Dumbledore's personal style of magic. The protective charm Dd put on Harry seemed to be added onto whatever protection Lily conferred. He used the existing structure of Lily's magic to build another charm.

Perhaps he did the same thing with the Mirror in PS. He built another charm based upon the existing magic of the Mirror.

Ah well, it's late.

I predict DH will sell like hot cakes.

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Luna Logic - Jan 29, 2007 6:01 am (#1207 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
journeymom : "I predict it will be revealed that another character used an anagram to create a name.

are you thinking of Emmeline Vance ? (good luck...)

now for my own predictions... I predict we are to learn more about Mrs. Figg and Mrs. Cole (anagrams there ?)

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Steve Newton - Jan 29, 2007 8:49 am (#1208 of 1652)

Librarian
Name anagram Irma Pince = I am Prince

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journeymom - Jan 29, 2007 9:58 am (#1209 of 1652)

That's the one, Steve. If I could ask JKR one question, that would be it. Any more people with anagrams for names in DH?

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TheSaint - Jan 29, 2007 2:15 pm (#1210 of 1652)

journeymom : "I predict it will be revealed that another character used an anagram to create a name.

are you thinking of Emmeline Vance ? (good luck...)

How about:

'Evil men menace'

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Luna Logic - Jan 29, 2007 2:59 pm (#1211 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
Edited by Jan 29, 2007 2:02 pm
The Saint,

Well done ! I gave up after one minute trying !

What about editing your post in the Emmeline Vance thread, waiting for some thoughts there... (serious or not)

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journeymom - Jan 29, 2007 3:50 pm (#1212 of 1652)

Nope, I'd bet a galleon that Irma Pince is Eileen Prince.

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Thom Matheson - Jan 29, 2007 5:07 pm (#1213 of 1652)

Not very confident. I say no and I'm all in.

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Chemyst - Jan 31, 2007 5:47 am (#1214 of 1652)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
TheSaint, You got me going with that!
MENACE EVIL MEN • MENACE VEIL MEN • MENACE VILE MEN • MENACE LIVE MEN

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Esther Rose - Jan 31, 2007 7:47 am (#1215 of 1652)

We will find out that Lily used transfigured her son into a mirror on the night in question.

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juliebug - Jan 31, 2007 8:46 am (#1216 of 1652)

Maybe she just used the old he's rubber and you're glue charm

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deletedaccount - Feb 1, 2007 6:06 am (#1217 of 1652)

They just announced on the news that book 7 will be out midnight July 21, 2007. Yes!

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journeymom - Feb 1, 2007 9:52 am (#1218 of 1652)

Juliebug, lol! "Bounces of me and sticks to you!" taunted Harry.

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Esther Rose - Feb 5, 2007 9:07 am (#1219 of 1652)

Or she used the speculum ponderus or speculum imagus charm.

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me and my shadow 813 - Feb 5, 2007 4:52 pm (#1220 of 1652)

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I'm feeling more and more like Vold will be finished off by a Dementor's Kiss. The soul-sucking soldiers might turn on him in the end. DD's comments *worse things than death/physical pain* and *Voldemort secretly hates the body* from Cave chapter seem to be saying something about Vold being - rather than a soul fragment without a body, he'll be a body without a soul - a shell. Then maybe the inferi will take the empty body into the lake... hm.

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journeymom - Feb 8, 2007 11:06 pm (#1221 of 1652)

I like it! It would be a just end to Voldemort. Soul-sucking soldiers, nice alliteration.

I predict Snape's patronus is a augury, and it looks suspiciously like Gram Longbottom's hat.

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Thom Matheson - Feb 9, 2007 7:36 am (#1222 of 1652)

Ok so what is an Augury? I looked up the word and came back with either a band or the ability to fortell the future.

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wynnleaf - Feb 9, 2007 8:01 am (#1223 of 1652)

Yes, but did you look it up on the Lexicon?

Augurey (Irish Phoenix) more info in Fantastic Beasts

Thin and mournful-looking bird somewhat resembling a vulture, greenish-black in color, native to Britain and Ireland. Normally remaining hidden in its nest in brambles and thorns, flying only in heavy rain, the feathers of the Augurey repel ink. Its distinctive cry was once thought to be a death omen, but it is now known that the Augurey's cry foretells rain. The Augurey eats insects and fairies.

A phoenix that's greenish black and looks sort of like a vulture. Perfect.

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Thom Matheson - Feb 9, 2007 8:35 am (#1224 of 1652)

No but then I didn't spell it correctly either. There you go. Garbage in garbage out.

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Madam Pince - Feb 14, 2007 11:52 pm (#1225 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I haven't read all the posts in this thread, so forgive me if this has been mentioned, but for some reason tonight it just struck me in the head as I was browsing OotP. (Yes, I have a lightning intellect -- one bright flash and then it's gone...)

I think the theme of simply asking for help is going to figure hugely in DH. I know there have been several mentions of this in the books, although I can only think of four offhand without doing some serious research -- first, in CoS, when Dumbledore directly tells them that anyone asking for help at Hogwarts will find it, and then Harry whispers "Help me!" in the Chamber and poof! the Sorting Hat just pops out Godric's sword. Then in in PoA, when Hermione is desperate about how they are going to get into the Whomping Willow and she just mutters "Oh help!" and suddenly Crookshanks leaps to the rescue. Then in OotP, when Harry can't find the correct door at the DOM to get out of the circular room when he's trying to follow Bellatrix, and he finally just says "Show me the way out!" (paraphrasing), and voila, there's the exit.

Sometimes it's the simple solution that garners the best results. Hope Harry figures that out in time! JUST ASK, DUMMY!

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Laura W - Feb 15, 2007 1:57 am (#1226 of 1652)

I think you are right about this, Madam Pince. Asking out loud for help and getting it just occurs too often in the six books for it not to mean anything. And you forgot about the Room of Requirement. Just ask for a bathroom or a hiding place or a room to hold illicit DADA classes in ... and voila!

Laura

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Phelim Mcintyre - Feb 15, 2007 2:03 am (#1227 of 1652)

It is my hope that Voldemort's half status will be exposed and, after the horcruxes have been destroyed, the Death Eaters will turn on their Dark Lord - that Bella will actually kill Voldemort.

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haymoni - Feb 15, 2007 7:06 am (#1228 of 1652)

Asking for help is a problem for Harry.

Actually, asking for ANYTHING is a problem for Harry - thank you to the Dursleys!

He's going to have to get over that.

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Madam Pince - Feb 15, 2007 8:30 am (#1229 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Oops, yes you're right Laura! I thought of the ROR during my "lightning flash" but then I forgot to put it in my post!

Harry has to do a lot of growing and learning, and one of the big lessons is going to have to be as haymoni said -- getting over the "independence" thing. JKR has already touched on this a little bit in OotP when Harry was realizing that he'd gotten help from his buddies in almost all of his adventures, but then he drifted off defensively into "But I finished it off all by myself!"

It sort of ties into the whole "Hogwarts needing to be united" theme, too -- help from all four houses, etc.

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Soul Search - Feb 15, 2007 9:23 am (#1230 of 1652)

Madam Pince,

Okay, I can go along with the "asking for help" prediction, but I don't quite understand where the help came from or where it might come from in the future. In the examples, help came from some mysterious source or Fawkes, the Hat, or Crookshanks (hard to tell which,) but where will help come from in Deathly Hallows?

Is there some mysterious guardian helping Harry whenever he asks?

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Thom Matheson - Feb 15, 2007 9:25 am (#1231 of 1652)

House Elves?

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MickeyCee3948 - Feb 15, 2007 9:28 am (#1232 of 1652)

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It could come from the other houses at Hogwarts(unity issue). It could come from the ministry (if they straighten up and fly right). It could come from any number of other sources. We expect that the DA and Order will already be there to help Harry. It could also come from the house elves as Thom suggests, from the creatures in the Hogwarts forest. Theres lots of possibilities.

Mickey

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Madam Pince - Feb 15, 2007 10:35 am (#1233 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Is there some mysterious guardian helping Harry whenever he asks?

Perhaps Dumbledore in some other form?

Perhaps the spirits of the Hogwarts Founders? I keep thinking they are going to figure into the finale somehow...

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lobelia - Feb 15, 2007 10:40 am (#1234 of 1652)

Moody expected Harry to ask Neville for help with the second task also. When Harry did not he talked to McGonnagall in front of Dobby.

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journeymom - Feb 15, 2007 11:51 am (#1235 of 1652)

Micky, agreed. Help will come from all corners.

WARNING: Snape supporter. Harry hates and doesn't trust Snape. He'll have to get over it and ask Snape for help. Or, like with Fawkes and Crookshanks, he'll simply ask for help and coincidentally help will come in the form of Snape.

Stop that! I can hear you rolling your eyes!

And Madam Pince, great theory.

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Madam Pince - Feb 15, 2007 11:55 am (#1236 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
LOL, journeymom! Excellent point, though. In OotP, it never even occurred to Harry to ask Snape for help during the crisis of thinking Sirius was captured by Voldemort, even though he knew that Snape was a member of the Order. Had he asked for that help, Sirius might have lived. Interesting, though, that instead of kicking himself for that error (well, he did very briefly, I suppose), he immediately turns it around onto Snape and ends up blaming him anyway. Harry has got to get past this and learn to ask for and accept help gracefully.

OK, stop with the eye-rolling already, Snape-haters! You know who you are! LOL!

Edit: Which theory? The one about asking for help, or the one about the spirits of the Hogwarts Founders are the ones giving the help? I'm kind of proud of that second one myself, now that I think on it some more!

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journeymom - Feb 15, 2007 12:19 pm (#1237 of 1652)

Both, then! But your observation about requests for help in critical moments was sharp.

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Thom Matheson - Feb 15, 2007 12:59 pm (#1238 of 1652)

My guilty eyes do not roll. They just twitch a bit. But, my lip just might curl.

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journeymom - Feb 15, 2007 3:14 pm (#1239 of 1652)

Very Snape-like, Thom.

Oh, that was on purpose, wasn't it!

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Feb 15, 2007 4:46 pm (#1240 of 1652)

OK, stop with the eye-rolling already, Snape-haters! You know who you are!

My eyes are rolling so much I can barely read the screen! How on earth can Harry ever ask Snape for help when he witnessed Snape murdering Dumbledore? I don't care if it was Dumbledore's plan and Snape saves the wizarding world by killing Voldemort. There are some orders you do not obey. Snape has always treated Harry horribly. Would you ask someone like that for help? I wouldn't. We expect Harry to get over his hatred but we do not expect Snape to get over his. LPO

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MickeyCee3948 - Feb 15, 2007 9:04 pm (#1241 of 1652)

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Madam Pince & journeymom Let's give credit where credit is due however. When has Snape ever shown Harry that he would be willing to help. Even when ordered by Dumbledore to give Harry lessons, he makes it as hard as possible on Harry. Something really significant is going to have to happen for Harry to EVER have any confidence in what Snape tells him. Especially after the tower scene and the escape of the prince.

Mickey

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xray - Feb 15, 2007 10:08 pm (#1242 of 1652)

Hermione will work in Fred & George's Joke Shop after Hogwarts
Mickey, I think we might see it in the form of a pensieve strand left behind by Dumbledore. Anything less wouldn't be very convincing.

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Madam Pince - Feb 16, 2007 7:43 am (#1243 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
When has Snape ever shown Harry that he would be willing to help. Even when ordered by Dumbledore to give Harry lessons, he makes it as hard as possible on Harry.

For starters, he has demonstrated that he is helping by his actions in OotP when Harry code-tells him that he believes Sirius is being held captive by Voldemort. Dumbledore painstakingly explained to Harry what Snape's actions were and why. Secondly, Snape did in fact try to help Harry by giving the Occlumency lessons -- whether he was nice about it or not is immaterial to me -- the fact is that he did it. Thirdly, Snape stepped in at the Shrieking Shack in PoA when he thought Sirius Black was a killer and had H/R/H cornered.

I guess what it boils down to for me is to look at the very root, the very basics -- did Snape ever act to help/protect Harry? Clearly yes. Whether he was polite and friendly about it or not doesn't change the basic fact of what he actually did. I will not disagree with you that it would be very hard for anyone, particularly a teenager, to see past the nastiness, but I think if Harry would just look at the root of the situation, he would see that Snape's actual actions have been helpful. Again, I see Snape as sort of a "drill-sergeant" figure, so that helps for me. No one would ever accuse a drill sergeant of being nice, but you know they're trying to save your neck.

Of course, most drill-sergeants don't off the base commander, either. So admittedly that is going to be a hard one for Harry to get over. I agree with xray that it's going to take something specific from Dumbledore -- either a pensieve or perhaps a ghost image or a "return from the grave" or whatever...

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wynnleaf - Feb 16, 2007 10:54 am (#1244 of 1652)

I couldn't see Harry asking for help from Snape unless he'd already been convinced via something else (DD pensieve memories or whatever) that Snape was loyal. Even then, how would he even contact Snape to ask anything?

Of course, since I think Snape's loyal, I think he will be of help, but I think it's less likely that Harry will actually ask him for help.

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journeymom - Feb 16, 2007 11:15 am (#1245 of 1652)

" he'll simply ask for help and coincidentally help will come in the form of Snape. " -Me

I responded to Madam Pince's observation that help has come to Harry and Co when asked for, though sometimes the connection between the asking and the help appears to be coincidental. And that's why I included my 'Snape Supporter' disclaimer.

It's up to JKR to provide the 'how'. But I, personally, can imagine Harry literally, symbolically, euphemistically, ecumenically asking for 'Help' in a sticky situation, and help arriving that later turns out to be from Snape. And Snape might not even be aware that his actions have helped Harry.

I suppose he doesn't even have to be a good guy for his actions to inadvertently help Harry. My favorite example: In LOTRs Frodo finally gets the Ring to Mount Doom to destroy it. He can't. He snaps and decides to keep the ring for himself. Gollum wrestles the Ring away from him and in his end zone victory dance he falls off the cliff into the fires of Mount Doom. Gollum accidentally destroys the Ring of Power.

Though this analogy might fit better with Wormtail or Kreacher. Anyway.

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MickeyCee3948 - Feb 16, 2007 2:44 pm (#1246 of 1652)

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I agree with you both that Harry is going to have to ask for help. And it will probably will come from Snape. I am just saying that Harry is going to require a pensieve scene or some other conclusive proof that Snape is on the right side before he will accept or believe that the help Snape offers is in his best interest.

I can see Snape offering help and Harry refusing to accept it. Then Snape will have his neck so far out that it get chopped off. Then Harry would realize that Snape's offer was sincere and that his (Harrys)refusal to accept Snape word resulted in the death of at least Snape and perhaps others. That would be extremely hard on Harry.

Mickey

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Thom Matheson - Feb 16, 2007 3:01 pm (#1247 of 1652)

I'm with you Mickey. I absolutely think that Severus buys it in the end.


Madam Pince - Feb 16, 2007 7:34 pm (#1248 of 1652) [/b]
The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Me, three (much though it pains me to say it...) I think Mickey Cee's scenario could be the one...

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Feb 17, 2007 7:54 pm (#1249 of 1652)

Madame Pince I understand the drill sargent thing but I don't think it is necessary. Harry has had a great deal of tempering in his life. Only as the Half Blood Prince has Snape taught Harry anything of value. I think Snape will die and hopefully in the process prove his loyalty to Dumbledore. He is not loyal to Harry. LPO

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MickeyCee3948 - Feb 17, 2007 8:30 pm (#1250 of 1652)

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I would love to see Harry put in a position to decide what fate Voldemort is to receive. Then he could turn him over to the dementors for their little kiss.

Since Dumbledore stated there were fates worse than death, I have been wondering what he meant. I just finished rereading PoA where the effects of the kiss are described. It would be just punishment in my mind for Voldemort to have his remaining soul bit sucked out and for him to have to live as a creature described in the book.

Mickey

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Post  Elanor on Wed May 18, 2011 9:54 am

Thom Matheson - Feb 17, 2007 9:48 pm (#1251 of 1652)
I can think of far worse than that, but not here. I wonder, though, if presented with the order to "kiss" Voldemort, would the dementors agree to perform it?

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Nathan Zimmermann - Feb 17, 2007 10:52 pm (#1252 of 1652)

I wonder whether Umbridge will appointed by the Board of Governors of Hogwarts to succeed Dumbledore?

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Liz Mann - Feb 18, 2007 1:51 pm (#1253 of 1652)

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I have a theory about the ending of book seven. You know at Slughorn's Christmas party there was a vampire with his biographer, and the biographer tried to talk Harry into letting him write Harry's biography? Well maybe in the end Harry relents and it turns out that the series is the biography. And the book ends with Harry sitting in the first interview session with the guy, who says, "So, Mr Potter, let's start with how you got that scar."

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Soul Search - Feb 18, 2007 4:23 pm (#1254 of 1652)

Liz Mann, not bad. I like it.

Except, Rita Skeeter does the interviews and writes the books. She has shown she can do a good job. And, of course, she.

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wynnleaf - Feb 19, 2007 9:02 am (#1255 of 1652)

Soul Search, what? Are you suggesting JKR would be Rita? Surely not!

But otherwise, it's an interesting idea.

By the way, I started thinking about all the books I could where the protagonist dies some sort of sacrificial death, or tragic death, in the end of the book. You know, like A Tale of Two Cities. The ones I could recall, the death of the protagonist is the very last thing in the book.

The fact that JKR has said that the last chapter is a sort of epilogue, leads me to believe that she doesn't have Harry die. Can you imagine have the hero die, and then a final chapter on "what happened to everyone else?" Picture A Tale of Two Cities: Sidney Carton dies heroically -- and then, The Epilogue, what happened to everyone else and how they all either lived happily ever after or not.

It just doesn't seem to fit to me. The existence of an epilogue seems to me to make Harry's living more likely than his death.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Feb 19, 2007 9:05 am (#1256 of 1652)

I guess Harry is going to die as too keep him alive with the type of hero worship that would exist when he defeats Voldemort would bee to cruel. Either that or he will become a recluse.

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Wanda - Feb 19, 2007 9:10 am (#1257 of 1652)

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wynnleaf, lucky I just finished reading A Tale of Two Cities yesterday, or you would have spoilt the surprise ending... LOL

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wynnleaf - Feb 19, 2007 9:36 am (#1258 of 1652)

Oh, Wanda! I'm truly glad I didn't! I do hope it doesn't spoil it for anyone else! I guess it's such a commonly read book, as well as a very famous movie classic, not to mention the "it's a far, far better thing I do than I have ever done...." is sooo famous. Well, I'm really sorry, but I was taking for granted that even people that had never read the book would still know the ending. Sort of like knowing the ending of Romeo and Juliet, you know?

Of course, everyone has to learn about it for the first time somehow, and so much better to learn the ending when actually reading the book! Not from somebody casually mentioning it.

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Thom Matheson - Feb 19, 2007 9:49 am (#1259 of 1652)

Romeo and Juliet die? Oh No, I'm crushed!

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Wanda - Feb 19, 2007 10:29 am (#1260 of 1652)

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Thanks wynnleaf... it's weird because I've read loads of classics... I always have my nose in a book. That one must have passed me by.

And Thom... LOL!

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TheSaint - Feb 19, 2007 1:09 pm (#1261 of 1652)

Phelim - I guess Harry is going to die as too keep him alive with the type of hero worship that would exist when he defeats Voldemort would bee to cruel. Either that or he will become a recluse.

Or...he will become the squib he was before Voldemort transferred him powers and marked him as his equal. Then he can return to the muggle world and work for Uncle Vernon (since Dudley will be in prison).

Nah...no one could be that cruel!!!

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journeymom - Feb 19, 2007 3:02 pm (#1262 of 1652)

Becoming a squib would be disappointing, since the wizarding world is so much his world now. But I can imagine that the moment LV is vanquished, Harry's scar disappears and he loses the ability to speak parseltongue.

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MickeyCee3948 - Feb 19, 2007 8:01 pm (#1263 of 1652)

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Okay how about this for an ending. My latest after being shot down 99 times. Harry has destroyed all of the horcruxes and is going after Voldemort and Snape. Snape knowing what charm that Lily used to save Harry. Snape jumps infront of Harry when Voldemort uses his AK. The spell rebounds on Voldemort again and since he has no horcruxes left he is vanquished. Snape dies a heroes death saving Harry, Voldemort is AK history, Harry does not have to cast a unforgiveable curse and realizes that Snape was really a good guy all the time. Even though he acted like a foolish, adolescent git most of the time he was teaching Harry. And Harry and Ginny move into a large oak tree on the land owned by her parents close to the Burrow.

OK, I off to hide under my stove until the dungbombs cease.

Mickey

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Laura W - Feb 20, 2007 1:22 am (#1264 of 1652)

"The fact that JKR has said that the last chapter is a sort of epilogue, leads me to believe that she doesn't have Harry die. Can you imagine have the hero die, and then a final chapter on "what happened to everyone else?"" (wynnleaf)

Yes, I can. As a matter of fact I think that is a distinct possibility. Because of the wonderful job she has done in fleshing out so many of her characters, readers are just as interested in them as in Harry Potter. Naturally, though, I hope you are right about Harry surviving.

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Thom, ... very funny. I was smiling inside yesterday every time I thought about your post.

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Mickey ... "a large oak tree"? (snort) Now, *Luna* and her future husband I could definitely see living in such a residence.

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wynnleaf - Feb 20, 2007 5:57 am (#1265 of 1652)

Can you imagine have the hero die, and then a final chapter on "what happened to everyone else?"" (wynnleaf)

Yes, I can. As a matter of fact I think that is a distinct possibility. Because of the wonderful job she has done in fleshing out so many of her characters, readers are just as interested in them as in Harry Potter. Naturally, though, I hope you are right about Harry surviving. (Laura)

I think you missed my meaning. I didn't mean that if Harry died no one would be much interested in what happened to the other characters. But I was thinking of other books where the protagonist dies dramatically or sacrificially at the end of the book. This is generally used as a very dramatic ending for the book. When I considered books that did that, tacking on an epilogue for those books would have diminished the literary flow of the book and the impact of the protagonist's death.

I didn't say it was impossible to do a good epilogue after such a death for the protagonist, simply that the existence of an epilogue seems to make an earlier chapter of the death of the protagonist less likely.

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Madam Pince - Feb 20, 2007 8:57 am (#1266 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Edited by S.E. Jones Feb 26, 2007 5:30 pm
MickeyCee, but if Snape jumps in front of Voldy's AK and then it rebounds back onto Voldemort because Snape uses the same charm that Lily used to protect Harry, then why would Snape be dead? Wouldn't he just have a lovely lightning-shaped scar on his forehead?

Hey, I actually kind of like that! That could be why the last word will be "scar" -- it'll be Snape's scar!

- Edited to remove a response to a now deleted post. - SE Jones

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Luna Logic - Feb 20, 2007 9:02 am (#1267 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
Thanks Madam Pince, for another of your "good" theories I'm seeing now, after your last idea,a whole new saga coming next: Severus Snape's saga, of course. (Wouldn't he love that?)

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haymoni - Feb 20, 2007 11:08 am (#1268 of 1652)

What charm did Lily use to protect Harry?

I thought it was just her self-less act of dying rather than getting out of the way that protected him.

I could see Snape taking the bullet for Harry, but I think we'll get a glimpse of his "good guy" status before then.

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xray - Feb 20, 2007 11:42 am (#1269 of 1652)

Hermione will work in Fred & George's Joke Shop after Hogwarts
I always thought Lily cast a charm spell of some sort. Nonverbal spells were now expected, not only in Defense Against the Dark Arts, but in Charms and Transfiguration too (HBP, page 217). It's a clue I say, a cluuuueee!

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Soul Search - Feb 20, 2007 12:34 pm (#1270 of 1652)

Dumbledore's description of Lily's sacrifice for Harry does change a bit over the books.

Early, the description mentions Lily performing "ancient magic." Later, it is her self sacrifice that protects Harry.

I have wondered about that self sacrifice of Lily throwing herself in front of Harry. What did she hope to accomplish? Voldemort would have just waited for her body to fall out of the way then cast another AK at Harry. Which he did.

Lily had to have known that her self sacrifice would, indeed, save Harry. She cast the "ancient magic" against a possible need. The magic was sealed only by a mother sacrificing her life for her child. She knew what would happen when she stepped in front of Harry: she would die, but Harry would be protected against Voldemort, her murderer.

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Wanda - Feb 20, 2007 1:09 pm (#1271 of 1652)

Editor
Any mother would stand in front of their child instead of letting them die. I'm not sure she was as clear-headed as you make out... I know I wouldn't be if old Voldy turned up at my house, killed my husband and then turned his wand on me and my child.

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Hollywand - Feb 20, 2007 1:31 pm (#1272 of 1652)

Gryffindor
Mickey, the Harry in an old oak tree set me to thinking of Harry as Hobbit. Now, if you could please suggest a remedy, I would be grateful.... Wink

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Jadelollipop - Feb 21, 2007 5:06 am (#1273 of 1652)

Predictions for Book 7 1. Harry will survive (and eventually marry Ginny) 2. Ron and Hermione will survive and eventually marry each other 3. Neville will survive and become teacher at Hogwarts (Herbology?) 4. Peter Pettigrew will die after saving either Lupin or Harry 5. Lupin will defeat Fenrir 6. Neville will defeat Bellatrix 7. Harry will defeat Voldemort 8. Snape may be the character reprieved 9. Hagrid could be one of the two deaths added 10.The twins survive... Will add more later...

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Madam Pince - Feb 21, 2007 12:33 pm (#1274 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
What charm did Lily use to protect Harry? I thought it was just her self-less act of dying rather than getting out of the way that protected him. -haymoni

I don't know; I was just answering MickeyCee's earlier post where he mentioned a charm by Lily. Personally, I have never yet sorted this one out in my mind -- sometimes I think it sounds like it was a charm, and sometimes I think it was more like the "ancient magic" that was referred to in the Chronicles of Narnia books -- it was just sort of a "cosmic law" or something that kicked in simply by virtue of Lily's actions. It made my head hurt so I decided to quit thinking about it and just wait for Book 7.
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journeymom - Feb 21, 2007 4:10 pm (#1275 of 1652)

Anybody else keeping a list of predictions and questions to be answered in DH? About two weeks ago I started a list of predictions. They fall in two categories, the first I'd bet money on, the second I simply like but wouldn't bet on. Then a list of questions to be answered.

My list of predictions is getting longer all the time. But I'm thinking that maybe I'll post my five favorite predictions here, maybe in the first week of July.

