Who will be the next DADA Teacher?

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Who will be the next DADA Teacher?

Post  Elanor on Sat May 21, 2011 9:13 am

Who will be the next DADA Teacher?

This topic serves as an archive of a thread from the Harry Potter Lexicon Forum as hosted on World Crossing which ceased operation on April 15, 2011. Elanor

Hem Hem - Sep 4, 2003 12:06 am
Edited by Kip Carter Aug 30, 2007 5:16 am
I just realized that with all the threads we've created here back at WX, on one has started a thread designated for the discussions of who the next DADA teacher will be.

Some of us, I'm sure, will argue that the DADA teacher is always a new character and that there's no point for this thread to exist. However, there's plenty of possiblity that book six will be the exception to this patern. So, who do y'all think would be willing to take the job this year?

In the past 5 books, we've seen a pattern of 1. Voldemort affiliate, 2. Fairly crazed teacher, and 3. Good teacher, friend of James, also a werewolf. Now, we've seen the similarities between Quirrel/Moody and Lockhart/Umbridge play out, but we don't know what, or even if, there will be a connetion between Lupin and the book 6 DADA teacher. Perhaps the connection will be that he'll be a really great teacher, perhaps it'll be that he was a friend of Harry's parents (one we haven't met before), or maybe that he's secretly a werewolf (or even a vampire...that'd be cool, no? ).

Thoughts, anyone?

I changed the title of this thread from Book 6 DADA Teacher to Who will be the next DADA Teacher? being that this thread has run venture into Book 7 already. - Kip



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Post  Elanor on Sat May 21, 2011 9:19 am

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With the Lupin-is-James-theorie in mind, it's really obvious...

Lily will be the next DADA teacher.

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Mare - Sep 4, 2003 3:43 am (#2 of 983)

I am still hoping for the return of Lupin, but since he is working for the order... Maybe Tonks will be the teacher, so she can recover from the fight at the MoM. Or one of the not so mentioned people of the guard that brought Harry to 12 Grimmauld Place.

I am however hoping for another woman, a likable one and a competent one, this time

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*Lady Penelope* - Sep 4, 2003 9:50 am (#3 of 983)

You should never underestimate how important a wardrobe based around the colour pink can be when you are planning to save the world...
I read somewhere that JKR wasn't going to introduce any new characters -- therefore, the new teacher would be someone we already know. I'm voting for Kingsley Shacklebolt.

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mollis - Sep 4, 2003 10:00 am (#4 of 983)

How about if one of Lily's long-lost friends returns to take the job???

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rettoP yrraH - Sep 4, 2003 10:05 am (#5 of 983)

Half of what I say is meaningless
How about Albus Dumbledore? Or even better, Harry has shown that he is a capable teacher. Now he might not be a teacher persay...but what whould happen is he continues the DA classes and any one who was in it just goes to DA instead of DADA? That way he wont realy be a teacher but he will be teaching. And he will take Ocumalicy and DADA privetly with Squidy. I think the Occumalicy is a nobrainer with DD in book 6. We might even get to see some of Dumble-dorrs memorys...

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timrew - Sep 4, 2003 11:06 am (#6 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I had this posted on the Mad Eye Moody thread, and thought it would be more appropriate here.....

I proposed a theory on EZBoard that received a bit of a mixed reception, concerning Moody as DADA teacher. Was JKR setting up Moody to become DADA teacher in book 6?

In the battle at the MOM, Moody was one of the first to be put out of commission. Could this be because of his age? I mean, he WAS taken out of retirement to rejoin the Order. Maybe the old war horse's reactions have slowed down a bit; and maybe he needs to be put 'behind the lines', as it were.

My suggestion was, wouldn't it be a good idea if Moody was to become the new DADA teacher. The kids would all benefit from his vast experience, and he wouldn't be in danger of losing any more 'bits'.

Okay, it was suggested, by Sam, I think, that DD fought at the MOM and he's 150 years old! But let's face it, Moody has lost his leg, his eye, half his nose - and if rumours are to be believed, one of his buttocks!

Wouldn't it be better to have him as DADA teacher before he loses any more bits? Besides, I'd like to see him take over where Crouch/Moody left off......and REALLY turn Malfoy into a ferret for good! Not to mention Crabbe and Goyle into Blast-Ended Skrewts - they REALLY need their looks improving!

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Earo - Sep 4, 2003 11:36 am (#7 of 983)

I vote for VIctor Krum. He needs a reason to come back anyway.

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Professor Kosh - Sep 4, 2003 11:49 am (#8 of 983)

Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
I like the Moody idea myself. Victor Krum doesn't have the experience, and I think he would still be playing in the Quiddich pros. And, while Harry was certainly good enough to teach the club, he doesn't know everything, and wouldn't be a good idea for teacher.

I'd also like to see perhaps Bill Weasley come back to teach it! He certianly sounds cool, and I'd bet he has loads of experience in it working as a curse-breaker! Think about it!

He isn't a new character, but certainly one we haven't had much exposure to.
He certainly has the qualifications.
He'd be able to work for the Order here as well, being even closer to DD.

I love this idea! Bill for DADA! Who's with me?

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S.E. Jones - Sep 4, 2003 4:39 pm (#9 of 983)

Let it snow!
Moody: Could this point to Moody returning?
Barnes & Noble.com Interview, 20 October, 2000
Q: Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?
A: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!


Bill: Personally, I like this theory. I would love to see Ron and Ginny's reactions to this. I think he could have a great influence on Ron if he were there at schol with him, unlike the negative effect the twins had on him. Remember, Bill was also a prefect, so maybe Ron would feel better about embracing the role of Prefect without the fear that he'll turn into Percy. Hey, could Bill be who Trewlany was referring to with the "beware a red-haired man" prediction for Parvati? (hehe)

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Professor Kosh - Sep 4, 2003 4:51 pm (#10 of 983)

Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Ooo ooo! Maybe he is! There has been a lot of speculation about the 'red-haired man' prediction. Perhaps Parvati will fall in love with Bill and have her heart broken (because he wouldn't date a student). He certainly cuts the kind of dashing figure that would beguile a young girl!

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S.E. Jones - Sep 4, 2003 4:54 pm (#11 of 983)

Let it snow!
Parvati? Heck, Firenze cut enough of a figure to beguile her, and he's part horse....

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Mare - Sep 4, 2003 4:56 pm (#12 of 983)

What colour of hair has Firenze?

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S.E. Jones - Sep 4, 2003 5:00 pm (#13 of 983)

Let it snow!
He's described as having a "white-blond head".

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Mare - Sep 4, 2003 5:04 pm (#14 of 983)

Hmmm, bummer...

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Hem Hem - Sep 4, 2003 5:21 pm (#15 of 983)

If Bill comes to teach at Hogwarts, will Fleur follow him? What subject would she teach?

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S.E. Jones - Sep 4, 2003 5:24 pm (#16 of 983)

Let it snow!
Hey, maybe that's how we'll find out about the teachers' spouses. Fleur will marry Bill and come with him to Hogwarts and we'll meet the spouses through her.

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Viola Intonada - Sep 4, 2003 5:59 pm (#17 of 983)

Ooo, I like that idea S.E.

But, what I would really like to see is Lupin being cured of his Werewolfness. Gilderoy Lockhart had come across a wizard once who was able to cure a werewolf, though too bad Gildy obliviated his memory. Between DD, Snape and Pompy, I'm sure they would be able to come up with a cure. Lupin was a great teacher, it would be great to see him back at Hogwarts.

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timrew - Sep 4, 2003 6:10 pm (#18 of 983)

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"Gilderoy Lockhart had come across a wizard once who was able to cure a werewolf".

I think that this was more 'embellishment' on Gilderoy's part than the actual fact, Viola. Although, I agree with you. It would be nice to NOT see Lupin become all bad tempered and hairy every month.

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Brave ol' Neville - Sep 4, 2003 8:03 pm (#19 of 983)

Used to be Seek W.
I'm guessing Snape gets the job. No reason, but it's what that little voice in my head is telling me.

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rettoP yrraH - Sep 4, 2003 11:12 pm (#20 of 983)

Half of what I say is meaningless
JKR said no to that Brave ol'

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Wormtail - Sep 5, 2003 3:47 am (#21 of 983)

But it's obvious: the new DADA teacher will be...

Dumbledore!

(Well, maybe not, maybe in Book 7...)

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Fawkesy Lady - Sep 5, 2003 11:24 am (#22 of 983)

Perhaps we will never see a DADA teacher last more than one book because once Harry gradates, the position will be his?

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Arrows' Biggest Fan - Sep 5, 2003 1:42 pm (#23 of 983)

Dumbledore is having a really hard time finding someone to teach DADA. That's why Umbridge was appointed. But, maybe, he could ask his brother, Aberforth, who is likely to be the Hog's Head's barman, to take on the job. He is/was a member of the Order of the Phoenix so probably has some magical ability (he practised charms on a goat, so he can't have been that bad). Then something happens to make him leave, and Snape takes on the job in Harry's seventh year, whilst there is a new Potions teacher. Of course, two Prof. Dumbledores could be confusing ...

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Hem Hem - Sep 5, 2003 4:08 pm (#24 of 983)

I don't know about that; isn't Aberforth's strategic location at the Hog's Head valuable for spying and such?

I'd like to see Kingsley Shacklebolt for DADA. I know, I know, he's in the Order, and the Order's really busy with the war on and all. But Kingsley is still working in the MoM, looking for "clues" of Sirius Black's whereabouts...and nowadays, that's probably not the most time-consuming job.Surprised) It seems like every Order member has a job on the side of their duties, and we know that since he's an Auror, his ability to teach DADA should be wonderful.

Additionally, it would be nice to have some racial diversity on the Hogwarts Staff. No that I've been complaining about the lack of political correctness in previous books or anything, but it would be a really pleasant addition.

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Denise S. - Sep 5, 2003 7:36 pm (#25 of 983)

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I wish Lupin could somehow be brought back in. It would be great for him, because then he'd have a job. Better yet, he'd be able to teach Harry a multitude of useful things, be an Order member within reach of Harry whom Harry could speak to if he had any troubles and/or rescue missions to deal with, and could help Harry (hopefully) keep his temper and his cool. Stupid racist system :-(.

I really have no idea, and after the Forum's near-unanimus consensus that Arabella Figg was going to be the DADA Prof. for OotP (*tsk tsk!* ), I don't think I want to try to guess again. I guess I'll just sit back and wait and enjoy the surprise .

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Denise P. - Sep 5, 2003 8:07 pm (#26 of 983)

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I really have no idea, and after the Forum's near-unanimus consensus that Arabella Figg was going to be the DADA Prof. for OotP

Well, based on how DJU did it...all theory and no practical...Figgy COULD have done just as well Even though she can't actually perform the spells, she could teach how to do them. I seriously doubt we will be seeing a squib DADA though

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Professor Kosh - Sep 5, 2003 9:22 pm (#27 of 983)

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I don't think Kingsley Shacklebolt will be the new DADA teacher. He's an Auror, and an experienced one. Right now, with Volde and the DE's running about, there's no way the MoM is going to let an experienced Auror leave. And no experienced Auror would, I suspect.

Still think Bill's the best guess. JKR has made him very intriguing, and I think he's due for a bigger role! Lupin would be nice, though, but I don't think the social 'climate' has changed enough for him to come back. Perhaps Moody? He never 'actually' got to teach.....

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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 9:36 am (#28 of 983)

Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I'd love to see Bill do it, but I think the best bet is Moody, if it's anyone we know at all.

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J-D - Sep 6, 2003 10:26 am (#29 of 983)

Well Fleur obviously likes Bill and that realationship has to go somewhere. I think it all makes sense for Bill to be the new DADA teacher. Maybe Fleur could be his assistant like Trewlany and Firenze?

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Denise S. - Sep 6, 2003 12:28 pm (#30 of 983)

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Can you imagine what a distraction it would be for the students/boys in class to have Fleur being an assisst or a teacher's aid? That could definitely lead to some *interesting* subplots, to say the least...I don't really think it's going to happen, tho'. Just my opinion.

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Weeny Owl - Sep 7, 2003 12:42 am (#31 of 983)

I love the idea of Bill being the new DADA teacher. Kingsley Shacklebolt is also a superb idea, but I agree that since he's an Auror he'll be needed in that job more than ever.

With Bill's experience from Gringott's, he'd probably know quite a bit about how to teach a DADA curriculum.

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Slytherin Prefect - Sep 7, 2003 2:25 am (#32 of 983)

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Can you imagine what a distraction it would be for the students/boys in class to have Fleur being an assisst or a teacher's aid? That could definitely lead to some *interesting* subplots, to say the least...I don't really think it's going to happen, tho'. Just my opinion.<


I said it before when I predicted that Fleur would be the DADA teacher for book 5 (rather incorrectly, I might add ^_^). The girls had their turn with Lockhart. Now it's the boys' turn. ^_^

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Professor Kosh - Sep 7, 2003 12:50 pm (#33 of 983)

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I don't see Fleur being a professor. She is still quite young (she only graduated herself last year!), and I suspect DADA is not her specialty. I think the only way we'll see her at Hogwarts is if Bill comes to teach. I suspect her best area is Charms, and I doubt Flitwick is going anywhere.

The same arguement holds for Krum (as some have speculated). He only just graduated, he already plays professional Quiddich, and, as Hermionie said, he told her that Harry already can do things he can't. Doesn't sound like a good candidate for teacher to me. I do hope to see Krum again though.

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timrew - Sep 7, 2003 1:00 pm (#34 of 983)

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Edited by Denise P. Sep 7, 2003 3:30 pm
I think it would be fun to see the boys go GAGA over Fleur as DADA teacher; but I can't see it happening

Someone said that all the Aurors would be needed by the Order, so it's unlikely to be any of them; but I'm holding out for old Alastor Moody. He is, after all, a retired Auror, and I'd really like to see him take the job of DADA teacher.

JKR did promise us a really cool Moody, and I don't think he showed it in OOP, so being the DADA teacher would be his chance to shine!

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Olivia Wood - Sep 7, 2003 2:51 pm (#35 of 983)

Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.

>>The same arguement holds for Krum (as some have speculated). He only just graduated, he already plays professional Quiddich, and, as Hermionie said, he told her that Harry already can do things he can't.<<<


What exactly could Krum have seen Harry do that he can't? I always thought Hermione saying that was odd, because the only really extrordinary thing Harry did where Krum could possibly be watching was the First Task. Do you think Hermione was just stroking Harry's ego?

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Professor Kosh - Sep 8, 2003 4:12 am (#36 of 983)

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Olivia: No, I don't think so. I don't see Hermionie lying to do that. She strikes me as a very honest person, and I don't see her doing an outright lie to a friend, even if she is trying to talk him into something. Still, that statement is puzzling. What could he have seen? Was he still aware while under the Imperius curse? Was he watching Harry through most of the maze while under it?

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S.E. Jones - Sep 8, 2003 10:17 am (#37 of 983)

Let it snow!
I agree with Kosh that he may have seen him while under the Imperius curse. However, I also think Hermione was just trying to gode Harry into the DA thing, perhaps expanding on some small comment that Krum made in a letter. I say she would lie to get something, she covers the elf-hats with garbage to force them into accidentally being set free. As Ron pointed out, it's just not honest....

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schoff - Sep 8, 2003 10:51 am (#38 of 983)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Harry was also only a fourth year during the Tournament, and the others were all in their final year of school. Krum was probably impressed that not only could Harry keep up with them, but that he also never fell out of first place.

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Jenny M. - Sep 8, 2003 10:27 pm (#39 of 983)

Hem Hem, a few posts back, was hoping for more racial diversity among the faculty. I'd just like to point out that just because it's mentioned specifically that Kingsley is black doesn't mean that all the other characters are Caucasian. There are many characters, students and professors alike, who are never described well enough for us to tell their race. For example, the names Padma, Parvati, and Patil all come from India, so the Patil sisters are probably Hindus.

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Professor Kosh - Sep 9, 2003 1:57 am (#40 of 983)

Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Jenny: I agree. We don't really know about the other faculty. (And don't let the movies confuse you, I know I do sometimes, (see the Paintings thread)). We've only had decent descriptions of DD, McGonagall, Snape, and the DADA teachers.

Snape may have light skin, but there are several races/ethnicities which do (i.e. not all light skins are Caucasian or Anglo-Saxon).
Quirrel wore a turban. While it served to hide Volde, it likely would have invited more comment unless he were perhaps Middle-Eastern/Arab derivation.
Flitwick is a "little person", a minority.

And, as Jenny pointed out, there is significant diversity among the students.

Schoff: Good point! That may also be a reason why Krum said that!

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Jenny M. - Sep 9, 2003 10:45 am (#41 of 983)

Right on, Professor! I hadn't considered Quirrell being of the Middle East, but it would make sense. As far as distractions of the movies go, Lee Jordan is played by a black actor.

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schoff - Sep 9, 2003 12:38 pm (#42 of 983)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Lee is black. So is Angelina, although she was portrayed as white in the film. Dean is also descibed as black.

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Jimmy Rooney - Sep 9, 2003 1:23 pm (#43 of 983)

Is it possible for Harry to become the new DADA Teacher for the lower level classes, years one through five. Then to have Dumbledore teach the higher level classes, years six and seven? He already is basically doing this with the DA. Except that in the DA he is also teaching students the same year as he is which he would not have to do if this sytem were in place. So we know that he is at least capable of this tasks. Tell me your comments.

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schoff - Sep 9, 2003 1:30 pm (#44 of 983)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Edited by Sep 9, 2003 1:33 pm
Harry would not have time to be a teacher. A tutor or assistant, perhaps, but not a teacher. A teacher not only has to create lessons, but they also have to create assessments. And that's the easy part. Once they create the assignments (homework) and tests, they then need to find the time to grade them. I've got to tell you, this is where teachers spend almost all their time, and it's rarely done in a 40 hour week--which must include actually teaching the classes. Harry never did any of this in the DA--he just showed them the spells, and gave them verbal advice. Teachers actually have to prove their students are learning on paper. You just can't tell your boss your students are learning based on your conversations with them.

Between Harry's new classes, the possibility of after school lessons and involvement in the DA, and Quidditch, there's just no time left for this kid. Not even if he doesn't sleep!

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Aaron Jones - Sep 9, 2003 4:27 pm (#45 of 983)

Well im new here but i theink Jimmy Rooney ideal about Dumbledore being the new DADA whould be cool but, I also agree whith schoff there is no way Harry could be a teacher. I thought mabey Tonks could be the new DADA i know she is a little young be she is old anouth to be in the order and help fight off Death Eaters.Pluss I theink she'll git a bigger part in the books, whut do you theink?

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Professor Kosh - Sep 9, 2003 4:29 pm (#46 of 983)

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I agree with schoff. I see Harry as more of a tutor or assistant. I see Harry continuing DA, as a more open group too.

Also, DD is answerable to the school governors. Do you think they would approve of a Professor who was still a student?

Also, don't you think that he'd have a bit of a discipline problem if he were made an actual professor? Trying to give tests and the like?

I still vote for Bill Weasley!

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Maollelujah - Sep 9, 2003 5:29 pm (#47 of 983)

I think it might be Snape. He finally gets the DADA job and a hero's death in book six.

or

it will be a completely new character.

I don't think Harry will be a teacher, because he still needs to go to his own classes, if he is going to have any chance to beat Mr. Voldie.

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W J - Sep 9, 2003 11:14 pm (#48 of 983)

Professor Kosh, I agree that Harry will not be the new DADA teacher but I disagree with your Hogwarts Board statement. I think that since Voldemort is back, if Dumbledore tells them to paint every building in Diagon Alley pink, they would do it and they would not question his judgment. Dumbledore is in a position right now to make the Giant Squid a teacher and no one will give him grief over it. The only reason the Board questioned Dumbledore before is because Lucius threatened them, and in OoP, it was the MoM who interfered, not the Board. So, Harry will not be the new DADA teacher, but the Board will have nothing to do with it. 'Just my opinion.

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Professor Kosh - Sep 10, 2003 1:56 am (#49 of 983)

Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Well, I'm sure the board would go along with almost anything of DDs, but making a student a professor while still a student would be preposterous, and I still think they'd object.

The Squid can't teach. He's too busy being headmaster.

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Slytherin Prefect - Sep 10, 2003 6:49 am (#50 of 983)

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More to the point, there's no way a student could possibly teach seven classes per week, AND attend classes of their own...

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Post  Elanor on Sat May 21, 2011 9:20 am

Jimmy Rooney - Sep 10, 2003 11:28 pm (#51 of 983)
If a teacher teaches a class twice a week to two separate groups at seven age levels that would be twenty-eight classes a week. For instance double potions twice a week with two different groups [(Griffendor & Slytherin)&(Ravenclaw & Hufflepuff)] with seven different years would be twenty-eight classes a week. If you didn't have double classes that would be four groups which would be fifty-six classes. And still Snape seems to have time to substitue for professors, occasionally referee for quittige, teach Harry occlumency, and spy on Voldermort. That is impossible as well. At some point we have to accept the fact that anything is possible in the world of Harry Potter.

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S.E. Jones - Sep 11, 2003 6:26 am (#52 of 983)

Let it snow!
Keep in mind, though, that he only accepts O stuedents into his NEWT class, so that narrows down the number considerably. Plus some may simply choose not to take Potions 6th and 7th years.

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mollis - Sep 11, 2003 6:50 am (#53 of 983)

I can't see DD even considering letting Harry be the DADA teacher. Harry has to concentrate on training himself, not worry about teaching a bunch of first years. I am hoping that he will continue with the DA as more of a practice group than teaching group and that DD will finally take a hands-on approach with Harry and teach Harry himself.

I think, according to form, the new DADA teacher will be someone we don't know yet. Or maybe someone we have heard of or met, but not had any significant contact with. Maybe Doris Crockford???

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Gabrielle D - Sep 11, 2003 3:18 pm (#54 of 983)

meep
How about Tonks? Snape? Bill? Kingsley? 'Dung? AHH ! What if Lucius gets out of Azkaban and it's him?

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S.E. Jones - Sep 12, 2003 12:30 pm (#55 of 983)

Let it snow!
Here's something kind of funny my brother and I came across today that might point to a female DADA teacher in Book 6. (BTW, we're only half-serious about this so have fun with it.)

CBC Radio's This Morning, 23 October, 2000
Rowling: "...if you look at the Hogwarts' staff - I had this discussion with someone the other day - it is exactly 50/50. Although it is true that you do have a headmaster as opposed to a headmistress, but that has not always been the case. As you will find out, there have been equal numbers of headmistresses." So, we went and counted all the staff and looked at how many were male vs. female and found that, excluding DD, there are exactly 6 of each in the regular staff, not counting the DADA position. The temp. teachers are Quirrell, Lockhart, Lupin, Moody, Umbridge, and Grubly-Plank (since she only substitutes Hagrid's class), that's 4 guys and 2 gals. My brother suggested this pointed to a female DADA teacher in Book 6 and either the same or a different female DADA techer in Book 7.

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Denise S. - Sep 12, 2003 12:40 pm (#56 of 983)

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A female DADA instructor?? It's gotta be Mrs. Figg this time!

I don't think Tonks would be accepted for the position, as she is just starting out in her profession and needs more "hands-on" experience before teaching people about it.

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Hem Hem - Sep 12, 2003 5:45 pm (#57 of 983)

How about Griselda Marchbanks? We learned from Chapter 15 that she resigned from her post on the Wizengamot, and proctoring the OWLs isn't exactly a full-time job.

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St. Mana - Sep 12, 2003 7:11 pm (#58 of 983)

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Ok. Like Harry could be a DADA teacher but it would have to be right after he graduates Hogwarts and before/during his Auror training.

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Liz Mann - Sep 14, 2003 8:23 am (#59 of 983)

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OK, I have a question. I dunno if it was mentioned anywhere above, so forgive me if it was.

If it's getting so hard to find DADA teachers, why doesn't Dumbledore do it himself? He used to teach Transfiguration. Isn't the Headmaster allowed to teach or something? If he wants to make sure they get a teacher who stays it's the obvious choice (or it could be his death sentense if the position really is cursed, but still...)

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Gabrielle D - Sep 14, 2003 8:44 am (#60 of 983)

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Maybe he just isn't qualified to teach the subject. I know he is Voldy's only fear and an increadible wizard, but you can be the best mathmatician in the world, but you went to school to teach social studies, hence, you're a social studies teacher.

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Denise S. - Sep 14, 2003 10:32 am (#61 of 983)

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I don't think DD would have the time to teach DADA; he is already the Headmaster, and a high-ranking member of the OotP, so he already has plenty on his plate without adding yet something else.

Altho' it would be cool from a plot point of view...but I don't see it happening (IMO).

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Liz Mann - Sep 14, 2003 12:28 pm (#62 of 983)

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I agree it would be cool to see it happen. We'd get to see how he teaches his students.

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dracomustgo - Sep 15, 2003 6:23 am (#63 of 983)

I think that in keeping with the theme of all the other books, It will be someone completely new to the storyline. So far, I can't think of where we have seen any of the DADA teachers before they were introduced as the new instructor.

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Joost! - Sep 15, 2003 7:34 am (#64 of 983)

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I think it will be someone new (it's a great opportunity to introduce a new character), but we'll see him or her before Harry arrives at Hogwarts. This was the case in all the books except GoF where we only heard about MEM before Harry actually saw him at the start of the school year.

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Denise S. - Sep 15, 2003 10:26 am (#65 of 983)

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This has been raised before, but I think it might narrow down the field--in past HP books, there has been a pattern to the type of DADA teachers of Hogwarts: Voldemort-controlled, Inept, and then Capable (for PS, CoS, and PoA respectively). The last two books have followed this pattern well--Voldemort-controlled and Inept (while Umbridge was a horrible person, people didn't learn a thing in her class, so I categorize her first as "Inept"). This would indicate that the next person up will know what they're doing and be able to teach a class.

(At the moment) I think that because there are only two books left, a new character isn't quite as likely to be the DADA. That would mean that the next DADA would have to be someone we know would be capable of teaching the class. I'm sure there have to be more than just one person, but Moody is the only person who comes to mind. However, I'm sure more will be brought up in discussion.

Then again, I suppose a new person can't be ruled out. Either way, my prediction is the next person will actually be a real teacher.

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Hem Hem - Sep 15, 2003 5:26 pm (#66 of 983)

I agree with Denise about the pattern at hand...but the question is, in what way will this new DADA teacher be similar to Lupin? Could he possibly be a half-breed? It would be pretty cool if the next DADA teacher's a vampire!

Then again, I'll happily go with a plain ol' competent teacher--whether it be someone we've met before or not.

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Slytherin Prefect - Sep 15, 2003 6:49 pm (#67 of 983)

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That tears it... The next DADA teacher will be Grawp!

"Okay... Now... Duck..." ^_^

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Denise S. - Sep 15, 2003 6:57 pm (#68 of 983)

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His method against Dark Arts spells wouldn't work, tho', as no one else in the school has giant's blood in them!

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Mare - Sep 16, 2003 7:18 am (#69 of 983)

No not Grawp! (throw nearest object at SP, being a mug with tea..)
I know you're joking but I didn't like Grawp a lot.

On the DADAteacher thing, I hope it is some-one we have met before, even if it is briefly. It would break the pattern of new persons each book. That way, I would find it less boring.
There are loads of interesting people in the books we have heard about, but there are also loads of people whom only have a name, and who could be potentially verry interesting.

I would love for some-one from the bones family to show up and teach DADA. Amelia (is that right?) sounded pretty cool to me.

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Fawkesy Lady - Sep 16, 2003 8:32 am (#70 of 983)

It would be a nice change to have someone we already know teach DADA. But I think it would also be nice to learn a bit about Lily, so perhaps one of Lily's friends can show up and tell Harry (and us) a bit about her. In the words of the immortal Forrest Gump, "That is all I have to say about that."
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Caitlin McCoy - Sep 16, 2003 1:28 pm (#71 of 983)

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Why doesn't SP's comment surprise me?

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S.E. Jones - Sep 16, 2003 11:41 pm (#72 of 983)

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Maybe that's how this person will be like Lupin, they were a friend of Lily's in the way Remus was a friend of James's. I still like the idea that the next DADA will be a woman, JK could make such a nice comparison with and contrast to Umbridge that way.
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Slytherin Prefect - Sep 17, 2003 1:37 am (#73 of 983)

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Why doesn't SP's comment surprise me?

Because if I were predictable, I'd be a Gryffindor. ^_^

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mollis - Sep 17, 2003 7:07 am (#74 of 983)

S.E., I am glad someone finally agrees with me. Way back on post #4 I said that I thought it could be a friend of Lily's, but nobody agreed or disagreed with me. If this pattern that we have identified is actually planned by JKR, then a female friend of Lily's who is a good teacher would fit the pattern perfectly!

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Joost! - Sep 18, 2003 2:22 am (#75 of 983)

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And the friend of Lily's will actually be Lily trapped in the wrong body. Or at least, I will suspect her to be.

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Liz Mann - Sep 18, 2003 3:04 am (#76 of 983)

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Hm... which would everyone prefer: a good teacher or a bad one? I gotta admit, with the exception of Lupin, the bad ones are a lot more interesting. And we won't be so sad to see them go at the end of the book (which they almost certainly will do).

I think the DADA teacher is quite likely to be someone we know, possibly even someone from the Order, because no one else would want the job. Five teachers in five years. It's no wonder they think it's jinxed.

By the way, does anyone think there could be some truth in that? The DADA position being jinxed, I mean. After all, it'd explain why they never last long. And look what's happened to those who have taken it... the first one died, the second lost his memory, the third was a werewolf, the forth wasn't the appointed person at all and the fifth now has a phobia of centaurs.

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Bluenote1313 - Sep 18, 2003 11:45 am (#77 of 983)

I don't know if jinxed is the right word...Moody (real or not) was only going to be there a year anyway as a favor to DD. Also I think Lupin was asked to be the teacher by DD because of the situation with Sirius escaping, leading me to thing DD knew more then he let on about the past. I think it offers us a way to introduce characters intergral to the plot without having to adjust history of existing characters. It would not make much sense to all of sudden in book 6 make Hagrid the DADA, he has been there the whole time, why not do it sooner? I expect we will see a new person introduced, likely a friend of the Potter's from years ago.

Also, I think JKR is smart enough to notice her pattern, already discussed, with the DADA teachers and throw a wrench in it...what that is I have no idea.

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Denise S. - Sep 18, 2003 1:00 pm (#78 of 983)

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Liz Mann: "Hm... which would everyone prefer: a good teacher or a bad one? I gotta admit, with the exception of Lupin, the bad ones are a lot more interesting."

Ah, but Liz, the only good one was Lupin anyhow! So then they'd all be equally interesting! ;-D

As for the idea that a friend of Lily's will come and teach--I'm not sure. It would be nice, since we hardly hear anything about Lily, but somehow that would almost be too perfectly patterned...

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Pinky - Sep 18, 2003 1:01 pm (#79 of 983)

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I'd like to add my vote for the next DADA teacher being Kingsley Shacklebolt. I think it's possible that he may lose his job at the MoM. He was supposed to be leading the search for Sirius, and even convinced his superiors that Sirius was supposed to be far away from England. (I think - not sure where the reference is.) I'm quite sure the captured DEs will be pleased to inform everyone that they killed Sirius while in the MoM building. It will be apparent that Kingsley was either completely inept at his job, or was involved in a cover-up. Even though they don't have proof of Sirius' body, I think it is highly possible that Kingsley's superiors will decide to sack him for not doing his job properly. This leaves him in need of a job. Dumbledore could then invite him to Hogwarts to teach DADA.

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Caitlin McCoy - Sep 18, 2003 1:06 pm (#80 of 983)

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In book 5 it says that Kingsley was feeding the Aurors information about him (Sirius) being somewheres...it's when we first meet him, or in the subsequent chapter. Kingsley would be an excellent teacher, I think...but I do agree that the horrid teachers are alot more fun, since you're seldom sorry to see them go.

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S.E. Jones - Sep 18, 2003 4:11 pm (#81 of 983)

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I don't see why they'd fire him. Does the MoM even know that Sirius was there, would the Order tell them? All the Ministry would have is the testimony of a group of DEs and I hardly think they'll believe them.....

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Hem Hem - Sep 18, 2003 5:47 pm (#82 of 983)

Is the DADA job jinxed? I remember an old thread where we tried to find some canon reference to this....and as far as I can remember, none existed. I think the only finding was a time when Percy said, "people say that the DADaA job is jinxed" or something. Oh gosh, does anyone have the reference?

I firmly believe that there's more to the story, though. I think someone is trying to prevent Harry from getting a quality DADA education. We have no reason to believe that they went through a teacher a year prior to Harry starting at Hogwarts, after all.

The question is, who?

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Olivia Wood - Sep 18, 2003 8:36 pm (#83 of 983)

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We do have reason to believe that the teachers didn't last long before Harry got there, although admittadly probably longer than a year. Percy said that at the beginning of book 1, so there had to be reson to believe it was jinxed before Quirrel even got there.

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Hem Hem - Sep 18, 2003 9:33 pm (#84 of 983)

However, didn't Quirrel teach at Hogwarts prior to his stint in P/SS? He lasted more than a year, if that's the case. My point basically is that the trend where every teacher lasts exactly one year may have begun pnly once Harry joined Hogwarts.

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timrew - Sep 24, 2003 5:01 pm (#85 of 983)

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The DADA teacher. It won't be (for the following reasons):-

ANY members of the Order. They will all be needed to fight Voldy - except maybe Moody; he was dragged out of retirement, and was knocked out quite early in the battle at the MOM. He also has lots of bits missing, and can't afford to lose any more.

Harry. Doesn't the poor kid have enough on his plate?

Krum. He'll be too busy playing Quidditch for his country.

Fleur Delacourt. Too young and inexperienced to teach the Hogwarts kids how to fight Voldemort; and also too much of a distraction in class for the male students!

Dumbledore. The Order needs him far more than the DADA class; besides, his speciality was Transfiguration.

Draco Malfoy. He's too thick.

Arabella Figg. She's a Squib!

Voldemort. He's too busy becoming Master Of The Universe.

Who might be DADA teacher (for the following reasons):-

Alastor Moody. JKR promised us he would be COOL. And I don't think he was in OOP - until the end, anyway. This would give him his chance to shine!

Dobby the House Elf. The kids would learn a whole new kinda magic!

Snape. The main man is at last unleashed on the DADA class. Gilderoy Lockhart is drafted in to teach Potions! (kidding).

Someone totally unknown. JKR does what she always has done with the DADA position.

Just my two Knuts......

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Caitlin McCoy - Sep 25, 2003 4:46 pm (#86 of 983)

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Alastor Moody. JKR promised us he would be COOL. And I don't think he was in OOP - until the end, anyway. This would give him his chance to shine!

He was in the beginning, remember? He told Harry not to put his wand in his back pocket because plenty of good wizards had lost a buttock that way! But I just loved the way he treated Vernon, must've been something to see!

~Caitlin

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S.E. Jones - Sep 25, 2003 5:45 pm (#87 of 983)

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Hey Tim!

Wouldn't protecting and preparing Harry be the most important job on the Order's agenda, though? I'm sure DD would be willing to spare an Order member if it meant that Harry was safe and learning.....

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Joost! - Sep 26, 2003 7:12 am (#88 of 983)

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And I wouldn't rule out a certain Dark Lord, Tim, in SS/PS he should've been very busy trying to regain his body, but he stuck around for Harry's DADA classes. Maybe he can use Lucius as a substitute Dark Lord, so he has time to teach the poor children some decent Dark Arts (I'm not so sure about the "Defence Against"-part, though.)

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prof gondra - Sep 26, 2003 12:50 pm (#89 of 983)

Kingsley or Mad-Eye both excellent choices for DADA. Harry could continue the DA as an extra-curricula activity.

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timrew - Sep 26, 2003 5:21 pm (#90 of 983)

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Hi Sarah! My money is on the real Mad Eye Moody. One of the reasons being that JKR has implied that there could be a DADA teacher that lasts more than one book (someone tell me I haven't dreamt this!). So I don't think for book six she'll be introducing a completely new character as she has done previously, for her readers to get to know.

Also, Moody would then be given the chance to 'shine' and show how cool he is; maybe turning Malfoy into a ferret again, and perhaps turning Crabbe and Goyle into, oh, a couple of rabbits, to give Draco the mad ferret something to chase.

I suppose, using this argument, that it could also be old Severus; but then Harry wouldn't have Snape for his NEWTS potions; and we're all looking forward to that, aren't we?

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Doris Crockford - Sep 27, 2003 9:03 am (#91 of 983)

I always figured (well, just since I read that interview) that the DADA teacher who lasts more than one book would have been DADA teacher before. And the way JKR said it seemed that she was trying to give us a clue without saying, 'The DADA teacher in Book 6 is staying for Book 7'. Quirrell's dead, Lockhart's insane, Crouch Jr. lost his memory, and Umbridge, well, she isn't coming back. That leaves Moody and Lupin to come back. Lupin can't come back because he's a werewolf. Therefore, Moody HAS to come back(or maybe this is just wishful thinking). And that leaves Snape for DADA for Book 7, where the curse will still be in place, and he can die his heroic death (or not-so-heroic).

Sorry if I'm repeating anything. It's been awhile since I read the beginning of this thread.

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Blast - Sep 27, 2003 12:18 pm (#92 of 983)

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Why not Karkaroff he needs a place to hide and DD could be the protection he needs

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Rich - Sep 27, 2003 7:25 pm (#93 of 983)

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Their's every possibility that the teacher could be one of the people in the photo that Moody showed Harry. They suit the bill because we have heard of them but we haven't yet met them and they will be cool teachers because they're in the Order.

In the NEWT classes of DADA do they learn how to perform the Unforgivable Curses? If they don't Harry will need to have extra lessons. Afterall he does need to know how to kill Voldemort. He tried the Cruciatus Curse Bellatrix (I love that name. The name, not the person) but it didn't work because he didn't mean it.

That's part of the reason why he won't be the teacher, not only is he too young and not good enough but he also has Occlumency lessons and maybe the added weight of more DADA classes.

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Joost! - Sep 28, 2003 3:11 am (#94 of 983)

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I can't imagine Dumbledore allowing Unforgivable Curses to be taught at Hogwarts, they are illegal (not no mention unforgivable). I don't know if Harry needs to kill LV, but he probably won't use Avada Kedavra (because of the Priori Incantato effect).

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virgoddess1313 - Sep 28, 2003 10:14 am (#95 of 983)

Well, I could be completely wrong (as it's happened before), but as to the speculation of either Harry or Dumbledore taking over DADA, I seriously have doubts. Both of them have far too many other things to worry about without having to bother with teaching a class.