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MickeyCee3948 - Feb 21, 2007 7:03 pm (#1276 of 1652)

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I believe that Lily had to use some kind of charm. She was considered by everyone to be one of the best at charms. I can't believe that in the wizarding world a mother has never sacrificed herself for her child. Yet Harry is the only one who has ever, EVER survived an AK. Sounds like more than just motherly devotion.

Me thinks, its an ancient charm that was activated by her sacrifice. After all this is the predictions thread.

Mickey

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Feb 21, 2007 8:25 pm (#1277 of 1652)

Edited by S.E. Jones Feb 26, 2007 5:34 pm
I have a good friend who always finds out the ending first. With HBP I made the mistake of reading the chapter titles. I dreaded reading the book knowing Dumbledore was going to die. I would rather not know. LPO

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Thom Matheson - Feb 21, 2007 9:56 pm (#1278 of 1652)

I start with the jacket then go to the copyright page and right on til the end, otherwise it's like thinking about the end of the date before asking the girl out.

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Madam Pince - Feb 21, 2007 11:12 pm (#1279 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Thank goodness no men ever do that...

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Feb 22, 2007 7:51 pm (#1280 of 1652)

LOL Madam Pince! I so looking forward to an all night read. I love the idea of millions of people around the world reading the same book as I am!! I hope the Forum does the same for DH as they did for HBP. It was such a relief to get online. and talk about the book. LPO

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aasa - Feb 23, 2007 1:06 pm (#1281 of 1652)

I totally agree Ludicrous Patents Office. It's such an awesome (in it's original meaning) feeling, that I'm lying there on the grass outside my summer house in the archipelago of Stockholm, Sweden, reading, ignoring the family and at the same time thousands and thousands of people both children and adults, all around the world are reading the same book and at that particular moment none of us has yet read the ending! Absolutely marvellous!

(well, considering the time zone aspect, some already know the ending - but you see what I mean!?)

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Feb 23, 2007 8:28 pm (#1282 of 1652)

Aasa can I come read the book with you? That sounds absolutely wonderful. I'll be curled up in my easy chair through the night reading. LPO

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aasa - Feb 24, 2007 12:18 pm (#1283 of 1652)

everyone is welcome Smile

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me and my shadow 813 - Feb 26, 2007 6:15 pm (#1284 of 1652)

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I posted the following on the DH thread, but I'd like to expand on it regarding a speculation/prediction... Here's what I posted yesterday:

I read an interview with Pan's Labyrinth director and immediately thought of the Deathly Hallows as people. He said: "...it was incredibly important for the girl not to have a trustful guide in her tasks, because otherwise her choices would not be only hers but would be influenced by the fact that there was a benign figure guiding her."

I could imagine that with DD gone and Harry having no one of authority he can trust to guide him out in *the field*, it could be even if the DH are the founders he will not realise it at first and have to decide whether to trust their advice and clues about the horcruxes. Just some musings about another story in the genre...

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The DH title has been translated in some countries as "Saints", so going along with that, I started thinking of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, and the Tibetan Book of the Dead which is based on the former. In these ancient "death" books, pleasant spirits will appear which are actually demons in disguise and vise versa. I wish I could quote from Egyptian Book as opposed to Tibetan, because I feel JKR might use Egyptian lore, but here is a passage from Tibetan Book of the Dead.

O child of noble family, listen without distraction. On the fourth day, a red light, the purified element of fire, will shine... The red light of the skandha of perception in its basic purity, the wisdom of discrimination, brilliant red, adorned with discs of light... Do not be afraid of it. At the same time, together with the wisdom light, the soft yellow light of the hungry ghosts will also shine. Do not take pleasure in it... At that time, under the influence of intense desire, you will be terrified and escape from the sharp, bright red light, but you will feel pleasure and attraction towards the soft yellow light of the hungry ghosts. At that moment do not fear the red light, sharp and brilliant, luminous and clear, but recognise it as wisdom... O child of noble family, if you have not been shown by a guru's instruction you will be afraid of those images and pure wisdom lights, and attracted to the impure lights of samsara. By saying this inspiration-prayer, the superior person recognises his own projections, and merging with non-duality becomes a buddha."

More later, but any thoughts?

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Madam Pince - Feb 26, 2007 10:17 pm (#1285 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
My thought is that that is an excellent thought upon which to think!

I was convinced the "deathly hallows" referred to the date of All Hallows Eve (being of the simple mind that I am...) but I really like your idea of them being the spirits of the Founders/"saints" -- it makes the adjective "deathly" seem more appropriate somehow to me, and it also fits well with my other conviction that the Founders will figure largely in the final solution to the series...

Need...more...time...brain...bursting...from...Tibetan...quotes...

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Luna Logic - Feb 27, 2007 1:12 am (#1286 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
The "deathly hallows" could be both: "referred to the date of All Hallows Eve", and to "the spirits of the Founders/"saints"", because on that night in the Celtic mythology dead beings may pass in the world of the living ones(only for the night).

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S.E. Jones - Feb 27, 2007 3:15 am (#1287 of 1652)

Let it snow!
Quite true, Luna Logic, they pass through the veil between life and death, to be exact.... makes you wonder, huh?.....

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wynnleaf - Feb 27, 2007 11:04 am (#1288 of 1652)

The "deathly hallows" could be both: "referred to the date of All Hallows Eve", and to "the spirits of the Founders/"saints"", because on that night in the Celtic mythology dead beings may pass in the world of the living ones(only for the night). (Luna Logic)

Remembering too that Halloween is All Hallows Eve, or the night before All Hallows Day or All "Saints" Day -- a focus on the souls of those who have gone before.

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Madam Pince - Feb 27, 2007 11:53 am (#1289 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Perfect! Fits both ways! Good sleuthing, guys!

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Luna Logic - Feb 27, 2007 1:10 pm (#1290 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
Edited by Feb 27, 2007 12:11 pm
To give back the credit to (who?), the initial sleuthing was done in another thread - last week or more? - I don't remember which one (speaking of The Cloak? Godric's Hollow? the Veil? or was it the Deathly Hallows poll?).

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me and my shadow 813 - Feb 28, 2007 5:13 pm (#1291 of 1652)

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Need...more...time...brain...bursting...from...Tibetan...quotes... - Madam Pince

That's hilarious, Madam. I'll be doing more research regarding Egyptian Book of the Dead, but for now I'd like to add that Harry is going through a "living bardo" of sorts, which the death process is known as in the Tibetan belief system. So it seems to fit nicely and I think on the Symbolism thread they have discussed Egyptian symbolism within the HP series.

But to be clear, I do not believe this is the one and only DH reference. I believe they are also the horcruxes and lots of other possibilities sound interesting too. It would be nice symmetry if Hallowe'en night will have something to do with Harry's fulfilling his quest.

~edited for clarity

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me and my shadow 813 - Mar 5, 2007 2:27 pm (#1292 of 1652)

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Regarding Egyptian Book of the Dead, I am still trying to get my hands on a copy. So this research is probably going to come in spurts, bits&pieces, etc., for those who are interested. I have read Tibetan Book of the Dead, and have a copy at hand, which seems to have many possibilities in and of itself. However, I do feel JKR will lean more towards the ancient Egyptian system rather than getting into a potentially sticky religion-oriented system.

In any event, I found some passages and phrases interesting which could pertain to Harry's "descent" on his quest. I should preface this by saying one of the things that struck me when first getting into this series was the metaphoric connections with Dante's Inferno, the descent, and the Seven Deadly Sins. The Book of the Dead deals with Six "sins", I believe they leave out the equivalent of "sloth". There are six "bewildering apparitions" which emerge from the "assembly of Peaceful and Wrathful Dieties". As mentioned in a previous post, discriminating between which are "peaceful" and which are "wrathful" isn't easy. It reminds me of JKR's favorite play Macbeth and the old "Fair is Foul, Foul is Fair" concept. So I am wondering if the Hallows, the Founders, the Horcruxes, might in some way coincide with these six "sins" and/or "demons", with their "heavenly" counterparts.

More later... My sense is once I research the Egyptian text there will be more concrete associations, *potentially*, for DH.

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Eroej Kab - Mar 8, 2007 7:34 am (#1293 of 1652)

Perhaps you all could help tell me where I am off on this idea.

I would like to predict that in DH Harry will have but 1 horcrux to ferret out of the hiding place where Lord Voldemort secreted it. Here's how I figure it; DD thought that LV had one more soul splitting to do to accomplish his goal of 7 soul pieces on the night he went to GH to kill Harry (JKR says DD's conjectures are usually spot on). LV's curse rebounded off Harry and "killed" LV (Harry was the only one to ever survive AK). He would need to make use of 1 of his horcruxes (however the spell works) to regenerate. If he had not yet created the 7th piece of his soul - there would then be 4 horcruces. On the night of the GH attack there were 6 soul pieces - one in LV and five horcruces. One soul piece was lost when LV "died" when the AK curse rebounded upon him. One of the 5 horcruces would have to have been used to regenerate LV, leaving 4 horcruces at that point. That left 2 to be found (the diary, the ring and 2 TBD). If Regulus (RAB) left the locket at 12 Girmauld Pl., then but 1 is left to be discovered in it's hiding place(Hufflepuffs Cup?). Nagini - made later?- could be another (the seventh soul piece) as conjectured by DD (and his guesses are pretty good).

What do you think?

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Steve Newton - Mar 8, 2007 8:23 am (#1294 of 1652)

Librarian
I don't think that horcruxes get used up. As long as you have at least one your soul is anchored.

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Columbine Fairy - Mar 10, 2007 5:07 am (#1295 of 1652)

I have a theory, possibly it could go on another thread but I;m not sure where - I can't see one for house elves anywhere... Anyway, I came accross the passage in GoF when Harry discovers Dobby is working at Hogwarts, and he tells him how he likes working for Dumbledore and is "proud to keep his secrets". I wonder if these are secrets that might help Harry and if Dobby will tell him what they are now that Dumbledore can no longer tell Harry himself?

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Madam Pince - Mar 10, 2007 10:34 am (#1296 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Ooooo, excellent catch, Columbine Fairy! I keep thinking that JKR must've introduced us to house-elves and kept their "magical methods" somewhat secretive so far for a very good reason. That could be it -- perhaps Dobby is going to have some means to connect Harry with Dumbledore's secrets, or even with his spirit or something!

Dobby should definitely enter into the final solution in a big way, I think. He is one of Harry's staunchest allies. I also think back to the Fountain of Magical Brethren in the MOM and think it may portend something about the collaboration of all magical creatures to defeat evil perhaps. There was a house-elf in that statue.

(P.S. There is a house-elves thread in the archived folder in "Magical Creatures and Plants", but it has been inactive for awhile, which is why it got shifted to the archived folder. I think that if you post something to it, then one of the hosts will bring it forward to active status, so if you wanted to take this idea further there, you could. Or I think it also fits here, too, but what do I know... I thought "Mark Evans" was going to be something big...)

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Thom Matheson - Mar 10, 2007 7:09 pm (#1297 of 1652)

MP, I have just recently started something regarding the house elves for those inclined. It is on the thread. I haver Dobby leading the rest of the Hogwarts elves rising up to assist in the event that DE's try to take the school.

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Rons red hair - Mar 11, 2007 4:34 pm (#1298 of 1652)

I think that Harry will find out that he is related to Gryffindor. Also,I think he will discover that Gryffindor and Slytherin were also related (maybe cousins). This means that Harry is actually related to Voldermort.

I believe that Snape will turn out to be good and that he and DD knew from the beggining of HBP that he would have to die and snape would be the one that had to kill him. Snape will have a huge part to play in book 7

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frogface - Mar 12, 2007 4:49 am (#1299 of 1652)

I think JKR has shut down the theory that Harry and Voldemort are related - however distantly. But rest seem valid enough My personal theory is that either Neville or Dumbledore will turn out to be Gryffindor's descendant.

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Columbine Fairy - Mar 12, 2007 5:06 am (#1300 of 1652)

Oh wow, I think Neville being Gryffindor's descendant would be a FANTASTIC twist...imagine Neville finding that out, what it might do for his confidence... of course, he may also go to pieces thinking that's more reputation to live up to.

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Laura W - Mar 12, 2007 5:56 am (#1301 of 1652)
"I think that Harry will find out that he is related to Gryffindor." (Rons red hair)

Sorry. From the Mugglenet/Leaky Cauldron interview:

"MA: What about Harry's family — his grandparents — were they killed?

"JKR: No. This takes us into more mundane territory. As a writer, it was more interesting, plot-wise, if Harry was completely alone. So I rather ruthlessly disposed of his entire family apart from Aunt Petunia. I mean, James and Lily are massively important to the plot, of course, but the grandparents? No. And, because I do like my backstory: Petunia and Lily's parents, normal Muggle death. James's parents were elderly, were getting on a little when he was born, which explains the only child, very pampered, had-him-late-in-life-so-he's-an-extra-treasure, as often happens, I think. They were old in wizarding terms, and they died. They succumbed to a wizarding illness. That's as far as it goes. There's nothing serious or sinister about those deaths. I just needed them out of the way so I killed them.

"MA: That sort of shuts down Heir of Gryffindor [theories], as well.

"JKR: [Pause.] Yeah. Well - yeah.

"MA: Another one bites the dust."

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Madam Pince - Mar 12, 2007 1:41 pm (#1302 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Wish she'd finished what she was going to say when she said "Yeah. Well--" and then thought better of it and just said "Yeah" again...

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Laura W - Mar 12, 2007 7:26 pm (#1303 of 1652)

Tricky, that Jo. (wink)

Laura

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Laura W - Mar 13, 2007 12:32 am (#1304 of 1652)

Still, regardless of her odd wording in that interview, until proven otherwise *I* take it to mean that Harry is definitely not the Heir of Gryffindor or even related to Godric Gryffindor. Heck, he's already The Boy Who Lived and The Chosen One; or, as Slughorn put it, "Parry Otter, the Chosen Boy Who - well - something of that sort." How many titles does the kid need? (grin)

Nope, from a story-telling point of view, I like it better if he *isn't* royalty. But just an ordinary wizard forced into life-long fame and eventual hero-status by something completely out of his control that happened to him when he was a baby. He has to save the wizard world - and possibly die while doing so - because in 1980 Tom Riddle heard the prophecy, had to choose between two boy babies born at the end of the seventh month, and made the choice to go after the infant Potter instead of the infant Longbottom.

(It would be kind of cool if Neville - whose family feared was a Squib - does turn out to be related, even distantly, to Godric Gryffindor, however. I don't think that is what Jo has planned, but it *would* be cool.)

Laura

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wynnleaf - Mar 13, 2007 5:30 am (#1305 of 1652)

Still, regardless of her odd wording in that interview, until proven otherwise *I* take it to mean that Harry is definitely not the Heir of Gryffindor or even related to Godric Gryffindor. (Laura)

As far as creating theories goes, I agree. We have to take JKR's comment as best we can, which seems to indicate that Harry isn't the Heir of Gryffindor.

But her, "Yeah,well -- yeah," could also be JKR just getting cornered and not being completely sure what to say to not reveal something and therefore letting Melissa and Emerson draw their own (perhaps incorrect) conclusions.

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haymoni - Mar 13, 2007 6:35 am (#1306 of 1652)

I always thought Dumbledore was the Heir of Gryffindor.

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juliebug - Mar 13, 2007 6:58 am (#1307 of 1652)

I'm not sure if the Gryffindor, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw lines have separate, single heirs. It makes sense for the Slytherin line to have gone the way it did because of the way that Salazaar Slytherin walked away from the other school founders. The rest of that bloodline wanted nothing to do with the decendants or even the supporters of the other founders. I just have to believe that(whether intentional or not) the lines of Gryffindor, Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw have already crossed, probably several times by now.

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me and my shadow 813 - Mar 15, 2007 4:17 pm (#1308 of 1652)

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Just a little update on Egyptian Book of the Dead I've posted recently. After perusing it, to me it seems the Tibetan Book of the Dead addresses the paradox of Peaceful/Wrathful spirits more directly. I do not want to elaborate, as Tibetan Buddhism is an active religion and does not belong on this forum. However, if anyone is interested in pursuing a possible connection between the *fair is foul/foul is fair* concept and the Deathly Hallows, I recommend giving Tibetan Book of the Dead a glancing-over.

Thanks for listening to my musings...

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totyle - Mar 16, 2007 4:55 am (#1309 of 1652)

Hi..this isn't actually a prediction but more of a fear....

As the end of Harry's (and all us fans') journey approaches I'm rereading the books continuously and reading up as much as possible the forums on various web sites and the brilliant essays. I don't think I'm alone in this...it suddenly struck me that this last book is being just so tremendously and overwhelmingly being looked forward to and I'm suddenly afraid..struck by the fear that I might be let down...not because the book itself is not good but because the expectations seem just too overwhelming...and that no one could meet the expectations that we the fans have built up....

Its like pre wedding nerves actually! You just start thinking about all the what ifs and thinking..I really dont want this to be the LAST book....'mental' I know!....but there it is...

In need of a cheering charm badly....

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journeymom - Mar 16, 2007 9:41 am (#1310 of 1652)

Totyle, I've thought about that as well. And similarly, my experience with Deathly Hallows will be different from my reading experiences with all the rest of the books, simply because I discovered the Lexicon after reading HBP. Normally I just read the story for the fun of it. The plot just washes over me and I pick up whatever I pick up. But with DH I've no doubt I'll be mining it for significant and tiny details that answer the myriad of theories discussed here at the Lexicon.

Still, I think JKR would have to do something pretty outrageous to totally put me off.

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haymoni - Mar 16, 2007 10:25 am (#1311 of 1652)

I have been afraid that I have built this ending up and that I will be let down.

"It ends like that????"

I have to tell myself that this is Jo's story and if she want it to end this way, then that is just it and that's all.

But I am worried that I am ruining this for myself.

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Thom Matheson - Mar 16, 2007 8:38 pm (#1312 of 1652)

Haymoni, I would guess that it is also a big concern for JKR as well. That by itself is a reason to be hopeful for us. You know that she will be remembered for the ending and the big finish, not the beginning. Readers are a fickle lot, and after 10 years there better darn well be a big juicy finish.

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frogface - Mar 17, 2007 3:07 am (#1313 of 1652)

I'm trying to not to let my expectations of Deathly Hallows get in the way, because I think thats the best thing I can do to help me enjoy it when it comes out. If you build something up in your mind you'll always be a bit disapointed, and it will be impossible for JKR to please everyone. Look at HBP. Before that came out the shipping wars were rife - nowadays they have calmed down. But before HBP came out I was a R/H G/H shipper, but I always told myself that I wouldn't let myself hold that against the book if I turned out to be wrong. I was right as it turns out, but a small number of H/H shippers (thankfully not members of the Lexicon) actually wanted to organise a petition and send it to JKR telling her to rewrite the book so that Harry got with Hermione! Talk about sour grapes. If my predictions or expectations turn out to be wrong, I won't let myself be disapointed by this. I'm just going to read the book objectively as I've done with every other. JKR has provided us with six fantastic books, and I'm confident she can deliever another, so long as we don't ask too much of her.

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Mudblood and Proud - Mar 17, 2007 6:30 am (#1314 of 1652)

To continue the Heir of Gryffindor discussion in the film of POA Ron eats a sweet that makes him roar like a lion. Is this the scene that gave JKR goose bumps? I think its a very tenuous assumption but the Weasleys have always been Gryffindors and the high ratio of males to females in the family has never been explained. And the large family makes me think of a pride of lions. Again very tenuous.

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M A Grimmett - Mar 17, 2007 12:54 pm (#1315 of 1652)

I'm hoping that if Hogwarts opens in the fall and McGonnagall is Headmistress, Rita Skeeter will be brought in to teach Transfiguration. Perhaps Bill Weasley could be brought in to teach DADA. I also hope to see the two way mirrors again. Whatever happened to Sirius' motorbike? That could be some kick-butt transport for Harry and Co. On a more tangential note, I wonder if the wall Mrs Black is affixed to is a load bearing wall. If not, the wall might be torn down, the painting taken away thusly, and a little more light brought in. That place is ghastly dismal.

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Columbine Fairy - Mar 19, 2007 3:44 am (#1316 of 1652)

Perhaps the motorbike is hanging out with the Weasley's car in the Forest. That would be an interesting tea party!

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Mar 21, 2007 6:50 pm (#1317 of 1652)

And similarly, my experience with Deathly Hallows will be different from my reading experiences with all the rest of the books, simply because I discovered the Lexicon after reading HBP Journeymom

I came to the Forum before HBP. It does make a big difference in how you read the book. I felt less surprised. There were things we discussed endlessly that were resolved in the first three chapters (Harry's shortest stay at the Dursleys', who was Sirius' heir). They weren't nearly as important as we anticipated. It was fun to look forward to them though and have the questions answered. The best thing is when you read the book you have friends all over the world you can immediately discuss the book with. The Forum did an excellent job of meeting the needs of all the readers. I predict the book will surprise us! LPO

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Mediwitch - Mar 22, 2007 7:26 pm (#1318 of 1652)

"We could have all been killed-- or worse, expelled!"
I agree with LPO. I started lurking on the Forum before OoP, but got more addicted involved before HBP. It was cool reading how Jo addressed some of the things that we'd endlessly debated. We went on vacation the day I picked up HBP so I got to read it immediately but couldn't get on the Forum for a week - it was so hard waiting!

I also second LPO's prediction! (To get myself back on topic. )

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T Brightwater - Mar 28, 2007 5:01 pm (#1319 of 1652)

(All right, I've got my shawls and bangles on, let's see if I can manage the deep harsh voice:)

To vanquish Voldemort, Harry will have to make the ultimate sacrifice: Not death, but the loss of his power.

Think about it - the thing Harry really fears most, Dementors notwithstanding, is being cut off from the Wizarding world. Whatever he's had to deal with as a Hogwarts student, it's better than Privet Drive and the Dursleys. Imagine what it would be like for Harry to give up his entire life, while remaining alive. As he tells Dobby, "you don't know what it's like here. I don't belong here. I belong in your world - at Hogwarts."

Frodo says at the end of LOTR, "It must often be so, Sam, when things are in danger: some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them." Harry's ultimate act of love will be to make that sacrifice, saving all that he loves by cutting himself off from it. He'll live, but he'll be a Muggle.

(Now, where did I leave that glass sphere?)

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MickeyCee3948 - Mar 28, 2007 5:04 pm (#1320 of 1652)

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Ginny wouldn't mind marrying a muggle in my opinion.

Mickey

P.S. Arthur would simply love it!!!

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haymoni - Mar 28, 2007 5:05 pm (#1321 of 1652)

Not if the Muggle were Harry!

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T Brightwater - Mar 28, 2007 5:37 pm (#1322 of 1652)

I think Harry will at least have to face the possibility of rejection. He may even try to talk Ginny out of it, like Lupin did with Tonks, but you're right; she probably won't let him get away with it. Assuming she's still alive at the end, that is.

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totyle - Mar 28, 2007 7:32 pm (#1323 of 1652)

Hello T Brightwater...our minds think alike..I posted the same prediction back in July 6 2006 post # 870. It's not death in the physical sense but it would be the ultimate sacrifice for Harry.

This was my previous post back in July 2006 (one of my firsts actually so apologies for the long windedness of the post!):

I'm new here and have read through this thread's posts as much as I can.... apologies in advance for sidelining on current discussions...I think Im probably a year out in the theories mails, however here's my theory but I'm actually hoping it would be shot down to smithereens by the more talented predictors out there...I just won't be able to bear it if its true..here goes...and if its been predicted before my apologies...

In OoTP Harry has a thought of how awful it must be for Sirius to be back in the house he hates ie 12 Grimmauld Place and shudders at the thought of how he would feel if his fate was to go back to 4 Privet Drive as an adult after thinking he was rid of it forever..(not exact quote but from memory)

Now..I think that's the fate that awaits Harry..his price for defeating the Dark Lord and saving the Wizarding World would be to be banished from it forever, having to return to 4 Privet Drive without any magical powers, even his wand wont work for him..he will be utterly utterly miserable even though he has saved the whole Wizarding World from the Dark Lord the price will seem almost too high to bear...then just at the last page....Ginny will come to him...and say..Ive left the Wizarding World to be with you..together we will live as Mugglesss...The End...sniff sniff...

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freshwater - Mar 29, 2007 10:15 am (#1324 of 1652)

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With the cover art for the US version, and the two UK versions up on mugglenet and the leaky cauldron now, has anyone been inspired with new or different predictions?

I thought it was interesting that --in the US cover-- neither Harry nor LV are holding a wand...will they both do wandless magic?

The cover for the UK kid's version seems to show H/R/H being sucking into an archway, with gold coins whirling about and treasure in the forground....maybe they are searching a Gringott's vault and stumble upon a portkey? Lots of possibilities there....

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MickeyCee3948 - Mar 29, 2007 1:47 pm (#1325 of 1652)

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freshwater, I thought that Harry looked like he was reaching for something, possibly his wand. But Voldemort on the other hand seems to be shunning or attempting to push something off. JM2K's

Mickey

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T Brightwater - Mar 29, 2007 4:08 pm (#1326 of 1652)

totyle, another possibility for the end is that someone (Hermione maybe) will perform a Memory Charm on Harry, so that at least he won't be tormented by memories of all that he gave up.

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totyle - Mar 29, 2007 6:33 pm (#1327 of 1652)

Freshwater, I think the trio could be searching in Gringgot's vaults for the Hufflepuff cup-one of the Horcruxes. Whose vault? How do they get the key?

T Brightwater, oooh that would be so cruel..better to have the memories than none at all..

I was thinking it would end thus..:(the last line)

..and all Harry was left with to remind him of the Wizarding World was his memories and his scar.

(But I still think Ginny will be with him no matter what..)

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T Brightwater - Mar 31, 2007 8:52 am (#1328 of 1652)

totyle, we are obviously using the same brand of crystal ball - that's almost exactly how I imagine the last line. :-)

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Bellatrix Lastrange - Mar 31, 2007 9:39 am (#1329 of 1652)

Death Eater at large
I'm sorry if this has already been brought up as someone's theory, but I think it's a really good one. Sorry again if it's full of holes!

--Harry is a Horcrux. He's the one Dumbledore thought was in Nagini.

--Neville will play a HUGE roll in "The Deathly Hallows" because the prophecy named him or Harry and no one knows for sure who it really was for. J.K. Rowling said so herself that the prophecy could mean different things to different people.

--I also believe Neville will be faced with a giant dilemma, mainly killing Harry Potter for the good of the Wizarding World. Since I believe Harry is a Horcrux and that Neville plays a big role in Book 7, I think he will have to finish off Harry so NEVILLE can kill Voldemort.

--I believe R.A.B. is Regulus Black, but I don't know anything else about him.