I have a leaning towards either the real Moody or Bill Weasley. Bill has my vote though. I love the Weasley's and I for one would like to see more of both Bill and Charlie.

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Kowalla - Sep 28, 2003 7:04 pm (#96 of 983)

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OK, this will probably carry no relevance to anything, but if Haryy DID want to become the new DADA teacher, couldn't he use the time-changing clock that Hermione had?

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schoff - Sep 28, 2003 7:19 pm (#97 of 983)

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There's more to teaching than just holding a class, so I would say no. You have to lesson-plan, grade, create assessments and tests, paperwork, etc. That's outside classroom time, and the majority of the work. Harry would need to redo days and not hours if he were teaching. That's a lot of time to catch up on.

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Rich - Sep 29, 2003 1:45 am (#98 of 983)

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No offence to anyone who came up with the theory, but I think the chances of Harry being the new DADA teacher are nil. Just because he taught a couple of dozen kids how to produce a Patronus in OoP doesn't mean he can take up a full-time teaching position.

Even if that was on the cards, Harry would never want to do it.

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LilyP - Sep 30, 2003 3:57 pm (#99 of 983)

I would agree that Harry becoming the new DADA teacher is not likely. But I'm contemplating two other options mentioned.

Bill (or Charlie Weasley), now there is an idea! I like it. We've heard quite a bit more about Bill in OotP. Now that the existance of Voldemort is no longer in dispute, Bill could leave Gringotts and head to Hogwarts. He was needed at Gringotts to keep an ear to the ground as to the leanings of the goblins, but with FLeur Delacour working there, she can become the inside connection.

I also am toying with someone's comment about Snape becoming the DADA teacher. There is definitely a reason why Dumbledore is keeping him from the position, but why?? He would be a great teacher for that position, and then allow Harry to learn NEWT potions from someone a little less stressful. Not to mention the odds of Harry receiving an OUTSTANDING in his potion owls is highly unlikely, so he wouldn't be accepted in Snape's class without an exception (which is probably what will happen barring Snape changing positions).

I still think I'm leaning towards Bill. He just seems like a perfect addition to the faculty, and he is a good guy - no obvious reasons to give him the boot after one year. But these are both interesting ideas to ponder.

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Slytherin Prefect - Sep 30, 2003 4:31 pm (#100 of 983)

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Bill would be a natural choice, being that he is currently working as a curse-breaker... However, now that Fleur Delacour is working at Gringotts as well, what do you think the odds are of tearing him away from there?

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LilyP - Sep 30, 2003 5:03 pm (#101 of 983)
Well, of course this is pure speculation, but since that's what we do here, I'll continue. They get married?? So, this would be a good opportunity for the spouses to be introduced (as suggested by JKR in an interview). Just an idea. I also think Bill understands the importance of supporting the order in whatever manner is necessary. If that means teaching DADA to Harry, then he'd go.

On the other hand, I've had more time to think about the Snape appointment. I talked about briefly earlier, but I had a chance to think a little more indepth on the subject. (My apologies to anyone who read this on the Snape thread, but I thought it fit better here anyway.)

I am of the thought that now would be a good time to consider Snape for the DADA position. It would free up the position of potions for someone else, who might actually be able to teach Harry something. I think Harry's strength in the DADA field will help him endure Snape's-well, shall we say personality quirks. Harry is easily intimidated in potions class, and therefore he has not had time to build his confidence. He has the confidence in DADA, so he could withstand a little abuse from Snape better. Snape could also take Harry to the advanced levels of DADA that he will need, not for the NEWTs, but for his final battles with Voldemort.

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Dr Filibuster - Sep 30, 2003 5:11 pm (#102 of 983)

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I like the suggestions for Bill, Kingsley Dumbledore and Moody for all the reasons given. Even the idea of Snape fits if Harry doesn't do Potions NEWT.

But somehow I just feel it in my water that there will be another female DADA. Lily's friend (is this too similar to Lupin being James' mate?), Tonks, Molly (who was a contender for Book 5) or another member of the Order.

Here's a long shot, perhaps the longest I've ever made...how about a person from Harry's primary school?

In the first book we are told that he just stays at 4 Privet Drive, goes to school, or occasionally goes to Mrs Figgs'. We know he is observed/watched/monitored. He would have started compulsary full time education just one month after his 4th birthday. Would Dumbledore and/or the minstry assume he was generally safe because Voldemort was reportedly so far away and weak? Or would he be seen as vunerable to Deatheaters so somebody watched him a school? Only trouble is JK hasn't hinted at this or mentioned people from his primary school apart from the Headmistress who complained he was on the roof. There's nothing about teachers, dinnerladies or even a lollipop lady. And he seemed to have had such a lonely, miserable time with no friends and being bullied by Dudley it doesn't bode well for her to be a good teacher.

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mischa fan - Sep 30, 2003 6:19 pm (#103 of 983)

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All this speculation is fun, but I must admit that I think that JKR is going to do what she has done every time in the past books, the new DADA teacher is going to be someone we have not met yet. I do think that the new teacher will be a good teacher, and an old friend of Dumbledore.

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michael hartlein - Sep 30, 2003 6:54 pm (#104 of 983)

what if Dumbledore himself is going to be the DADA i mean he is like the greatest wizard of the modern wizarding era isnt he?

think he would be a great DADA teacher and even in OOTP at the mom battle he was emitting powerful spells with just a swish of his wand if he can do that he can surely teach DADA

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mischa fan - Sep 30, 2003 7:04 pm (#105 of 983)

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michael if you would please go to

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I agree that Dumbledore would make a wonderful DADA teacher, I just don't think he has the time as Headmaster and leader of the Order to teach DADA as well.

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Blast - Sep 30, 2003 7:35 pm (#106 of 983)

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I like the idea of Mrs. Weasley becoming the dada teacher.She has a soft side but you would not want to get her mad.Ginny might have learned the curse of the boogies from her.

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Neville Longbottom - Oct 1, 2003 7:20 am (#107 of 983)

I don't want Mrs. Weasley to become the DADA teacher. I am already worried enough about her safety. If she becomes the DADA teacher, she probably snuffs it by the end of the book.

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Weeny Owl - Oct 1, 2003 8:39 am (#108 of 983)

I'm not sure Molly Weasley would make a good DADA teacher since she was so adamant about what the children were told in Sirius's kitchen shortly after Harry arrived at 12 Grimmauld Place.

I like her in general, but she's too protective in some ways. I can't quite see her wanting kids to know about a lot of things.

I also think she might have difficulties beyond what many DADA teachers might in dealing with some of the Slytherins.

Then again, it might provide some comic relief if Molly were to put Draco in detention.

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Madame Librarian - Oct 1, 2003 2:27 pm (#109 of 983)

Molly? Not sure about that. She's very emotional when it comes to her kids and Harry. Remember she was incapable of dealing with that Boggart at 12GP.

Ciao. Barb

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Dr Filibuster - Oct 1, 2003 5:51 pm (#110 of 983)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
Good point about the Boggart. In fact Molly does seem less likely to ever be a DADA teacher after this latest book...despite her being on guard duty for the Order.

It was such a funny idea though. It wasn't mine I hasten to add. Imagine the look on Ron's face when he found out. Imagine Molly putting Draco in his place. Think of all the background information Harry could glean.

My mum was a teacher at my school and I definately saw a different side to all my teachers, as well as being privy to information about pupils. Perhaps that's why I saw so much potential in this. NB JKR's mum was a lab technician at her school wasn't she? Alas, I don't think Molly will join them in the staff room now.

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S.E. Jones - Oct 1, 2003 7:06 pm (#111 of 983)

Let it snow!
Couldn't you get the same, or similar, inside track by having Bill as DADA teacher instead of Molly?

I would love to see Bill as DADA teacher but I think JKR will probably go with the same formula she's used thus far and pick a new character, probably one with a connection to James and Lily....

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Rich - Oct 1, 2003 8:16 pm (#112 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
When it was mentioned that Snape could be the DADA teacher it made perfect sense. Harry is more than capable in DADA so he's bound to pass, and because he won't get an Outstanding in his OWLS he can still get into Potions because the teacher might not expect the students to get Outstanding.

But I still like the idea of the position always being just out of Snape's reach. Let him suffer.

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Hem Hem - Oct 1, 2003 10:45 pm (#113 of 983)

It would be cool for her to be a nice woman living in a cute cottage in Hogsmeade, who departs from her typical routine of the decades to teach at Hogwarts, and she turns up to be the widow of an old Order member, and a childhood friend of Lily's. Of course, this is purely my own little wishful thinking, but it would be cool, no?

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Rich - Oct 2, 2003 1:54 am (#114 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
This is a long shot but...what if it was Igor Karkaroff seeking refuge from Voldemort so he comes to Hogwarts and he is given the position. He'd be able to teach them what they're going to be up against.

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LilyP - Oct 2, 2003 2:59 pm (#115 of 983)

Hey, there's an idea. Someone we know, and someone who knows the stuff. Although there is the whole trustworthy issue. We know Dumbledore trusts Snape, therefore we can trust him, but can we stretch our trust even further for another DE like Karkaroff? I'm not sure.

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S.E. Jones - Oct 2, 2003 3:16 pm (#116 of 983)

Let it snow!
I know Dd's a trusting sort and willing to give second chances to just about anyone, but wouldn't he want to be even more careful now about who he places around Harry?

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Hem Hem - Oct 2, 2003 5:42 pm (#117 of 983)

Does Karkaroff want to be at Hogwarts at a time when he knows that Voldy wants to punish him/kill him? If he teaches DADA, surely Draco Malfoy will tell his father who's teaching. That would have very inevitable negative consequences for Igor, if you catch my drift....

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LilyP - Oct 2, 2003 6:27 pm (#118 of 983)

Good point. I'm back to Bill or Snape, but I'm keeping my options open.

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mischa fan - Oct 2, 2003 7:22 pm (#119 of 983)

Easy being green, it is not
Hem Hem: Does Karkaroff want to be at Hogwarts at a time when he knows that Voldy wants to punish him/kill him?

Hagrid(P/SS): Gringotts is the safest place in the world fer anything yeh want ter keep safe-'cept maybe Hogwarts.

So maybe Karkaroff would want to return to Hogwarts so Dumbledore could keep him safe.

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Hem Hem - Oct 2, 2003 7:33 pm (#120 of 983)

Only if he could hide his identity enough to fool Draco Malfoy.

HEY! He could be a metamorphmagus, and change his name! It's just so crazy it could work!

Thanks for the idea, Jim!

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S.E. Jones - Oct 2, 2003 8:24 pm (#121 of 983)

Let it snow!
I still don't think Dd would want him around. What if he somehow arranged a trade with the Dark Lord, say his life for Harry's? He's just too much of a potential danger in my opinion....

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shepherdess - Oct 3, 2003 1:34 am (#122 of 983)

55 year old mother of 3, step-mother of 2, grandmom to 3, living in Oklahoma
JKR has said that she made the staff at Hogwarts fifty-fifty with males and females. Now that DD has hired Firenze (male), wouldn't that pretty much mean the next DADA teacher would have to be female?

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Rich - Oct 3, 2003 4:17 am (#123 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Although I suggested it, I'm finding the Karkaroff idea less and less likely. He's a coward (like nearly all the other DE) therefore he will be quite content hiding at Durmstrang or wherever he is.

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Fawkes Forever - Oct 3, 2003 5:33 am (#124 of 983)

Crookshanks is not ugly, he's just aesthetically challenged ;o) Hee hee, looks like there's more than one ginger male in Hermiones life!
What if Snape borrowed Nevilles Grans' hat, dress & handbag.... & became the new 'female' DADA teacher... hee hee! Just kiddin Snape in drag..... hee hee!

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Blast - Oct 3, 2003 1:31 pm (#125 of 983)

I think I'm back!
How about Nevilles gran? Does not lupin describe her as formable? If she sees the improvement in Nevilles abilities she just might start to encourage him instead of comparing him to his father.She might also want some payback for her son and daughter inlaw.

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Rich - Oct 4, 2003 8:36 pm (#126 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
A Granma teaching one of the most physical subjects at Hogwarts...I doubt it.

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Madame Librarian - Oct 4, 2003 8:40 pm (#127 of 983)

Careful, rich13, you are probably sharing this Forum with any number of grandparental types. Let's not be narrow-minded here about age restrictions on abilities, even physically demanding ones. These people are Wizards, after all.

There is absolutely no reason a grandmother could not teach DADA, assuming, of course, she was qualified in the first place.

Ciao. Barb

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Hem Hem - Oct 4, 2003 11:20 pm (#128 of 983)

Dumbledore, after all, is 150 years old, and I don't think anyone would say he's not fit to teach anymore!~

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Rich - Oct 7, 2003 2:15 am (#129 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Sorry if I offended anyone.

If you had your son and daughter-in-law hospitalized for life by a dark wizard would you be mentally and emotionally stable enough to teach student how to defend themselves against dark wizards?

But then again Neville's Gran does seem like a very stable person. I just don't think she is the kind of person to teach DADA, regardless of her age.

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Madame Librarian - Oct 7, 2003 8:12 am (#130 of 983)

I think the only problem with Gran Longbottom being the DADA teacher (if that's how the plot plays out) would be her ridiculous hats!

Ciao. Barb

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LilyP - Oct 7, 2003 1:34 pm (#131 of 983)

How about Victor Krum? He was mentioned early on, but I don't know that that possiblity has been played out. He's got the background from his school. It seems like so much was put into building his character. It would not suprise me if he showed up again as a DADA teacher/ Seeker coach.

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Ricky Warner - Oct 8, 2003 4:48 am (#132 of 983)

I have had a sudden brainwave and reckon its going to be Lucius Malfoy or Narcissa.

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Denise P. - Oct 8, 2003 6:27 am (#133 of 983)

Ravenclaw Pony
Will Lucius be teaching a coorespondence course from Azkaban?

I can't see where Dumbledore would hire any known Death Eater or the wife of a known Death Eater.

It would not surprise me to see Moody become the DADA since he is supposed to be cooler than his Crouch counterfeit.

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Fawkesy Lady - Oct 9, 2003 7:12 am (#134 of 983)

I don't see any Malfoy's teaching DADA. Only because it is DEFENSE against the dark arts, not Dark Arts.

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Ricky Warner - Oct 9, 2003 8:53 am (#135 of 983)

Yeah, but Fawksey Lady, Umbridge taught it. that should explain my point perfectly.

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Fawkesy Lady - Oct 9, 2003 9:18 am (#136 of 983)

But Ricky, Umbridge was teaching according to Ministry regulations (that she set up) which was only theory. Think of what Malfoy would or wouldn't teach.

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Weeny Owl - Oct 9, 2003 9:22 am (#137 of 983)

Ricky, we don't know that Umbridge was a Death Eater. Sirius said that the world isn't divided into good people and Death Eaters. Plus, Umbridge wasn't exactly teaching anyone about anything defensive. Also, the Ministry of Magic in general and Fudge in particular was heavily involved in what happened at Hogwarts at that time, but with the exposure of Voldie being back, they would have no reason to try to appoint another Umbridge to a position at Hogwarts.

Now that it's been proven that Dumbledore was telling the truth all along, the Ministry probably won't stick its collective nose into what he does with the school. Dumbledore isn't going to hire Narcissa after finding out that she was involved with Kreacher and luring Harry to the Department of Mysteries. With Lucius being a known Death Eater and being in Azkaban, even if Lucius escaped, he'd be on the run from Aurors.

The only possibility I could see for a DADA teacher who is related to the Malfoys, even if only by marriage, would be Andromeda, Nymphadora Tonks's mother.

Edit: I didn't see Fawksey's post while I was typing mine, but that's a much better way of phrasing it... according to Ministry Regulations (that she set up) which was only theory.

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Hem Hem - Oct 9, 2003 10:52 pm (#138 of 983)

I'm in shock. Weeny Owl, I was just about to post how Andromeda would be a perfect candidate for DADA, and then I see that you've just posted it! Serious ESP there!

Tonks told us a lot about her background and even went so far as to explain her mom's unique ability to fold socks by magic. From all the information we learn about Tonks in the first chapter after meeting her (her age, her parents names, her lineage, her secret weapon, her fatal flaw), there's got to be some huge revelation.

And then I was thinking, along the lines of some of the things earlier in this thread, all about how a friend of Lily's would be perfect for DADA teacher, a person who had lived quietly in a cottage in Hogsmeade, who decides to do Dumbledore a favor and go into teaching....and it struck me that Andromeda might actually fit the bill rather nicely.

If Tonks is about 21 years old and Andromeda gave birth to her at age 20, then Andromeda would be roughly 40 years old at this point. Lily, if you assume she's the same age as Snape (and you follow the Lexicon's timeline) is about 36 or 37 by now. The two of them could potentially have been friend at that age spread, right?

And the only things we really know about Andromeda are that she was Siius' favorite cousin, and that she has a nice was of folding socks...to me, this evokes a certain image of precisely the sort of person we had been dreaming of in the posts above. It could work!

The only problem, I think, is that we already know so much about Andromeda....probably too much. JKR might give us a DADA teacher whse name has appeared in the series before, but probably not someone with this much coverage already. Oh well.

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Weeny Owl - Oct 9, 2003 11:15 pm (#139 of 983)

Hem Hem

If JKR keeps her Hogwarts staff at 50/50 male and female, and if Firenze is kept as one of the Divination teachers, then she would almost have to add a female DADA teacher.

Andromeda sounds like a good choice because she married a Muggle so she wouldn't have a pureblood prejudice, her daughter is unique so she wouldn't be the least bit fazed by Luna, and if Sirius liked her, chances are she wouldn't be into the Dark Arts. Not to mention that it would probably make Draco totally livid.

If JKR goes with a male, my vote is still for Bill Weasley, but the more I think about Andromeda the more I like the idea.

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Joost! - Oct 10, 2003 1:15 am (#140 of 983)

Second line of information
Weeny Owl: "...and if Sirius liked her, chances are she wouldn't be into the Dark Arts."

Sirius liked Wormtail... I'm sorry to bring this up, but I don't trust anybody anymore, until Dumbledore says he does.

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Neville Longbottom - Oct 10, 2003 4:06 am (#141 of 983)

Male staff members: Dumbledore, Hagrid, Snape, Binns, Flitwick, Filch, Firenze

Female staff members: McGonagall, Sprout, Trelawney, Pomfrey, Sinistra, Vector, Pince

Male teachers: Hagrid, Snape, Binns, Flitwick, Firenze

Female teachers: McGonagall, Sprout, Trelawney, Sinistra, Vector

If I didn't forget anyone, than it is currently, without the DADA teacher, exactly fifty-fifty, no matter, if we count all the staff members or only the teachers. After Firenze was hired, it was also fifty-fifty, but only, because Trelawney was fired the same day. Now, with Umbridge gone and Trelawney (probably) back, it's again "even" between the male and female staff members. Therefore it doesn't necessarily have to be a woman. No matter if the new teacher is male or female, it won't be exactly fifty-fifty. At least, if nobody else is sacked or hired.

Edit: I just realised that I forgot Madam Hooch. Therefore, there are currently more female than male staff member in Hogwarts.

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Mayme Fitzgerald - Oct 10, 2003 7:12 am (#142 of 983)

I wonder if one of Cedric Diggory's parents could teach DADA? Amos was sort of a twit to Harry, so he would have comic potential. Mrs. Diggory seemed to be a well-balanced person. With Voldy out in the open, they may wish to try and protect other students as well as possible after what happened to Cedric.