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MickeyCee3948 - Mar 31, 2007 2:18 pm (#1330 of 1652)

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Why not, Bellatrix? He's your brother isn't he? Hee..Hee

Mickey

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Choices - Mar 31, 2007 5:55 pm (#1331 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Regulus is Sirius's brother and he and Bellatrix would be cousins, if I'm not confunded - which could well be the case. LOL

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MickeyCee3948 - Mar 31, 2007 7:22 pm (#1332 of 1652)

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Dang, it Choices, you catch all my errors. DRAT!!!

Mickey

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Phelim Mcintyre - Apr 1, 2007 5:44 am (#1333 of 1652)

Bellatrix - if I remember correctly then JKR has scotched many of your ideas on here website. The prophecy has nothing to do with Neville after Voldemort chose to go after Harry.

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Steve Newton - Apr 1, 2007 9:12 am (#1334 of 1652)

Librarian
Phelim, I'm not so sure. As I recall it her comments were somewhat loose (Imagine that.)

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Laura W - Apr 1, 2007 10:07 am (#1335 of 1652)

From JKR's official site, FAQ section:

"So where does this leave Neville, the boy who was so nearly King? Well, it does not give him either hidden powers or a mysterious destiny. He remains a 'normal' wizarding boy, albeit one with a past, in its way, as tragic as Harry's. As you saw in 'Order of the Phoenix,' however, Neville is not without his own latent strengths. It remains to be seen how he will feel if he ever finds out how close he came to being the Chosen One.

"Some of you, who have been convinced that the prophecy marked Neville, in some mystical fashion, for a fate intertwined with Harry's, may find this answer rather dull. Yet I was making what I felt was a significant point about Harry and Voldemort, and about prophecies themselves, in showing Neville as the also-ran. If neither boy was 'pre-ordained' before Voldemort's attack to become his possible vanquisher, then the prophecy (like the one the witches make to Macbeth, if anyone has read the play of the same name) becomes the catalyst for a situation that would never have occurred if it had not been made. Harry is propelled into a terrifying position he might never have sought, while Neville remains the tantalising 'might-have-been'. Destiny is a name often given in retrospect to choices that had dramatic consequences.

"Of course, none of this should be taken to mean that Neville does not have a significant part to play in the last two novels, or the fight against Voldemort."

LW

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Phelim Mcintyre - Apr 1, 2007 10:16 am (#1336 of 1652)

Thanks for the quote Laura W. Neville is NOT the chosen one. It is now to do with Harry. Yes Neville will have a role to play but Harry is not a usurper.

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Steve Newton - Apr 1, 2007 11:28 am (#1337 of 1652)

Librarian
What is the Chosen One supposed to do? I have assumed that he was Chosen to defeat Voldemort but can't think of any such clear statement.

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Laura W - Apr 1, 2007 12:15 pm (#1338 of 1652)

I know you don't trust the Daily Prophet, Steve, but in Chapter three of HBP, a news story from the paper includes this line: "Some are going so far as to call Potter the 'Chosen One', believing that the prophecy names him as the only one who will be able to rid us of He Who Must Be Named."

And then, when Harry goes to the Burrow, in Chapter five he tells Ron and Hermoine, "The Prophet's got it right. ... I heard the whole thing in Dumbledore's office, he was the one the prophecy was made to, so he could tell me. From what it said, it looks like I'm the one who's got to finish off Voldemort ..."

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phuze - Apr 1, 2007 11:22 pm (#1339 of 1652)

I have a prediction for book 7:

I think that Harry will find out what it says in the letter that Dumbledore left for the Dursleys when he was a baby.

I came up with it because there is a lot of emphasis in the beginning of the first book on things the Dursleys were supposed to tell Harry. It also came up in the "remember my last" in PoA, but the content of the letter has never really been revealed. I don't think it will be anything earthshaking plotwise, but it will make clear how much the Dursleys knew for all that time.

Phuze

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freshwater - Apr 1, 2007 11:54 pm (#1340 of 1652)

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I'm sure you all will enjoy checking out the new thread "Jo *has* said who will die!", down under New Threads Not Yet Approved.

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wynnleaf - Apr 2, 2007 3:28 pm (#1341 of 1652)

I would suspect that anything we think JKR will reveal in DH, will also be revealed to Harry, since we learn most information through Harry's point of view.

Hopefully, most of the more obvious secrets that JKR has kept from us, she'll reveal in DH, and therefore Harry will probably be learning those answers as well.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Apr 4, 2007 8:32 pm (#1342 of 1652)

My prediction is the the seven enchantments that HRH had to go through in PS/SS represent the 7 Horcruxes.

Fluffy-all three had to get around him/Nagini?

Devils Snare-Hermione defeated

Keys-Harry/Diary Tom

Chess-Ron

Troll-Done for them/DD the Ring

Potions-Hermione/defeats or outsmarts Snape????

Mirror of Erised-Harry vs Voldemort

LPO

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TheSaint - Apr 4, 2007 11:08 pm (#1343 of 1652)

I like that thought LPO. Notices that the prize at the end was hidden in Harry's pocket. Hmmm...wonder what else is hidden in Harry? LOL

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journeymom - Apr 5, 2007 10:28 am (#1344 of 1652)

The above makes me think Snape (assuming he's DD's Man) will help Harry one time, in sort of an oblique riddle, if not a real riddle. Hermione will figure it out. She already made the connection to Eileen Prince.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Apr 6, 2007 8:47 pm (#1345 of 1652)

TheSaint that worries me, what Harry is hiding!

Journeymom I like your idea. I'm on the side that Snape is evil, no matter what he does in the end. That would be a way to learn what side he is really on. LPO

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journeymom - Apr 7, 2007 10:39 am (#1346 of 1652)

LPO, he could still be eeeevil, too. He might inadvertently, accidentally help Harry.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Apr 10, 2007 6:57 pm (#1347 of 1652)

One of my 8th grade students came up with an interesting idea today. He thinks that Sirius the human side went beyond the veil but his animagus side survived. He thinks that animagus Sirius can help Harry in book 7. I have absolutely no canon to support that but I really liked the idea. I'm going to have to have a Harry Potter Predictions Party at school. I want to hear what else the students come up with. LPO

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Soul Mate for Sirius - Apr 11, 2007 10:56 am (#1348 of 1652)

Counting the days until 6/20/09....
Oh LPO, I love love love that idea!! That would be so great!!

**jumps up and down and giggles like a little school girl at the idea of Sirius being around in Book 7***

-Jenn

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Tenshender - Apr 11, 2007 5:14 pm (#1349 of 1652)

Saint: I Don't think that jo would write something so obviously parallel. Interesting theory thought, hopefully it's something close to that, would make the whole situation seem a lot simpler if more horcruxes were destroyed that thought before.

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TheSaint - Apr 11, 2007 6:54 pm (#1350 of 1652)

Interesting theory thought, hopefully it's something close to that, would make the whole situation seem a lot simpler if more horcruxes were destroyed that thought before.

I don't know where the 'more horcruxes were destroyed than thought before', I was only hinting to the possability of Harry being a horcrux.

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freshwater - Apr 15, 2007 2:40 pm (#1351 of 1652)
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I posted this in response to the poll "who will live/die" and thought it might be of interest here....

I believe these characters were always destined to live, and will live:

A/Harry...because we love him and want to see him successful and happy, besides, he's definately /earned/ it;

F/Neville...to underscore his evolution from nerdy, incompetant to powerful wizard;

G/Remus....to mentor Harry in place of Sirius and Harry's parents, as well as to reinforce the possibility of finding happiness late in life: a sort of anti-dementor view of ultimately being rewarded for gracefully struggling with undeserved hardships in life;

I/Draco...to underscore the changes possible when someone bad (or badly brought up) chooses **"choices" is the theme, you know** to live differently;

K/a Dursley...to realistically show that not everyone gets what they deserve, and because their survival/death will not be significant to either Harry or the wizarding world. --------------------------------------------------

I also believe these characters were always destined to die, and will die:

B/Voldemort...for obvious reasons;

E/Snape...in sacrificing himself for Harry in some way he will simultaneously affirm that DD's trust in him was valid, and that even extremely unpleasant people can be doing the right thing;

H/Peter....betrayal of friends and /repeatedly/ siding with evil must be punished;

J/a Weasley, probably Charlie **gulp**....because we know him least well of all the Weasley's, but his death will underscore the dangers of war and the potential dangers of choosing to the right thing vs the easy thing. -------------------------------------------

That leaves --from this list-- only C/Ron, D/Hermione, and L/someone else. Hmmmmm......since listening to the CD's of HBP recently I'm starting to believe that C/Ron and D/Hermione will both die **!!!I know!!!perish the thought!!!** Ron has always been portrayed as someone resentful of being poor and/or looked down on, and has "betrayed" Harry in the past for mistaken ideas (GoF). In HBP Ron's responses to most of the important events seem to me to be very self-oriented as opposed to seeing the true significance of the events for Harry or the wizarding public. His lack of self-confidence as Keeper was also a key point in HBP. All this leads me to fear that he will be derailed from making the best choices in DH --or possibly vulnerable to Imperio-- thereby leading to his death. As sad as this is, it would make the point that enemies or obstacles may be found in the person you least expect....a good counterpoint to Snape's efforts to save Harry during the Quidditch match in SS/PS and his efforts to save the stone vs obtaining it for LV, also in SS/PS. However, Ron's contributions to the defeat of LV --foreshadowed in 1) his role as knight in the chess game at the end of SS/PS, 2) in his unbeatable gift for strategy in chess, and 3) in his being the one to prompt Harry to use the "lucky" potion (HBP)-- will be what his friends and family remember him for, not his weaknesses.

As for D/Hermione...she could die either in an attempt to rescue Ron, or in assisting Harry. Either would reinforce the ability of Harry to use his love for both Ron and Hermione to defeat LV....as he already did in the Atrium of the Min. of Magic (OotP). It would also remove her from the role of a survivor battling grief and unrequited love after Ron's death and the defeat of LV, which is too, too grim for a series such as this.

Also, the deaths of both Ron and Hermione would make the point that truly defeating evil often requires real sacrifice --yes, Harry has already lost his parents, but that was long ago and somewhat impersonal (for lack of a better term) for all of us, including Harry. I think it is likely that political changes across the world in the last 10 years regarding our sense of security and safety may have led JKR to decide that these sacrifices would have to be shown to be personal and precious, not just the unfortunate loss of acquaintances.

Finally, L/someone else...as the unexpected survivor....perhaps Moody. Being an older wizard who's had his run he may have originally been in the "to die" list. But given the development and of his gruff-but-lovable personality --and the need to have him vicariously triumph over LV in recompense for his lost eye and lost leg-- JKR may have decided to let him survive and perhaps head the effort of Aurors to round up the Death Eaters after LV's death, thereby allowing Harry to focus on Quidditch or travel or living happily ever after with OBHWF.

So....that was my long-winded think-aloud to figure out that the 2 who will die will be C/Ron and D/Hermione, and the one to survive will be L/someone else: Moody. Actually, despite my probably too-heavily-thought-out reasoning here, the idea that I am actually trying to predict how JKR will surprise us is what leads me to think that I am /undoubtedly/ wrong about ALL of the above! LOL :-)

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Laura W - Apr 15, 2007 4:41 pm (#1352 of 1652)

Wow, great analysis, freshwater! From your first word to your last. Of course, you might be totally wrong - mightent we all? (knowing wink) -, but you still deserve credit for your thought process here and also how you laid your arguments out.

(And I'm very big on giving credit and acknowledgment when it due (as part of my life-long worship of fairness), so I'm here to give it to you.)

Cheers

Laura

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Apr 16, 2007 6:58 pm (#1353 of 1652)

I was thinking about the book titles. Only two books are named after or about a person: PoA and HBP. Voldemort is not a character in either book. Since the Prisoner of Azkaban died I'm thinking the Half Blood Prince will too. Sirius and Severus are so critical to the series they have books titled after them. LPO

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freshwater - Apr 16, 2007 7:39 pm (#1354 of 1652)

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Thank you, Laura W! I'm glad you enjoyed my ramblings.

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MickeyCee3948 - Apr 17, 2007 6:50 am (#1355 of 1652)

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I like that analogy "Ludicrous Patents Office". Good catch and 10 points for your house.

Mickey

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Apr 17, 2007 7:29 pm (#1356 of 1652)

Thanks Mickey! LPO

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KTO - Apr 23, 2007 4:18 pm (#1357 of 1652)

I think the importance of Lilly's eyes will be that Harry will be able to see Snape through his mother's eyes, I think that Lilly may be the one that loved Snape, i also think when Petunia talks about "that awful boy" she may mean Snape and not James.

For the record, Lilly did not romantically love Snape, but she loved him as one can love another and it was Lilly's love for Snape that turned him from the "dark side", when Snape see's harry he is unable to see Harry and only see's James, at some point Snape will see Lilly in Harry and this will be the moment he lets go, saves harry is filled with love and leaves this world with a sense of peace.

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haymoni - Apr 23, 2007 6:58 pm (#1358 of 1652)

KTO - where've you been??

I like all that you wrote, but I'd rather that Peter dies than Snape.

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So Sirius - Apr 23, 2007 7:45 pm (#1359 of 1652)

Several times we know of, Ron has stepped on Hermione's foot. It seems so insignificant, yet they have left each time in the movies. I do believe something will happen to Hermione, if not just to her foot, specifically, but something might be coming for her and it might be a direct result of Ron's doing, or by his own hand (or foot). It would be really sad if Ron was put under the imperius curse and attacked Hermione and Harry had to come to her aid, by doing something to Ron.

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MickeyCee3948 - Apr 27, 2007 7:13 am (#1360 of 1652)

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Snape will spend the rest of his life in the wizard prison after the war in over. The quartet of HRHG will gang up on Snape to take him down. Peter will die before the final battle. Probably by Voldemort himself.

Mickey

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Choices - Apr 27, 2007 10:31 am (#1361 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I agree with the part about Peter, but I think Snape is going to lay down his life for Harry - to give Harry a chance at Voldemort - and Snape's sacrifice may even impart to Harry a protection similar to the one given to Harry by Lily. I don't think Snape will live to go to Azkaban.

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MickeyCee3948 - Apr 27, 2007 10:14 pm (#1362 of 1652)

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Choices - I think Tom will go down before Snape. Ginny is going to use that bogey curse on him. It has been mentioned too much for it not to come in handy at a crucial moment.

Mickey

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journeymom - Apr 27, 2007 10:53 pm (#1363 of 1652)

Yup, most powerful wizard in the world, brought down by a bat bogey hex. She'll cover Voldemort's face with them and he won't be able to breath through his little snake nose.

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PatPat - Apr 28, 2007 5:12 am (#1364 of 1652)

Yup, most powerful wizard in the world, brought down by a bat bogey hex. She'll cover Voldemort's face with them and he won't be able to breath through his little snake nose. Journeymom

ROFL!!! I think, unless I am mistaken, that Mickey meant Snape, not Voldemort. But I agree with you that it is unlikely that this will figure prominently in the vanquishing of any powerful wizard. I think the mentioning of this many times was to illustrate to us how powerful Ginny is. She was not really that prominent in the books until OoP/HBP so we needed something to show us the strength of her magical power. Actually, now that I think on it, ALL of the Weasley's are pretty awesome wizards. This will be important in book 7.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Apr 28, 2007 5:20 am (#1365 of 1652)

I think the twinkle in DD's eye concerning Voldemort using Harry's blood for his rebirth is important. Could Voldemort have a link to Harry he doesn't realise in a similar way to Harry's scar? Or will Harry be able to hold and get to horcux without harm?
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Madam Pince - Apr 28, 2007 5:34 pm (#1366 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I agree, Phelim. If you haven't already, check out Chemyst's post #17 on the "Predictions List: 10 Quick and Easy Topics" thread for a really cool theory on the shared blood thing!

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journeymom - Apr 28, 2007 11:35 pm (#1367 of 1652)

[slaps forehead] Yes, PatPat, you are right. Sorry, Mickey, I'm batting a thousand here! You meant Snape, didn't you. Well, and that would make sense, wouldn't it? He's the great bat of the dungeon, swooping around, robes aflutter. Ginny brings down the SECOND most powerful wizard with her bat booger hex.

What an ignoble death, poor man!

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MickeyCee3948 - Apr 29, 2007 7:18 am (#1368 of 1652)

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journeymom Yes I meant Snape. But I don't believe he will be killed by HRH&G. They will hold him for what's left of the ministry to put him in prison. I say this because I believe that Snape will perform more unforgiveables in DH and will make himself unforgiveable as a person. JM2K's.

Mickey

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KTO - Apr 30, 2007 11:31 am (#1369 of 1652)

Harry WAS a horcrux for Voldermort, but with the exchange of blood that piece of his soul went back into Voldermorts body, Harry will not have to destroy himself to destroy Voldermort.

Snape is a good guy and does die for Harry and it might be that Snape's love for Lilly imparts some protection to Harry, small amount, like at the end of the wand battle in GOF, just enough to give Harry time to regroup and defeat Voldermort.

Harry is not going to die, I am even more certain of this after watching the first film with my nephew, the entire story is about redemption, resurrection and the fact that good wins, important lessons to teach our little ones, Jo is never going to teach that sacrifice, after sacrifice leads to death.

While I do not know her, from what I have seen in her words and actions over the past seven years is that she believes the world can be a magnificent place, that while there is heartache and despair, it is all trumped by love and she loves and feels as if she has a commitment to her fans (more commitment to the little ones then the adults) and she will never break their hearts, even if it means for the rest of her life people ask her to write more about Harry.

She will sacrifice some of her sanity for hundreds of thousands of little people learning the lessons she lays out and supports in her story.

Friendship, kindness, commitment, strength, faith and belief.

KT

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freshwater - Apr 30, 2007 3:20 pm (#1370 of 1652)

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Ooooooohhhh, KT....that theory about any bit of LV's soul that might have been in Harry going back into LV with the "donation" of Harry's blood, would explain the triumphant glint in DD's eye when Harry related that bit of the story. But....wouldn't having a bit of LV' soul in you tend to corrupt you....as in make you selfish, mean-spirited, etc? Hmmmmmmm......but, if that were true, then Dudley could be a horcrux! **snort**

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colbow - Apr 30, 2007 5:08 pm (#1371 of 1652)

Nice Work- KTO. Very well said on all points.

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MickeyCee3948 - Apr 30, 2007 6:10 pm (#1372 of 1652)

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Considering the results of Dumbledore removing the curse from the ring, I doubt if a "donation of Harry's Blood" would remove the horcrux from the scar. It's going to take alot more than that in my estimation. But thats JM2K's.

Mickey

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Choices - Apr 30, 2007 6:54 pm (#1373 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I agree Mickey. If I did believe that Harry is a Horcrux (which I don't), I would think that removing the Horcrux would be much more complicated than just donating a little blood to Voldemort.

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TheSaint - Apr 30, 2007 11:45 pm (#1374 of 1652)

If he were a horcrux and JK had it removed with the blood donation, and we are none the wiser, what was the point? And wouldn't DD have listed that as one of the destroyed horcruxes?

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MickeyCee3948 - May 1, 2007 7:42 am (#1375 of 1652)

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Assuming that Dumbledore wanted Harry to know that he was a horcrux. I believe that this was one fact that Dumbledore just couldn't tell Harry. He told him instead that he thought it might be Nagrini to put the idea in Harry's head that a living creature could be a horcrux.

It is my belief Dumbledore felt that Harry was a horcrux from the Smokey Instrument scene in OotP scene where we get the "in essence divided" comment. Dumbledore knew there were 2 pieces of soul in Harry but they were seperate not joined.

Sorry, I can't change you over to my side Choices but that is what makes the discussion so stimulating.

Mickey

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gusmania - May 1, 2007 8:27 am (#1376 of 1652)

But if there was a bit of soul transferred to Harry, then that bit of soul might not have survived in Harry's body because of the protection and because of Harry's love. When Voldemort possessed Harry (OOP) he could not stay for long in his body, because he couldn't stand all that love. If Voldemort would not have his Horcruxes he might have even died. (this is a guess of course) Voldemort has transferred a bit of himself upon Harry, but I think that bit refers to powers, skills to use as weapons against Voldemort. The fact that Harry can transfer himself in Voldemort is one of those skills.

"in essence divided" might mean that the snake and Voldemort were in essence divided rather then Voldemort possessing the snake. That's the reason why DD thinks that the snake is indeed a Horcrux.

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MickeyCee3948 - May 1, 2007 8:44 am (#1377 of 1652)

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The same could be said for Voldemort and Harry!

Mickey

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PatPat - May 1, 2007 9:35 am (#1378 of 1652)

Assuming that Dumbledore wanted Harry to know that he was a horcrux. I believe that this was one fact that Dumbledore just couldn't tell Harry. He told him instead that he thought it might be Nagrini to put the idea in Harry's head that a living creature could be a horcrux. Mickey

I'm sorry, but, if this turns out to be true, I will be extremely disappointed in Dumbledore. He learned in OoP the consequences of keeping important information from Harry in order to protect him. I can't think of any more important piece of information than "Harry, you may be a horcrux." To tell Harry that he believes it might be Nagini hoping that Harry will realize it was some obscure hint, to me, seems foolish and reckless. I do not see Dumbledore as foolish and reckless. Dumbledore knew how important it was for Harry to find the horcruxes as quickly as possible in order to be able to vanquish Voldemort. I can't see him deliberately sending Harry on a wild goose chase. Just my two knuts.

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haymoni - May 1, 2007 10:24 am (#1379 of 1652)

I still think that Harry is an accidental horcrux and he won't figure it out until the final showdown.

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Joanne Reid - May 2, 2007 7:02 am (#1380 of 1652)

HI,

I thought it had been established that neither Harry nor his scar were Horcruxes.

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MickeyCee3948 - May 2, 2007 7:23 am (#1381 of 1652)

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NOPE! There are those of us who remain committed in our belief that Harry's scar is a horcrux and after the release of DH our belief will be confirmed.

Mickey

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Thom Matheson - May 2, 2007 10:11 am (#1382 of 1652)

Hey Mick, Can you smell that crow on my gas grill? UMMMM. Hee Hee

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Choices - May 2, 2007 12:50 pm (#1383 of 1652)

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LOL I still believe that Harry is a "Horcrux Free Zone", but just in case I'm (gulp!) wrong, I'm lined up by Thom's grill with my plate and spoon at the ready. LOL

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journeymom - May 2, 2007 1:28 pm (#1384 of 1652)

[Steps in line with Choices.]

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MickeyCee3948 - May 2, 2007 4:08 pm (#1385 of 1652)

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I'm taking orders. How do you'll like your crow? Of Course, if I'm wrong please make mine medium well. With a side or Hagrid's Cakes.

Mickey

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PatPat - May 2, 2007 5:20 pm (#1386 of 1652)

I guess I have to get in line, too, behind journeymom. But I think I will need lots of ketchup.

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 3, 2007 5:41 am (#1387 of 1652)

My comment about the blood link was to show there could be, and is, a way for Harry and Voldeort to be linked without Harry being a horcrux. Because Voldemort does not realise this, not understanding the ancient magic that is love, will help bring about his undoing.

No I am not going to join the queue for crow, I have better things to do between now and July 21st. But I will enjoy watching those who believe Harry is a horcrux chewing feathers.

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Bellatrix Lastrange - May 3, 2007 6:28 am (#1388 of 1652)

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I have revised my theory. Now, I believe Harry still is a Horcrux, but (not because of the prophesy) Neville will have to kill Voldemort. Why else is he in the books so much if he doesn't have a big role to play?

I have a question as well. What's with Harry's eyes? If my Horcrux theory is correct, Voldemort made his soul divide when he killed Harry's parents and marked Harry with his mom's eyes and the lightning bolt scar. The "eye thing" would make sense since Harry looks so much like James and Voldemort might not be able to find Harry when he was older since Harry was made a Horcrux as a baby. Which leads to my next question, was Lily a Death Eater and did she sacrifice Harry to be the Sixth Horcrux?

Maybe because Harry is a Horcrux, he shares Voldemort's powers. Also, Voldemort was not weakened because his "Avada Kedavra" curse backfired, maybe it takes a lot of strength to put a Horcrux into a person.

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KTO - May 3, 2007 9:59 am (#1389 of 1652)

It is my opinoin that the importance of Harry's eyes being the same as Lilly's is that Harry is going to be able to see Snape "through" Lilly's eyes and will therefore be able to see Snape for what he truly is, a wounded soul, one who deserves compassion and needs to be loved.

KT

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Luna Logic - May 3, 2007 1:28 pm (#1390 of 1652)

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Edited by May 3, 2007 1:36 pm
Prediction for Book Seven: I have decided myself. With Phelim's post about the "twinkle in DD's eyes" about the blood link, and Gusmania's post about "in essence divided" - which are two important elements in the plot - no need for Harry-is-a-Horcruxe...
I think the twinkle in DD's eye concerning Voldemort using Harry's blood for his rebirth is important. Could Voldemort have a link to Harry he doesn't realise in a similar way to Harry's scar? Or will Harry be able to hold and get to horcux without harm? Phelim Mcintyre 1365

there could be, and is, a way for Harry and Voldeort to be linked without Harry being a horcrux. Because Voldemort does not realise this, not understanding the ancient magic that is love, will help bring about his undoing. Phelim Mcintyre 1387

"in essence divided" might mean that the snake and Voldemort were in essence divided rather then Voldemort possessing the snake. That's the reason why DD thinks that the snake is indeed a Horcrux. gusmania #1376

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 4, 2007 6:58 am (#1391 of 1652)

Thank you for your faith in me Luna Logic.

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MickeyCee3948 - May 5, 2007 8:21 pm (#1392 of 1652)

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I have come to believe that a great number of the forum readers are going to be disappointed in DH. I don't see how JKR can possibly answer all of the questions we have come up with. The romances, the future careers and lives of our favorite characters, the background on Snape, Petunia, Dumbledore, how so many of the curses perform under different circumstances, the morality of the end results. If JKR was to answer all of the questions, the book would have to be 1200 or 1300 pages long at least and unfortunately we know that is not going to be the case. JM2K's

Mickey

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haymoni - May 5, 2007 9:15 pm (#1393 of 1652)

I think it leaves her room to write more books like QA and FB - loads of opportunity for her favorite charities to make some money.

I'd buy 'em!

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freshwater - May 6, 2007 8:40 am (#1394 of 1652)

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I fear that you are right, Mickey Cee....and I HOPE that you are right, haymoni! Just yesterday I was browsing the Lexicon and came across a section titled "What JKR Has Told Us About DH" (may not be an exact quote). It was a list of statements made during interviews and responses to fan questions. One statement was "I will leave some loose ends." Sad, but true.