These books are getting more tense all of the time, so comic relief in the DADA job may be needed. It is always someone somewhat shocking, which probably rules out a Diggory. I think Mundungus would be funny, but he is too important to the order. Alberforth might be able to give up the bartending and that would have some potential too. I think Molly would have the most comic potential. ("Oh, we'll be working on stunning today. Well, Harry dear, would you and Ronald please run the attendance in to the office so you don't get hurt?)

Bill Weasley is my favorite for the job, but I don't think it will happen. It may be that this time, the most predictable person gets the job cause they really have to learn this stuff. That would be Moody.

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Weeny Owl - Oct 10, 2003 9:20 am (#143 of 983)

Joost! - "Sirius liked Wormtail... I'm sorry to bring this up, but I don't trust anybody anymore, until Dumbledore says he does"

Neville - "I just realised that I forgot Madam Hooch. Therefore, there are currently more female than male staff member in Hogwarts"

Argh, well that blows my Andromeda theory, dang it! Well, maybe not completely, but enough so that I won't hold my breath hoping for her.

Mayme - "Bill Weasley is my favorite for the job, but I don't think it will happen. It may be that this time, the most predictable person gets the job cause they really have to learn this stuff. That would be Moody."

I definitely agree with you about Bill, but you're right about Moody being the better choice. If it is Moody, I wonder if the real Moody would turn Draco into a ferret.

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Madame Librarian - Oct 10, 2003 9:38 am (#144 of 983)

I don't think we need to hold JKR to a strict 50/50 male-female staff split. She was asked and responded to the status at that point in the story. It would be unrealistic of us to hold her to a quota if the needs of the plot proved otherwise. She is in charge, after all.

Ciao. Barb

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Fawkesy Lady - Oct 10, 2003 10:59 am (#145 of 983)

In response to post 139, Weeny writes, "Not to mention that it would probably make Draco totally livid," about Andromeda being the new DADA teacher. That would infuriate the whole Malfoy family! Yes that would be great to see how she relates to her own nephew.

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Blast - Oct 10, 2003 6:56 pm (#146 of 983)

I think I'm back!
I do not think that Bill Weasley will become the DADA teacher. He is needed at Gringotts to liason with the Goblins. The OP needs him there so he can see what way the Goblins are leaning.I think that we will see a new character in the position.Lupin was an unknown in book three.Tonks et. al. were a flood of new characters in book five.Snape will not get the position because DD would have let him have the DADA in OoP just to prevent Umbridge from getting it.The members of the order all have their jobs to do and I do not think they can be spared to teach. This time the new DADA must be able to teach the students something so we will see someone compedent.Maybe we will see a former DADA teacher who taught before Querell.

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Joost! - Oct 11, 2003 7:55 am (#147 of 983)

Second line of information
I hope it will be a new character. It's a perfect opportunaty to introduce someone, even if he or she will have nothing to do with the plot (like Lockhart).

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Emily - Oct 12, 2003 4:24 pm (#148 of 983)

Lockhart did have something to do with the plot. He(or his memory charm, you pick) was the reason that Harry weny into the Chamber alone. Also, if Harry and Ron hadn't been going to tell him what they knew about the Chamber they might never have left Gryffindor Tower.

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Hem Hem - Oct 12, 2003 9:29 pm (#149 of 983)

Well, every DADA teacher since Lockhart has had an impact on the rest of the series and future books (of course, Umbridge's case is questionable), but I think JKR likes playing with a DADA teacher that holds a role in future books.

Of course, with inly 5 books in print, it's hard to say what's a pattern and what just coincidence.

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Peregrine - Oct 13, 2003 2:10 pm (#150 of 983)

Lockhart also gave the trio reason for seeing Neville at St. Mungos over Christmas.

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Rich - Oct 14, 2003 1:39 am (#151 of 983)
Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
I hope it's someone new who is from somewhere else in the world eg. Australia. I'd love to see someone from my country in the books. Not only would it be fresh and a change but it would open up a whole new aspect of the WW eg. whether other parts of the world are affected by Voldemort as much as Europe.

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Lenka - Oct 15, 2003 1:18 am (#152 of 983)

ahhhh essays
How about Tonks? That would be neat. I know she's an auror, but she might be sent to Hogwarts to protect it, and just take the teacher job for the fun of it...

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prof gondra - Oct 15, 2003 6:18 pm (#153 of 983)

Yes, good one Lenka, Tonks, she's an Auror and Harry could still have the DA as well. It could be an excellent one-two punch. Provided Tonks is not too busy with business for the Order.

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Susurro Notities - Oct 15, 2003 8:27 pm (#154 of 983)

Edited by Oct 15, 2003 8:28 pm
Rich 13, I too would like to learn more about the WW outside of England and the small bits we have heard from Europe. I don't think Voldemort is having much effect on the rest of the WW now. Hitler didn't either during his rise. WWII did though. Possibly VWII will too. A DADA professor from another area of the world would be a good way to view the effects of VWII on the world.

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Rich - Oct 16, 2003 12:22 am (#155 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
I always thought the world tried to ignore Hitler and his anti-Semite ways before WW2.

Even if the teacher was just from France or somewhere it would give us a broader view.

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Mad Goose - Oct 16, 2003 8:22 am (#156 of 983)

DADA is not a class just for Harry or the defense against the Dark Lord. It is a class, just like any other class that will need a teacher capable of teaching stucture to the 1st years and building on that foundation for the 2nd years and etc for each additional year. Harry needs additional instruction in Occlumency and Dark Arts. Not only the defense of Dark Arts will be enough. Harry could possibly learn enough through out his life to defeat Voldemort but could not in the next 2 years with out extra training. This will most likely come from DD. Harry will need to stop Voldemort from 'peeking' into his mind so Occlumency will continue. I think he'll pick up Leglimency as well. What has this to do with the Book 6 teacher? The person will be a competent teacher because DD will have no choice but to get a highly qualified person. The students lives are depending on it. Not because of VWII, but because they will need this class for OWL and NEWTS.

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Detail Seeker - Oct 16, 2003 1:30 pm (#157 of 983)

Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
Mad Goose wrote: ...DD will have no choice but to get a highly qualified person...

I know it it not nice to pull a part of a sentence out of its context, but this one is tempting. It implies, that Dumbledore deliberately took incompetent teachers for DADA. He will hire the best person available. But he had no choice in three occasions. Will he have a choice in book 6 ?

That is, I think the important question, that JKR has to answer. We could think of several able candidates, that a l l have other duties, too.

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LevTRox - Oct 16, 2003 2:21 pm (#158 of 983)

"Remember three commands: distrust the bourgeoisie; control your own leaders; and rely on your revolutionary strength!" ...*sigh*...wit, guts, brains...my hero.
I agree with the *REAL TEACHER* idea.

There seem to be a lot of magic schools about in Greay Britain, France...somewhere in, I think, north/east Europe, Brazil (in the Wizard cards in my cousin's video game they mentioned QUEEN MAEVE teaching wizards in Ireland (perhaps that's still up and running? If Shamus's mum wanted him to leave Hogwarts she must have had in mind somewhere convenient for him to transfer to).

Maybe Dumbledore's headhunted one of the teacher's from these schools to fill the position? (And possibly risk them falling victim to the jinx? Something he was unwilling to do before?)

What is the nature of this jinx anyway? Did someone put it on the job to stop the subject being taught? Or is it some how trying to get the *right* person?

MY THEORY:

the DADA teacher will have taught for some time at another magic school
they will be very good at their job
they will be a new character
They will be a mate of Lily's (or possibly one of the teacher's spouses - I'm bizaredly compelled to put my cash on it being snape's)

(more later)

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Dr Filibuster - Oct 16, 2003 3:09 pm (#159 of 983)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
Have you read the book 6 and 7 thread yet?

There are a couple of quotes from JKR that sprang to mind when I read your post LevTRox.

One was a reply to somebody enquiring if Snape will ever fall in love, it went somethng like..."Eurgh what a horrible thought" So I don't think Snape has a partner.

Another asked if we learn more of Lily. Rowling said yes in book 5 and lots in book 7. I know I was one of those who proposed Lily's friend as Dada for the sixth novel, but now I think that would be too much like Lupin being James' mate.....not that he told us much about him!

And I would like to add my approval of a foreign DADA, especially one from a different continent. One who has vastly different methods and techniques with their magic. Or would that be too similar to Firenze who is even a different SPECIES?

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S.E. Jones - Oct 16, 2003 3:27 pm (#160 of 983)

Let it snow!
What's so wrong with the new DADA teacher being Lily's friend like Lupin was James's? Isn't that sort of the point of establishing a trend, so that things will follow it?

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Mad Goose - Oct 17, 2003 6:26 am (#161 of 983)

Seeker, DD, it seams to me, has accepted those who would take the job. Even Moody was a favor. Lupin was a chance he had to take to fill the position. Lupin was good no doubt, but unliked by some because of his condition.(Lycanthropy) I see DD under no obligation to just fill the position and under no control of the Ministry to accept another Umbridge. I'm saying he'll spend more time seeking a qualified person because it is now more important than ever. So I'm saying I agree with all of you and none of you at the same time.

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LevTRox - Oct 17, 2003 9:24 am (#162 of 983)

"Remember three commands: distrust the bourgeoisie; control your own leaders; and rely on your revolutionary strength!" ...*sigh*...wit, guts, brains...my hero.
Maybe the new teacher could be Lily's freind AND have been teaching at another magic school. There seem to be a lot of opportunities abroad in the WW after all and Lily's friends have to be somewhere.

Maybe if they're a good teacher (not a Voldemort obsessed maniac, a fraud or someone who abandons crucual aspects of the subject...such as magic), they'll get to stay?

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schoff - Oct 17, 2003 10:57 pm (#163 of 983)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
You know, I was just thinking...What if the next teacher follows the trend and is a good teacher. Then, what if JKR follows her trend of a new DADA teacher every year. This would mean that the next DADA teacher would have to leave the post at the end of the book, in order to pave the way for a new one in the 7th book.

What if JKR gets rid of the next DADA teacher by killing him/her off? I think the Hogwarts kids need a concrete example of someone they know--and have interacted with--dying in order to cement the reality of Voldie's regime. Cedric was concrete only to a few (Harry, Cho, Ron, Hermione) but not someone everybody interacted with. I'd be devasted for a long time if one of my teachers (whom I'd just spent an entire year with) died, versus a shorter mourning for someone I knew about, but never talked to, or spent any time with.

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Madame Librarian - Oct 18, 2003 6:49 am (#164 of 983)

schoff's comment raised a question in my mind (schoff, you do that a lot. We'd be really good in a brainstorming session, I bet)--

What did the kids think about Lockhart when he...um, vacated the position? Were they told what happened to him and that he was injured? He was so adored by many of the girls as Hogwarts, I find it hard to believe that he's simply forgotten. HRH didn't spare him a thought, or even wonder where he'd gotten to until they discovered him at St. M's, and they were the cause of his demise as it were! I know he was exposed as a fraud, but still. I don't mean to raise up a whole new issue here, just wondering as how the teachers that have left the post (aside from Quirrell who's died) are presented to the student body. Any quotes or references that anyone recalls? (I don't mean amongst just HRH, but more like official statements to the WW and the whole school.)

Ciao. Barb

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Haggis and Irn Bru - Oct 18, 2003 12:39 pm (#165 of 983)

I would have thought that the new DADA teacher would have to be a member of the Order. I think DADA lessons will be cool and everybody will learn stuff. I think that it will have to be someone really experienced to teach Harry the extra stuff that he needs to know. As a result I would reject Krum/Fleur/Any of the Weasley family. MEM as teacher would probably be very cool or potentially Kingsley.

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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 18, 2003 2:40 pm (#166 of 983)

missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Yeah, I agree with Haggis and Irn Bru. Dumbledore will quite likely get someone from the Order. Tonks is probably out of the question, Lupin's a werewolf, but Kingsley's a good choice. But then again, Why not have the real Moody? Wait, I just remembered- when Hermione had the idea about the DA and Harry said, if you're talking about Lupin... Hermione said he'd be too busy with the Order.

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Dr Filibuster - Oct 18, 2003 5:02 pm (#167 of 983)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
OK, how about Dumbledore asking his pal and fellow Headteacher Mme Maxime to recommend or even loan him an experienced DADA teacher for a year?

The new teacher could take a one year placement. Maybe they go back to Beauxbatons(sp?) after the school year, or maybe they get killed by Deatheaters in a shocking climax to Book 6? Or horribly maimed and permanently disabled, therefore unable to teach? Now there's a gruesome thought.

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Chance McMahon - Oct 18, 2003 7:53 pm (#168 of 983)

It would be interesting if Harry taught the class under another teachers supervision. Harry Was a really good DADA teacher. I wouldn't mind Tonks though. Maybe SNape will finally get his wish of teaching it, but I find it highly unlikely due to the fact they would need a new potions teacher and there are no characters that fit that positions that are arn't new.

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LevTRox - Oct 19, 2003 10:02 am (#169 of 983)

"Remember three commands: distrust the bourgeoisie; control your own leaders; and rely on your revolutionary strength!" ...*sigh*...wit, guts, brains...my hero.
Maybe in the 6th book we'll be presented with the DADA teacher who lived? :0)

What are the odds on them surviving a year?

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LevTRox - Oct 19, 2003 10:43 am (#170 of 983)

"Remember three commands: distrust the bourgeoisie; control your own leaders; and rely on your revolutionary strength!" ...*sigh*...wit, guts, brains...my hero.
I really don't think the teacher will be Harry. Running a student club, however useful it is, is a far cry from being a teacher.

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S.E. Jones - Oct 19, 2003 2:29 pm (#171 of 983)

Let it snow!
LevTRox: Maybe in the 6th book we'll be presented with the DADA teacher who lived? :0) What are the odds on them surviving a year?

Well, how's this: Barnes & Noble.com, 20 October, 2000
Q: Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?
JR: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!

So, we may yet see a DADA teacher more than once. I'm betting that either they get an old DADA teacher for Book 6 (Lupin or the real Moody), or the Book 6 teacher returns for Book 7....

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Peregrine - Oct 20, 2003 2:26 pm (#172 of 983)

Maybe Lupin will do something totally heroic in book 6, make everyone love him in spite of his, um, condition, and no one will care that a werewolf is teaching their kids in book 7.

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Rich - Oct 20, 2003 8:48 pm (#173 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Maybe DD will make the MoM scrap the legislation that says werewolves can't get jobs. He'll say it only promotes racism etc.

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Peregrine - Oct 21, 2003 9:56 am (#174 of 983)

I don’t think it’s so much the legislation as it is the parents who don’t want their children being taught by a werewolf.

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Rich - Oct 22, 2003 2:46 am (#175 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Edited by Oct 22, 2003 2:46 am
Surely they would have realised by now that Lupin is an alright guy? DD would've talked some sense into them the whole 'we have to be united talk'.

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Peregrine - Oct 22, 2003 10:16 am (#176 of 983)

Yeah, but a lot of the parents must think DD’s nuts thanks to Fudge and Daily Profit. This attitude will most likely change in the next book, but one guy, regardless of how respected he may be, is not going to wipe out centuries of prejudice against werewolves with one speech. The werewolves will have to prove themselves. Which is why I think Lupin would have to do something daring in order for the masses to trust him with their kids.

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timrew - Oct 24, 2003 11:14 pm (#177 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
This is true. People who are werewolves don't just tend to grow grumpy and hairy every full moon, they also attack people on sight and turn them into werewolves also.

Lupin is going to have to do something big, like save someone from another werewolf. This will then have to be plastered over the front pages of the Daily Prophet.

DD would have to also assure the parents that Lupin is taking his monthly serum like a good boy. And then, he just MIGHT be allowed to teach DADA.

After all, if he DID injure a student, it would be no use crying, "Wolf!"

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steff019 - Oct 25, 2003 2:52 pm (#178 of 983)

I think that Snape will be the next DADA teacher, as it is so difficult to find any other willing teachers and the other members of the OP will be to busy. To me, it seems easier to find a new potions teacher.

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Rich - Oct 25, 2003 11:19 pm (#179 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Edited by Oct 25, 2003 11:20 pm
steff019, Snape's in the Order so if he isn't correcting essays I think he's a bit busy too like all the others.

rich

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schoff - Oct 25, 2003 11:28 pm (#180 of 983)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Well, steff019, that depends on which class is actually the most important. Clearly, DADA is an important class, but so is Potions. Potions already has an exceptional teacher, so well versed in the art of Potion making that he's called a "Potions Master." I think DD would be crazy to remove Snape from his position, unless he had an equally impressive teacher to take his place. Otherwise you get two classes not being taught by experienced teachers (experienced in teaching the classes, not in their personal experience) instead of one class that is clearly working, and one class that just needs help.

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Tonal OfTimes - Oct 27, 2003 7:56 pm (#181 of 983)

A Computer Engineer Learning English
I put these post in another thread but i think is best here: I think Snape will be the next DADA teacher in Book 6. I think that because is the only way I can imagine that Harry can have a hope to be an Auror. Harry will never get a NEWT Potions class unless Severus teaches DADA and another Teacher (perhaps someone new or someone known that have less expectation in the students and accepts students with just standard grades in his NEWT class) gets The Potions Class. Of course if Severus is still the Potions Master in Book 6 well, Harry will have to forget about the three years of Auror training.

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Hem Hem - Oct 27, 2003 8:04 pm (#182 of 983)

You never know...Harry may not have done so poorly on his Potions OWL, and I'm sure the administration at Hogwarts is able to override Snape's opinion and enroll Harry into NEWT Potions if that's what they really wanted to do, no matter what Sanpe thinks. McGonagall has sworn that she will ensure that Harry becomes an Auror if that's the last thing she does--I am confident that Harry's OWL in Potions will not be an inhibiting factor.

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BarnMan - Oct 28, 2003 3:37 pm (#183 of 983)

I was just reading the thread about possible traitors in the DA and had a thought about the next DADA teacher.

We know from the OWL exams the fifth years just completed (and from Lupin's end-of-year exam) that the DADA exam has both a written and practical component. Maybe next year's DADA lessons will be similarly divided?

I have always favored the idea of Harry becoming the next DADA teacher, but I have come to accept that it will not be practical for him to teach a full class schedule and attend classes himself. Perhaps, and just perhaps, Harry could be assigned to teach the practical portion of DADA. He could have one, sometimes two practical lessons a day and still maintain his normal class load. Or, he could be assigned just to teach the practical section to students taking their OWLs and NEWTs, requiring even less of his time.

Any thoughts?

BarnMan

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Weeny Owl - Oct 28, 2003 4:47 pm (#184 of 983)

BarnMan: "he could be assigned just to teach the practical section to students taking their OWLs and NEWTs, requiring even less of his time"

I can't see Harry teaching any official classes because he's going to be too busy with his own education. What I could see, though, is him working closely with the DADA teacher and helping members of the DA to become more adept at defensive spells.

While Harry is quite good at magic, he doesn't know quite enough to be teaching O.W.L. classes and definitely not N.E.W.T. classes, or at least I don't think he does yet.

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Tomoé - Oct 29, 2003 7:12 pm (#185 of 983)

Back in business
I don't think Harry will become the DADA teacher, the DADA teacher assistant or the OWL and NEWT DADA teacher, he need as much time as he have to study is own classes and to prepared him-self to vanquish the Dark Lord.

It won't be Snape either, because DD thinks teaching DADA will bring the worst from him (That one is from a interview with Jo, but I'm too lazy to find the exact quote, sorry). But he could still be the DADA teacher in book 7 if DD die in book 6.

I don't think it will be any of the order members, they are more useful in staying busy with the order.

If DD didn't find someone, and I bet he won't, MoM will have to do it, and it won't likely be someone who can be useful in the VWII, probably someone we don't know, maybe competent, maybe not. Maybe Percy in fact, a new job in the MoM each year ^_^ . But Percy maybe competent, he give himself a lot to the cauldron legislation.

I bet on a new character, but if it's not true, I bet on Percy .

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Madame Librarian - Oct 29, 2003 8:38 pm (#186 of 983)

Now Percy as DADA teacher is a really novel idea, Tomoe. I could see JKR devising this as a way to get the whole of Percy's story going. No more Fudge to fawn after at the MoM, the guy needs a 2nd chance to prove himself. We all know what DD thinks about 2nd chances, and maybe sees this as a first step in getting Percy reconciled with his family. Could make for some terribly awkward DADA classes for poor Ron, though.

For those who thought Percy was drifting toward the evil side, well, he could apply for job and be a spy for the DEs.

Or, if he already is a mole for the Order, he could just let the DEs think he was seeking inside info by working close to DD at Hogwarts.

A long shot, perhaps, but it would allow for some great dramatic scenes.

Ciao. Barb

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Hem Hem - Oct 29, 2003 9:06 pm (#187 of 983)

Professor Weasley. I don't think I could ever get used to that.

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Madame Librarian - Oct 29, 2003 10:03 pm (#188 of 983)

Well, HemHem, we might have to since there are three potential Professor Weasleys. Four, if you include Molly. Oh my, poor Ron.

Ciao. Barb

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Tomoé - Oct 29, 2003 10:34 pm (#189 of 983)

Back in business
Professor Weasley for Percy, how can I get use to that ^_^ . Percy is just Percy, the elder students will have problem with that one to, just like stop calling Crouch Jr Professor Moody.

And Harry will likely give him hard time, not trusting his competence as DADA teacher. ^_^

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Neville Longbottom - Oct 29, 2003 11:03 pm (#190 of 983)

I am not to keen on this idea. Despite his horrible behaviour in book 5, I don't dislike Percy and if he became DADA-Teacher I would probably assume during the whole book, that he will in the end by smashed by Grawp, fed to Aragog or fall out of the window in the Divination tower.

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aberforth dumbledore - Nov 1, 2003 6:28 pm (#191 of 983)

Personally I like the Aberforth as DADA teacher idea,but if it is true that he is the barman at the Hogs Head then I think that his job there would be to important.

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timrew - Nov 1, 2003 6:45 pm (#192 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Aberforth could teach DADA at Hogwarts during the day, and still tend the bar of the Hogs Head at night.

I'm sure Mundungus would stand in during the day as temporary barman, if his ban was uplifted.

Mind you, there might be a few Fire-Whiskeys down at stock-taking.

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aberforth dumbledore - Nov 1, 2003 9:04 pm (#193 of 983)

Good point Timrew.

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Fawkesy Lady - Nov 4, 2003 9:38 am (#194 of 983)

There is a great new essay that has been posted on the Lexicon. It is called "Those Unpredicable Defense Against the Dark Arts Professors" It is a great essay and the author makes some very good points and connections about the past teachers that are just fabulous!

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Peregrine - Nov 4, 2003 2:39 pm (#195 of 983)

Wow, I never realized all the similarities between the DADA teachers…the secrets, the fact that we’re barely introduced to them before school starts, etc. That’s an excellent essay.

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Hem Hem - Nov 4, 2003 10:53 pm (#196 of 983)

The essay was really good, thanks for posting the link. However, I can't exactly say I agree with every point of his, however, I'm firmly convinced that Tinks, Bill, or Fleur won't be the DADA teacher. Than again, all of his really astute points proved that the "suspects" who are already familiar characters won't be the DADA teacher, but he never really convinved me that some of the other prospects, whose personalities we don't really know yet, are worthy of being scratched.

We still might see Andromeda (or Kingsley)...I'm not convinced otherwise.

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Fawkesy Lady - Nov 5, 2003 10:37 am (#197 of 983)

As it says in the essay I am going to pay specific attention to the characters Harry meets before the start of term. As the essay says that before Harry meets or hears of the person before he finds out they are the DADA teacher.

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Rich - Nov 6, 2003 1:19 am (#198 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Edited by Nov 6, 2003 12:33 am
It didn't really tell us much we didn't already know. Only that it's going to be someone we don't know. That's helpful.

Just another note: Fleur can't handle Grindylows and Lupin's third year class tackled them. How's she going to teach if she can't match the skills of kids with half her experience.

rich

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timrew - Nov 7, 2003 5:13 pm (#199 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Then this should make it obvious to everyone why Fleur will never be DADA teacher at Hogwarts!

Moody for the DADA teacher! You know it makes sense!

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MoaningMyrtle101 - Nov 10, 2003 9:29 pm (#200 of 983)

Edited by Nov 10, 2003 8:34 pm
Well, Fleur may have been able to handle grindylows in a controlled classroom situation, and Harry himself could barely handle the ones in the lake. No wands underwater, remember. Fleur wouldn't be that incapable, while she is a bit young. I don't think she WILL be DADA teacher, but I don't think she'd do such a bad job if she was. My favorite choice for DADA teacher is Andromeda Tonks. We might learn more about Nymphadora, not to mention everything we could learn about Sirius's childhood. And Moody probably won't want the job anyway, not after what happened to him when he tried to take it in GoF. His paranoia has probably multiplied, and he probably doesn't want anything to do with the position, if he ever did. He never sounded that excited about teaching at Hogwarts in the first place. The only reason he did it was as a favor to his friend Dumbledore, and now I don't think even that could persuade him.

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Ihavebothbuttocks - Nov 11, 2003 1:21 am (#201 of 983)
"No wands underwater, remember."
Harry did have his wand with him, he used *Relashio* to break the Grindylow's grip on his ankle. It is not stated whether or not Fleur had hers with her underwater, but it's likely that she used it at the lake to perform the *Bubblehead Charm* on herself, then stuffed it down her robes as Harry had done.
As far as Moody taking the DADA position, I could see him teaching it. He knows that Voldemort is back, and even if he's not exactly thrilled with the idea of teaching, he knows (or Dumbledore will point out to him) that it is absolutely necessary that the students are properly taught how to defend themselves against the Dark Arts. Knowing how Harry and his little band went into action against the Death Eaters at the Ministry of Magic using only their limited knowledge, I could see Moody (who prior to GoF was retired) stepping in to help to train the next generation of Aurors/Order members, as it seems the the 'Old Crowd' has slowed down quite a bit over the last fifteen years.

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Third guy from the left - Nov 11, 2003 9:36 am (#202 of 983)

In jumps 3rd Guy from the Left, defender of the defenseless and nameless extra.

I would just like to point out, in Fleur's defense, that even the most powerful wizard can be taken unaware, by surprise, or by an unfortunate turn of events. For example, Moody was taken out rather quickly during the MoM battle despite the fact that we know he is a highly competent Auror. Similarly, the Grindylows that took out Fleur might well have ambushed her better than the ones that jumped Harry. Also the Gillyweed that Harry used gave him not only the ability to breathe under water. It also gave him resistance to the chill of the water and the ability to swim much faster than he could have normally. Fleur's Bubblehead Charm wouldn't have given her those abilities. Harry was able to escape from the Grindylows by out swimming them. Fleur may not have had this option. After all, she didn't have a devoted house elf to steal Gillyweed for her.

Okay, now that I am done defending Fleur, (I'm not really sure what came over me), I would just like to say that I don't think she would make a very good DADA teacher.

Andromeda? Now that's an idea I hadn't thought of. I'll be perfectly honest, while I am curious to know more about the Tonks', my impression was that Andromeda wouldn't make a good DADA teacher. Then again, she's a mom, and moms can be pretty powerful. I'll have to give that some more thought.

To be perfectly honest, assuming that we get someone we've seen before as the DADA teacher, I don't want it to be any character I like. Too many bad things happen to the DADA teachers.

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Joost! - Nov 12, 2003 2:05 am (#203 of 983)

Second line of information
Third guy from the left: "(I'm not really sure what came over me)"

That's probably that Veela-effect...

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Tessa's Dad - Nov 17, 2003 1:15 pm (#204 of 983)

Tired Old Bat Bogey
I don’t like the idea of Bill, or any Weasley for that matter, being the new DADA. If Ron’s character is to grow at all, he needs to be out from under the control of older siblings. Even if Bill tries to help Ron grow, it will still be another older Weasley telling Ron what to do.

My problem with Harry as DADA teacher is the conflict of Harry teaching the children of known DE. This applies to all members of the Order. How much would I teach possible enemies?

Someone mentioned a spouse for Snape, but stated that they would find it hard to believe that someone would warm up to old dirty shorts. In my life I’ve seen perfectly horrible people with spouses. Maybe the reason DD gave Snape a second chance was for the sake of his wife and family. Ooh, little snapelets! I like that.

Glides slowly back into the bubbling nothingness of Loch Lurker.

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S.E. Jones - Nov 17, 2003 4:27 pm (#205 of 983)

Let it snow!
I don't really see Bill as the type to tell Ron what to do. He seems more the type to lead by example. And, who knows, it may even help Ron's confidence having an actual supportive family support group for once and may help him get closer to his older brother. Then, if the twins ever tried to give Ron any grief again about being a Prefect, Bill may be able to remind him that he was once a Prefect too. (Hey, why hasn't Ginny ever mentioned that?!?) That would probably shut Fred and George up pretty quickly....

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Hermionefan(#1) - Nov 19, 2003 3:58 pm (#206 of 983)

missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
If Sirius was still here, I think he should teach... unfortunately, he's not. Nope, I'll never get used to Professor Weasly, I will always just say Percy.

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Lonewriter-tx - Nov 20, 2003 3:27 pm (#207 of 983)

I think it will probally be Tonks. Dumbledore would want someone from the Order to teach it and since she is a young Auror, she would be an ideal choice plus as an added bonus it would make Snape angry.

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timrew - Nov 20, 2003 3:47 pm (#208 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
But could an Auror be spared from The Order to teach DADA when they're all going to be needed in the fight against Voldemort and the Death Eaters?

Tonks especially. After all, she is a metamorphmagus, and can change her appearance at will. A pretty useful Auror to have around when there's spy work to be done.

I'll stick with Moody (the real one - okay, I know he's an Auror; but I've given reasons why it might be him before), Lupin, or someone totally unknown - as has been the case for every book so far.

But, seeing as I also thought the DADA teacher in book 5 would be Arabella Figg......what do I know!

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Weeny Owl - Nov 20, 2003 9:36 pm (#209 of 983)

Well, tim, Moody did promise Dumbledore he would teach for a year, and technically he never did, so why not Moody?

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Denise P. - Nov 20, 2003 9:39 pm (#210 of 983)

Ravenclaw Pony
When Moody promised, was it Moody/Crouch already or actually Mad Eye? I am thinking it was Crouch who made the promise.

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Weeny Owl - Nov 20, 2003 9:50 pm (#211 of 983)

Well, dang it, Denise, I thought it was the perfect explanation.

Good point, though... Moody or Crouch?

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Hem Hem - Nov 20, 2003 9:55 pm (#212 of 983)

Since the original Moody had accepted the job before he was placed under the Inperius Curse (after all, he was controlled starting on the morning of the first day of term), it may well have been the real Mad-Eye Moody who promised to Dumbledore that he would teach.

If so, I'm starting to think that Tim might be right about Moody for DADA....

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popkin - Nov 21, 2003 3:08 am (#213 of 983)

mother
I have not read this thread (sorry, it's huge), but did a search for "Dumbledore", and it appears that it has not been suggested that Dumbledore take on the position of DADA teacher. If he has trouble locating an acceptable candidate for the position, he might take on the added responsibility. No one would be more qualified than he to teach the subject.

With Voldemort now known to be back in full power, there could very well be many more qualified DADA teacher applicants at Hogwarts. But Dumbledore still might teach DADA himself just because it's so important that his students receive the best possible instruction now that a war really is imminent.

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S.E. Jones - Nov 21, 2003 11:24 am (#214 of 983)

Let it snow!
So he'd be DADA teacher for all four houses, all seven years worth, Headmaster, Head of the Order, watching Harry day and night, attempting to fix things between himself and the Ministry, attempting to stop Lord Voldemort, and playing tenpin bowling...? Whew! Sure is a good thing the guy's not getting old or anything or we readers just might give him a heart attack...

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Hem Hem - Nov 21, 2003 4:51 pm (#215 of 983)

I only think Dumbledore would be willing to take the job only if he could use time-turners and be in four places at once. However, didn't Dumbledore make some comment about how he finds going back in time disconcerting? Or am I making that up?

Whatever, he's a busy man....

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S.E. Jones - Nov 21, 2003 5:01 pm (#216 of 983)

Let it snow!
Well, while my last post was a joke, that was my point Hem, he's a busy man. I'd still like to see someone connected to Lily become DADA teacher. I don't see why it would be too similar to Lupin to happen, isn't that the purpose of a pattern, that everything follows it? Also, there are always ways of making interesting little twists that make things different. For instance, Moody/Crouch and Quirrell were both avid followers of Voldemort but you had all sorts of personality differences and circumstantial differences that made them dissimilar enough to still be interesting....

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VeronikaG - Nov 24, 2003 8:43 am (#217 of 983)

I think the new teacher will be someone new, but I also think this may be the one to last throughout the rest of the series. Whether it's a guy or a woman doesn't matter, but it definitely needs to be someone good, both as a teacher and as a person. The series is approaching it's end, and having a stupid or mean teacher right before the final battle would be, to say the least, foolish. We all know that Harry and his friends will play a huge part in the victory, (it will be Harry who makes sure the good guys win, anything else would be strange)and how would they be any use if they have had (except Lupin) only bad teachers? Also, introducing a major character, such as a new DADA teacher towards the very end of the series would not give us time to get to know that person. Though the last book is said to be long.

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Denise P. - Nov 24, 2003 9:00 am (#218 of 983)

Ravenclaw Pony
After seeing what a mess was made of Hogwarts by having Umbridge there, I think Dumbledore is going to find a decent DADA...even if he has to bully a Order member into it. It would not surprise me to see one of the Order as the new DADA teacher.

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Neville Longbottom - Nov 24, 2003 9:39 am (#219 of 983)

I am pretty sure this won't happen before book 7, but I think if Dumbledore doesn't find anyone else, he should hire Snape. I know he was a Death Eater and it therefore might be problematic if he teaches DADA (he is already bad enough at Potions), but if noone else wants to do the job? I mean, Snape can't be much worse than Lockhart or Umbridge. At least he knows the subject. And it should be easier to find another Potions teacher.

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popkin - Nov 24, 2003 10:02 am (#220 of 983)

mother
Since Snape is a LOT smarter than Lockhart and Umbridge put together, and since JKR says the DADA postition would bring out the worst in him, I think he could be a lot worse than Lockhart or Umbridge. He's also very capable of hiding his emotions and intentions, he's calculating, and he truly hates Harry - it would be BAD.

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Weeny Owl - Nov 24, 2003 10:36 am (#221 of 983)

As much as Snape may want the DADA position, I just can't see him giving up his Potions dungeon.

I agree with popkin that with his feelings about Harry, and especially now after the Pensieve incident, it would be horrid.

I like Denise's idea about it being someone from the Order, and that, of course, brings to mind Mad-Eye Moody.

Regardless of who is chosen, I agree with Veronika that it will have to be someone good... good at defense and good as a person.

Even the Ministry will need to acknowledge that since Voldie is back, the students are going to need all the help they can get.

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Peregrine - Nov 24, 2003 2:42 pm (#222 of 983)

But if DD were to hire Moody again, why didn’t he do it in book 5?

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Dr Filibuster - Nov 24, 2003 4:22 pm (#223 of 983)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
Because the poor bloke needed a break. He had just spent the best part of a year locked in his trunk.

Denise's arguement about Albus persuading an Order member to be the Dada is the best yet. Look how many volunteers there were to take Harry away from Little Whingeing. Look how hard it's been to get a recruit for the job.

Dumbledore could tell them it's an honour and their duty to protect Harry. I'd love to see Mad Eye in the post, but a new face or one just mentioned in passing would fit in quite nicely too.

And I absolutely agree that this teacher should be a competant one.

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Hem Hem - Nov 24, 2003 6:07 pm (#224 of 983)

I really agree that Dumbledore aught to hire someone competent...although there's one thing that keeps me from being convinced: The threat was more or less the same calibre of intensity entering OotP, and he couldn't hire somebody competent then. If nobody reasonable applies, what can Dumbledore do about it? Will he feel that it is his place to ask somebody to teach if they would not have otherwise applied for the job?

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timrew - Nov 24, 2003 6:20 pm (#225 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I think the DADA position is a plot device introduced by JKR. She can employ whoever she likes to advance the plot.

In every book, she has introduced a new character, all interesting, all page-turners, and above all.....we've never seen them before!

I'm hoping in book 6, she's going to change...because she hinted at it in an interview, when she said that she might introduce a DADA teacher that just might last longer than one book! She has to make it the next one, as there are only 7 books planned.

So, who will it be.......?

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Hem Hem - Nov 24, 2003 6:42 pm (#226 of 983)

The essay on the lexicon made one really good observation that I had never noticed before: Every DADA teacher so far has been hiding a serious secret.

Do we really want the next DADA teacher to be a member of the Order, if that means that s/he is hiding a terrible secret?

Well, at least it'll make for exciting reading!

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Weeny Owl - Nov 24, 2003 9:25 pm (#227 of 983)

The main difference now is that the entire Wizarding World knows beyond a doubt that Voldie is back. What might not have seemed important after all those Voldie-free years is now something else entirely.

Who knows... Dumbledore may have to turn away applicants for a change.

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Rich - Nov 25, 2003 1:12 am (#228 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
What was Umbridge's "serious secret". Because if it was her cruelty, I don't think she hid it too well.

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VeronikaG - Nov 25, 2003 2:25 am (#229 of 983)

Well, Umbridge had an agenda of her own.....

I'm sure the new DADA teacher will also have a secret, but it may be something (s)he can't help, kind of like Lupin being a werewolf. Quirrel, Lockhart, Moody-Crouch and Umbridge all kept secrets about things they had done on purpose, that couldn't be excused.

I have already explained why I think the new teacher will be a good guy or girl, and I think her or his secret will be something that can be forgiven. The old members of the order must have gone through quite a lot during Vizard War 1, and that probably means that many of them have done things they are not proud of, but that were necessary at the time. War is like that.

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Madame Librarian - Nov 25, 2003 10:06 am (#230 of 983)

Umbridge's secret was that it was she who had sent the dementors to attack Harry. Maybe there's more (kind of hope so), but that's quite enough to qualify her as fitting the profile.

Ciao. Barb

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VeronikaG - Dec 5, 2003 6:15 am (#231 of 983)

The new teacher will have an effect on Harry that none of the previous have had, I think. (S)He will bring out something new in him, kind of like when Lupin taught him the Patronus Spell.

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S.E. Jones - Dec 5, 2003 8:19 am (#232 of 983)

Let it snow!
Ooh, I like that, Veronika! Any speculation, from anyone, on what it will be that is brought out?