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Madam Pince - May 7, 2007 11:24 am (#1395 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I saw the same (or similar) thing on JKR's website, freshwater. I hadn't visited it in awhile and so I was browsing it this weekend, and there was some quote where she said something along the lines of "I'm going to be leaving a lot of loose ends and so a lot of die-hard fans are still going to have lots to talk about even when the series has ended -- so don't close down those internet chat sites yet." Sounds like she was talking directly to us, doesn't it?

It would be kind of depressing, though, if she doesn't do some sort of follow-up book...

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Vox Gerbilis - May 10, 2007 7:54 pm (#1396 of 1652)

I'm hesitant to bring this up, fearing that I'm out of my Potter depth, but here goes:

I'm on board with the scar-is-a-horcrux theory. It explains why the scar acted as an emotional link to LV. I believe it's reasonable to assume that LV was saving Harry's murder as the opportunity to create the 6th horcrux, and the deposit of a soul fragment in Harry's scar when Lily was murdered was just another thing that went wrong for him that night. I don't buy the Nagini horcrux theory, partly because it seems out of character that LV would consider the murder of a lowly eavesdropping muggle sufficiently significant for a horcrux moment. I trust that none of this is controversial so far?

I also believe, however, that the scar horcrux was inadvertently destroyed when LV unsuccessfully tried to possess Harry at the end of OotP. This idea struck me when I was listening to the audiobook, and realized that the text says the scar "burst open." It got me wondering whether that text is more literal than might be assumed. That would also explain why the scar did not signal LV's emotions in HBP.

I'm relying on some non-textual reasons for my theory. First, I can't believe that Dumbledore is right on all four horcruxes. Second, I also can't believe that DH is going to involve four separate horcrux hunts. There's bound to be some shortcuts, such as discovering that one or more horcrux was already destroyed.

I've tried to read as many old posts as I could, but I don't recall seeing this one anywhere. I apologize if I'm inadvertently repeating someone else's theory. All right, have a go at me now.

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Madam Pince - May 10, 2007 9:57 pm (#1397 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Vox, that's an interesting idea. So far I've not been a fan of the scar=horcrux theories, but I have never liked Dumbledore's explanation of why Harry's scar didn't "work" in HBP -- it just seemed too... boring or something. If the "burst open" quote really was a horcrux being destroyed, it might make sense. Good thought!

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Choices - May 11, 2007 10:28 am (#1398 of 1652)

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Vox Gerbilis - "I don't buy the Nagini horcrux theory, partly because it seems out of character that LV would consider the murder of a lowly eavesdropping muggle sufficiently significant for a horcrux..."

First, the Nagini is a Horcrux theory is sort of the foundation for the possibility of Harry being one. Nagini as a Horcrux shows that a living creature can be a Horcrux - she is proof that it is possible to make a living thing a Horcrux. If she can be one, so can Harry.

Second, the old Muggle (Frank) that Voldemort killed was the former gardner and caretaker of the Riddle Estate. He was the last link Voldemort had to his Muggle father and grandparents. I think he might have seen that as significant.

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journeymom - May 11, 2007 11:14 am (#1399 of 1652)

Yes, but in the book Voldemort doesn't seem to know Frank Bryce from any other muggle. He repeatedly calls him muggle. In the movie he identifies him as the old muggle caretaker, to Wormtail.

I thought about that connection, too Choices; I just read that passage last night to Journeymom Jr, and it occurred to me that this guy Frank was Tom Riddle Sr.'s estate caretaker, there's a little link. But Tom/Voldemort hadn't met his father and grandparents at all before the night he killed them. He would never have met Frank Bryce.

Vox Gerbilis, I love the name. Does it mean 'voice of the gerbil'?

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PatPat - May 11, 2007 11:36 am (#1400 of 1652)

journeymom, I agree that Frank Bryce's death would not seem that significant for Voldemort. However, I think Dumbledore's theory was that Voldemort was still one horcrux short of his goal when he was ripped from his body. He may have used Nagini as a horcrux merely to complete his goal of seven as quickly as possible. I'm not sure whether I buy this or not, but I think that was Dumbledore's theory.

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gankomon - May 11, 2007 11:58 am (#1401 of 1652)
I also would tend to agree that although Frank Bryce's death is not that significant, the fact that it occurred at Voldemort's father's house may have contained enough significance for Voldemort to designate Nagini as his final Horcrux.

Bryce was the caretaker if I recall, thus killing him would eradicate the last link to Voldemort's Muggle family, while simultaneously fulfilling his intent to divide his soul into seven pieces. And if Dumbledore was correct that Voldemort was one horcrux shy of his seven-part goal when he failed to kill Harry, then the killing of Frank Bryce would be a possibility for that last horcrux to be created. It is my theory that because the killing curse failed, he could not have created a horcrux with it- only a successful murder would have sufficed.

I also consider the diary explanation to be relevant- Dumbledore reminded Harry that the diary, while insignificant in tiself, was proof that Voldemort was heir of Slytherin. Thus the Bryce connection to Voldemort's Muggle origins might provide significance for Voldemort to make that killing the occasion of creating his final horcrux. However, we are slightly off-topic here- my apologies.

For Book Seven, I expect both Hermione and Ron to survive. Harry's destiny is still obscure, but if he survives, I expect Ginny to do likewise. Based on the interesting cover art of the upcoming books, I would be unsurprised to see a confrontation in either a graveyard (Ms. Rowling's comment to the Azkaban film director about not having a graveyard in a particular spot) or possibly on a Quidditch field.

I also expect Fawkes to play at least some role in the final book- remember how he came to Harry in Book Two and Dumbledore's comment that only real loyalty to Dumbledore could have called him. Additionally, Fawkes has shown affection for Harry before, though to no other character that i can recall ( I do not have my set at hand to provide a reference, sorry).

My apologies for the length of this post- i shall strive for brevity in future.

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Vox Gerbilis - May 12, 2007 5:53 pm (#1402 of 1652)

Thanks for your input. Yes, Vox Gerbilis means voice of the gerbil. Gerbil is my husband's nickname for me (too hard to explain why).

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Vox Gerbilis - May 12, 2007 6:25 pm (#1403 of 1652)

If I may toss in some more general predictions . . .

LV will somehow learn the remainder of the prophesy, possibly by abducting Trelawney. Upon hearing the words "neither can live while the other survives," he will conclude that Harry can't be the chosen one, because both he and Harry have survived a few direct confrontations. He will decide that Neville was the chosen one, and that killing Neville will eliminate the one person with the power to defeat him.

Meanwhile, Neville will kill Bellatrix in a duel. This will reinforce LV's belief that he's been underestimating Neville all along. Neville also will learn the prophecy (perhaps he heard it when the jar smashed) and come to believe that it's up to him to rid the world of LV. The two will meet and duel, and LV will kill Neville. (I don't really like this at all! Neville is my favorite character!)

The bitter irony is that both misunderstood the meaning of the prophecy. Consistent with the choices theme of the theory, the line "neither can live while the other survives" means only that neither LV nor Harry will rest while the other survives, i.e., that they will both choose to pursue the other until one is vanquished.

Apologies if this has already been submitted.

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Sticky Glue - May 13, 2007 12:09 am (#1404 of 1652)

On a different note, I've been thinking more and more that Dumbledore will come back as a Phoenix. He will have used very old magic that no one else had remembered, and it will have come into play if he was killed by another wizard or witch.

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Madam Pince - May 13, 2007 9:29 am (#1405 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Good thoughts, Vox! Only one thing I thought of -- what about the "he will mark him as his equal" part of the prophecy? Was Dumbledore mistaken about the scar and all that? Or do you mean that Harry still really is the Chosen One, and only Voldy gets fooled because he doesn't figure out the "mark as equal" part?

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KTO - May 13, 2007 8:47 pm (#1406 of 1652)

I do not think that Frank was the final kill for a horcrux as I believe that Voldy "made" them all before he set off to kill Harry and his parents and/or that Harry was to be the final kill for # 7 and that voldermort soul was once again ripped, I do think that after the scene in the cemetery in GOF that the piece that was stored in Harry was released back into LV, leaving a search for four more, as the book, the ring and Harry are no longer carriers.

as an aside, I have read what Ms. Rowling did for the family whose daughter was abducted in Portugal and I would like to send her a round of applause, her actions give me faith in a world that at times seems to be on the brink of disaster.

Jo: may you continue to be blessed abundantly, you are a fine steward of the gifts that the universe has bestowed. many, many blessings and much peace.

KT

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journeymom - May 13, 2007 9:22 pm (#1407 of 1652)

Off to see what KTO is referring to....

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Vox Gerbilis - May 14, 2007 3:08 am (#1408 of 1652)

Madam Pince, my theory is more about how LV understands and interprets the prophecy than about what the prophecy actually means. If I'm right, LV will come to believe that Harry was not the Chosen One, and that his visit to Godric's Hollow was a waste of time because he should have been going after the Longbottoms. You ask how LV will square his new interpretation with the "mark him as his equal language." That's a good question, and I must admit, I had not thought that part through. Giving it some thought, I suggest that LV will think "Well, the Potter boy obviously isn't my equal, so that must not have happened with him. Perhaps then the Longbottom boy has powers that I know not (who would have thought he could kill Bellatrix), and he's the one destined to be marked as my equal, but not to worry because I'll vanquish him and then I'll be invulnerable."

Meanwhile, Neville will be thinking, "Uh oh, I'm the Chosen One, not Harry (gulp). I guess I have no choice but to try to take on LV for the good of the Wizarding World."

I can't say I like this theory, because I'd rather see Neville fight heroically, survive the war, and spend the rest of his life quietly growing magical herbs in the style of General Cincinnatus. But I'm sure the ambiguity of the "born as the seventh month dies" language will come into play, and as JKR has nixed the idea that Neville is the chosen one, I'm predicting that the story will turn on other characters' misinterpretation.

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PatPat - May 14, 2007 7:02 am (#1409 of 1652)

I do not think that Frank was the final kill for a horcrux as I believe that Voldy "made" them all before he set off to kill Harry and his parents and/or that Harry was to be the final kill for # 7 and that voldermort soul was once again ripped, I do think that after the scene in the cemetery in GOF that the piece that was stored in Harry was released back into LV, leaving a search for four more, as the book, the ring and Harry are no longer carriers. KTO

IF you are correct, there would only be three more horcruxes to find. The seventh part is stored in Voldemort's new body. Dumbledore believes that there are only SIX horcruxes, not seven.

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Choices - May 14, 2007 10:48 am (#1410 of 1652)

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Dumbledore believes there are six Horcruxes and the seventh part of Voldemort's soul resides in his rebirthed body.

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frogface - May 14, 2007 11:49 am (#1411 of 1652)

To add...Dumbldore believes there are FOUR horcruxes...he and Harry detroyed two.

With regards to Neville, my pet theory is that he will go on to teach either Herbology or DADA at Hogwarts and will become Head of Gryffindor House. And one day eventually become Headmaster, and will finally be able to escape from his Father's shadow

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gankomon - May 14, 2007 1:19 pm (#1412 of 1652)

Vox Gerbilis,

This in an intriguing theory. It is certainly true that Voldemort's interpretation of the prohecy has led him to make mistakes before. That being said, I do not believe that he will suddenly transfer his attentions to Neville. My rationale is that Neville has hardly even registered with Voldemort- only with Bellatrix, who of course is responsible for his parents' sad state. He has not faced Voldemort directly at all. Voldemort has been focused on Harry since Book One, and even though he has never heard the prophecy, there ought to be a surfeit of evidence that Harry is indeed the Chosen One- after all, he has escaped Voldemort now four times personally, one escape of which occurred in single combat with Voldemort himself (Book Four graveyard scene).

In addition, Neville is not currently one of Harry's companions in the horcrux quest. If Hogwarrts reopens, we must assume that he will return for his seventh year, whether Harry does or not. Neville may well be killed in Book Seven, but I would predict thatif that occurs, it would be in a scenario similar to that in Book Five (the Battle of the Ministry), not in a personal confrontation with Voldemort. I would not be surprised if he is responsible for taking out Bellatrix, however.

PatPat, If I recall, Dumbledore's suspicions for the six horcruxes outside of Voldemort's body were: 1. Slytherin's locket 2. Hufflepuff's cup 3. Marvolo's ring 4. the diary 5. something of Gryffindor/Ravenclaw 6. Nagini

I don't think Harry himself is a horcrux. Aside from Dumbledore's comments about the dangers of reposing a piece of soul in something that is a living creature, the killing curse that would have been needed to create the horcrux did not kill anyone- both Harry and Voldemort survived. Therefore, assuming Dumbledore is correct (and I, like Harry, trust that he was), then we do actually still have four horcruxes to find.

I have been combing through the books as it is my belief that we have encountered horcrux number five already. there were a number of named items in the Room of Requirement in Book Six, so it may possibly be thee (although i believe that the main purpose of that scene was to let us know what Malfoy was using the room for- recall the vanishing cabinet which Harry saw?). This would necessitate a return to Hogwarts.

I do not believe that Gryffindor's sword is a horcrux, since to our knowledge Voldemort has never been in a situation where he could actually make it a horcrux. If Dumbledore says he is confident the sword has remained secure, I would tend to take him at his word.

Mods- Should these musings on horcruxes perhaps move to another thread?

Regards,

gankomon
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PatPat - May 14, 2007 4:17 pm (#1413 of 1652)

Dumbledore believes there are six Horcruxes and the seventh part of Voldemort's soul resides in his rebirthed body. Choices

Isn't that what I said? Or were you just agreeing with me?

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Choices - May 14, 2007 7:15 pm (#1414 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Sometimes I'm not sure what I'm doing...LOL, but I think I was agreeing.... and yes, that is what you said. I could have been having a "senior moment" - who knows? LOL :-)

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PatPat - May 14, 2007 7:48 pm (#1415 of 1652)

LOL. Well, then I agree with you agreeing with me.

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Vox Gerbilis - May 15, 2007 5:53 pm (#1416 of 1652)

Gankomon,

Points well taken. With respect to Neville not registering with LV, however, I recall DD's explanation to Harry why LV chose to go after Harry, not the other boy born as July dies to parents who have thrice defied the dark lord. Neville must have crossed LV's radar screen at that point in order for LV to make the decision between the two boys. As for Neville not joining the horcrux hunt, I don't believe this is a necessary precondition for my theory, and even if it is, what's to stop Neville from joining? Neville took part in the battle at the DoM and he joined the fight when the DEs invaded Hogwarts. Besides, who knows but that an herbology expert might come in handy on a horcrux hunt?

You have pointed out one of the greatest weaknesses in the accidental scar-horcrux theory, but I'm surmising that LV ripped his soul by murdering Lily, and somehow the fragment lingered long enough to get deposited in Harry. Not a watertight surmise, I admit, but the best I can do.

P.S. I'm a Prisoner fan, too.

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gankomon - May 16, 2007 10:53 am (#1417 of 1652)

Vox Gerbilis,

Thank you. I agree that there is a definite possibility that Voldemort may target Neville at some point. It is quite true that Voldemort would have been aware of Neville, certainly when he was deciding as to which boy he went after.

Someone said this previously, but in all these theories, the greatest variable is how Voldemort interprets the fragment of phophecy he is aware of. We the readers are of course privy to the complete prophecy, but Voldemort is still unaware of it in its entirety. As Dumbledore reminded Harry in the Weasley broom shed, the only two people who know the complete prohecy are Dumbledore and Harry himself.

However, as Voldemort has focused on Harry for the majority of the series, I think it unlikely that with a single book remaining, he would suddenly refocus on Neville, who has so far been a fairly minor player, at least as regards Voldemort himself. And it is still questionable if Voldemort even regards Neville as a threat. Certainly none of Voldemort's Death Eaters would have high regard for Neville's skills, whereas Harry has already personally fought Voldemort to a standstill twice (failed killing curse in Book One, and the Battle of the Graveyard in Book Four). So I would think that Voldemort would still see Harry as the primary threat, not Neville.

That being said, I agree that Neville's involvement in the horcrux hunt is certainly not a precondition for his participation in the final showdown, and I do expect him to play a signifficant role. Your point about an Herbology expert perhaps being needed is also very true.

I think I may say that we agree that Neville will play a significant role in Book Seven, regrdless of his participation in the horcrux quest. I find your horcrux theories intriguing, and with your permission, I will post an answer to your horcrux theory over on the Horcrux thread.

Regards,

gankomon
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Vox Gerbilis - May 16, 2007 4:41 pm (#1418 of 1652)

By all means, comment on my horcrux theory on the other thread. I'll look forward to reading it.

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Soul Search - May 16, 2007 4:42 pm (#1419 of 1652)

Neville and the prophecy

I would have to predict a larger role for Neville in Deathly Hallows and a role related to the prophecy.

We still haven't seen much storyline develop from Neville fitting the prophecy. Why bother bringing it up if that's all there is? Neville fitting the prophecy is a "Chekhov's Gun" still waiting to be fired.

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Choices - May 16, 2007 6:07 pm (#1420 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think the gun has already gone off and it was a blank.

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wynnleaf - May 17, 2007 7:23 am (#1421 of 1652)

When did the Chekov's gun about Neville go off?

In other words, we have seen the "gun" in the form of having been told that Neville was born in July to parents that defied LV 3 times, and therefore could have become LV's choice, but did not. What's the point of this at all? Why did JKR have Neville be born in July? Why give LV the other choice?

The "gun" is that it is presented as important that there were two choices and LV chose Harry. Why is that important? We haven't been shown why it was important for Neville to have been the other possibility. To date, as far as the importance goes, the other child could just as easily have been John Smith who happened to move to outer Mongolia and has never been heard of since. In fact, as far as it being important, Harry could just as easily have been told that he was the only child that fit the prophecy, for all it seems to have mattered.

Why is it important that there was another choice, or that it's Neville? That's the part that hasn't been "fired" yet, and very well might be fired in Deathly Hallows.

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journeymom - May 17, 2007 11:48 am (#1422 of 1652)

What's the point of this at all? Why did JKR have Neville be born in July? Why give LV the other choice?

Why does Neville exist? To emphasis that LV chose Harry. He compared them and of the two, found Harry to be the greater threat. Chekhovs' gun went off when Voldemort chose Harry and attempted to kill him. As well, JKR refers to Neville as "the boy who was so nearly King". Also refers to Neville as an "also-ran" and a "might-have-been."

But she also said Neville does have a "significant part to play in the last two novels and the fight against Voldemort."

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Choices - May 17, 2007 11:58 am (#1423 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Wynnleaf - "Why give LV the other choice?"

Because these books are about choices - Voldemort had to have choices also.

Journeymom said it great in her post - I agree.

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wynnleaf - May 17, 2007 4:30 pm (#1424 of 1652)

Well, I guess I don't see that as a Chekov's gun going off, because basically we're told "Here's Neville. He was one of the choices. He wasn't chosen." And we're told that all at the same time. If that's the gun going off, it's not a Chekov's gun at all and maybe it's not. The whole thing of a Chekov's gun is that the reader is shown something and then nothing happens with it for awhile until eventually something does happen. If the only thing at all is "here it is, here's why, enough said," then it's not a Chekov's gun.

But like I said, if Neville being the chosen one isn't important other than LV making a choice, then why do we have Neville at all? Why couldn't he have been Joe Wizard who moved to Antartica the next year and isn't even in the story? But it must not be just that LV had a choice. We don't have to get to know Choice #2 as a good friend of Harry's in order for LV to have a choice. Why did JKR find it necessary to have the second boy be Harry's friend?

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Vox Gerbilis - May 17, 2007 5:24 pm (#1425 of 1652)

Wynnleaf, I agree, the Neville Chekhovian gun hasn't gone out. If the only purpose of the two-boys ambiguity in the prophecy was to give LV a choice, there's no reason to choose as significant a character as Neville for that purpose. The recurring theme with Neville is surprising potential. In PS/SS he starts out as a comic relief klutz; by the end, he's winning the points that make Gryffndor surpass Slytherin for house cup. In PoA, he's the one who finishes off the boggart. In GoF, we learn about his parents. In OotP and HBP, he joins the battle. His role in the prophecy must have some significance commensurate with this pattern. Jo's ruled out the possibility of his actually being the Chosen One, but that does not rule out the possibility that he and LV will mistakenly decide that he's the One, and act accordingly.

Neville's coming forward to take on LV in the mistaken belief that he alone has the power to do so would also resolve another question that's been lingering since PS/SS, namely, Why was Neville placed in Gryffndor and not Hufflepuff? So far, he has not fit the brave, dering-do Gryffndor image. His participation in the two battles was motivated more by a Hufflepuffian sense of loyalty and steadfastness than a taste for adventure or heroism. (I realize the same question might be asked about Ron.) Brazenly attempting to take on LV would fulfill his destiny as a Gryffndor.

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Choices - May 17, 2007 6:25 pm (#1426 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
There are lots of kids in Gryffindor that make you question the Sorting Hat's wisdom in placing them there. Look at Peter Pettigrew, look at Neville, look at Lavender Brown - these are hardly the bold and the brave.....well, Lavender is sort of bold. LOL But evidently the hat sees potential that we cannot see and makes it's placements accordingly. I think Neville is looking more and more like a Gryffindor, and in book 7 Peter may finally do something brave and noble.

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PatPat - May 17, 2007 6:50 pm (#1427 of 1652)

But like I said, if Neville being the chosen one isn't important other than LV making a choice, then why do we have Neville at all? Why couldn't he have been Joe Wizard who moved to Antartica the next year and isn't even in the story? But it must not be just that LV had a choice. We don't have to get to know Choice #2 as a good friend of Harry's in order for LV to have a choice. Why did JKR find it necessary to have the second boy be Harry's friend? wynnleaf

To show the contrast between the "Chosen One" and the almost Chosen One. To show the EFFECT of Voldemort's choice on both boys and to allow us (and Harry) to speculate as to what would have happened had Voldemort made a different choice. I don't think the announcement that there were two choices for the "Chosen One" would have had nearly the same effect had it been some character we had never heard of. I seriously doubt Voldemort is suddenly going to abandon his pursuit of Harry, who has now defied him FOUR times, (something no one else has done according to Dumbledore), and turn his attention to Neville, a boy who everyone believes (wrongly I think) to be without much talent. Neville will certainly have a large role to play in the final fight and it is certainly true that he is come far throughout the six books, but I don't see Voldemort suddenly focusing on him rather than Harry. But I could be wrong! I have been before.

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Soul Search - May 17, 2007 7:57 pm (#1428 of 1652)

Add to the situation the parallels between Neville and Harry.

Both have had to grow up without parents.

Neither had a good childhood environment: Harry with the Dursleys and Neville with his deprecating grandmother and relatives who threw him in lakes and hung him out of windows.

Neither showed much magic until they got to Hogwarts. Harry because he didn't know about magic, Neville because no one thought he had any.

Both end up in Gryffindor and become friends.
These parallels were put in the story to mean something. I just can't see what!

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gankomon - May 18, 2007 8:11 am (#1429 of 1652)

All,

SoulSearch's analysis is dead on the mark, in my estimation. The parallels betwen Harry and Neville are important to shoew the effects of our choices. Harry himself touched on this when he ruminated on how close Neville came and wondered if Neville's mother would have died for him as Lily did for Harry.

Rowling is well known for using Checkhovian devices throughoutn the series. Therefore, it is crucial to consdsider that one aspect of Neville's existence- to show the effect of choices has been revealed, or in Checkhovian parlance, fired. However, Neville's role may contain more guns that have yet to be fired. So I think it is premature to consider whether all the guns associated with Neville's character have been fired. Rather, it is my contention that Neville has a remaining role to play, and we are due for at least one more revelation as to his character.

Regards,

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Luna Logic - May 18, 2007 11:50 am (#1430 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
Edited by May 18, 2007 11:51 am
Gankomon: it is my contention that Neville has a remaining role to play, and we are due for at least one more revelation as to his character.
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frogface - May 21, 2007 11:31 am (#1431 of 1652)

I think Wynleaf is right. Why would JKR choose Neville to be the other choice for Chosen One? Why not Hermione, or Ron? Why not Dean or Seamus? Why not Draco!? Because they all have other roles to play, and this is Neville's role. I believe that he'll hear the Prophecy in Deathly Hallows. Whether or not he'll surmise that he is the one I can't say, but I do feel that if he heard the Prophecy we'd see the continuing changes in Neville come to fruition - He'll finally come into his own in book 7, and whether he survives or not he'll be a great Wizard. That is one of the few things I am sure of.

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gankomon - May 22, 2007 10:21 am (#1432 of 1652)

Luna Logic, I agree. Neville's skill at Herbology has already come into play once, when the false Moody lent him a book that would later become essential in Harry's successful passing of the Second Task (Book Four).

His role in the series as I see it is to slowly discover his own potential and also to highlight the difference that choices can make- his own destiny versus that of Harry. Throughout the series, we see Neville changing from a scared, near-Squib (Book Two, where he is buying all kinds of counter-charms) to a valiant, confident member of the DA in Book Five and Book Six (he is the sole remaining member of the DA standing beside Harry in the Battle of the Ministry, and only he and Luna answered Harry's call for help in Book Six).

If Neville's sole role was to denote the consequences of Voldemort's choice to attack Harry, then why has his character been so constantly developed? That makes no literary sense. He has also become closer to Harry through the books- remember how Harry deliberately avoided him in Diagon Alley in Book Three, yet was comfortable with sharing a carriage with Neville in Book Six. This would seem to indicate that Neville is becoming a more important member of the team, which would lead me to conclude that he will be an important player in Book Seven.

I cannot imagine Ms. Rowling giving his character such attention if he did not have a reamining purpose. Dean and Seamus are both in Harry's dormitory as well, yet they are not given nearly as much development. Neville is. Why, if it is not to play a role in the endgame? Thus I foresee that Neville will be in on the finale, and as a major player.

Regards,

gankomon
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Choices - May 22, 2007 12:20 pm (#1433 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Gankomon - "Neville's skill at Herbology has already come into play once, when the false Moody lent him a book that would later become essential in Harry's successful passing of the Second Task (Book Four)."

Actually, that is movie contamination. In the book it is Dobby who procures the gillyweed and gives it to Harry. Fake Moody did give the book to Neville and it was in the Gryffindor dorm, but Harry never bothered to ask Neville for advice.

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PatPat - May 22, 2007 5:00 pm (#1434 of 1652)

If Neville's sole role was to denote the consequences of Voldemort's choice to attack Harry, then why has his character been so constantly developed? That makes no literary sense. He has also become closer to Harry through the books- remember how Harry deliberately avoided him in Diagon Alley in Book Three, yet was comfortable with sharing a carriage with Neville in Book Six. This would seem to indicate that Neville is becoming a more important member of the team, which would lead me to conclude that he will be an important player in Book Seven. gankomon

I don't think anyone has said that Neville's sole role is to show the result of Voldemort's choice. Someone asked WHY JKR would choose Neville as the other possibility for the prophecy rather than some wizard we had never heard of. Several of us answered that it would not have the same impact if it were not a character we were familiar with and that having it be Neville allows for us to see the consequences of Voldemort's choice. But it seems that most of us agree that that is not Neville's ONLY purpose. He definitely has a role to play in the final book. He has clearly developed from a shy, seemingly unskilled boy to a very confident powerful wizard. In addition, we have seen HARRY's growing maturity through Neville. As you pointed out, Harry was embarassed by him and didn't want him around prior to book 6. But in HBP, he tells other students that Neville and Luna are his friends. Harry has learned what is really important in a person.

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Choices - May 22, 2007 5:06 pm (#1435 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Well said, PatPat. I totally agree. Neville has been a wonderful character since book one - he is very endearing and now that he is becoming more confident and powerful, you just want to cheer for him.

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PatPat - May 22, 2007 7:18 pm (#1436 of 1652)

Thanks, Choices! I'm with you. Neville is one of the most human of all JKR's characters and one that I think many of us can relate to. Most people have experienced some uncertainty or have felt unsure of themselves at some point in their lives. One of the greatest feelings is to be able to overcome these emotions and succeed. That is what we see in Neville. He's wonderful and I definitely think we will see more from him in DH.

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journeymom - May 23, 2007 5:04 pm (#1437 of 1652)

There's a facinating essay attempting to predict what the remaining horcruxes are. It's really pretty brilliant, though I should say I haven't finished reading it. That'll have to wait until I have a long stretch to my self.

"Of Horcruxes, Arithmancy, Etymology and Egyptology" -Hilary K. Justice. She's assistant professor of English at...Michigan? She origionally presented it at Phoenix Rising just a few days ago.

"Summary: Who's going to die? What is Snape's Patronus? What's up with the Horcruxes, and why is the World Mythology book stuck shut on J.K. Rowling's web site? Combining cognitive linguistics, historical mythology and mathematical semiotics, this essay proposes answers to these questions and argues that the answers have already been provided by Rowling in the first six books."

It's at the Online Wizarding Library, which is a fan fiction site, so you've been warned.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - May 23, 2007 8:36 pm (#1438 of 1652)

I think Dudley. will demonstrate magic later in life. I can't think of a better pay back to Vernon and Petunia. LPO

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Pamzter - May 23, 2007 9:39 pm (#1439 of 1652)

LPO - I beginning to agree. In fact I wonder if Dudley's worst memory when the dementors attacked him was perhaps a recollection of a moment of accidental magic that scared him -- of being like his cousin, or of fierce rejection by his parents. Or perhaps his parents saw it too and that's why they overcompensate - spoil - him, they do hate it when he gets angry.

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PatPat - May 24, 2007 10:10 am (#1440 of 1652)

That would make a lot of sense, LPO and Pamzter. Dudley and Harry are related so it is possible that Dudley does have the gene for magic. We know from Jo that someone will show magic later in life. Dudley's a good candidate.

BTW, LOVE the new avatar, journeymom. Yum!

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Madam Pince - May 24, 2007 10:55 am (#1441 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
That would be a classic.

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gankomon - May 24, 2007 11:19 am (#1442 of 1652)

journeymom (nice avatar, by the way)- I read that essay. Dr. Justice (of Illinois State University) makes an interesting argument that Snape has made an Unbreakable Vow to protect Lily's child. Certainly an Unbreakable Vow with Dumbledore as the Bonder would answer many questions. However, we would still be left with the question of why Snape would make such a vow. I remain somewhat skeptical, but there is no question that Dumebledore has usually been proven right, so I accept that his trust of Snape was well-founded. In any event I do not expect Snape to survive Book Seven.

On the question of the character who does magic late in life, I would think that perhaps Filch might be a possibility. Ms. Rowling has said of Dudley that thee is no backstory, what you see is all there is (sorry- can't recall the source). So I would tend to discount Dudley. i agree however that it would be highly amusing.

Regards,

gankomon

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journeymom - May 24, 2007 1:23 pm (#1443 of 1652)

Avatar- thanks! I plan on enjoying the movie even if it is of epic length and kind of a mess. One more chance to see Depp at his swaggering, swishing, swashbuckling best!

I finished reading the essay, and I think the connection to the story of Osiris and Isis to James's and Lily's deaths is brilliant. It fits. But I agree with reviewer who pointed out that Anubis's attributes apply perfectly to Sirius Black. One has to really stretch to get Anubis to fit Snape.

And while I don't necessarily subscribe to the idea that Harry's destruction of each horcrux is going to require somebody else's death (the indemnity), it's notable that JKR's wizard of the month, Helga Hufflepuff, looks and sounds so much like Molly Weasley. I really don't want Molly to die. But maybe she'll have a near death experience connected to Hufflepuff's cup.

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gankomon - May 24, 2007 2:03 pm (#1444 of 1652)

journeymom,

I do have one small quibble with the theory however. the timeline doesn't match. If we accept the information in canon, it appears that Dumbledore was convinced of Snape's loyalty well before the Potters were killed. The theory of the Unbreakable Vow seems to depend on Snape making his vow after realizing he had provided the information that betrayed the Potters, thus the timeline provide by Rowling would seem to not fit.

I like the idea of the cup being concealed at Hogwarts, and the trophy room does seem to fit. I question whether Riddle's Special Services award is the trophy though we have so little information about what the horcrux curse requires that it is certainly possible for Voldemort to have made the cup a horcrux, then replaced the original award with the Transfigured cup. The question then would be when he had an opportunity to perform the replacement.

For me, the identification with Egyptian mythology and etymology was a stretch. While we know that Rowling has used mythology (specifically Celtic) in the matter of the wands, I have never seen it suggested that she incorporated Egyptian etymology. She tends to use Latin, not Egyptian in her invented vocabulary. Thus I think it more likely that she took the "Hor" prefix used for horrific references and mated it with "crux". She has done similar things previously, but never has used Egyptian etymology to my knowledge. This does not disqualify the theory of course, but based on Rowling's past trends, I find it extremely unlikely.

Regards,

gankomon

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journeymom - May 24, 2007 4:07 pm (#1445 of 1652)

Horcrux = Horace I agree, I think the etymology is simpler than that. I also agree that it stems from the word "horror". The horcrux procedure is horrible. Horace Slughorn was horrified that Tom Riddle even inquired about it. I also disagree that the word "crux" refers primarily to "the crux of the matter". It primarily refers to what the spell does, which is to cross a soul bit with an object.

Jo has used a pantheon of Classical mythology, though I agree, I can't remember finding any referrence to Egyptian mythology so far. But the story of Osiris and Isis fits well. Perhaps the one referrence to Egyptian myth has been there all along, unnoticed by most of Jo's fans.

"In the myth, Horus is born to Isis and Osiris. The evil god Set murders Osiris and divides him into seven pieces, which he hides in various locations along the banks of the Nile. Horus, being far too young to avenge his father, is kept hidden, under his mother’s protection, until he reaches maturity. In some versions of the myth, he reassembles the pieces of Osiris (who remains dead but ascends to the sky) (in other versions, this task is performed by Isis); in all versions, Horus meets Set in a final aerial battle. For this battle, Set assumes the form of a serpent, and Osiris assumes the form of a winged beast with the body of a lion and the head of a hawk. In other words, a gryphon. In the Ancient Egyptian battle of Gryffindor and Slytherin, Gryffindor wins." -Of Horcruxes, Arithmancy, Etymology and Egyptology, Hilary Justice

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Nathan Zimmermann - May 26, 2007 9:15 pm (#1446 of 1652)

Journeymom, a bit of Egyptain mythology was used during the duel between Dumbledore and Voldemort in the batlle in the DoM.

Also I would assert that When Dumbledore calls Voldemort Tom during their duel in the DoM, that he is attempting to restore Voldemort's true name and create in a sense a cartouche

A person's name (ren in Egyptian) was given to them at birth and would live for as long as that name was spoken, which explains why efforts were made to protect it, placing it in large amounts of writings. For example, part of the Book of Breathings, a descendant of the Book of the Dead, was for ensuring the survival of the name. A cartouche (magical rope) was often used to surround the name and protect it for eternity. Conversely, the names of deceased enemies of the state, such as Akhenaten, were studiously hacked out of monuments. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_soul

as demonstrated by this passage from OotP:

Dumbledore had drawn back his wand and waved it as though brandishing a whip. A long thin flame flew from the tip; it wrapped itself around Voldemort shield and all. For a moment, it seemed Dumbledore had won but then the fiery rope became a serpent which relinquished its hold upon Voldemort at once and turned, hissing furiously to face Dumbledore. (OotP Large Print Edition page 1147)

The fiery rope that surrounded Voldemort in this scene reminds in a me of a cartouche. These are some examples of cartouches: personalwebs.myriad.net/steveb/egypt/18th.jpg.

Dumbledore's attempt to restore Voldemort's true identity as Tom Marvolo Riddle, through the use of the name Tom and the spells Dumbledore used on Voldemort, during their duel in the Department of Mysteries were attempts to create cartouche in a sense because, if Dumbledore could restore Voldemort's true name he could temporarily check Voldemort to allow Harry time enough to preapre for the final confrontation by sapping Voldemort of his strength and diminishing his potency as a wizard. Indeed I am reminded of a line from the movie adaptation of the novel Eragon

The thing is the word. Know the word, and you control the thing.

Several months ago Phoenix pointed out that the Tom Riddle's alteration of his name to Voldemort could be viewed as an attempt to elevaate himself from an ordinary wizard to a godhead.

Perhaps Dumbledore attempted to acomplish the task of diminishing his increased power but failed to complete the task

By knowing the right spells and the right words to speak and the proper order in which, to speak them, Harry will be able to defeat Voldemort because he will able to achieve control over the situation completing Dumbledore's task and ultimately fulfilling his own destiny.

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Luna Logic - May 29, 2007 11:45 am (#1447 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
A small item to add to the "egyptian connexion": Bill Weasley was (working?) in Egypt and the Weasley family did go there in PoA.

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Veritaserum - May 30, 2007 6:37 pm (#1448 of 1652)

Go Jays!
I noticed as I was reading this thread (which was for a long time) that while I find it entertaining to read all of your predictions, I find it hard to make any myself. There are lots of things that I couldn't see happening, and some things I can, but JKR has surprised me in every book that I couldn't really make any conclusions about what I expect. I guess I have complete trust in JKR and I'm more looking forward to the ways in which she defies all of our predictions and comes up with something entirely new. My favorite example is Scrimgeour. First, with the description, everyone had a theory for who it was. Everyone had a theory for who the new Minister of Magic would be. But nobody I saw predicted that the two were one and the same, and nobody saw the name Scrimgeour coming out of obscurity, and that's what I loved about it.

That said, some basic things I predict: Voldemort will be defeated. He will be wiped out of the world, how, I'm not sure, but I do not think he will become a Muggle, because I think he would still be too dangerous. Harry might be forced to sacrifice himself, but if he does die, I don't think he will stay dead (or all dead at any rate). Filch + Madam Pince, just for comic relief. Madam Pince is not Snape's mom, just because that seems too complicated and important to have been hidden for 6 books. Snape is more concerned with himself than either side of the war, but in the end, will probably prove Dumbledore's trust. Lupin will not die. I don't think Hermione and Ron will die, but as for who will, I'm a little afraid to think about that.

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journeymom - May 31, 2007 3:09 pm (#1449 of 1652)

Over on the Poll thread Me and My said, I also don't think Vold has as much control over her as we've been led to believe.

If this is so, and I agree it is, then Nagini will turn away from LV, probably at Harry's suggestion. LV rules his supporters with fear and coercion, and probably with the Unbreakable Vow. One by one all of LV's supporters will fall away or turn away and he'll be left to face Harry alone. Harry, by comparison, has been making friends, earning people's love and loyalty, like Dumbledore did. Harry will be surrounded by supporters with good will.

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M A Grimmett - Jun 1, 2007 1:59 pm (#1450 of 1652)

That's a good point, Journeymom. Plus Dumbledore said that it may have been unwise to make a living thing a horcrux, if in fact she is. Voldy will be regretting the transfer of some of his gifts to Harry big time. Without the Parceltongue, Harry wouldn't have a chance with Nagini.

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Veritaserum - Jun 2, 2007 1:12 pm (#1451 of 1652)
Go Jays!
Do you think that with the events in the cave, Voldemort has been tipped off that Harry knows about the Horcruxes? Maybe not, since he apparently didn't notice when RAB broke into the cave. But maybe he found out based on what happened on the tower and at Hogwarts. Or maybe Snape (if he's really a bad guy) gave him information that he interpreted to mean Dumbledore told Harry about the Horcruxes. If he does somehow know, that would definitely add a sense of urgency and suspense as Harry tries to hunt them down under V's own nose.

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freshwater - Jun 8, 2007 9:08 am (#1452 of 1652)

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OK, the artwork for the deluxe edition from Scholastic was revealed this morning. **so sorry that I do not know how to do a link!** It shows H/R/H sitting on the back of a dragon, flying in very hilly or mountainous land with a village at the bottom in the bend of a river. Their cloaks are very tattered.

Let the predictions begin!

First the most obvious: the dragon is Norbert from SS/PS.

The style of the village buildings leads me to guess the setting to be eastern European rather than Scotland....what do you think?

The state of their cloaks leads me to believe this scene occurs later in the book, rather than earlier.

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Joanne Reid - Jun 8, 2007 12:46 pm (#1453 of 1652)

HI,

The red tile roofs are common throughout rural Europe. This could be France or Italy, too.

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journeymom - Jun 8, 2007 2:41 pm (#1454 of 1652)

Little Hangleton is supposed to be on one side of a river in a valley. I think it's Little Hangleton.

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Madam Pince - Jun 8, 2007 5:33 pm (#1455 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Drat! My internet has been down all day. I just came from the other Book Seven thread, and I was going to come over here and make a bold prediction that the Trio ride a dragon at some point during DH!

I predict that the village is Godric's Hollow. Just because we haven't been there yet, and this place appears to be in a hollow. And the whole thing ought to end where it started, maybe.

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Veritaserum - Jun 8, 2007 9:50 pm (#1456 of 1652)

Go Jays!
I too thought it might be Godric's Hollow. Also interesting to note was that Ron and Hermione were wearing robes while Harry wasn't. Were those robes their school uniforms, meaning Harry hasn't been there? Also, I guess it's not too surprising that there's a dragon, since they've been featured already in a few of the books. Norbert would be so cool, but I thought he was green? Maybe that's just how I imagined him.

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frogface - Jun 9, 2007 2:16 am (#1457 of 1652)

If you look closely, you'll see that this Dragon does actually have darkish green scales. However, I thought Norbert was black? It could be a Common Welsh Green.

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PatPat - Jun 9, 2007 10:44 am (#1458 of 1652)

Norbert was a Norwegian Ridgeback, which according to Fantastic Beasts "resembles the Horntail in most respects, though instead of tail spikes it sports particularly prominent jet black ridges along its back."

It sounds like Norbert would be black with black ridges. The dragon on the cover definitely doesn't look black. The best guess I've seen so far is that it's an Opaleye, as they are supposed to be not particularly aggressive.

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freshwater - Jun 9, 2007 11:11 am (#1459 of 1652)

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I immediately thought of Norbert when I saw the dragon...and, like veritaserum, I'd always pictured him as green--is that contamination from too many fairy tale illunstrations? Also, if Norbert is a Norwegian Ridgeback, wouldn't he be blue? (maybe that's movie contamination!)

Finally, whether it is Norbert or not, I've read far too many books where is illustrators are far more talented than accurate --as in following the author's descriptions-- in their portrayals, so that we may not be able to trust the coloring to reveal this dragon's identity.

I will predict that the trio go to Romania to obtain a dragon from Charlie, and perhaps travel to Durmstrang to get assistance from Victor Krum. I also predict that the international magical relations formed during the Tri-Wizard Tournament will come back into play as a variety of factions unite to vanquish LV.

BTW, has anyone located the house-elf (from the UK cover) in this illustration? I have not, but wonder if he is tucked out of sight or simply not with the trio at this time?

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frogface - Jun 10, 2007 3:20 am (#1460 of 1652)

immediately thought of Norbert when I saw the dragon...and, like veritaserum, I'd always pictured him as green Veritaserum is described in OotP as being a clear liquid, like water, and "Harry thought it looked like a crumpled, black umbrella." Philosopher's Stone page 171 Hardback Bloombury Children's Edition. This suggests to me that Nobert is black, not green.

Finally, whether it is Norbert or not, I've read far too many books where is illustrators are far more talented than accurate --as in following the author's descriptions-- in their portrayals, so that we may not be able to trust the coloring to reveal this dragon's identity.

Normally I would agree with you, however Mary Grandpre is known for being very accurate when it comes to her Illustrations. When the HBP art work was released alot of people noted that Dumbledore was holding his wand in his left hand - suggesting that something was wrong with his right. I dismissed this at the time thinking that people were reading too much into it, and I was 100% wrong So it goes to show that we should take note of all the details.

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Greyback Hunter - Jun 11, 2007 1:35 pm (#1461 of 1652)

'Normally I would agree with you, however Mary Grandpre is known for being very accurate when it comes to her Illustrations.' If she is that accuarate then how come she always seems to depict Snape as a balding man with a beard?

Anyway - has anyone entertained the possibility that the dragon MAY be an animangus? Perhaps either Madame Maxime or even Viktor Krum may be an unregistered animangus.

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freshwater - Jun 11, 2007 3:06 pm (#1462 of 1652)

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frogface wrote: "...however, Mary Grandpre is known for being very accurate when it comes to her illustrations."

Good point, frogface. The man interviewed on the Today show did not mention the illustrator by name, and somehow I got the idea that it was done by some random artist.

Greyback Hunter, the idea of an animagus is intriguing....but I thought that an animagus could not transform into a magical animal...? Not sure where I got that idea, though...

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Stringer - Jun 11, 2007 5:43 pm (#1463 of 1652)

In listening to HBP today I’ve had some ideas slide through my mind. They have become loose theories I have for book seven. They may be a little sketchy, but bear with me. I believe Dumbledore sacrificed his life for Harry’s, giving him further protection for Voldermort. Dumbledore had the opportunity to defend himself, and yet gave up his wand in order to protect Harry by concealing his presence. I do not know exactly how this protection will work, but I do know Dumbledore loved Harry, and his sacrifice was for Harry’s sake, and not so Harry could be used as a tool to save the world.

Snape killed Dumbledore reluctantly. He does not see Harry’s potential as Dumbledore does. The anger we see from Snape at Dumbledore is due to his belief Dumbledore is wrong to ask him to do such a thing, and that he is wrong about Harry’s ability to kill the dark lord. He makes these statements while fleeing Hogwarts-“No Unforgivable Curses from you Potter!” “You haven’t got the nerve or the ability-“(HBP 602). Even so he follows the charge to continue to help Harry towards his goal, even coaching Harry during his flight from Hogwarts. I believe he will open the pathway toward Voldermort. I do not believe he will lead Harry to the Horcrux.

I was struck by these statements made by Dumbledore. “In spite of all the temptation you have endured, all the suffering, you remain pure of heart, just as pure as you were at the age of eleven, when you stared into a mirror that reflected your heart’s desire, and it showed you only the way to thwart Lord Voldermort, and not immortality or riches. Harry, have you any idea how few wizards could have seen what you saw in that mirror? ““You have flitted into Lord Voldermort’s mind without damage to yourself, but he cannot posses you without enduring mortal agony...” “I do not think he understands why, Harry, but then, he was in such a hurry to mutilate his own soul, he never paused to understand the incomparable power of a soul that is untarnished and whole.” (HBP 511). . This made me wonder if Harry were to stand again in front of the Mirror of Erised if he would see the location of the horcruxes. I feel Harry will continue to lose the people he loves. They will also give their lives for him, as Lilly and Dumbledore have. When the final battle takes place at the veil, they will call Harry. His heart will be flooded with love and longing to be with them. He will have no fear of death, he will long for it with purity, and in that moment Voldermort will be rendered helpless against him. Maybe the flood of love will appear in the song of the phoenix, for if love ever had a song; it surely came forth from a phoenix.

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journeymom - Jun 11, 2007 10:24 pm (#1464 of 1652)

This made me wonder if Harry were to stand again in front of the Mirror of Erised if he would see the location of the horcruxes.

I like this!

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Choices - Jun 12, 2007 8:09 am (#1465 of 1652)

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But, the mirror shows you the most fervent desires of your heart. I don't think the locations of the Horcruxes would qualify. Finding them is just a job to Harry - something he must do to ever have peace in his life. I think Harry would still see his family - maybe with Ginny and some children included, happily facing a Voldemort-free future full of love and contentment.

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journeymom - Jun 12, 2007 10:21 am (#1466 of 1652)

when you stared into a mirror that reflected your heart’s desire, and it showed you only the way to thwart Lord Voldermort, and not immortality or riches.

If Harry looks in the Mirror again, after the horcruxes and Voldemort are all destroyed, then I imagine, yes, he'll see himself with Ginny and a pack of children. But he can't have that desire until he's finished his first job. Finding the Philospher's Stone in the Mirror was just a job, too, as much as finding the horcruxes is just a job. They're THE most important jobs Harry has.

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M A Grimmett - Jun 12, 2007 1:34 pm (#1467 of 1652)

I can't see where JKR would continue to have protection heaped on Harry by people dying. I've always thought the mother's love protection is something rare and precious. I think that Dumbledore was already dying as a result of the drink going after the horcrux, and Snape just finished him off. It seemed to me that DD wanted Snape to do it, thus protecting Malfoy from having to kill. Malfoy might be a Death Eater, but he hadn't killed anybody yet, and I think DD wanted it to stay that way.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jun 12, 2007 1:57 pm (#1468 of 1652)

This made me wonder if Harry were to stand again in front of the Mirror of Erised if he would see the location of the Horcruxes. Stringer

I like that idea! It would speed things up a bit. Dumbledore only found one real Horcrux in several months (years ?) of searching. Harry found the diary by accident. I'm very curious about how Harry is going to get the remaining four in a years time and vanquish Voldemort. It is going to be a page turner! LPO

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haymoni - Jun 14, 2007 6:54 pm (#1469 of 1652)

Would that be Harry's true heart's desire? It may be what he wants at the moment, but his life is a bit more complicated right now.

Would it be seeing Voldy dead? Dumbledore back? Life with Ginny?

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jun 14, 2007 8:39 pm (#1470 of 1652)

Haymoni I think his hearts desire is to destroy Voldemort so he and everyone else can get on with their lives. He knows in order to do that the Horcruxes must be destroyed firs. Though life with Ginny and having a family of his own would be right up there. LPO

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journeymom - Jun 15, 2007 10:16 pm (#1471 of 1652)

How weird is it that portable, waterproof fires are a speciality of Hermione's? I mean, that's pretty handy if you go camping. But at what other instance would one need portable, waterproof fire? The Lexicon says, "[bluebell flame] Creates a quantity of blue flame which can be directed to a specific place." Hermione "cast a bluebell flame that could be carried around in a jam jar, sent out a short distance, then retrieved into the jar; she used it to set Snape's robes on fire during the first Quidditch match of her first year (PS11)." "Hermione used this spell against Devil's Snare when working through the challenges surrounding the Philosopher's Stone." The discussion over at the WOMBAT thread got me thinking about this.

Waterproof fire? There has been no need for waterproof fire yet. She didn't need waterproof fire to set Snape's robes on fire, nor when she conquered the devil's snare.

So maybe the Trio will go back to the Cave. Perhaps Hermione will use her special bluebell flames to ward off the inferi that are floating in the lake.

I know I've discussed my idea somewhere. Perhaps it was just with my daughter, but maybe it was here. If so, I'm sorry! But I think it's a neat idea, so I wanted to put it on the list of predictions.

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Choices - Jun 16, 2007 8:21 am (#1472 of 1652)

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I think this was the same fire that Lupin conjured on the train to light up the compartment when the Dementors searched the train.

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Sticky Glue - Jun 16, 2007 2:14 pm (#1473 of 1652)

Hermione used the water proof fire in the toilet (full of water) when they were making the polyjuice potion. So it has been used as water proof at least once to my memory.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jun 17, 2007 11:32 am (#1474 of 1652)

The concept of waterproof fire reminds me of Greek (Byzantine) Fire, was only inflamed by the addition of water and could only be quenched by use of dry sand or dirt.

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freshwater - Jun 17, 2007 4:46 pm (#1475 of 1652)

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NZ, where did you learn about Greek/Byzantine fire? I'd like to check it out.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jun 17, 2007 8:40 pm (#1476 of 1652)

Edited Jun 17, 2007 9:23 pm
Freshwater, the story of how I learned about Greek fire is a long and boring one, however I can provide some links to research the material.

Greek fire (n.): 1: a mixture used by Byzantine Greeks that was often shot at adversaries; catches fire when wetted

Callinicus of Heliopolis

600?-700?

Syrian Architect and Inventor

Callinicus (also spelled Kallinikos) was born in the Syrian city of Heliopolis sometime in the seventh century. Little is known regarding his life, and if it were not for one significant invention, he would have been just one of the billions of forgotten people in history. Callinicus, an architect by trade, is credited with the invention of Greek fire. This military weapon was a highly combustible material that, once explosively expelled from a cannon-like barrel onto enemy troops, ships, or buildings, was nearly impossible to extinguish. It was a secret weapon of the Byzantine Greeks and was instrumental in many of their military conquests.

Around the time Callinicus was born, there was significant hostility between the Arab and Byzantine empires. This would eventually spill over to his hometown of Heliopolis in Syria, where Callinicus was an architect and inventor. In order to flee from the advancing onslaught, he escaped from Syria and made his way to Constantinople. Callinicus was still concerned about the advancing Arabs, however, as he had evacuated his city just months before the battle of Yamuk. He was concerned that not only would the Arabs capture his beloved homeland, but possibly his newfound country as well. Thus, it seems that this Jewish refugee began to experiment with various combinations of chemicals to develop a weapon that would help defend against the Arabs. Callinicus eventually hit upon a specific combination of materials that was so insidious and effective that it helped to change the course of history. He had invented a weapon known as Greek fire, and delivered its formula to the Byzantine emperor.