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Peregrine - Dec 5, 2003 9:33 am (#233 of 983)

Maybe they’ll replace Snape as Harry’s Occlumency teacher and he’ll actually learn how to do it.

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Rich - Dec 8, 2003 8:25 pm (#234 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
If it was someone we already know would anybody else see it as a big cliche? Because that's how I look at it. We need someone knew to love...or hate.

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VeronikaG - Dec 10, 2003 5:38 am (#235 of 983)

Maybe the new teacher will be someone whom at first seems like a pain in the neck, but later proves to be a good teacher and person. This would be a contrast to the former teachers who have disappointed us by seeming to be cool, but being revealed to be different degrees of terrible.

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timrew - Dec 10, 2003 5:01 pm (#236 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Except Lupin. He was the best of the DADA teachers.

Quirrel had Voldy on his head.

Lockhart was a charlatan.

Moody, er, wasn't Moody.

Umbridge did nothing whatsoever to teach the students a single thing.

I think it's time for a decent teacher again. Okay, we might not know yet who it is, whether it's male or female, or even human. But at least let it be someone who can teach!

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Joost! - Dec 11, 2003 1:40 am (#237 of 983)

Second line of information
Actually, I was under the impression that Quirrell and Moody/Crouch were quite good at teaching...

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Neville Longbottom - Dec 11, 2003 7:03 am (#238 of 983)

Moody/ Crouch was a very good teacher. Quirrell was a terrible teacher, Harry even said that his lessons were a joke. He looked good in comparison to Lockhart and Umbridge, but overall he was one of the worst teachers Harry had.

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Devika - Dec 11, 2003 8:35 am (#239 of 983)

I had an idea... what if the new DADA teacher is the Dark Wizard Grindelwald. I don't know if this has been done before- I didn't read all the posts. I mean what if he has been in hiding all these years and now resurfaces all transformed and unrecognisable and becomes a favourite teacher. I know it is kind of 'Voldemort meets Moody' but it is unexpected and JKR could pull this one on us. He could be back to avenge his defeat from Dumbledore and give outside assistance to his 'disciple' Voldemort. It is also possible that DD dies at the end of Book 6 in some sort of a duel with him. This is all theoretical... nothing to back it up but what are your ideas?

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VeronikaG - Dec 12, 2003 2:07 am (#240 of 983)

Another evil DADA-teacher? Poor Hogwarts...

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Brandon Christopher - Dec 12, 2003 12:11 pm (#241 of 983)

Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
I'm not going to make this a long post because I've stated this in other threads. But we will most likely have a decent DADA professor this year because let's face it, we've had way to many evil ones. We'll get sick of it if she keeps makeing everyone evil. Rowling needs to mix it up and I think that she knows this because we almost never get the same thing more than a couple times, if that. I will be thoroughly disappointed if we have yet another evil professor.

Please JK no more evil professors!!!

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shepherdess - Dec 12, 2003 3:57 pm (#242 of 983)

55 year old mother of 3, step-mother of 2, grandmom to 3, living in Oklahoma
You know, if she gives us a good DADA teacher, we're going to be suspicious of them because we know now that people are not always what they seem. I wonder how long it will take for us to trust them.

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Brandon Christopher - Dec 12, 2003 9:03 pm (#243 of 983)

Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
A verrrry long time!

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Hermionefan(#1) - Dec 14, 2003 2:00 pm (#244 of 983)

missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
I thought Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald?

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timrew - Dec 14, 2003 3:43 pm (#245 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Dumbledore defeated Grindelwald, Hermionefan(#1); but it never says that he killed him.

Having said that, I don't think that he'll be the new DADA teacher. I think there's more chance of Winky getting the job!

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Devika - Dec 15, 2003 2:21 am (#246 of 983)

Wow! If Winky is the new teacher all that the students will need to do is slip some butterbeer into her drink and she'll be tipsy enough to let them off classes the whole year!!

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timrew - Dec 15, 2003 11:43 am (#247 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
"Clash Dishmished! Pash me a beerybutt, a burrybet, a bettyboop......oh, ferget it! (Hic!) I'll geddit myshelf!"

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FCBarca - Dec 30, 2003 3:23 pm (#248 of 983)

If the next DADA teacher is good, then I think it will be a boring book. Look at it this way, unless another teacher leaves (possible) then really the only new character at Hogwarts will be the DADA teacher (if it is a new character). That means that nothing will go on at Hogwarts, and as most of the book is at Hogwarts, it will be boring in my view. My theory is that the next DADA teacher would be a Dark Wizard but not an ally of Voldemort. I know it is a children's book, but surely not all Dark Wizard's like Voldemort. I think it would be a good change to meet someone who dislike's both the Ministry of Magic and Voldemort, and isn't scared of either of them.

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S.E. Jones - Dec 30, 2003 4:18 pm (#249 of 983)

Let it snow!
Why would someone have to be evil to both dislike the Ministry and Voldemort? Why couldn't they just be someone who is fed up with all the red tape and politics and who doesn't like this Dark Lord person going around killing people? They could easily be a good teacher and a good person without it being a boring book, I mean, PoA seems to be one of the most popular books of the entire series thus far and it had a good DADA teacher in it....

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Weeny Owl - Dec 30, 2003 5:05 pm (#250 of 983)

Having a good DADA teacher translating into a boring book just doesn't sit well with me because it's just one teacher and one character.

There could be a good DADA teacher (good in teaching ability and good in a moral sense) who finally teaches what these students actually need to know. It could also be someone who will fill us in on the backstories of the Marauders and Snape, and it could be someone who gets Harry and Snape to come to terms with each other.

Being a good person and a good teacher could easily be minor aspects of what the character can bring to the story. So many questions that are floating around cyberspace could finally be answered.

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SJ Rand - Dec 30, 2003 5:23 pm (#251 of 983)
Some interesting thoughts, Weeny Owl. I'd guess that for the teacher to mend the rift between Snape and Harry it would have to be someone that Snape knew and respected, an old Slytherin buddy maybe, who comes into the story fully prepared to hate Harry, but ends up taking a liking to him.

I do think he'd have to already be friends with Snape as well as hating Harry at first, or Snape wouldn't listen to him. Snape doesn't pay attention to anyone else's respect for Harry no matter what.

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Weeny Owl - Dec 30, 2003 5:28 pm (#252 of 983)

Oh, I do like that idea, SJ. Someone fully prepared to detest the little Potter brat but who can see him as he is, good points and bad, might be able to smack some sense into Snape.

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timrew - Dec 30, 2003 5:32 pm (#253 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
It's a shame Phineas Nigellus isn't still around. He'd be ideal for the job.

Maybe if they wheeled his portrait into the DADA class......

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Madam Poppy - Dec 30, 2003 9:01 pm (#254 of 983)

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Edited by Dec 30, 2003 8:02 pm
Now there's an interesting thought Tim! I like the idea of a former Headmaster teaching the DADA classes. They already have a ghost teaching the History classes, why not a portrait?
I've been worried since Book One that Harry is not learning what he needs to know (in most of his DADA classes) to conquer Voldemort. It is because of this that I am fairly confident that it will be something other than Harry's "book learning" that will ultimately save the Wizarding World and hopefully Harry too.

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Devika - Dec 31, 2003 4:05 am (#255 of 983)

The post of the DADA teacher is like the gateway for the pivotal character in most books. Like an entry point for somone fom the outside world. That is why the post is 'jinxed', because it just has to be free to introduce a new characeter in the next book. That is why I don't think that the perfect, stable DADA teacher will come till Book 7. Even if the teacher is a 'good' character like Lupin, something has to go horribly wrong so that he/she is chucked out or has to leave again. Snape I think is going to be the final DADA teacher, whether in Book 7 or after that, because I think that only Voldemort's downfall will help to stop him bring out the 'worst in him'(this of course assuming that Voldemort is defeated at the end of the books). If he comes in after the books then just as well because Harry would then be out of school to let him live in peace with his memories of James. I think that the next teacher just has to be a negative Voldemort ally sort of character. At the end he could either end up liking Harry and be killed by LV or maybe openly declare his support for him after a dramatic climax, thereby leaving the post free for the next entrant.

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Blast - Dec 31, 2003 4:21 am (#256 of 983)

I think I'm back!
Tim excellent idea. Binns is a ghost and he teaches why not a portrait. He can interact with the students and I think that he would be good for the students, somewhat along the Severus Snape way, but still effective.

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FCBarca - Dec 31, 2003 4:47 am (#257 of 983)

S.E Jones, maybe I was a bit harsh saying it would be a boring book, but what you mentioned about the teacher being a good person is why I said that, because that was exactly what Lupin was. So far we've had three bad teacher's (Quirell, Moody(Crouch) and Umbridge), two of them worked for Voldemort, and two good teacher's , Lupin and Lockhart (although a fraud, he wasn't evil). So what about a neutral?

I believe him to be classed as a Dark Wizard because he would be a former friend of Voldemort who betrayed him and now this teacher wants revenge. There can be millions of reasons why he isn't evil like Voldemort, and why he isn't scared of him, so I won't go in to detail. Until I'm proven wrong or right, then my theory will stay the same:

Former friend of Voldemort who taught him Dark Arts (surely all of the Dark Arts Voldemort know's he couldn't of learned from books), and Voldemort tried to kill him and thinks he succeeded (that's why Voldemort hadn't mentioned him and why Dumbledore is the only person he is afraid of, because Voldemort believes him to be dead, and the reason why Voldemort is afraid of Dumbledore is because Dumbledore is more powerful than him, and this person would be equal to Voldemort or maybe even better than Dumbledore. It will be something for the reader to decide whether he is more powerful than them or not), The teacher then wants revenge, and that's why he goes to Hogwart's, because the two people Voldemort wants to kill most are there (Harry and Dumbledore), he apply's as DADA teacher, because he knows he will get the job as not many people apply, and is good at Occlumency so Dumbledore won't be able to know he is a former friend of Voldemort (even though he hates Voldemort, if Dumbledore finds out he knew him and helped him become powerful, then Dumbledore isn't going to trust him around Harry). Obviously he won't succeed in killing Voldemort, but that doesn't mean he can't be in the book.

Oh, and what I love about this theory is that all that I've mentioned fits with all we know about the Harry Potter world, so I can't be proven wrong until the next book comes out!

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Hem Hem - Dec 31, 2003 11:31 am (#258 of 983)

The DADA teacher essay on the Lex brings up a particular point which reflects pretty well the point that the last few posts have been making: there is always a mystery behind the DADA teacher. Even if they happen to be a good teacher, there is more to them than meets the eye.

If the DADA jinx is genuine, what do you guys think caused it?

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S.E. Jones - Dec 31, 2003 1:09 pm (#259 of 983)

Let it snow!
What caused the position to be jinxed? A disgruntled Snape?

Anyway, I definately agree that there would be more to the DADA teacher, even if they were good, some mystery that would have to be solved before the book was over. I tend to think she will go with what appears to be her pattern and give us someone who is both a good teacher and a good person, though I personally don't think they will appear to be good at first, they may even be at odds with our hero up until the end of the book, pushing the plot along somehow....

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SJ Rand - Dec 31, 2003 1:13 pm (#260 of 983)

A question?

When you folks are talking about "good" and "bad" do you mean good or bad at teaching, or morally? It seemed to me that some folks meant teaching ability and others meant morality.

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FCBarca - Jan 1, 2004 4:44 am (#261 of 983)

S.E. Jones, to cut a long answer short, the teacher I described could be a good teacher and a good person. He disliked the Ministry for some reason (for this he would be classed as a Dark Wizard, even though he isn't evil), doesn't actually care about the world, helped Voldemort, Voldemort then tries to kill him (maybe the 'teacher' didn't want to join Voldemort, so Voldemort tried to kill him), and wants revenge (I explain in more detail on my last post).

I think it would also show that not all Dark Wizards like Voldemort, or more importantly, not all are scared of him, and it fits in with the 'pattern', which I think is false, as I will explain below.

If you follow the 'pattern', the teaching ability goes: (Book 1 to book 5) bad, bad, good, good, bad. That means the next teacher's teaching ability will be bad. The teacher's personality in the last 5 books went: (Book 1 to book 5) bad, good, good, bad, bad. This means the teacher's personality in the next book will be good (probable).

So, according to the 'pattern', the next DADA teacher's ability to teach will be bad, but his personality will be good. I don't think that will be the case, as I think Harry will learn a lot from this teacher. So I am betting that the 'so called pattern' (I admit the teaching ability seems to follow a pattern, but the personality doesn't) is false and the next teacher's ability as a teacher and person is anyone's guess.

SJ Rand, I always refer to good and bad as good or evil unless I say otherwise.

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timrew - Jan 2, 2004 5:12 pm (#262 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I've just thrown a new hat into the ring for the position of DADA teacher. I mean, if Phineas Nigellus's portrait can be a contender, then why not the Sorting Hat?

I got the idea from Gina, who just posted on the Sorting Hat thread...

"But it might also offer some advice and history lessons to Harry, Dumbledore, or someone else we get to see converse with it when not performing its sorting ceremony duties."

I mean, if it can do history lessons, then why not DADA?

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boop - Jan 2, 2004 5:59 pm (#263 of 983)

Lexicon Forum Mom
Now that is a interesting theory. Would the sorting hat have the knowledge in DADA to teach it? Or maybe both Philnea Nigellus and the sorting hat do it together. What a team they could make.!!

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FCBarca - Jan 3, 2004 7:26 am (#264 of 983)

I don't think Phineas will be the next DADA teacher, because if you remember, he said he loathed being a teacher, so it's unlikely he will do it again. I don't think it is actually possible for Phineas or the Sorting Hat to teach DADA, as neither can use a wand. They will need to be able to use a wand because there is a certain way to use a wand for each spell, a certain movement, and neither could teach it (Phineas may be able to, as in a picture they usually do have there wand, but as I said above, he didn't like being a teacher so it's unlikely he will do it again).

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VeronikaG - Jan 5, 2004 2:49 am (#265 of 983)

Maybe it won't be the next DADA teacher who teaches Harry and Dumbledore's Army the skills they need for the final battle. The jinx, if there is one, seem to put mostly unsuitable teachers in the position. And, although I have always claimed earlier that the next teacher has to be a good one (personality and skills both), this could mean that the next teacher will also be so lousy that Harry & friends need to seek knowledge somewhere else.

We know, or expect, that Dumbledore's Army will have much of the honor for the final victory (by helping Harry). In my opinion, that means that not all the Hogwarts students need to be good at DADA, as long as Dumbledore's army is. And they could get their training somewhere else. I mean, they have contact with the Order, which has both Lupin and the real Moody in it. How about the two of them teaching DADA on the side. Lupin isn't welcome back at Hogwarts yet, but most of the students liked him, and would probably be happy to have him teach them again, even if that had be unofficially.

So, OK, the next teacher is another moron or traitor. Let him/her teach all the student who won't fight in the final battle. Then Dumbledore's Army can attend private lessons with the Order to learn what they need to know. I'm sure Dumbledore would not stop them. And if the rest of the Hogwart's student are still bad at DADA after book 7, well, maybe DADA won't be as needed any more as it used to be?

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EdwardGr - Jan 7, 2004 1:45 pm (#266 of 983)

This topic seems to have had a great deal of attention recently. Two threads infact.

If it is true that JKR does not plan on introducing a new character as the next DADA professor we are left with a few choices.

1. Dumbledore, the question here is if he were to teach this now that Voldemort is back, why did he not do so in book 5?

2. Lupin, he has already held the post once, he is in the Order. He is currently unemployed. He is close to Harry and with the exception of the Slytherin's seems to be well liked. Now that Umbridge is likely to be less influential in the MoM it is possible that his becoming a professor will be met with less resistance. Additionally parents may be more willing to allow him to teach knowing that Voldemort is back.

3. Bill Weasley, currently in the order. Working for Gringotts known to have been a curse breaker. To me this sounds like his speciality would be Runes and perhaps Arithmancy. He would most likely need a good understanding of the dark arts to be a curse breaker but that does not mean specializing in it. Again the question here is why in book 6 and not book 5 (other than plot advancement)

4. Professor Snape, no way. He didn't get in book 5 when no one else wanted it, he will not get it in 6.

5. Moody, doubtful. Because of his experience the last time he agreed to teach this class, I find it unlikely that he would agree again. I also picture Moody as the XO of the Order. So while Dumbledore is at Hogwarts, Moody handles that day to day stuff outside of Hogwarts.

6. Any of the current Auror's, unlikely, as they are to busy.

This leaves only a handful of potential candidates that I can think of. Molly Weasley, we don't know anything about her DADA knowledge, except that Bogarts give her problems. Neville's grandmother, we are lead to believe that she is a formidable witch, we know that her son or daughter became an Auror, and married another Auror. My final idea may be somewhat farfetched, but I have not seen mention in either thread of Karkaroff. We know that he is no longer at Durmstrang. We know that Voldemort is after him. We believe that he was teaching the dark arts to his students. If all that is true, then Hogwarts becomes a haven for him. If he can teach the Dark Arts he can teach Defense. We know that Hogwarts is protected by many enchantments, so it may not be possible for Voldemort to get him out of Hogwarts even if his presence their is known (through Malfoy etc....)

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timrew - Jan 7, 2004 5:17 pm (#267 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I know Phineas Nigellus loathed being a teacher, but what would you rather do? Sit in a portrait all day and have the odd conversation with Dumbledore (okay, cool), or Kreacher (not so cool)?

And as for him not being able to use a wand; do we know if he has a wand in his portrait? If not, then the students can get the wand movements from their text books.

Couple all this with the fact that he was a Slytherin, and therefore probably well versed in the dark arts (sorry, Slytherin supporters!), then I think his portrait would make a fine DADA teacher.

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Hem Hem - Jan 7, 2004 7:27 pm (#268 of 983)

We know that some of the other Ex-Headmasters do have wands in their protraits...one of them had one and threatened to use it as a rod which which to beat Phineas...

Why not? Phineas has a wand in his portrait. The question is, how much use does it have?

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I Am Used Vlad - Jan 7, 2004 8:24 pm (#269 of 983)

I Am Almighty!
I love the idea of Phineas as the new DADA teacher. If the job is cursed, why not get a dead guy to do it. Also, he could keep Harry informed about what the Order is up to, assuming the headquarters remains at 12 Grimmauld Place.

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FCBarca - Jan 8, 2004 4:13 am (#270 of 983)

But surely there's no point having a teacher if your just going to read out of a text book.

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fidelio - Jan 8, 2004 7:54 am (#271 of 983)

Well, no, that would be the Umbridge approach. Phineas Nigellus would be able to deliver lectures, answer questions, and lead class discussions. He could also probably invite other portraits to come as guest lecturers [what a thought!] You can also do a lot with having students stand up in class and demonstrate things, try them out on each other, and so forth. Being stuck in a portrait might be no more liiting than some other handicaps. A friend had a math professor who was legally blind. He would draft students to come and work out problems on the board--usually telling them what to write when it was new material, and sometimes, when it was a review of homework, having them write down what they had done. It worked amazingly well, although it's not quite the same thing as having a tlaking portrait take the class!

However, I'm not really wild about this idea. It just doesn't seem to fit, although it's really not all that weird an idea, given that Professor Binns is still at large!

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timrew - Jan 8, 2004 12:02 pm (#272 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Hem Hem said, "Phineas has a wand in his portrait. The question is, how much use does it have?"