The exact composition of Greek fire is unknown. It was kept as a closely guarded state secret with only the emperor and the Callinicus family who manufactured it knowing the formula. Despite the fact that the exact makeup of Greek fire still eludes our detection even today, it is assumed that it was a mixture of naphtha, pitch, sulfur, possibly saltpeter, and possibly some other unknown ingredients. When exposed to air, the mixture spontaneously burst into fire and could not be extinguished with water. In fact, this substance would burn even when submerged in water. There were few known substances that could extinguish it, with sand and urine being the two most common. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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Mediwitch - Jun 18, 2007 9:30 am (#1477 of 1652)

"We could have all been killed-- or worse, expelled!"
I wonder if magnesium was a part of it? Magnesium fires cannot be extinguished with water - it's pretty incredible to watch the results when you try!

Dumbledore gave the giants a gift of Gubraithian fire - everlasting fire again...hmmm....and fire to keep the inferi and Devil's Snare at bay...

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Breck Breckenridge - Aug 7, 2006 10:49 pm (#1478 of 1652)

I can't read all 1400+ entries on this thread! So sorry if I am re-hashing something. I was "gathering wool" the other day and a thought came to me (as they often do when I am wool-gathering, it's kind of a meditative state :-), and the thought was...

Will Harry live or die? Well JKR's favorite author is Jane Austen, and Austen's books ALWAYS had a happy ending.

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mona amon - Jun 20, 2007 8:50 pm (#1479 of 1652)

But Breck, no one important has ever died in a Jane Austen book, while JKR has been killing off at least one important character for each book since GOF. I feel that the Jane Austen books are, broadly speaking, comedies, while the Harry Potter books lean more towards tragedy, so it isn't really safe to predict a happy ending for Harry based on the Austen books.

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legolas returns - Jun 20, 2007 11:49 pm (#1480 of 1652)

Some how I dont think the end will be "they lived happily ever after". It would be nice .

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jun 21, 2007 8:41 am (#1481 of 1652)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
" I feel that the Jane Austen books are, broadly speaking, comedies, while the Harry Potter books lean more towards tragedy, so it isn't really safe to predict a happy ending for Harry based on the Austen books."

I feel that JKR's books are more in line with "real life", that's what keeps us more in tune, than say a fairy tale?

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Erika Gryffindor - Jun 21, 2007 9:30 am (#1482 of 1652)

Needs Harry Potter Anonomys
But we do know the last sentance of the book now don't we? At least according to JKR... A scar is just a scar (I believe that's the quote, please feel free to correct me, I am sleep deprived)

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Steve Newton - Jun 21, 2007 9:46 am (#1483 of 1652)

Librarian
I have never heard that. What I remember is that the last word is 'scar.'

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Jenniffler - Jun 21, 2007 10:24 am (#1484 of 1652)

Searching for gold in the HP world. Oh, here it is!
Erika, "A scar is is just a scar." Is a good conjecture. Too Freudian for my tastes, but you still have me wiggling my eyebrows like Groucho Marx.

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Choices - Jun 21, 2007 1:27 pm (#1485 of 1652)

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I'm with Steve - I too think the last word is scar.

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Madam Pince - Jun 21, 2007 2:09 pm (#1486 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
The Mugglenet book What Will Happen In Harry Potter 7 quoted a 1999 People magazine article about JKR, and said "...the last word in Book 7 is 'scar.'" (I assume in the interview it was JKR speaking, but I do not have the interview in front of me.) I've never heard anything from JKR giving the last full sentence, just that quote about the last word being "scar."

I've seen several publications lately that say JKR has "told" us that two major characters are going to die in the last book. Does anyone else besides me wonder about this? I think her exact quote was "...a couple..." and she didn't specifically say "two." Now granted, technically "a couple" ought to mean "two," but I know when I speak casually and use the term "a couple" I mean that to be something more than one, but less than, say, five. JKR seems to me to be pretty notoriously inexact about things (like characters' ages, what exact dates had full moons, whether or not a certain date fell on a Friday, etc...) so I really hesitate to predict for Book 7 that exactly two major characters will die. Any thoughts on that?

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legolas returns - Jun 21, 2007 2:16 pm (#1487 of 1652)

Two is two many in my opinion.

There is also the other definition of a couple i.e partners

e.g Mr and Mr Weasley, Remus and Tonks.

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Breck Breckenridge - Jun 21, 2007 2:42 pm (#1488 of 1652)

Maybe no one dies in an Austen novel but that does not mean that JKR can't use the over all gist of Austen in regards her happy endings.

A couple usually means two in my Lexicon. John Granger has it that two main characters die, Fred and George.

Austen's books comedies?! Not Pride and Prejudice, at least. And the HP books are all about prejudices: giants, half-breeds, muggles, Durleys against magic, Slytherins by Griffindors, and so on.

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Erika Gryffindor - Jun 21, 2007 3:49 pm (#1489 of 1652)

Needs Harry Potter Anonomys
Yes I knew the last word was scar, let me see if I can locate the source of the remaining part I read. I'm not sure where I read it, I'm all over the place.. lol

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PatPat - Jun 21, 2007 5:09 pm (#1490 of 1652)

From Accio Quote: "The final chapter is hidden away, although it has now changed very slightly. One character got a reprieve, but I have to say two [main characters] die that I didn't intend to die.” JKR (emphasis mine

This is the source of the "two characters" that keeps being thrown around. However, IMO, this means AT LEAST two characters will die. There may be others that will die that Jo intended all along. This quote just says that there will be two who will die that she didn't intend originally.

*shudders as she thinks about the possibility that more than two characters will die**

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mona amon - Jun 21, 2007 8:26 pm (#1491 of 1652)

Austen's books comedies?! Not Pride and Prejudice, at least. (Breck Breckenridge)

Well I did use the words "broadly speaking", because it is too simplistic to classify a complex work as just 'comedy' or 'tragedy', but Jane Austen's books definitely belong to the comic category. Her pages sparkle with wit, irony and satire. She takes a rather pitiful state of affairs and instead of showing indignation, she prefers to criticise through laughter. And I'd say Pride and Prejudice is a very good example of this.

Maybe no one dies in an Austen novel but that does not mean that JKR can't use the over all gist of Austen in regards her happy endings.

Nor does that mean that she will! I just feel that we cannot predict Harry's ultimate fate based on the endings of novels that JKR admires.

However, IMO, this means AT LEAST two characters will die. There may be others that will die that Jo intended all along. This quote just says that there will be two who will die that she didn't intend originally. (Patpat)

I totally agree with this interpretation of Jo's words.

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Madam Pince - Jun 22, 2007 12:46 am (#1492 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Thanks for that quote, PatPat. Wow, I would've bet my copy of DH that I'd seen it as "a couple"! Maybe I read a mis-quote somewhere.

And I agree with your interpretation -- two that she didn't originally intend, but that's not to say there won't be others that were planned all along. Yikes!

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freshwater - Jun 22, 2007 5:58 am (#1493 of 1652)

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Breck B., I must agree with mona amon: Austen's novels may not be "comedy", but they contain liberal amounts of humor, for example, Mrs.Bennet and her fainting fits, Mr. Collins (he should count twice!), even Bingley's obnoxious sister who is the catalyst of one of my favorite lines "She was left with all the satisfaction of having forced him to say what gave no one any pain but herself"....LOL. :-D

I must also agree that JKR's enjoyment of Austen's work is a rather thin thread upon which to base a prediction of a happy ending for DH. Of course, I am definately on your side in wishing for a happy ending for those characters we grown to love....all those predictions that Remus and/or Tonks will die just make me cringe!...not to mention Harry's fate. We'll just have to keep our fingers crossed --and maybe brew ourselves a batch of Felix Felicis-- for 29 more days.

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PatPat - Jun 22, 2007 10:49 am (#1494 of 1652)

Thanks for that quote, PatPat. Wow, I would've bet my copy of DH that I'd seen it as "a couple"! Maybe I read a mis-quote somewhere.

And I agree with your interpretation -- two that she didn't originally intend, but that's not to say there won't be others that were planned all along. Yikes! Madam Pince

No problem, Madame Pince. And thanks for supporting my interpretation (and you too, mona). I really hope that I am wrong about there being more than two, but I think it is a definite possibility. Jo has said that this is war and we are dealing with evil. Unfortunately we may have to accept the fact that we are going to lose more beloved characters. But, I DO truly believe that Voldemort will be vanquished in the end. Whether Harry will survive it or not is another matter. I hope so, but I'm not counting on it.

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Breck Breckenridge - Jun 22, 2007 8:40 pm (#1495 of 1652)

Ah! if you mean that kind of humor in Austen, then plenty of that in HP! I simply am saying that I do not believe that Joanne Rowling is going to devote 7 long books building up a hero that kids can identify with (these are or were Children's books originally you know) and then kill off the hero at the end. Sort of like "Take that kids!". Sorry I hold Jo in higher esteem than that.

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freshwater - Jun 23, 2007 7:28 am (#1496 of 1652)

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Well, BB, with that arguement you and I are in complete agreement....it was your original idea that Harry would live because JKR liked Austen's happy-ending works that didn't make sense for me.

And humor...that is definately one of the best things about JKR's work: frequent and often subtle humor. Like this:

"Hermione! You're ruining the best moment of my life! I want to fix that in my mind forever; Draco Malfoy, the amazing,bouncing ferret!" (spoken by Ron in GoF; from my memory...may not be an exact quote)

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legolas returns - Jun 23, 2007 8:51 am (#1497 of 1652)

Whatever happens to Harry in the end Voldemort has to be defeated otherwise JKR would be a complete persona non gratia (sp?). I am not suggesting that Harry remains totally unscathed. He might defeat Voldemort and then get fatally wounded/injured/insanatised by a death eater in a revenge attack-even though I pray that does not happen. There are so few stories out there where evil completely trounces good or vice versa. There will always be pockets of resistance whereever. If Harry beats Voldemort there will still be dark wizards out there. It might put dark wizards in disarray for a while but they will reorganise.

My best scenario-Voldemort defeated/some death eaters killed/some of the good guys killed (we know that 2 main characters die)/Harry really badly injured but somehow pulls through.

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Madam Pince - Jun 24, 2007 12:52 pm (#1498 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I'm going to add to my "Predictions for Book Seven" that we'll find out something very surprising about Lupin. I've been reading a theory 'way back on the Lupin thread that was expounded upon by wynnleaf (regarding a possibility that Lupin may turn traitor to the "good guys") and I have to say that it has some very good points supporting it. There have long been a lot of things about Lupin that just didn't "sit right" with me for some reason, including the odd look on his face when Harry mentions hearing James' voice, and also why he just "forgot" that he hadn't taken his wolfsbane potion that night in the Shrieking Shack in PoA. Reading this theory has made me think even more.

I don't know exactly what it is that we'll find out, but I think it's going to be something surprising. (How's that for a nebulous prediction?) I was never as enamoured of Lupin as a lot of readers, so it wouldn't upset me for him to become a traitor -- I think it would be a very cool unexpected twist to the storyline.

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Veritaserum - Jun 24, 2007 2:01 pm (#1499 of 1652)

Go Jays!
Oh no, I would be so sad if Lupin turned traitor! Your points do seem to make sense though... However, I also think Dumbledore was really the only one who accepted Lupin and gave him a chance, so what would he be hoping to gain from turning on that?

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Madam Pince - Jun 24, 2007 2:36 pm (#1500 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I'm thinking something "Star Wars-ish" along the lines of "Join me and I can reverse the werewolf effect" or similar. From what we know in canon, it's the only thing I can think of that Lupin would yearn for enough to possibly be turned. But as I say, I'm rather expecting some surprise that we wouldn't expect. (That's contradictory, isn't it? Whatever...)

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Veritaserum - Jun 25, 2007 1:54 pm (#1501 of 1652)
Go Jays!
I read more about the Lupin-traitor theory and I think there were a lot of really well made points, but I just feel like Lupin is too intelligent and has seen too much to know that joining Voldemort won't solve anything. BUT, I suppose I could see him making some seemingly harmless mistake that comes back to bite him big time, like what nearly happened in POA.

I must say I am most excited for the surprises. One of the things that made reading HBP so fun for me was having read all the predictions on the forum and seeing almost all of them proven wrong. I think Jo is a master of coming up with things we wouldn't expect.

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Vox Gerbilis - Jun 25, 2007 6:53 pm (#1502 of 1652)

I also cannot see Lupin turning traitor. Although his moral weaknesses are not negligible, they do not bring him anywhere near embracing evil outright. He's also far too insightful and intelligent to be duped into supporting LV.

Has anyone considered the possibility of Tonks turning traitor, possibly out of a sense of outrage over the discrimination Lupin faces from the wizarding world? It does not seem likely, but the thought keeps popping into my mind. If she did, I could see Lupin looking the other way or concealing her duplicity from the Order.

I agree with those who say that if a character turns traitor in DH, we will realize in retrospect that JKR has been laying a foundation all along. On these lines, Mundungus seems a likely possibility. In GoF, Mundungus's mendacity gets comic treatment when he makes an outrageous claim for his damaged tent. In OotP, his slipperiness starts to become more malevolent, when he leaves the scene just before the dementors appear, and when he leaks information about the DA. In HBP, it becomes still more egregious, when Harry discovers that he's stealing Sirius's possessions. And of course there's the implication that he might have stolen the locket horcrux. All this sets the stage for his doing something actively treasonous in DH.

On the other hand, Mundungus turning traitor does not have a great deal of dramatic impact. We already know he's slimy; we just don't know how slimy.

Note that JKR has already used this humorous foible to malevolent character fault progression with Percy's reverence for rules and authority.

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Joanne Reid - Jun 26, 2007 11:03 am (#1503 of 1652)

Hi,

I'm wondering about Percy Weasley. He's been headed down the wrong road for a very long time. I could see him becoming indignant over the celebrity of Harry and the percieved ill-treatment of Cornelius Fudge and Dolores Umbridge. He might also feel that his family has unjustly wronged him, both holding him in contempt and up to ridicule.

The final straw will be Bill's wedding. Will Percy be invited? If not will this figurative slap in the face seal his fate? If he is, and he does come, will there be an incident that might also seal his fate?

In this regard, I would guess that Mundungus is a foil, while Percy is a real and present danger.

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Paul Potter - Jun 26, 2007 11:08 am (#1504 of 1652)

Maybe Percy will be in danger and Harry will save his life as he did fo at least half of the Weasley family and so he will be in Harry's debt

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M A Grimmett - Jun 26, 2007 2:04 pm (#1505 of 1652)

James, Sirius, and Lupin all hated the Dark Arts. I can't imagine anything that would make Lupin betray everything. Percy is seen as kind of a traitor by his family, but his failure is to place the Ministry, and the importance his employment there gives him, over his family: their lack of money and the ridicule his dad inspires for being so fond of Muggles. I don't think he's fundamentally evil, like a Death Eater, but his aspirations and pride are his downfall. The Ministry is against LV, so Percy is as well. The traitor seems likely to be a member of the Order: which member could do that? Mundungus does seem the most likely candidate.

With DD dead, what happens to the secret of the meetingplace of the OotP?

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Paul Potter - Jun 26, 2007 2:09 pm (#1506 of 1652)

We are not told where the meeting place of the OOTP is in HBP maybe they didn't use Just one place now.

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Madam Pince - Jun 27, 2007 4:55 pm (#1507 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Here's my latest new prediction for DH:

About Slytherin's locket -- it just occurred to me ( I'm a bit slow sometimes) that men don't usually own lockets. Certainly the one on the Bloomsbury adult cover looks quite feminine. Apparently the locket does have a clear connection to Salazar Slytherin, though. So I'm thinking we will find out about some female that held a close place in Slytherin's heart (his mother, and he kept her locket as a reminder of her? he gave a locket with his initial to his wife and/or true love? perhaps his daughter?)

Somehow this will all tie into the "love theme" of the books. (Up until now I have had a hard time picturing Slytherin loving anybody, but who knows...)

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journeymom - Jun 28, 2007 12:53 am (#1508 of 1652)

Madam Pince, your post points out that Salazar Slytherin must have had children, if the Gaunts were related and Tom Riddle was his heir.

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Madam Pince - Jun 28, 2007 8:02 am (#1509 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Yes, I knew he had to have had children if there was an "heir of Slytherin," but that doesn't necessarily mean he had a true love. However, giving a gift of jewelry usually implies some sort of loving emotional attachment -- that was the part I had a hard time picturing from Slytherin.

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Choices - Jun 28, 2007 8:40 am (#1510 of 1652)

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I never got the impression that Slytherin was a very loving guy. He couldn't get along with his fellow founders - he built a secret chamber and housed a "monster" in there so that one day it could kill all the mudblood and half blood children in the school. Yep, he soulds like a real sweetheart to me. I would bet he created the locket and wore it himself.

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journeymom - Jun 28, 2007 2:00 pm (#1511 of 1652)

I mention Slytherin's child(ren) because it hadn't even occured to me until then that he must have had children! Just one of those basic connections!

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Madam Pince - Jun 28, 2007 3:40 pm (#1512 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Don't you just hate those *d'oh!* moments! Welcome to my world -- I have them all the time!

So we know Tom Riddle was an heir of Slytherin's -- do we know for sure there's only the one? What do we know of James Potter's heritage? Tom said in CoS that he and Harry resembled each other physically in many ways, Harry and he could both speak Parseltongue, their wands (which apparently chose them) are brother wands. All this (except physical resemblance) could maybe be explained by the "connection" between Voldy & Harry that happened with the rebounded AK and the scar, but what if Harry is also an heir or Slytherin's? JKR spent a good bit of time talking about pure-bloods intermarrying and so on. Dumbledore said only a true Gryffindor could've drawn the sword in the Chamber, but does that mean a Gryffindor heir? Maybe Harry's related to both Slytherin and Gryffindor -- one of Slytherin's grandsons married one of Gryffindor's granddaughters or something? Just think, probably the closest thing to "royal" blood in the magical world, and raised by a couple of muggles like the Dursleys?

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PatPat - Jun 28, 2007 5:03 pm (#1513 of 1652)

So we know Tom Riddle was an heir of Slytherin's -- do we know for sure there's only the one? Madam Pince

We have only Dumbledore's statement in CoS that Tom Riddle was the "last remaining ancestor of Salazar Slytherin." Have we ever figured out if the word ancestor was a mistake or deliberate? Did Dumbledore/JKR mean descendant? If so, I would assume that Harry cannot be descended from Slytherin.

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Choices - Jun 28, 2007 5:54 pm (#1514 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think it was determined to be a mistake. It should be "descendant".

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Madam Pince - Jun 28, 2007 6:13 pm (#1515 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Oops. I forgot about that. Yes, I think she said in an interview or on her site that it was supposed to be "descendant." (Yet another *d'oh*...)

So, never mind... In this case, I'll take Dumbledore's word. (But I still think he's mistaken about the Nagini horcrux...)

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Hagsquid - Jul 2, 2007 1:54 am (#1516 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Edited Jul 2, 2007 2:36 am
I'd like to reestablish my theory that Hagrid is the Giant Squid. . . I don't care what FB says. Razz

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freshwater - Jul 2, 2007 7:17 am (#1517 of 1652)

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But, Hagsquid....how do you explain the times when both Hagrid and the G.S. appear together...as in the time Dennis Creevey --as a first year-- made the trip across the lake with Hagrid, and the Giant Squid pushed Dennis back into his boat? Polyjuice? Maybe...but do giant squid have hair...or fingernails? Inquiring minds want to know...

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Hagsquid - Jul 2, 2007 11:31 pm (#1518 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
1. Dennis only *thought* it was the Giant Squid.

2. It's actually one of the things that made me think Hagrid was the Giant Squid originally. It would have been easy for Hagrid to jump into the water to save Creevy, transform, save him, transform back, and get out of the boat.

And it wouldn't be the first unregistered animagi in the books, and who would have more of a reason than Hagrid to be an unregistered animagi. He loves fantastical beasts, and he was expelled, so he would not be allowed to pursue the task through legal means, but it wouldn't be the first time he pursued a magical task illegally.

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Choices - Jul 3, 2007 11:22 am (#1519 of 1652)

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Nope, I think it would have been rather obvious if Hagrid had jumped overboard. The wake alone would have swamped all the little boats. I think the kids would have noticed and put two and two together. I think the Giant Squid is just going to turn out to be the Giant Squid. That's my prediction and I'm sticking with it. LOL

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Hagsquid - Jul 3, 2007 12:00 pm (#1520 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Well, it's probably a safe bet, since it's what FB says. Razz

I still like my theory more though. Wink

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PatPat - Jul 3, 2007 5:17 pm (#1521 of 1652)

Interesting theory Hagsquid (I guess it's no mystery where your username comes from!). But, I, like Choices, think it would have been a little obvious if Hagrid had jumped overboard and transformed into the giant squid. Also, JKR has said that Hagrid is not very good at magic, as he only had 3 years of Hogwarts. The animagus transformation is supposed to be extraordinarily difficult. I don't think Hagrid could manage it.

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Hagsquid - Jul 3, 2007 5:36 pm (#1522 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
I composed an entire theory about why I thought it was Hagrid at one point. I think it's lost in the Hagrid thread. . . The main reason was the "Giant" part of the Giant Squid. All animagi are supposed to reflect the characteristics of their original wizards.

The other reasons include: Harry not seeing the Giant Squid during the underwater GoF scene. The Giant Squid "playing" with students in... drat... I think it was OP.

And there's a part where Harry sees the Giant Squid playing in the water, and then heads for Hagrid's hut. When he gets there, Hagrid is soaking wet. When he saw the squid, he said, loudly enough for the squid to hear him I assume, that HRH should go see Hagrid. This all happened during the "Dumbledore is the giant squid" phase of the lexicon forums.

FB says that the Giant Squid was a pet of a previous headmaster who was at Hogwarts before Hagrid would have been alive, thus defeating my theory, but I'm going to go ahead and be a Fudge about the theory, choosing to ignore proof and logic, and just decide that I'm right.

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Choices - Jul 3, 2007 7:02 pm (#1523 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Well, you have to admire someone with such determination! :-)

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 3, 2007 8:46 pm (#1524 of 1652)

I wish one of Harry's generation would become an animagus. It would be interesting to see the process. Don't think it will happen. LPO

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Hagsquid - Jul 3, 2007 10:56 pm (#1525 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
If it does, I'm hoping for Ron to become a lion animagi. Wink

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totyle - Jul 3, 2007 11:14 pm (#1526 of 1652)

Hey..here's a thought. Perhaps that's what POA movie was foreshadowing...doesnt Ron roar like a lion in the dorm after taking the whaddyercallem sweets...

I really really doubt it though..and I usually believe most of the 'wild' theories floating around!

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Hagsquid - Jul 4, 2007 12:06 am (#1527 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Yes, yes he does. I thought about it too. ^^ It fits perfectly.

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Hagsquid - Jul 4, 2007 2:06 am (#1528 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Found the exact quote...

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Apparently, there's several things. [=

Jo Rowling: Alfonso had good intuition about what would and wouldn't work. He's put things in the film that, without knowing it, foreshadow things that are going to happen in the final two books. So I really got goosebumps when I saw a couple of those things, and I thought people are going to look back on the film and think those were put in deliberately as clues.

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freshwater - Jul 4, 2007 8:26 am (#1529 of 1652)

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Hagsquid wrote: "....thus defeating my theory, but I'm going to go ahead and be a Fudge about the theory, choosing to ignore proof and logic, and just decide that I'm right."

LOL!! I love your phrase to "be a Fudge about it" and also that you are deliberately "choosing" to maintain your belief despite a lack evidence! Leaving Min. Fudge out of it, I think you've stumbled on the definition of 'faith'. And, this is, IMHO, a wonderfully mentally healthy --not to mention Gryffindor-like-- stand to take, when done in moderation. I salute you! :-D

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Hagsquid - Jul 4, 2007 8:38 am (#1530 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
I was hoping someone would enjoy reading that as much as I enjoyed writing it. [=

I'd like to add an official prediction (based on others' input throughout the forums.)

There's something going on between Snape and Tonks.

To go even further... I think that Tonks is somehow related to DD, and Snape has a "thing" for her. Maybe meeting HRH gave her some insight to what a prat Snape really is, and it caused problems (maybe a divorce) between Tonks and Snape--thus explaining why Tonks was so wonky in HBP; eventually Tonks ended up falling for Lupin for whatever reason--keep in mind that this would have happened over the course of two years; HP5 and HP6. The first part of the prediction is the part I'm official about, this paragraph is far-fetched, and a shot in the dark.

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freshwater - Jul 4, 2007 9:03 am (#1531 of 1652)

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Oh, I can't agree with you on this one, Hagsquid. **shudders at the thought of Tonks/Snape**shudders again!!** She is too, too perfect for Remus and he deserves her. Snapes deserves...well, this is a family-friendly forum so I won't be able to finish that thought....although it would involve something /worse/ than being married to Umbridge!

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Hagsquid - Jul 4, 2007 9:05 am (#1532 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Oh. Don't get me wrong. I've been in the Tonks/Remus 'ship since the inception of the idea.

I just think there's more to Tonks/Snape than we're currently exploring. I think it's obvious that Tonks and Remus are definitely going to get together. Smile

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 4, 2007 8:00 pm (#1533 of 1652)

Tonks is pretty young. She may have had Snape as a teacher at Hogwarts. I think when Snape made the comment about her patronus he was being his usual nasty self to a former student. LPO

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Choices - Jul 4, 2007 8:12 pm (#1534 of 1652)

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That's an interesting thought LPO. I had not considered before that Snape might have taught Tonks.

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 5, 2007 8:20 am (#1535 of 1652)

I didn't know where else to put this. The following is from JKR interviews concerning Snape.

1999-JKR: OK. Snape is the - er - very sadistic teacher loosely based on a teacher I myself had, I have to say. Erm .. I think it ... Children are very aware - and we ... we're kidding ourselves if we don't think that they are - that teachers do sometimes abuse their power and this particular teacher /does/ abuse his power. He is not a - he is not a particularly pleasant person at all. /However/, everyone should keep their eye on Snape, I'll just say that, because there's more to him than meets the eye, and you will find out part of what I'm talking about if you read book four. And no, I am not trying to drum up more sales; go to the library and get it out, I'd rather people read it.

2003-Stephen Fry: Yes, and even in the books there is a certain flair. Most characters like Snape are hard to love but there is a sort of ambiguity – you can’t quite decide - something sad about him – lonely and it’s fascinating when you think he’s going to be the evil one a party from Voldemort obviously in the first book then slowly you get this idea he’s not so bad after all. JK Rowling: Yes but you shouldn’t think him too nice. It is worth keeping an eye on old Severus definitely!

Stephen Fry: Now, Snape, we talked about him a little before, there’s something about letter “s”, isn’t there especially with that ”n” with it, you can’t help saying it without sneering or snarling… Snarl, sneer… JK Rowling: Snake! I could have very easily called him, Snicket instead but it’s a funnier, kinder word so I didn’t.

The thing we learn about Snape in GoF is that he is both a DE and working for Dumbledore as a spy.The interview with Stephen Fry was done after OoP and we are already aware that Snape is in the Order and is a spy for Dumbledore yet,she is warning that we shouldn't think he's too nice and went on to say "snake" Is this a clue that he is an untrustworthy snake in the grass?

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 5, 2007 10:06 am (#1536 of 1652)

Great quotes Madam Pomfrey! I think snake in the grass is a good one. LPO

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Luna Logic - Jul 5, 2007 1:22 pm (#1537 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
Perhaps in 2003 she was just preparing us to the Book six : and Snape seemed a real bad guy in this one... But now we are going to book seven. Finally, in each book she makes us suspect Snape to be the bad guy of the book...

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M A Grimmett - Jul 5, 2007 1:40 pm (#1538 of 1652)

What hits me now is when she says "Keep an eye on Snape" most of us have been thinking about him as a bad actor, regardless of what DD said. Only DD seemed to trust him. His actions at the end of Year 6 seem to confirm this opinion. I think the curve ball will be that he comes out good. Not squeak-clean, goody-goody, cause who would believe that?, but solidly against LV and his gang of delinquints.

I also am thinking about how only one of Harry or LV can live. That's the prophesy, right? DD never set much store by the prophesy; Harry comes along to this line of thinking because of course a courageous, committed person is going to work to end LV. So what if this whole prophesy is bunk? Obviously, both of them have survived the whole time, Harry due to his mom and the actions of himself and the people around him, LV because of the whole Horcrux thing. The reason LV wants Harry dead is because he believes the prophesy. He hasn't heard the whole thing and won't unless Harry tells him. His fear created his worst enemy. what if the prophecy turns out to be a red herring?

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journeymom - Jul 5, 2007 2:39 pm (#1539 of 1652)

Age isn't an issue between Tonks and Snape, as Snape is the same age as Lupin. My inner fan girl loves this 'ship. Heaven knows, a lot of fan fics were inspired by that one scene in "Snape Victorious". But I think that JKR has made it clear that none of her characters will be romantically involved with Snape. You have to turn Snape into someone else entirely in order to sustain such silliness!

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Hagsquid - Jul 5, 2007 10:47 pm (#1540 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Edited by S.E. Jones Jul 6, 2007 11:02 pm
I've decided to defeat this theory on my own. I thought it was random that Snape mentioned Tonks' new Patron, and we didn't know why Tonks was contacting him. I'm now reading HBP again, and I found the part where he sees it.

She sends a patron meant for Hagrid, and Snape intercepts it. The patron is about finding Harry on the train, and heading to the front gates with him.

Oh well. Fun while it lasted. Smile

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PatPat - Jul 6, 2007 7:12 am (#1541 of 1652)

I've decided to defeat this theory on my own. Hagsquid

LOL!! Been there, done that!

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Esther Rose - Jul 6, 2007 7:30 am (#1542 of 1652)

Okay this has no support what so ever.

We will find out that the argument between Dumbledore and Snape in HBP was because Dumbledore requested Snape to continue Occulmency lessons with Harry if anything should happen to Dumbledore.

This same request was made again on the lightening struck tower before Snape AK'd Dumbledore.

There is no canon to support this. It's just a big fat guess.

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M A Grimmett - Jul 6, 2007 8:58 am (#1543 of 1652)

When asked by the chat show host whether the word “scar” was still the last word in the book, as had been reported, she said: “Scar? It was for ages, and now it’s not.

“Scar is quite near the end, but it’s not the last word.”

JKR has changed the last work in the book. I found it here:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19631825/

And...“When I finished one chapter near the end I absolutely howled,” she told the BBC television presenter.

Get the hankies ready!!!

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 6, 2007 9:04 am (#1544 of 1652)

The Leaky also has the article. UK fans can watch the interview today. I'm jealous. Hard to believe it is almost over. LPO

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M A Grimmett - Jul 6, 2007 9:06 am (#1545 of 1652)

It's going to be rough. Just about two and a half weeks left.

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PatPat - Jul 6, 2007 10:05 am (#1546 of 1652)

Actually, 2 weeks and one day, M A!!! ***Hyperventilates with excitement***

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Esther Rose - Jul 6, 2007 10:51 am (#1547 of 1652)

Two weeks and less than a half a day here.

Not that we are counting or anything.

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M A Grimmett - Jul 6, 2007 11:26 am (#1548 of 1652)

Anybody know how many minutes and seconds? ;-)

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PatPat - Jul 6, 2007 11:39 am (#1549 of 1652)

20, 721 minutes and 45 seconds here in Florida. 44, 43, 42, 41, ....

Couldn't resist, MA!

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Veritaserum - Jul 6, 2007 1:25 pm (#1550 of 1652)

Go Jays!
It's unbelievable that it's almost here...

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Predictions for Book Seven (Post 1551 to 1600)

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freshwater - Jul 6, 2007 3:25 pm (#1551 of 1652)
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M.A. Grimmet, PatPat and Esther Rose, you little clock-watchers, you! Your last few posts made me LOL! Thanks! :-D

One quibble with your theory, Esther Rose....why would DD ask Snape --while on the tower where Snape was about to kill him-- to continue to teach occlumency to Harry, knowing that if Snape killed him (DD, that is) Snape could hardly stick around?

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Mediwitch - Jul 6, 2007 4:24 pm (#1552 of 1652)

"We could have all been killed-- or worse, expelled!"
OK, I'm gonna stick my neck out a bit - I never do predictions because I'm worse than Trelawney! I'm re-reading OoP, and I think there will be something with a metamorphmagus in DH. Don't ask me what, because I haven't a clue! It's just that Jo has a way of bringing things back again, especially two books later (i.e. "young Sirius Black" and his motorcycle in SS/PS, who later became the Prizoner of Azkaban).

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PatPat - Jul 6, 2007 5:33 pm (#1553 of 1652)

OK, I'm gonna stick my neck out a bit - I never do predictions because I'm worse than Trelawney! Mediwitch

LOL. Actually, Mediwitch, I have a feeling that we are going to discover that there is more to Trelawney's predictions than meets the eye. (Would you call that a prediction prediction?)

I like your idea. It seems to me that JKR brought up metamorphmagi for a reason. We will either discover that someone else is one that we didn't know about OR Tonks' abilities will come into play.

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Mediwitch - Jul 6, 2007 8:30 pm (#1554 of 1652)

"We could have all been killed-- or worse, expelled!"
Actually, PatPat, I agree with you about Trelawney!

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freshwater - Jul 6, 2007 8:30 pm (#1555 of 1652)

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"...or Tonk's abilities will come into play."

Hmmm...well, other than her entertaining Hermione and Ginny with different noses, and appearing to be an old lady to escort Harry to King's Cross (or was it the Knight Bus?) we haven't seen Tonks use her abilities for any really important reason. I agree that JKR will likely find a good use for her special skills in DH.

Wait...I should add that the /absence/ of Tonks' metamorphing skills in HBP was yet another important indicator of the essential role of emotion in using magic....something else that will undoubtedly be important in DH as Harry seeks to get rid of LV.

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PatPat - Jul 7, 2007 7:51 am (#1556 of 1652)

I found this article on cnn.com entitled "Rowling wouldn't kill Harry Potter, would she?" It details a discussion between various English Professors regarding whether the death of Harry would make literary sense. Some believe that it would follow classic literary patterns, such as the death of major Greek heroes at the height of their powers (Hercules, for example). One professor, however, Philip Ray, at Connecticut College, feels that Harry's death would be a weird ending for the series.

" 'The books are about Harry's development into a young man,' Ray said.

'For Rowling to have put Harry Potter through all seven volumes just to kill him off, the point of all development would be wasted,' Ray said. 'Death strikes me as being the strangest ending of all.' "

This is precisely how I feel. The main themes of the books are about choices making you who you are and the development of Harry and co. into maturity. He's been through tremendous hardship and sacrifice, but has learned to do what is right rather than easy. I was just thinking last night that his development is a work of pure genius. Harry is a relatable and realistic character. For him to die at the height of his development, to me, would cheapen the message that has been given throughout the series. However, I do agree with this quote by Lana Whited, a professor at Ferrum College in Virginia:

"If Harry doesn't die, one of his friends will." One of Ron or Hermione will be sacrificed.

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Veritaserum - Jul 7, 2007 1:02 pm (#1557 of 1652)

Go Jays!
PatPat, that's true, it does make a lot of sense that Harry would not die. The stories are essentially a coming of age story with a bit of adventure, mystery, and magic added to it, and I guess that wouldn't really work if it was ending in death.

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Soul Search - Jul 7, 2007 3:06 pm (#1558 of 1652)

Killing Harry would basically be saying "fight evil and you die." Not a very good lesson to promote.

Better would be "fight evil, win, and you live happily ever after.

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Vox Gerbilis - Jul 7, 2007 3:26 pm (#1559 of 1652)

I haven't read the article, but I agree with the substance of PatPat's summary. Harry has not been a tragic hero with an ultimately fatal flaw. Rather, he's been steadily growing and improving. In GoF, he was dependent on others' advice, but in OotP, he was taking on a leadership role in organizing the DA and leading the expedition to the MoM. In OotP, he was a bundle of raging emotions, in HBP, he was learning to handle himself with grace. From a literary perspective, it just doesn't make sense to kill him off.

However, it makes literary sense to kill off someone he loves to underscore the magnitude of the evil enemy he must fight. He's already lost Sirius and Dumbledore, and that was just in the preliminary phases of the battle. Someone very close to him will have to go in DH to bring this pattern to its climax. Hagrid and Ron seem the most likely candidates.

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PatPat - Jul 7, 2007 3:34 pm (#1560 of 1652)

:sigh: Those are the exact two characters I had in mind, Vox. I really, really hope that we are wrong about this, or I am going to have a harder time reading DH than I did HBP with the death of my favorite character, Dumbledore. But, as JKR has pointed out, we are dealing with pure evil here. The death of someone close to Harry makes sense in more ways than one. It may just be the impetus he needs in the final battle.

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Vox Gerbilis - Jul 7, 2007 5:40 pm (#1561 of 1652)

I'm trying to reassure myself that it can't be both Hagrid and Ron. If they both die, the book may overshoot the hard-hitting range and end up in maudlin territory. In any event, I'll be stocking up on Kleenex on the 20th.

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freshwater - Jul 7, 2007 8:00 pm (#1562 of 1652)

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Several months ago I became convinced that Ron would die, perhaps after some weakness or even betrayal (I love Ron, but his reactionary temper and impulsiveness have been thoroughly documented). Once JKR stated that "2" characters who she'd long thought would survive, would instead die, it wasn't much of a stretch for me to feel that Hermione would also die. As much as I hate the idea of depriving Harry of his two primary friends, there are several (relatively) good reason for this to be the case:

1) the loss of both Ron and Hermione would certainly be tragic enough to impress upon the readers the depth of the evil that Harry is battling, as well as the potential of a very heavy risk/cost when making the choice to do what is right rather than what is easy.

2) having Hermione survive Ron seems to me to be placing her in a sort of emotional-widowhood, which is too tragic for her young age and inappropriate for a good portion of the readership (meaning those younger than, say 25ish (don't ask me why that number, it's any arbitrary one based only on my personal experience of being widowed at age 41).

Finally, as devastating as it would be for Harry to lose these two friends, he has not been "alone in the world" for some time now. He is firmly entrenched as part of the Weasley family, come what may. He has Ginny, who has already demonstrated the persistence and strength of her feelings for him. And, just as important, Harry has acquired a variety of other friends --from Remus and Tonks, to McGonagoll, Moody, the remaining Weasley brothers, Neville and Luna, many of the Gryffindors, etc.-- who will maintain their support for him. Of course, no one can replace Ron or Hermione in his life, but there are plenty of people who will step up to help fill their roles in Harry's life.

Just in case you think I'm heartless....I've been bracing myself for this --or some similar-- loss for Harry for months now....and I'm still certain I'll weep my eyes out should anything like this happen.

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PatPat - Jul 8, 2007 9:02 am (#1563 of 1652)

I still need 3 boxes of tissues to read HBP, freshwater. I don't know how I am going to make it through DH. Something tells me Hermione will live. I don't know why I feel that way. It's not based on any canon evidence, just instinct. But, I truly fear for Ron. There have been several instances of foreshadowing of his death, namely the chess scene in PS, Mrs. Weasley's boggart (the first one Harry sees when he finds her upstairs) and his poisoning in HBP. I also believe it would be unrealistic for us to think that ALL 9 Weasleys will survive. Someone in that family is a goner and Ron seems the most likely. Just my opinion though.

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Holly T. - Jul 8, 2007 10:05 am (#1564 of 1652)

I adore Ron. I hope he is the one who got the reprieve. I think Hagrid will die--I've been expecting that since OotP--when he wasn't there at the beginning I was like, oh no. I also think Luna will die.

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Luna Logic - Jul 8, 2007 10:46 am (#1565 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
In OotP chapter nine, Harry sees successively the dead bodies of Ron, Bill, Mr Weasley, Fred, George, Percy, and last, Harry.
My remark is that we don't know about Ginny and Charlie… Perhaps Molly saw them before Harry arrival... perhaps not.
My thought is that Charlie is the one who will die.

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freshwater - Jul 8, 2007 10:58 am (#1566 of 1652)

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Many fans think Hagrid has been marked for death/sacrifice for years now...and there is a lot of good evidence to support that idea...but I think I Hagrid may be the character who got a reprieve. Can't believe I neglected to list him among Harry's friends/supporters in post 1562. Along with Remus, Hagrid will help maintain a link to Lily and James for Harry.

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Veritaserum - Jul 8, 2007 10:58 am (#1567 of 1652)

Go Jays!
I could see Hagrid dying more than I could see Ron and Hermione. But I suppose that's wishful thinking. It's never been so immediate that most likely some character we've come to love is going to die very soon!

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Madam Pince - Jul 9, 2007 6:23 am (#1568 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I agree, Veritaserum. Hagrid is truly Harry's oldest friend in the magical world. He is the one who "rescued" him from the Dursley's and whisked him off to this wonderful magical world where he has friends, has a future and a pathway in life, got to learn things at which he can excel, etc. Hagrid was the first. Plus, hanging out at Hagrid's hut and eating rock cakes and drinking tea is just the ultimate "retreat" for Harry -- a place where he can be comfortable and relax with a true friend. He can always depend on Hagrid.

This is why I think it will be Hagrid who dies. Harry is appalled by the deaths Voldemort has caused so far, but honestly, it has not been anyone he was "close" to. (I know that sounds incongruous since his parents were killed by Voldy and you can't get much closer than that, but he didn't really "know" his parents because he was only an infant at the time. And he was close to Dumbledore, but more as a mentor/student than as a friend. Cedric - eh - shocking because of his youth and he was a fellow student/Triwizard competitor, but not really a friend. Sirius comes the closest, but Harry didn't know him as long as Hagrid, nor was he able to have as much time directly associating with him as Hagrid.) I am submitting that it will hurt more, and thus really bring home to Harry the pure evil that is Voldemort, for Harry to lose a dear, dear friend like Hagrid. I think Hagrid's death is the passage that JKR "howled" about where she ended up having to drink 1/2 bottle of champagne (in the recent Jonathan Ross interview.)

I just can't imagine Ron and Hermione dying. ***sticks fingers in ears and sings "la-la-la-la-la!" very loudly, while putting on rose-colored sunglasses...***

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 9, 2007 6:39 am (#1569 of 1652)

I think that is insightful, Madam Pince. There were good literary reasons for the deaths of Harry's parents, Cedric, Sirius, and Dumbledore, and I think that will carry over to deaths in DH. Hagrid does seem like the most likely death for literary reasons. I just hope he gets a heroic death, successfully defending those he loves.

Meanwhile, when it comes to Ron and Hermione, I think I'll join you with fingers in ears, humming loudly

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Luna Logic - Jul 9, 2007 7:00 am (#1570 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
Mrs Brisbee: Hagrid does seem like the most likely death for literary reasons. I just hope he gets a heroic death, successfully defending those he loves.
HBP, chap 28 - After the battle near Hagrid's house:
"I'm all right,' panted Harry. 'Are you?'
'Course I am... take more'n that ter finish me.' (p. 565 Bloomsbury)
more'n that...

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Esther Rose - Jul 9, 2007 7:20 am (#1571 of 1652)

What would really be painful is to see Grawps reaction if Hagrid dies. That would make me sob more than anything.

I am hoping the trio all lives or all dies. (All for one and one for all!- Three Musketeers!)

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M A Grimmett - Jul 9, 2007 7:29 am (#1572 of 1652)

Since JKR said she was absolutely awash with tears after writing one of the final chapters, I'm stocking up on nice clean hankies. This is going to be one emotional wreck at the end of it!

Geeze, Esther, I forgot about Grawp. How gut-wrenching that would be.

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Lavandula - Jul 9, 2007 9:44 am (#1573 of 1652)

Elementary Teacher
I can't stand just the talk of it all!! **sniffles and sheds a tear**

In keeping with predictions and not what I would want to happen, I have to agree that there has been too many pieces of evidence to suggest the death of Ron. I am reading PoA right now and just read the scene at Christmas where the 12/13 teachers and students have Christmas dinner. Trelawney makes the prediction that the first to get up will have an untimely death. Ron and Harry both get up together to leave and she goes 'batty'. Don't have the book in front of me right now, but her Divination lesson at the beginning with the tea leaves indicates suffering for Ron. I'll go search for the quote and get back later. Trelawney does seem to make some accurate predictions IMO.

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Madam Pince - Jul 9, 2007 10:16 am (#1574 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
You know what, talking about who dies and such --

Apparently there are tons of professional "bookmakers" taking bets on who will die in DH. I'm not a betting person so I don't understand how these things work, but I've jumped on Chemyst's bandwagon and one of my theories now is that both Harry and Voldemort "die" by going through the Veil, battling on the "other side" (that's the Scholastic cover, I'm thinking), and then the last Horcrux will only work on one or the other of them due to the blood-sharing thing, so Harry will have possession of the Horcrux and will thus be pulled back on the "right" side of the Veil. Therefore, in DH, Harry will "die," but he will be "revived."

What will the bookmakers make of that situation? Did Harry "die" or not? I know if I'd placed a bet that he'll die and that happened, I'd be arguing until I was blue in the face that I'd won my bet! Could a situation like that really mess up the betting? How do they resolve things like that?

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Hagsquid - Jul 9, 2007 10:22 am (#1575 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
I can't believe they're taking bets... it's not *that* hard to obtain an advance copy. Surely not to the point that someone would take a bet on it. Difficult, yes, and very risky, but not impossible. And the worst schoolastic could do is to threaten to ban whatever company leaked the info from ever selling another Harry Potter book, but this *is* the last one.

I've never seen bookies who will take bets on something that has a fixed outcome. It's only random happenstances for them.

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 9, 2007 10:24 am (#1576 of 1652)

I think the character would have to be dead and stay dead for it to count-- but yeah, I could see people arguing the point when galleons are at stake.

By the way, Madam Pince, I like your scenario. I 've long thought Voldemort would meet his end by going through the veil and I think that stolen blood will prove to be a significant blunder on Voldey's part, and that scenario marries the two ideas.

Plus, I really, really hope Harry lives.

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Madam Pince - Jul 9, 2007 10:31 am (#1577 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Edited Jul 9, 2007 11:23 am
Bookies will take bets on almost anything, as long as there is someone somewhere who is willing to lay down some cash. At least, that is what I'm told by some of my more reckless friends...

It's not my scenario, Mrs. Brisbee -- I wish I could take credit for having thought of it! It was Chemyst (see the "Predictions List: Ten Quick and Easy Topics" thread, post #17...) Brilliant. I am so jealous.

Edit: Ooooo, excellent, Legolas! Surely dispatching the darkest of all dark wizards would rate that! Good call!

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legolas returns - Jul 9, 2007 10:57 am (#1578 of 1652)

Can I predict an Order of Merlin 1st class for Mr Harry James Potter.

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M A Grimmett - Jul 9, 2007 11:52 am (#1579 of 1652)

Chemyst's scenario is very intreguing. There's got to be more of a purpose to the Veil other than it just claiming Sirius. It's too big a setup just for that one death. Plus, when Harry and Luna talked before going home, there was a strong implication that Harry will be in contact with the people on the other side. Perhaps if Harry goes through the Veil, Sirius could help him out.

I do think Harry's got to go back to Grimmauld Place in order to get the other half of Sirius's mirror. We just can't be done with that yet.

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Veritaserum - Jul 9, 2007 5:52 pm (#1580 of 1652)

Go Jays!
I think the veil is definitely going to be involved. I think there will be some kind of interaction between Harry and those on the other side.

legolas returns, good call about the Order of Merlin. I can't believe Harry doesn't have that already. Maybe you have to be of age.

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Vox Gerbilis - Jul 9, 2007 6:24 pm (#1581 of 1652)

Another foreshadowing of Ron's death came in OotP, when Hermione said she wished she could see the thestrals, and Harry reminded her what would have to happen for that to come true. That seems like a Chekhovian gun waiting to go off. Of course, anyone's death would give Hermione that ability, but it hardly seems worth the trouble of foreshadowing the death of a relatively unimportant person in her life.

Freshwater, I've had the same concern about an emotional widowhood being too sad an outcome for Hermione. Maybe (I hope), that entitles Ron to a reprieve. I suppose JKR could work around this by writing in the epilogue that "Hermione always kept Ron in her heart, but in time found she could love again, and happily married a Muggle scholar from Oxford," but that would not be satisfactory.

I know that many readers are predicting a tragic end for the Drs. Granger, but I'm not persuaded that Hermione's parents will play any notable role in DH. If they were going to, they would have been highlighted a bit more by now.

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 9, 2007 7:46 pm (#1582 of 1652)

Can I predict an Order of Merlin 1st class for Mr Harry James Potter.

Yes you may,Legolas,along with a chocolate frog card!

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Joanna Lupin - Jul 10, 2007 3:07 am (#1583 of 1652)

Hey!

Wow! It’s nice to be able to post a message at last – thank you hosts so much!

Anyway, the thing I've been most anxious to point out to you is the treason theme that is being discussed on several threads. I am repulsed by frequent insinuations that Neville is going to betray Harry. That's a cruel scheme that defiles Neville. We live in the time of peace (kind of) so probably it's hard to imagine what it is like to be Neville or Harry. Let me give you an example; I wonder if someone here has suffered a loss of a family member in the WTC attack in 2001? What would have to happen now for you to join the people behind the attack? It's probably very simplistic as in real world no party is 100% good or evil but I think it gives an idea of what I mean.

Also, comparing Pettigrew to Neville is an offence to the latter. Pettigrew betrayed the Potters to avoid harm, previously his school friends had protected him, but in the state of open warfare he joined the stronger party, obviously. When has Neville ever sought protection from bullying? He was even prepared to let Bellatrix Lastrange torture him as she had done his parents, but he wouldn't budge. How dare the people doubt in him after that?!

Remus Lupin as a traitor is an equally ridiculous idea IMHO it seems that some people here fail to grasp the idea that there are things worth dying for. Lupin knows that and so does Tonks (although she is young and impulsive). I do not believe that Lupin would risk the cause of bringing the downfall of Voldemort for his private gain. It is not Lupin as I know him (just joking...).

I am coming to my prediction now though. I don't want to believe that there will be any treason in the order, but if there is (and I'm following your arguments here that the traitor is going to be someone who we do not suspect) I think the most likely guess is...

Molly Weasley (I bet you are now rolling your eyes at me, but let me explain) Molly is a mother, her prime intrinsic role is that of a mother. Remembering her boggart, her greatest fear is that her family will suffer harm. Any mother on this forum knows perfectly well how it is to shudder about your child's well being. The theme of a mother sacrificing everything to rescue her child[ren] from harm is repeated throughout the series. Lily sheltered Harry from Voldemort. Narcissa was prepared to betray Voldemort to save Draco. Is it so unlikely that Molly would betray the order to save one of her children? I think it is totally feasible, albeit I hope it doesn't happen.

Bellatrix said that she would be happy to give her sons up to the dark lord if she had any, but frankly, what does she know about being a mother? I don't think Molly would ever say the same thing about the order. She would protect her children at all costs. If she does do that I won't even blame her. It is only natural.

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Paul Miller - Jul 10, 2007 7:10 am (#1584 of 1652)

I think Ron will die. And this is just going on a hunch I found from Book 1. When Hagrid is investigating the unicorn's death in the Forbidden Forest, Firenze says something to the effect of "It's always the innocent who die first..." in reference to the unicorn. Well, the first to die in the Potter books was Cedric. Cedric, as we learned in GoF, had a unicorn hair wand. Who else in the inner circle had a unicorn hair wand? Ron Weasley's new wand is. And that leads me to suspect that he will die next.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 10, 2007 8:50 am (#1585 of 1652)

I can't believe Harry doesn't have that already. Veritaserum

Me either.

Nice catch Paul. I thought the clues to Ron dying were a red herring that Hermione will actually be the one to die. We shall find out in 10 days. LPO

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Choices - Jul 10, 2007 11:33 am (#1586 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Neville's wand contains unicorn hair - I suppose he and Ron are doomed.

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jul 10, 2007 12:17 pm (#1587 of 1652)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
"We live in the time of peace (kind of) so probably it's hard to imagine what it is like to be Neville or Harry. Let me give you an example; I wonder if someone here has suffered a loss of a family member in the WTC attack in 2001? What would have to happen now for you to join the people behind the attack?"

I did suffer the loss of a family member in the attack, for me to join the people behind the attack? Please tell me you are joking. "We live in the time of peace..." Got to be another joke.

As for what Ron and Harry are thinking, those are two different animals. Harry knows his loss first-hand. Ron doesen't. Two different things. Harry persues his notion of justice and revenge, Ron has a vague idea of the concept, it's the "right" thing to do.

Back on topic, I think both will die, so both can live.

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Joanna Lupin - Jul 10, 2007 12:31 pm (#1588 of 1652)

Well, I don't live in a time of open warfare, anyway. That's my point though - you would never join the people who brought about your loss no matter what happens, and neither would Neville or Harry. That's what I think.

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jul 10, 2007 12:38 pm (#1589 of 1652)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
"Well, I don't live in a time of open warfare, anyway." Now that is an interesting thought. Keep believing it, it might just make the predictions list, LOL.

Another prediction... Book seven will surprise and confund us as much as book six did.