I wasn't suggesting that he could hurl curses out of the portrait (imagine getting 'Crucio'd by an oil-painting!). I was just meaning to say, if he had a wand in the picture, then he could show the students the wand movements for them to copy.

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VeronikaG - Jan 8, 2004 1:51 pm (#273 of 983)

I like this idea, it's just so wacky I have to love it. After all the terrible teachers, why not have one that doesn't really exist?

I would still like to see Lupin teach DADA again, though.

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magepeachtree - Jan 8, 2004 5:44 pm (#274 of 983)

Actually, a talking portrait teaching a class wouldn't be all that limiting. When I was in high school, there wasn't enough money in the budget to have a Japanese teacher for each school, but the school managed to work out a way so that everyone who wanted the class could take it. The teacher would be at one school, but she'd have live video feeds to and from all the other schools. It worked out pretty well. I can't see a talking portrait being all that different.

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Hem Hem - Jan 8, 2004 6:17 pm (#275 of 983)

Would the jinx remain in effect if Phineas is the teacher? What would happen, his picture would get destroyed at the end of the year?

It worries me.

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I Am Used Vlad - Jan 8, 2004 9:10 pm (#276 of 983)

I Am Almighty!
No need to worry, Hem Hem. The DADA teachers have all only lasted one year, but they have not all been killed. Lupin and the real Moody are both alive and well, at least for now.

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Joost! - Jan 9, 2004 2:12 am (#277 of 983)

Second line of information
In my mind there's now an image of Neville accidently knocking over a tin of paint remover...

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VeronikaG - Jan 9, 2004 4:18 am (#278 of 983)

Quirrel is the only DADA teacher killed.

Barty Crouch jr. has lost his soul, but is still physically alive. The real Moody didn't teach on staff, and wouldn't be affected by the jinx. Unless of course it was the jinx that affected him when he was locked up in the trunk.

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Blast - Jan 11, 2004 9:41 am (#279 of 983)

I think I'm back!
You don't need a wand to teach anyway, as long as you can convey the information the students can still use their wands to try the spells. I am not suggesting the Umbridge approach here but a competant teacher telling the students how to doesn't mean they have to show them as well.

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C.A. Thom - Jan 12, 2004 7:02 pm (#280 of 983)

Hello, everyone.

This is only my third post. I was in the wrong thread with a thought on the next DADA teacher, and I was directed here. (I’m still learning!)

Didn’t JKR say somewhere that the next teacher would be someone who lasts more than one year?

I think Lupin is a possibility. Granted, he would leave periodically, but here is where I think something weird could happen. Couldn’t Harry work with Lupin, like an apprentice, or teacher’s assistant? He has already proven he can teach DADA, and the students respect him. Of course, he has much to learn, hence the apprenticeship. Also, Lupin could keep on eye on Harry.

Even though Harry thinks he wants to be an Auror, he is really finding a calling as a Hogwart’s teacher.

Anyone else pick up on Harry being a DADA teacher? Thanks, CAT

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S.E. Jones - Jan 12, 2004 8:08 pm (#281 of 983)

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C.A. Thom: Didn’t JKR say somewhere that the next teacher would be someone who lasts more than one year?

Here's the quote: Barnes & Noble.com, 20 October, 2000
Q: Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?
JR: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!

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Devika - Jan 13, 2004 2:20 am (#282 of 983)

This quote could be interpreted as meaning that an old teacher might be back. This could be Lupin or even a cured Lockhart (highly unlikely..)!!

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VeronikaG - Jan 13, 2004 4:32 am (#283 of 983)

Lupin is only missing one or two days each month. Maybe Harry could substitute for him, but then he would need special permission to be absent from his own classes on those days.

Or maybe the team Lupin/Moody could work, if they can convince Moody he's really needed too much to say no.

Why I think there could be two DADA teachers; Well, Dumbledore's a smart fellow. He knows danger's lurching everywhere, and why not give his students the best possible chance to learn to defend themselves? Having two really good teachers, possibly with different specialties, would be a good choice, if possible. With the two of them, it wouldn't be a problem that Lupin is a wolf now and then.

Somehow, I don't see Hogwarts as the kind of school where budgets decide who they employ. And as Dumbledore seems to have full power over the school as headmaster, he can employ anyone he wants.

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Hem Hem - Jan 13, 2004 7:26 pm (#284 of 983)

Edited Jan 14, 2004 5:36 pm
Of course, this interview may simply mean that the Book 7 DADA teacher doesn't resign/die at the end of the year, and continues teaching after Harry's class graduates. After all, the question was not if Harry would see a DADA teacher lasting two years, but if Hogwarts would.

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VeronikaG - Jan 14, 2004 3:43 am (#285 of 983)

Wasn't the question "Will WE ever see a DADA teacher ..."?

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S.E. Jones - Jan 14, 2004 6:45 am (#286 of 983)

Let it snow!
Nope, check out my post #281.

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C.A. Thom - Jan 15, 2004 8:32 am (#287 of 983)

S.E. Jones

Thanks for the clarification!

CAT

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Mark Bennett - Jan 21, 2004 10:14 pm (#288 of 983)

I think it is possible that Snape will actually become the DADA teacher and that a new potions master will be found. That would be an interesting twist. If not this, I expect we might find out why Snape does not measure up for this post.

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VeronikaG - Jan 22, 2004 3:38 am (#289 of 983)

Snape could get the position, but be so extremely cruel to Harry, Hermione and Neville that they hardly get through. Maybe he makes it right impossible for them to pass the exam, or something. Then they have to find another way to learn DADA. (And I'm not giving up on my Lupin/Moody team theory until book 6 comes out)At the end of the year Snape is fired from DADA, and is back to the potions dungeon, more awful than ever.

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Luanee - Feb 3, 2004 8:36 pm (#290 of 983)

Fleur marrys Bill? Poor Ron - imagine having your idol as a sister-in-law !!

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tracie1976 - Feb 13, 2004 4:53 pm (#291 of 983)

"Harry needs her badly." JKR on Hermione...interview from The Times June 30, 2000 artwork for avatar by logansrogue at livejournal.com
I've read some of the posts on this thread, but not all. Anyways, I think the next DADA teacher will be a member of the Order. Voldemort is getting stronger, and I see Dumbledore putting someone at the position who is capible of protecting Harry. We know Snape is also there but Snape can only do so much lol. Plus there is the slight possibility Snape is still working for Voldemort. Also Trelawaney, the one who said the prophecy, needs her protection too with the prophecy at the MoM being broken. Although I think Voldemort won't be able to get into Hogwarts just yet, DEs may be able to.

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FCBarca - Feb 14, 2004 11:45 am (#292 of 983)

Why does Harry need someone at Hogwarts to protect him! He's got Dumbledore! Dumbledore knows that Voldemort won't attack Hogwarts while he's there. Although I do believe Voldemort will attack Hogwarts, I don't think having someone from the Order to protect Harry is going to help one bit.

Although saying that, it doesn't mean that someone from the Order won't be the next DADA teacher; only I doubt they will be there to protect Harry.

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Chris. - Mar 6, 2004 9:26 pm (#293 of 983)

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I think Dumbledore will want his students trained for, as Harry said, 'what's out there'. I'm leaning towards Kingsley or Tonks.

I would love to see the real Mad-Eye Moody take the position though. We just didn't see his coolness enough in OP.

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Doris Crockford - Mar 7, 2004 11:16 am (#294 of 983)

Harry has McGonagall, Snape, Dumbledore, and Hagrid who are all in the Order at Hogwarts. He doesn't really need anyone else. But I am also hoping for Moody as next DADA teacher.

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Blast - Mar 11, 2004 9:01 pm (#295 of 983)

I think I'm back!
It's funny at the end of book five that a comment is made about having two divination teachers. For a subject that Dumbledore was hesitant to continue why would he attatch two teachers to the subject. If we now have a witch who knows magic, why could she not teach another subject? All we really know about Sybil is that she has made at least two real predictions. She could also be able to teach another subject freeing up someone for the D.A.D.A job. Sybil could of gotten a newt in potions even rivaling the master himself. Dumbledore wants to keep Sybil under his protective eye, so I can't see her leaving and Firenze cannot go back to the forest at the present time. Why waste a teacher when they need someone to teach D.A.D.A.?

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VeronikaG - Mar 12, 2004 4:04 am (#296 of 983)

Maybe Sibyl will be the next DADA teacher. According to one of the interpretations of the DADA/seven potions comparison, the next one will be another not very talented teacher. For all we know, she could even be better at DADA than divination.

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Tomoé - Mar 12, 2004 4:45 am (#297 of 983)

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Good point, Blast end newt, since Firenze is much in the critic-sense-much-be-apply-with-divination way that Dumbledore himself seems to prefer and since the centaur can't use a wand, it would be logical to assign another subject for Trelawney. I don't think that will stop her to make prediction, though. ^_^

VeronikaG, I want to see Trelawney as DADA teacher!

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Prefect Marcus - Mar 12, 2004 9:51 am (#298 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
Edited by Mar 12, 2004 8:51 am
I simply cannot see Dumbledore knowingly giving DADA to an incompetent teacher during this time of crisis. He has known her for sixteen years. If she had been any good at DADA, would he not have asked her to switch subjects before this? At the very least, her prowess on the subject would be known and respected by her peers. I think it more likely that Firenze's differences with the other Centaurs will be smoothed over and he will return to the herd.

At the core of the Centaur problem is the lording over other magical creatures by the Wizards. The last MoM administration did not help. However, the new one will likely be more enlightened than Fudge and his cronies. If Firenze is instrumental in getting the Centaur's grievances addressed, the other Centaurs will be in a more forgiving mood.

The fact that Dumbledore went into the forest alone and come out with Umbridge with not even a scratch on him says something. Rowling made a point of mentioning it, and then quickly changed the subject. That often means she is introducing an idea that will become important later on.

So if Firenze is back with the Centaurs, then Trelawney is free to take up Divination again.

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VeronikaG - Mar 12, 2004 1:13 pm (#299 of 983)

We don't know anything about whether Sibyl is incompetent in other fields. I think she has wanted all her life to be a seer, and that she's holding on to her dream and passion as hard as she can. She may be really competent in other subjects, just not interested in teaching anything else. If she was forced by circumstance to teach DADA, I think it could get interesting. She could turn out quite good.

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Tomoé - Mar 12, 2004 5:45 pm (#300 of 983)

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Or maybe the only post available, when she apply, was the Divination teacher. She had a job and even a pay rise in PoA, so why try to mess up with colleague by asking Dumbledore to switch. She could even be the only competent Divination teacher in all Hogwarts staff, except for Firenze, of course.

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Prefect Marcus - Mar 12, 2004 5:49 pm (#301 of 983)
"Anyone can cook"
Careful Tomoe, we do not know if Sibyl got a pay rise, do we? Dumbledore only mentioned it in a half-serious way to Harry.

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Bash - Mar 12, 2004 5:54 pm (#302 of 983)

What about Tonks? I want that punky little auror!

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Prefect Marcus - Mar 12, 2004 5:56 pm (#303 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
Edited by Mar 12, 2004 4:59 pm
I like her, too. However, we've seen Tonks already. Rowling has always introduced us to the DADA teacher early in the book where they appear, but we never see or hear about them before hand.

Of course she can change her pattern. We shall see.

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Bash - Mar 12, 2004 5:58 pm (#304 of 983)

Sorry, you've seen ME before? (confused)

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Prefect Marcus - Mar 12, 2004 6:07 pm (#305 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
Hopefully that is better. Sorry about that. :-)

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Detail Seeker - Mar 13, 2004 4:02 pm (#306 of 983)

Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
As there have been Ministries that tried to improve the relationship to the centaurs and did not succeed, I do not see, that this will happen so fast. The idea "They have just not tried enough" is not neceesarily applicable.

So, I do not think, that the centaurs will take sides in the upcoming war. Maybe they will have to fight fortheir own survival and thus help one side . But they will do it because o themselves, not as a voluntary assistance. Theidea, thatthe could help one faction might even be a reason for them to debate, whther they should fight.

So, I do not see Firenze returning to his herd - more likely, he dies in protecting his former herd.

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Tomoé - Mar 15, 2004 1:42 pm (#307 of 983)

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Maybe Trelawney will take another subject, like Muggle Studies and Ancient Runes, for which we don't even know the name of the teacher. The former teacher will then teach DADA. That would be as good as a new character, for me at least.

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Hogs Head - Mar 15, 2004 10:20 pm (#308 of 983)

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I'll bet no one has nominated Mundungus. (I won't either.)

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Hogs Head - Mar 16, 2004 8:49 pm (#309 of 983)

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Someone said it would be an old character because JKR supposedly said there would be no new characters. I still say, 5 out of 5 DADA teachers have been totally new characters. My vote is "totally new DADA teacher / character no. 6."

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S.E. Jones - Mar 16, 2004 9:02 pm (#310 of 983)

Let it snow!
When I did a search on this thread, trying to find where the idea came from that JKR wouldn't introduce anymore new characters and I really couldn't find anything substantial. Where did this idea come from? I've never seen this topic discussed in any interview. Is it one of those ideas that we created ourselves and then forgot we created? Can anyone help?

Personally, I have to agree with everyone who's said that the DADA teacher of Book 6 will be a new character, as that has been the patter. I do, however, think the pattern will change with Book 7, since JKR was once asked if we would ever see a DADA teacher last more than one year and I feel that would be the year the break the pattern, not Book 6....

Barnes & Noble.com, 20 October, 2000
Yahooligan_Stephanie: Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?
JR: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!

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JasonS - Mar 17, 2004 1:59 am (#311 of 983)

Student/Harry Fan
This is my first post, but I was thinking maybe Dumbledore won't have as hard of time finding a new teacher. Maybe it was harder for OotP because his name was mud at the time and people were trying to distance themselves from Dumbledore and the school. Maybe the choice for candidates will be larger. Just a thought.

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VeronikaG - Mar 17, 2004 2:40 am (#312 of 983)

JKR has not said she wouldn't introduce new characters after OotP. What she said was that she needed to introduce a bunch of new characters in that book, so they would be there by the time it was use for them in the plot, and not just plop out of the blue later on. My guess is that Tonks, Mundungus of Kingsley will be important in book 6, and that's why we need to know a bit about them already. In book 6 we'll also find out more about Lily, which will mean introducing her old friends, at least as characters from the past.

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Mare - Mar 17, 2004 3:21 am (#313 of 983)

Barnes & Noble.com, 20 October, 2000
Yahooligan_Stephanie: Is Hogwarts ever going to get a "Defense Against the Dark Arts" teacher who lasts for more than one book?
JR: Erm...maybe. Don't want to give too much away there!

You know there might be a new DADA teacher in book 6 AND 7. I can't help but think that this remark is ment for Lupin. JKR could tell us in the epilogue that he returned to Hogwarts after the war to teach DADA.

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Tomoé - Mar 17, 2004 6:53 am (#314 of 983)

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My thought too, Marè, the second year of the long lasting DADA teacher could take place after book 7, therefore allowing a new DADA teacher for book 6 and 7.

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alexa - Mar 17, 2004 6:02 pm (#315 of 983)

I certainly hope that Lupin will be the DADA teacher again. But aren't the parents afraid of a werewolf? Imagine how Snape would feel if he lost this dream position to Lupin again! To make things worse, he have to continue making wolfsbane potions for him.

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Julia. - Mar 17, 2004 7:36 pm (#316 of 983)

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Do we know that Snape ever stopped making the wolfsbane potion for Lupin? Dumbledore knew where he was through out GoF ("Lay low at Lupin's for a while") and now Snape and Lupin are in the Order together. Personally, I don't think Snape has ever stopped making the wolfsbane, although I doubt he's doing it voluntairaly.

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MrsGump - Mar 21, 2004 9:44 am (#317 of 983)

I thought Lupin left because he didn't trust himself with the students; in case he forgot his potion again. So I can't see him coming back to teach again.

Possibly the real Mad Eye could take a turn for a year, so it's "almost" like the same teacher twice. There were also a group of Order members introduced in the "Forward Guard" chapter that didn't make another appearance. Dedilus Diggle comes to mind, since he's been mentioned in a number of books.

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Romana - Mar 30, 2004 4:47 am (#318 of 983)

Hogs Head said that JK said that there would be no new characters. I think it is likely then that the new DADA will be someone who has been mentioned before, but someone we have not 'met'. I agree with whoever mentioned Andromeda first. She seems like a likely candidate.

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but what about the surnameless Florence?

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Hogs Head - Mar 30, 2004 1:02 pm (#319 of 983)

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Actually, I challenged the statement that there would be no new characters -- I asked about the origin of that "urban myth" or "forum myth." I'm guessing that the Book 6 DADA character will be, as with all prior Books, a new character. We may see someone familiar in Book 7 -- still just guessing.

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 25, 2004 1:35 pm (#320 of 983)

This is my first post. My theory on who the new DADA teacher is this:

Harry has to be an auror, right? Well to be an auror he had to get an outstanding o.w.l. in potions. He clearly didn't, since he said he had problems with the theory part of the test. Well, he wouldn't be able to make it into the n.e.w.t. class for potions, which would render him incapable of becoming an auror UNLESS Snape didn't teach potions anymore. Now, we know that it is a rumor that Snape wants the DADA teacher job and I think he will get it this time. The new teacher for potions, however, may take students into his n.e.w.t. class even if they didn't get an outstanding in there o.w.l. So that would mean that there would have to be a new potions teacher, but who, I don't know.

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Chris. - Apr 25, 2004 1:46 pm (#321 of 983)

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I hope Snape does get the chance to teach DADA for a while.

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urzafyffe - Apr 25, 2004 4:25 pm (#322 of 983)

On what would Snape be able to complain on Harry work in the DADA. He seems exceptional about mostly everything in that.

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VeronikaG - Apr 26, 2004 3:33 am (#323 of 983)

I hope Snape will teach DADA, because I think it would bring out more of his true self than the potions master position. DADA is the job he really wants. We could get a chance to learn more about him, find out if he's better or even worse than he seems.

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Julia. - Apr 26, 2004 5:27 am (#324 of 983)

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I don't think Snape would be the man for the DADA job now, at least not for Harry. Harry needs to excell at DADA, more than he already does, if he is going to defeat Voldemort. Snape teaching would not be very condusive to that. Harry hates Snape, Snape hates Harry, and neither of them can put that aside, even for DADA. Just look at the Occlumency lessons, and since that time, Harry's loathing for Snape has only increased. Also, I shudder to think what Snape would do with permission to use hexs and jinxes in class, I have a sneaking suspission that Harry or Neville would be his 'ginea pig' on which to demonstrate curses to the class. At any rate, Snape teaching DADA would not be good, especially for Harry.

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 26, 2004 8:54 am (#325 of 983)

Well that would certainly liven the book up, it seems like that is somthing that JK Rowling would do. It might also make Harry determined to do an excellent job in DADA to impress Snap and give him no reason at all to fail him. Snape will fail Harry on any assignment unless Harry does it perfectly correct. This is demontrated in OoTP by the countless times Snape vanishes Harry's potion becasue he did one thing wrong.

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Chris. - Apr 26, 2004 9:03 am (#326 of 983)

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Just a thought here... maybe Snape isn't fully qualified in DADA.

PA Bloomsbury Edition, P129, Grim Defeat

...They sat and made notes on werewolves from the textbook, while Snape prowled up and down the rows of desks, examining the work they had been doing with Professor Lupin

"Very poorly explained ... that is incorrect, the Kappa is more commonly found in Mongolia ... Professor Lupin gave this eight out of ten? I wouldn't have given it three ..."