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Madam Pince - Jul 10, 2007 1:09 pm (#1590 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Perhaps Joanna Lupin lives in a country that is not involved in a war at the present time? I don't know where she lives...

I understand what Joanna is meaning I think -- she's opining that it would be just as ridiculous to think Neville would join the DEs as it would be for, say, TBE to join al-Qaida. Or at least that's what it sounded like to me... So you guys are agreeing, I think...

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PatPat - Jul 10, 2007 5:50 pm (#1591 of 1652)

I think that is exactly what Joanna is saying, Madam Pince, and I agree with her there. I have already said that I will not believe Neville is a traitor until I see it written in the book. I can also kind of see what Joanna is saying about Molly Weasley. Molly would certainly do almost anything to protect her children and it would be unexpected. BUT, Molly has also lost family to Voldemort. Her brothers were killed, remember. So I think that, if we are going to argue that Neville would never join the DE's because of the fact that he has, for all intents and purposes, lost his parents because of them, I think we have to apply the same argument to Molly.

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Choices - Jul 10, 2007 6:03 pm (#1592 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Never would Neville be a traitor, but I could see him pretending to join the DE's just to get close enough to Bellatrix to kill her. I don't see that happening, but I think Neville is brave enough to do it.

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Madam Pince - Jul 10, 2007 8:08 pm (#1593 of 1652)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
We were watching GoF movie today, and I was struck yet again by how Neville stood up for the dance lessons when every other boy was carefully cleaning his fingernails. I said "Good for you, being brave, Neville!" and it dawned on me (duh, I'm slow sometimes) that this was another early indication of Neville's bravery.

I really like that kid. Hope he comes through OK -- I'm betting he will.

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Joanna Lupin - Jul 11, 2007 2:52 am (#1594 of 1652)

I hope we aren't going bankrupt on that betting LOL I live in Poland, and true our troops are involved in Iraq and Afghanistan, but we don't get any bombings etc. so I say about my not living in the time of war. You got my meaning quite well though.

About Molly - I agree with you completely, PatPat. She would never join the dark side the way Wormtail did. But just imagine the situation of Percy being kidnapped (it seems likely as he is quite a high ministry official) and DEs publish some demands over his life. Everyone knows that, but who would be most likely to cave in to blackmail? Molly.

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xray - Jul 12, 2007 9:12 am (#1595 of 1652)

Hermione will work in Fred & George's Joke Shop after Hogwarts
Hi everyone. I've posted my theories here and several other places but finding them again and checking through the entire list of various posts to see who might have guessed correctly will be quite tedious.

I wanted to make everyone here aware of a prediction "game" over at live journal. This is set up in a format for easy grading. You may want to go have a look. The name of the community is Hallowoodsquare

Rules
Welcome Message
Question Set 1 VOLDEMORT & HORCRUXES
Question Set 2 SNAPE, DUMBLEDORE AND THE MALFOYS
Question Set 3 HARRY'S QUEST
Question Set 4 FORCES IN MOTION
Question Set 5 CHARACTER SUBPLOTS & SHIPPING
Meme for more complex answers


Last day to post or make edits is tomorrow, July 13th.

Enjoy!

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 12, 2007 8:07 pm (#1596 of 1652)

Suddenly I have a desire to make a few wild predictions, not because I think my ideas have a good chance of being true, but simply because it's the last chance to do so, ever.

Um... Harry is a Horcrux. Okay, boring.

I like Chemyst's prediction, that Madam Pince outlined here. I'd like to elaborate on it. Voldemort used Harry's blood in his rebirthing to gain the protection Harry had from Lily, and it worked. In parallel, Harry gained powers from Voldemort when Voldemort accidently gave him a soulbit. Once all the Horcruxes are destroyed-- except for the soulbit in Harry-- Voldemort's soul will be anchored to this earth by two things: His body, and Harry. If the blood that gives power works in parallel, Harry's body will also have an extra anchor to keep it in this realm: Voldemort's body. So I predict that while Harry is battling Voldemort in the Death Room, he will realize he is the final Horcrux and jump through the Arch, but the stolen blood will act like a Horcrux for his body, and a rift will open in the Death Room because Harry was in the realm of the dead and Voldy in the realm of the living, but both their bodies and souls are connected. So they will have to continue their battle, both with one foot in the grave. And that's why only one of them need die, because only one of them initially went through the veil. And because of the shared body/soul thing either one can die, and the other gets to live.

And another wild prediction, while I'm at it:

Voldemort will disarm Harry, and try to use Harry's own wand to kill Harry. As Voldy says "Avada Kedavra", Harry will say "Lumos", because he can do that spell without having his wand in hand. The wand will try to do both spells at once, which will cause the phoenix-effect Priori Incantatum just like when two brother wands do battle. Voldemort will be so freaked out it will give Harry time to act and win the day.

There, I feel better for throwing a few predictions out there, no matter how unlikely.

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Steve Newton - Jul 13, 2007 4:51 am (#1597 of 1652)

Librarian
I don't know whether or not your veil idea is right but its way cool! I wish that I could come up with stuff like that.

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 13, 2007 5:30 am (#1598 of 1652)

Thank you, Steve. I'm not sure how valid it is either, and I'm usually too chicken to make predictions, but I figure this is my last chance

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HungarianHorntail11 - Jul 14, 2007 9:10 pm (#1599 of 1652)

The heart sees deeper than the eye.
Two thoughts: I also feel it has to be Harry to face Big V in the end and that it will happen in the way Harry seems to do it best - let Big V hang himself.

With regard to Pettigrew, I just can't see that one turning around - life-debt or not. I think it is one of those things where DD expects more from someone than he is capable of delivering. If he finds anything out about Harry being a horcrux, I think it will be to Harry's disadvantage.

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Veritaserum - Jul 15, 2007 1:55 pm (#1600 of 1652)

Go Jays!
This is Veritaserum's sister posting a theory..

I think that Voldy is an animagus of a snake. While people thought he was in Albania, he was actually in the Zoo in HP 1. So Harry actually started the whole Voldy is back thing by letting the snake out of the glass at the Zoo. Dont ask me why the snake didnt bite Harry, but this is just my theory.. Then the snake, being escaped and all, went into the leaky cauldron, went under Quirells table then bit him. because of who the snake was, Voldy was able to exchange his soul into the soon to be Hogwarts Professor. And that is how it all started.

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Luna Logic - Jul 15, 2007 2:12 pm (#1601 of 1652)
from the other side (of the Channel)
Funny theory ! I like it. (I like any theory with a role for the snake of the Zoo... )

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Choices - Jul 15, 2007 2:47 pm (#1602 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Actually, my theory is that the snake shows up in book 7 and is the big traitor. ;-)

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Hagsquid - Jul 16, 2007 1:46 pm (#1603 of 1652)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Edited by Kip Carter Jul 16, 2007 4:18 pm
Does this mean I can post predictions about book seven in here? Wink

That is the purpose of this thread; however the purpose does not included whether or not "leaks" on Book Seven are out. This is the Harry Potter Lexicon Forum, not a court of law. This thread is for discussion; not to resolve who is right, wrong, or somewhere in between. Disrupting the flow of discussion on this thread is not allowed. I hope that makes sense. If it does not, please do not post. - Kip

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azi - Jul 16, 2007 2:23 pm (#1604 of 1652)

Photo borrowed from Ardent Photography
I actually like quite the idea that somehow Harry would be able to turn Nagini against Voldemort, because of his ability to speak Parseltongue. It would be great if it happened, although unlikely. I think I'll predict it'll happen as part of my wackier predictions.

I predict that Tonks and Remus will not get a happy ending. My favourite idea is that Tonks dies in an attack by Fenrir Greyback/werewolves, because of Remus' allegiance to Dumbledore. Don't want it to happen though.

Erm...I'm stuck for more theories right now. I prefer to just play hangman usually.

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Pamzter - Jul 16, 2007 4:47 pm (#1605 of 1652)

In "who gets killed" articles I've been reading and on the Forum discussions about who dies, I've noticed that McGonagall is rarely, if ever, mentioned . . . so I thought I'd just say that I think she'll be killed. Partly because of her name "Gone" "a" "gal" (stranger things have resulted from names).

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wynnleaf - Jul 16, 2007 8:55 pm (#1606 of 1652)

"Gone" "a" "gal"

Wow! That's pretty funny. Maybe you're serious and JKR has used all sorts of interesting names. I certainly don't want McGonagall to die, but that's quite a hoot.

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Veritaserum - Jul 17, 2007 7:58 am (#1607 of 1652)

Go Jays!
Okay, here's my new one: Assuming RAB did not have a chance to destroy the locket Horcrux before he was killed, and it is indeed the locket from 12GP, then I think that at some point near the beginning of the book, Aberforth will show up and hand the locket to Harry saying, "Here, I took care of this one for you."

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Sticky Glue - Jul 17, 2007 8:33 pm (#1608 of 1652)

I think Fred and George took the locket from grimwald place, and that they have tranfigured it to look like a plan heavy gold necklace and they have given it to Molly! It will be right under Harry (or should I say Molly's) nose!

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totyle - Jul 18, 2007 12:16 am (#1609 of 1652)

I've just spent a major amount of time reading the mind boggling theories on this thread (well better that then mindlessly doodling away x more days to go again and again..!) and I've come to the conclusion that possibly everything that could be predicted has been predicted by people here! One guy actually even predicts everybody dies! So I think, even if I buy only 30% of the theories here I'm probably not going to be surprised at anything in DH unless JKR has every good guy dying and Voldemort ruling the WW. Only that hasnt been predicted-unless I missed that..I was going cross eyed towards the end! So here's my prediction...what do I have to lose?..

I predict Harry goes beyond the veil apparently never to come back, every other good guy/girl dies and Voldemort triumphs. And then right at the end...we have a hint..just a hint that somewhere in the suburbs of England a guy with a scar on his forehead emerges, biding his time...and the stage is set for a 7 part sequel of Harry's return to avenge LV yet again...and the saga continues....oooh YES!

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Joanna Lupin - Jul 18, 2007 4:07 am (#1610 of 1652)

Cunning prediction, totyle! What with JKR's vague statement "Never say never" LOL We would be thoroughly flabbergasted!

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Veritaserum - Jul 18, 2007 12:49 pm (#1611 of 1652)

Go Jays!
The thing that's great is that even though we think we've predicted just about everything, I bet JKR has an ace or two up her sleeve that *nobody* saw coming, and that is one of the things I am most looking forward to.

P.S. New prediction (I bet someone has probably said this before). Harry will be mortally wounded, but Fawkes will come back to cry on him and heal him, as has happened so many times before (okay, two that I can think of, but still...)

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Regan of Gong - Jul 18, 2007 7:06 pm (#1612 of 1652)

Self declared doctor of everything.
Well, in 2 days time I fully expect to log back in here and gloat that I was right about Snape being evil.

I also expect some ferrets, and the revelation that RAB was read wrongly, and turned out to be RAK. See? I destroyed the horcrux...

Finally, I predict that Grawp will die, aiding the order, along with a couple of Kacky Snargles.

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 18, 2007 8:07 pm (#1613 of 1652)

Regan,I didn't know you were on the Snape is evil bandwagon.I thought it was just me and Mickey C.

Since there is only 2 days left I am going to post my theories.

1.A time turner will come into play somehow.

2. Harry is a decendent of Godric Gryffindor.

3. Avery is the big,blond DE and is on the good side.

4.Snape is evil. Dumbledore trusted him because of Lily. A question: Would Snape have been so upset that he would have changed sides had it been Neville that Voldemort chose?

5.Harry’s scar is a horcrux.

6. Harry will vanquish Voldemort without having to die himself.

7. Madame Bones was killed by someone within the ministry.

8.Harry will have to return to the cave.The locket is on the accio’d inferi(R.A.B.)

9. We will see Dumbledore again maybe through the spirit of a phoenix.

10. Aberforth will play a big part in book 7. He is the dragon on the deluxe cover.

11. Peter will pay the lifedebt to Harry,not out of honor,but remorse.He will die in the process.

12.Trelawney was kidnapped by DE.

13. Pettigrew will destroy a horcrux with his silver hand.

15.Voldemort will take over Hogwarts.

16.Someone other than Tonks may be a Metamorphmagus.We may see someone with two identities.

17.Snape is evil,Evil I say!

18.Voldemort was after something other than a vessel for one of his horcruxes when he applied for the DaDa job.

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Veritaserum - Jul 18, 2007 8:20 pm (#1614 of 1652)

Go Jays!
Ooh, interesting about a Metamorphmagus with two identities. I hadn't thought of that before.

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Regan of Gong - Jul 18, 2007 8:22 pm (#1615 of 1652)

Self declared doctor of everything.
Oh yeah, I forgot the Time Travel theory. I only heard it recently, but now I'm a subscriber. It goes that Harry will travel back to Godrics Hollow and have to witness his parents murders in order to discover something crucial e.g. who was there, was a horcrux created?

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Veritaserum - Jul 18, 2007 8:26 pm (#1616 of 1652)

Go Jays!
Okay, now that's cool. What if Harry himself was "the other person" there? He witnessed it and has to notify Dumbledore of what happened and that somebody needs to save his baby self. I can imagine that Dumbledore would have been able to keep that a secret, but I don't think that Sirius or Hagrid would have been able to, so maybe not.

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Mediwitch - Jul 18, 2007 8:30 pm (#1617 of 1652)

"We could have all been killed-- or worse, expelled!"
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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 18, 2007 8:54 pm (#1618 of 1652)

Regan,I didn't know you were on the Snape is evil bandwagon.I thought it was just me and Mickey C Madame Pomfrey

I'm on that bandwagon also. Hagsquid had a great idea that Snape is evil and Dumbledore is counting on it. I like that theory. I don't buy the Lily theory. Love scorned is a very powerful negative emotion. Lily marrying Snape's enemy would be too much for him. LPO

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 18, 2007 9:10 pm (#1619 of 1652)

Mediwich,that's exactly what I was thinking, Tonks' introduction is a setup for something bigger and better.

LPO,We are a very small group,aren't we?

I kind of like that theory of Hasquids too.

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 19, 2007 3:46 am (#1620 of 1652)

You guys can count me in on the Snape Is Evil bandwagon. I just think it is the most elegant solution, and I don't want to see a convoluted and tough-to-swallow mess explaining how Snape is really Good.

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 19, 2007 6:31 am (#1621 of 1652)

Yea,Mrs.Brisbee!! I can't imagine that either. If we have to eat crow, at least it will be a small intimate dinner with just a few close friends

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Esther Rose - Jul 19, 2007 6:47 am (#1622 of 1652)

Crows are abundant so there will be plenty to go around for days.

I predict that Neville Longbottom has Rowena Ravenclaw's wand.

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Luna Logic - Jul 19, 2007 6:54 am (#1623 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
I predict the first chapter will begin by a dream of Harry (OK, it's more a personal wish, but why not ?)

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mona amon - Jul 19, 2007 7:05 am (#1624 of 1652)

LOL!

A few of my predictions-

1) At some point Harry will save Snape's life.

2) Dumbledore confided in Aberforth about his plans with Snape, and he's now the only person other than Snape who knows what really happened on the tower.

3)The trio, if they survive, will return to Hogwarts after the defeat of Voldemort to finish their education.

4) Snape became friends with Lily after he made his 'Mudblood' comment. They were friends throughout their sixth year, and he developed an interest in Potions to impress her. They would have split during their 7th year, when Lily started going out with James. Lily was never in love with Snape, but Snape did love her.

5)If Snape survives, and I'm doubtful if he will, he will have a career change and become a Healer at St. Mungo's, specialising in Dark Arts injuries.

Clearly I'm not in the Snape is Evil bandwagon!

EDIT: Cross posted with you Luna, so the LOL was not for your prediction!

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Jul 19, 2007 7:45 am (#1625 of 1652)

Madame Pomfrey and Mrs. Brisbee we have to support each other!

We need to establish an Eat Crow thread. I'm sure there will be lots of posts.

I predict since Neville is the one who destroyed the prophecy he will be very much involved in the final showdown. LPO

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M A Grimmett - Jul 19, 2007 7:50 am (#1626 of 1652)

Either choice of Snape is evil (and DD was counting on it) or Snape is revealed to be a very flawed hero has delicious possibilities. I'm all twitchy with excitement to find out for sure.

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Choices - Jul 19, 2007 10:30 am (#1627 of 1652)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
"Her hair was set in elaborate and curiously rigid curls that contrasted oddly with her heavy-jawed face."

"The thick fingers....."

"....in a surprisingly strong grip."

"....three gold teeth."

"....heavily penciled eyebrow."

"...her large, mannish hands...."

All these descriptions of Rita Skeeter are from GOF, chapter The Weighing of the Wands. I am going to predict that Rita is not who we think she is.

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Potter Ace - Jul 19, 2007 11:27 am (#1628 of 1652)

Choices,

I wonder if RAB had aminigus {sic} powers? If Peter P. can hide for years as a rat, surely RAB could have hidden for just as long as a different person. I like this prediction very much.

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legolas returns - Jul 19, 2007 11:35 am (#1629 of 1652)

I think that Hagrid is going to die and Grawp is going to wipe out the death eaters one by one for revenge.

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Allison R - Jul 19, 2007 3:16 pm (#1630 of 1652)

Saying goodbye to a friend: We love you, Dusty Bunny. You will be missed.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if Snape doesn't turn out to be evil, I'm going to need professional therapy. I loathe that man!

Are we going to start a folder with various tried and true recipes for cooking and eating Crow so that we can choose the most palitable way to eat the fuits of our predictions?

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 19, 2007 4:54 pm (#1631 of 1652)

Ooh,I like that,Choices!

Allison,that sounds like a good idea.Title: I'm eating crow today and this is how I like it. Sounds like there is going to be a heck of a picnic.

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Veritaserum - Jul 19, 2007 5:00 pm (#1632 of 1652)

Go Jays!
I want to be in on that picnic too, only I am on the fence in just about all the major prediction categories. I don't really have any predictions that I am absolutely sure of, or even any that I have much conviction in! Well, except for maybe my belief that Harry will have to sacrifice himself in some way. But beyond that, I am very open to the possibilities!

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 19, 2007 5:11 pm (#1633 of 1652)

Molly is wounded and Percy in a rage becomes a vigilante and attempts to hunt the Death Eaters responsible and Percy is killed.

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PatPat - Jul 19, 2007 5:14 pm (#1634 of 1652)

Choices, I am totally with you on Rita Skeeter. I have always found the descriptions of her very odd. JKR makes a POINT of describing her as "manly". Rita is a metamorphmagus and we have seen her/him in another form - as a man.

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Regan of Gong - Jul 19, 2007 5:42 pm (#1635 of 1652)

Self declared doctor of everything.
RAB is not who we think they are. There, I said it...

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DJ Evans - Jul 19, 2007 6:12 pm (#1636 of 1652)

Genealogy....Where you confuse the dead & irritate the living!
I'm sure I'm going to be 100% wrong on my predictions for book 7....why destroy my perfect record so far, right? Anyhoo, here's what I foresee happening in DH.

1. Snape made an Unbreakable Vow between him & Lily, with DD being the binder for it. That is why DD had such faith/trust in Snape.

2. I don't think Molly will survive the series. And I think Percy will be tied into it all somehow. Either he hears of a plot to go after the Weasley's & steps in to protect them or he will get revenge on who killed her.

3. Ah yes, and then there is the squeaky stair at #4 Privet Drive. I still have high hopes that it will come into play somehow/someway in the last book. I believe it would be such a neat hiddy hole for Petunia to horde some things of Lily's.

4. I'm thinking that James/Lily had a Foe Glass at Godric's Hollow & that is how James knew LV was coming.

5. DD might have had portrait of himself at Godric's Hollow...it was his way of keeping in touch with them. That being the case, it could also be the way James gave the invisibility to DD. He draped it over the portrait, telling DD to pass it on to Harry if him & Lily didn't make it.

6. This last one is an old one of mine but I still don't want to let it go. And that is Charlie is a vampire.

OK...that's it. I'm pretty sure I won't hit any of them but it's still fun to try.

Later, Deb

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Nicoline Vance - Jul 19, 2007 10:40 pm (#1637 of 1652)

I just wanted to get my predictions in, so that my complete lack of the "inner eye" could be marked for posterity.

1. RAB is Regulas Black, but he had help from an unexpected source (perhaps Kreacher)

2. Eileen Prince/Madam Pince is the key to Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore

3. Harry will come to a reconciliation with Aunt Petunia, not love. He will get insight into her inexcusable behavior. No such luck with Uncle Vernon, he is just a bully.

4. Harry will get a lot of help from many people: Ron, Hermione, Ginny, Neville, Luna, and Snape, but ultimately will face Voldemort alone. Harry will emerge the victor!

5. Many will not live to see the epilogue. I think we will have to say goodbye to some of the Order of the Phoenix and some Hogwarts students, but mostly I fear for Hagrid. I think we can say good riddance to Wormtail, Fenrir Greyback, Lucius Malfoy, the Lestranges, and Lord Voldemort.

Not much longer until we find out the answers to at least most of our questions.

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Pamzter - Jul 19, 2007 11:02 pm (#1638 of 1652)

My final thought (I think). . .

We will learn that in the chain of events that led to the deaths of James and Lily, that one of those events was a serious error (in judgement and/or action) that James made, perhaps as a result of his pride and arrogance. And that's why there is a hesitancy in people talking about it with Harry. (I've always thought there was something off here, and I decided to take a shot and say it was James.)

. . . and one more, just for the heck of it . . .

Lupin and Fleur are killed and Bill and Tonks wind up together in the epilogue (I'm not serious on this one).

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Anna L. Black - Jul 20, 2007 2:12 am (#1639 of 1652)

OK, so some last minute thoughts:

Harry is a horcrux, or at least his scar is.

Ollivander was either kidnapped by DEs so that Voldemort could have another wand (without the Priori Incantatem effect), or was hidden by Dumbledore, in order to prevent the DEs from kidnapping him.

The trio will all live. Harry will go through the veil before that, as described earlier on this thread (wonderful theories!).

Hagrid will die. *sniff sniff* So will Lupin. *sniff* And one of the twins.

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Caius Iulius - Jul 20, 2007 4:16 am (#1640 of 1652)

Prediction: Luna will die, and so will Snape, after it turned out that he was on the good side.

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Miss Malaprop - Jul 20, 2007 4:44 am (#1641 of 1652)

In less than 12 hours I will be holding the book in trembling hands and this is the last time I will be able to do this…ever. So:

- There will be a kerfuffle at 4 Privet Drive when Death Eaters turn up on Harry’s birthday. Petunia will perform basic magic to protect Dudley.
- Snape loved Lily – he was “that awful boy”. He will be a key character.
- Harry will search for Horcruxes in Godric’s Hollow, Little Hangleton and the Room of Requirement.
- Dumbledore left something behind to aid Harry. Maybe the Pensieve and a stock of memories. Fawkes will appear suddenly at a crucial moment. The two way mirror will also come in handy.
- Harry will visit the Department of Mysteries again, specifically the locked room and the veil room, where the final showdown with LV occurs.
- We will find out what Dumbledore was reliving in the cave.
- Deaths: Harry (reunited with loved ones beyond the veil), Voldemort, Wormtail, Snape, Bellatrix, Percy, Molly or Arthur, a Weasley child (because there are so many, they can’t all survive!), Hagrid, Mad-Eye, Lupin, Hogwarts students, Neville (nooo!).
- The Weasleys turn out to be Dumbledore’s distant relatives and inherit his fortune after Aberforth shuns the inheritance, preferring a simple life with his goats!
- After the epilogue there will be one last page where Harry wakes up in the cupboard under the stairs and it was all a dream!

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Denise P. - Jul 20, 2007 5:05 am (#1642 of 1652)

Ravenclaw Pony
After the epilogue there will be one last page where Harry wakes up in the cupboard under the stairs and it was all a dream!

I honestly don't believe JKR would send her fans down the river by adding this kind of ploy. I certainly hope not anyway!

I predict...we will all be surprised! Some people will feel fully justified while others will wonder why they never thought XYZ could happen or that ABC would turn out to be so important.

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Esther Rose - Jul 20, 2007 6:19 am (#1643 of 1652)

There will be a wizard birth at or near the end of Deathly Hallows. Either "Albus" or "Harry"'s.

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M A Grimmett - Jul 20, 2007 7:37 am (#1644 of 1652)

I really like DJ's idea of Snape and Lily in an Unbreakable Vow. that is so original and cool!

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 20, 2007 8:51 am (#1645 of 1652)

Harry waking up and finding it all was dream reminds me of the series finales for the television programs Newhart and St. Elsewhere I know I probably am showing my age.

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Potter Ace - Jul 20, 2007 9:27 am (#1646 of 1652)

Nathan,

You're thinking of DALLAS, but I think I recall something similar on St. Elsewhere as well.

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M A Grimmett - Jul 20, 2007 9:28 am (#1647 of 1652)

That would be a terrible ending.

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 20, 2007 9:32 am (#1648 of 1652)

The Newhart version of the dream shtick was hilarious. But, yeah, bad idea for the end of Harry Potter. It would kill the magic, and I can't see Rowling ever doing that.

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Allison R - Jul 20, 2007 10:16 am (#1649 of 1652)

Saying goodbye to a friend: We love you, Dusty Bunny. You will be missed.
Nathan, save some Geritol for me-- St. Elsewhere remains one of my all-time favorite shows!

I agree-- the idea of Harry waking up in his cupboard under the stairs made me laugh out loud-- but I suspect JK Rowling has a slightly different end in mind.

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PatPat - Jul 20, 2007 12:37 pm (#1650 of 1652)

No way it will turn out to be a dream. To me, that's a total cop-out ending and completely invalidates the entire rest of the series. JKR is too god for that.

PS - I LOVE St. Elsewhere!

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Luna Logic - Jul 20, 2007 1:00 pm (#1651 of 1652)

from the other side (of the Channel)
PatPat: JKR is too god for that. PatPat, is that really your true opinion (why not?) or perhaps only an effect of your hyperventilation?

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Nicoline Vance - Jul 20, 2007 3:43 pm (#1652 of 1652)

I realize that I did not go out on a limb on any of my previous predictions, so here are a few more:

1. Neville will return to Hogwarts to be the Herbology professor after Sprout retires

2. Hermione will work for the Ministry as a liason to elves and other magical creatures. She will eventually pass a law emancipating all house elves.

3. Harry and Ginny will marry after she finishes school. They will both become Aurors or Unspeakables

4. Luna will eventually become Editor-in-Chief of the Quibbler and find one of the animals that no one else believes exists.

If this ends as dream, I will be inconsolable. Less than 9 hours to go! (Pacific Daylight Savings Time, US)

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