Snape is, however, wrong! In Fantastic Beats & Where To Find Them, Newt Scamander states the Kappa is more commonly found in Japan.

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Sconie Girl - Apr 26, 2004 9:04 am (#327 of 983)

I really like this idea that Snape would become the next DADA Teacher. Because like Professor Dumbledore mentioned, I think that it will make Harry even better. He's the one if not the best in his class already, but with Snape teaching he'd need to be perfect. And I think that it would only help him when he faces Voldemort.

Not to mention, it would make for some interesting DADA classes.

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urzafyffe - Apr 26, 2004 11:25 am (#328 of 983)

But Snape does seem to be a great potions master. He can make the wolfsbane potion which is stated to be no easy feat. He can also make Veritaserum which seems not easy to brew either.

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Sconie Girl - Apr 26, 2004 11:42 am (#329 of 983)

I agree urzafyffe, but Snape must also be VERY skilled in the Dart Arts, wasn't it mentioned that he came to school knowing more about the Dark Arts than most other students.

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urzafyffe - Apr 26, 2004 12:11 pm (#330 of 983)

But just because you are skilled at the Dark arts doesn't actually mean you are skilled at defenses against them and how to teach it. Dumbledore seems skilled at it but he taught Transfiguration I believe.

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Chris. - Apr 26, 2004 12:13 pm (#331 of 983)

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Dark Arts and DADA are two opposing subjects.

Snape may have known Dark Art spells, leading on to his Voldy experience, but had still to learn how to defend himself against them.

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 26, 2004 12:22 pm (#332 of 983)

Well since Snape was so good at the Dark Arts, he would know what would be the best things to use against them, wouldn't he? He would know what it was like being a death eater and what kinds of spells you would need to use against tem. He would be the best choice for the job, but then there's the fact that Dumbledore hasn't hired him. Why? He seems like the best person for the job, doesn't he?

About the Lupin connection with the next DADA teacher: Maybe it will be Remus's twin brother to tecah it. They would at least look alike, and in the story of Romulus and Remus, they're brothers. Could Romulus Lupin be the next DADA teacher?

Just some thoughts.

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Chris. - Apr 26, 2004 12:25 pm (#333 of 983)

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I don't know if I would like the 'Romulus' theory. It would seem too coinceidental... for me that is.

Was there a DADA teacher when Snape came to the school for a job? Dumbledore may have liked the teacher, and wanted to keep him. However, Snape wanted the post. Dumbledore refused, and shoved him into the Potions job, as the Master or an apprentice.

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Sconie Girl - Apr 26, 2004 12:28 pm (#334 of 983)

I agree that being skilled at the Dark Arts and being skilled at DADA are two different things. But Snape would have a good idea as to how the DE and Voldemort work, since he has an inside view.

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DJ Evans - Apr 26, 2004 12:36 pm (#335 of 983)

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I've always thought DD kept Snape as the Potions teacher cause Snape was the best there is when dealing with Potions. Though he might, & most likely would make a good DADA teacher, it might be harder for DD to find a someone as good as Snape for Potions. I just think between the two positions, Potions is just the harder one to filled with the qualifications that Snape has for it.

I wouldn't be surprised to see someone who got HIGH marks in their NEWTS within the last 5 years or so, to be the new DADA teacher. In other words, maybe some recent graduated student? Someone we've heard of, but not really "seen" yet? Just a quick thought there.

Later days, Deb

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Catherine - Apr 26, 2004 1:33 pm (#336 of 983)

Canon Seeker
Maybe Percy Weasley will come crawling to Dumbledore for a job! Or perhaps Dumbledore will teach DADA himself.

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Madame Librarian - Apr 26, 2004 5:04 pm (#337 of 983)

I've had the feeling for a long time as I've read this long-lasting thread, that Snape has not been considered for DADA because he is too vulnerable to the dark side of it. Sort of like an addict who can never be exposed to alcohol or drugs or else they'll start on a downward spiral and lose control. Help me, guys, didn't DD say something about having a reason for not letting Snape teach DADA? I'll check, too, but maybe someone remembers this better than I.

If I'm right, it could be verrrry interesting should Professor Snape have to take on the DADA class in book 6.

Hmmpff--I just scoured the Lex, to see if I could find a quote or comment about why DD wouldn't let Snape teach DADA. No luck. I can't even begin to guess which book it (if "it" exists) is in. Help?!?!

Ciao. Barb

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Denise P. - Apr 26, 2004 5:11 pm (#338 of 983)

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I believe JKR made that comment in one of her most recent interviews. Yep, it was in the Royal Albert Hall interview, July 2003

JACKSON LONG:
Professor Snape has always wanted to be Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher. In book five he doesn't get the job. Why doesn't Professor Dumbledore let him be the DADA teacher?

JK Rowling:
That is an excellent question and the reason is… I have to be careful… not to say too much. However, when Professor Dumbledore took Professor Snape onto the staff and Professor Snape said he'd like to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts please and Professor Dumbledore felt that it might bring out the worst in Professor Snape, so Dumbledore said: "I think we'll let you teach potions and see how you get along there."

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 26, 2004 5:38 pm (#339 of 983)

Well that ends that discussion if she said that.^ So who could the DADA teacher be?

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Madame Librarian - Apr 26, 2004 5:41 pm (#340 of 983)

Aaah, thanks, Denise. I knew I'd read something. Well, it's interview canon, so I may be making a leap here that's not quite on target, but I repeat--if Snape has to take on the DADA class, and it "brings out the worst in him," we could be in for some interesting plot developments (well, all plot developments with JKR are interesting).

Ciao. Barb

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mike miller - Apr 26, 2004 6:24 pm (#341 of 983)

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If what I remember reading somewhere on this thread is true, that JKR said she would not be introducing a new character in the role DADA teacher in book 6, then the most logical choice would be an Auror. We know the names of a few, but I'd put my money on Kingsley after his little "memory modification" of Marietta Edgecombe (The Centaur and the Sneak - OotP).

I think Kingsley impressed Dumbledore and it should be easy to work out the assignment with the MoM in light of recent developments. This still provides JKR with the opportunity at character development in "fleshing out" Kingsley without introducing a completely new character.

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Verbina - Apr 26, 2004 10:00 pm (#342 of 983)

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And it would be easier now since he was assigned to tracking Sirius. And unless no one is willing to tell the MOM that Sirius is dead, which is silly, they will no longer need Kingsley on that case.

Though...I don't know...I just get a weird feeling it is someone else. Someone I should know but for the life of me can't think of! Silly gut feelings!!!!!

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Romana - Apr 27, 2004 3:28 am (#343 of 983)

Probably someone mentioned by name and not actually introduced. Andromeda Tonks nee Black for example. There are probably dozens of others.

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 27, 2004 8:50 am (#344 of 983)

I read somewhere that Bill could possibly be the new teacher. doesn't seem like he would do that though. Thoughts?

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Verbina - Apr 27, 2004 10:55 am (#345 of 983)

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He would be qualified for the job. Plus he could help keep an eye on HRH to make sure they don't get into too much stuff. And as a member of the Order, he would be able to be eesentially a body guard for harry. (Impossible to do I know.) Plus Bill seems to be a good influence on Ron, whereas the twins were just a thorn in his side, making things difficult for him. How long has he been out of school now?

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DJ Evans - Apr 27, 2004 10:55 am (#346 of 983)

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Professor Dumbledore, I could see it being Charlie more than Bill though. Don't know why, but it just seems like he "fits" the looks of a DADA teacher--or what I've got in mind for what one would look like.

Later days, Deb

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VeronikaG - Apr 27, 2004 12:10 pm (#347 of 983)

Hmmm.. What does a DADA teacher look like?

Quirrel - Pale, thin, blonde hair (was it), trembling and wearing a turban.

Lockhart - Blonde, wavy hair, forget-me-not blue eyes, perfect teeth, flashing smile, weak chin.

Lupin - Thin, graying brown hair, fine lines on his face, looking tired and a bit ill.

Moody - Long gray hair, one small dark eye, one big rolling blue eye, half a nose, a mouth that is like a gash in the face, wooden leg with claws, scars on every inch of his skin.

Umbridge - Short, fat, stiff brown curls with a bow in it, wide mouth, generally frog like, nasty expression.

I can't really say I see a red line here. The only thing has to be that they all have some unusual features. In that case Bill fits the profile more, with his long hair, fang earring and dragon hide boots. He also seems to have a more lively personality, so he'd make a more interesting DADA teacher. Besides, we need a new guy to have feelings for. :-)

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DJ Evans - Apr 27, 2004 1:51 pm (#348 of 983)

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Yes, I know there is no common line running through the characters that we've had so far in the DADA position. But as I said, Charlie just seem to fit my idea of what the DADA teacher would look like, more so than what Bill would. As you described Bill, he does sound like he would be an interesting figure for the DADA position. And as Harry said in describing Bill, he was--there was no other word for it--cool!! But to me, when I think of the DADA teacher, I can just see someone like Charlie--large hands, fingers with calluses & blisters, a broad (good natured) weathered face & muscular arms--also someone who has enough powers to handle dragons. A no nonsense type of guy. Well, like I said, to "me" he is just in my mind would be a good choice for the position. And I'm not sure either of the Weasley boys will be the next DADA teacher, but I think it would be neat to have one of them fill that position.

Later days, Deb

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Chris. - Apr 27, 2004 2:00 pm (#349 of 983)

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Trelawney told Parvati to beware a red-haired man. If Charlie becomes the new DADA teacher, he might be that guy. But I don't know what she's to be wary of.

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VeronikaG - Apr 28, 2004 12:02 am (#350 of 983)

If Percy is the new DADA teacher, then be afraid, Parvati. Be very afraid. :-D

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 28, 2004 4:49 am (#351 of 983)
Quirrel was bald in the movie because he had voldemort coming out of his head. he seems like he would have brown hair to me though.

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Verbina - Apr 28, 2004 11:20 am (#352 of 983)

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VeronikaG - That is funny!!! I knwo I would be afraid!!!!!

Between the two Weasley boys, I would say that Bill would be better qualified for the DADA position. He deals with curses and jinxes in his work for Gringotts. Charlie on the other hand, deals more with animals and would be better suited for the Care of Magical Creautres class, though Hagrid isn't going anywhere.

No matter which of them may get it, this could open a whole new avenue of trouble for Ron!!! Imagine him being taught by one of his brothers and half way expecting to get by on that! Or having his brother report to his mother just how he really is doing in the class. Imagine the Howler he would get if he failed a test or something!!!! Not to mention the jealousy that might spring up if the girls of the school start to faun all over the Weasley teacher!

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 28, 2004 2:02 pm (#353 of 983)

What you just said Verbina just made me think of something. Lupin is supposed to have some 'connection' to the 6th book teaher, and if Charlie were the teacher, he would probably teach them about magical animals, just like Lupin did. I mean' there is still a lot of animals in 'Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them' that haven't been mentioned at all in any of the books...

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Verbina - Apr 28, 2004 8:47 pm (#354 of 983)

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Connection with the teacher huh? Well, yeah I guess that would work out. Though...a connection with the next teacher and Lupin? hate to say the obvious but that makes me think it might be another werewolf. Or worse yet! A werewolf hunter!!!!!

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VeronikaG - Apr 29, 2004 2:37 am (#355 of 983)

Where does that information come from, about Lupin being connected to the new DADA teacher? An interview?

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 29, 2004 8:15 am (#356 of 983)

If you've been reading, some people have that idea of the connection of quirrel and impostermoody, lockhart and umbridge, and lupin and ?

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Verbina - Apr 29, 2004 10:23 am (#357 of 983)

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True. I did read that. And it is viable theory. But...then...it would mean it would have ot be someone with experience in Dark Arts and have a decent relationship with the students. Plus the students will actually learn something in the class. Hmmmmm and considering that the Aurors are likely going to be needed at the prison now that the Dementors are no longer under MoM control there...it would have to be someone that is not an auror. That would elimnate Kingsley actually. Same with Tonks.

But then, they coudl decide that they need to have an auror in Hogwarts in case of trouble. Then it would have to be someone skilled that they could let go without too much harm to the safety of the rest of the wizarding world.

Hate to say it but it brings me back to Moody. Though it would be difficult for the students to truat him. Or Snape. which sould be a disaster to Harry's wish to become an Auror.

Quite a puzzle I have worked myself into now.

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 29, 2004 11:33 am (#358 of 983)

Well aurors are defined as Dark Wizard cathcers. We don't know who use dto guard the prison before the Dementors. Remember, the dementors started gurading it after you-know-who's downfall, so who guarded it before them? so it is very possible that the new defense teacher will be an auror...

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S.E. Jones - Apr 30, 2004 12:53 am (#359 of 983)

Let it snow!
mike miller: If what I remember reading somewhere on this thread is true, that JKR said she would not be introducing a new character in the role DADA teacher in book 6, then the most logical choice would be an Auror.

Actually, I don't think it is true. I haven't been able to find any interview where she's said anything like this, nor have many others who've looked....

EDIT:
Professor Dd: Remember, the dementors started gurading it after you-know-who's downfall, so who guarded it before them?

Where did you find that? I can't find where in the books it says that the dementors took over as guards for Azkaban, just that they did at some point....

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Professor Dumbledore - Apr 30, 2004 4:44 am (#360 of 983)

I think Dumbledore says it at the end of the 3rd or 4th book...

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Hagsquid - Apr 30, 2004 2:42 pm (#361 of 983)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Edited by Apr 30, 2004 2:44 pm
Well... if we belive what Aunt Petunia says at the begining of OotP, then you're wrong. The Dementors gaurded the prison BEFORE the fall of Voldie. She says she heard "that awful boy telling her about them years ago." Voldie didn't fall until after Jame's and Lily's deaths. She revels that she knows about the Dementors because "they gaurd the wizard prison Azkaban."

So, either she's still in touch with the wizarding world after the downfall of Voldie (unlikely as Uncle Vernon probably would have noticed), or the Dementors gaurded the prison before Voldie's downfall.

heh...

Or, James and Lily are still alive, and in touch with Aunt Petunia, and by "years ago" she literally meant "years ago" and not "years before we got you as a gift on our porch." *shrugs*

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I Am Used Vlad - Apr 30, 2004 3:08 pm (#362 of 983)

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Professor Dumbledore is probably referring to the line "The rest of us sleep less soundly in our beds, Cornelius, knowing that you have put Lord Voldemort's most dangerous supporters in the care of creatures who will join him the instant he asks them!" GoF p.707 US

The "most dangerous supporters" are the Death Eaters, not the Dementors. I don't think it says anywhere that Fudge hired the Dementors after Voldemort's fall.

Sorry for being off topic. I just wanted to resolve this issue.

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Professor Dumbledore - May 1, 2004 9:42 am (#363 of 983)

Oh, wel than the question goes back to who will gurad azkaban and who will the new teacher be?

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Verbina - May 1, 2004 4:09 pm (#364 of 983)

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Hmmm I thought of something last night. In the thread about recurring names, someone noted that Madam Marsh has been on the Knight Bus both times Harry has been on it. Thigns like that don't happen in these books for no reason. In about 75% of the cases, that person has apart to play in the future. Could she be the new DADA teacher? She has been mentioned before so it wouldn't technically be a new character.

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Professor Dumbledore - May 1, 2004 6:51 pm (#365 of 983)

whats more, i think she got off at the same place both times, an old pub. And anohter thing, why does she ride the knight bus if it makes her so sick?

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haymoni - May 1, 2004 6:55 pm (#366 of 983)

Maybe spinning around chimneys in the Floo-Network makes her sick also.

Maybe she gets broom-sick.

Maybe she's not really sick.

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Hagsquid - May 1, 2004 9:02 pm (#367 of 983)

This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
Personally, I'm putting my money on Snape and his teaching of occulemency... Plus... let's face it kids, he's a vampire. What a perfect sequel to Lupin. Wink

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haymoni - May 1, 2004 9:10 pm (#368 of 983)

I'd like to see Remus back again.

I'd like to see the real Moody in the classroom.

Molly Weasley doesn't have any kids at home to worry about anymore. Maybe she knows something about the Dark Arts.

I'm guessing Viktor Krum is still playing Quidditch.

The Aurors we know will be hunting down Voldy & the remaining DEs.

Dumbledore may feel the class is so important this year that he may want to teach it himself.

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VeronikaG - May 4, 2004 5:45 am (#369 of 983)

We're going to see Krum again, but not in the immediate future. I take that to mean he's in book 7, not book 6. He could make a good book 7 DADA teacher though, as he knows the black arts (supposedly).

But if it's Bill Weasley who's the new teacher, I really hope he's the one to last.

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Catherine - May 4, 2004 6:28 am (#370 of 983)

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I was skeptical about Bill being DADA teacher, but suddenly the idea had more appeal for me. Here's why I've changed my mind:

It fits on several levels. First of all, we know from Ginny that Bill doesn't like Snape. That would fit in with the "tradition" we have so far. Snape has appeared to dislike/been disliked by the DADA teachers we've seen thus far. Second, Bill has worked as a curse breaker, so perhaps he'd have something to teach the students about curses or getting past obstacles. My third reason is mostly for humor, but it still has some merit. It involves Bill's last name.

The DADA teachers have all had names that either allude to a "bad trait" or are a bad trait. Quirrell could remind us of "querulous." Lockhart sounds like "lock heart," or someone who can't care for others. Lupin alludes to wolves, and possibly the shyness and mistrustfulness they can exhibit. Moody, well, the name says it all. Umbridge sounds like "umbrage" and carries the connotations of causing offense. So the name "Weasley" fits right into the pattern. I'm not saying that Bill is a weasel, or untrustworthy, but his name does carry the same negative sense that the others do.

Finally, and I am almost completely joking with this last "reason," is hair color. Yes, hair color. We've had DADA teachers with distinctive hair, or hair apparel. Quirrell was known for his turban; Lockhart was known for his shining, perfect golden hair (and hairnets and curlers!); Lupin was prematurely gray; Moody had long gray hair; Umbridge had mousy brown hair and wore headbands and bows. I think I long red ponytail would fit right in and be a welcome change.

Cheers!

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Professor Dumbledore - May 4, 2004 8:47 am (#371 of 983)

Well, Umbrdge didn't hate snape at all while she was there. It seemed that he was the only teacher she liked, until the end of course.

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Catherine - May 4, 2004 9:40 am (#372 of 983)

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I disagree, Professor Dumbledore. I did say that for the pattern to fit, Snape could dislike the teacher, and I got the sense that Snape disliked Umbridge. Umbridge did seem to approve of Grubbly-Plank, so Snape was not the only one she appeared to approve of. I don't think that Snape liked Umbridge telling him to remove the Strengthening Solution from his syllabus, and I don't think he liked her asking why he never got the DADA job.

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S.E. Jones - May 4, 2004 2:24 pm (#373 of 983)

Let it snow!
I kind of like the idea of Bill getting the job too. I don't know that he will, but I like the idea of it. I disagree with those who said it would be hard on Ron, though. Yes, having older brothers there has been hard on him in the past (Percy was a pest and Fred and George constantly degraded him) but I think Bill could do wonders for Ron. Firstly, he might actually get an older brother who is on-hand who will be willing to give him advice instead of just make fun of him (though I'm sure there'll be some of that, he still his older brother, after all). Secondly, it'd be a good reminder that you can be a good Prefect and not have to be like Percy (strange that Ginny never pointed out that Bill was a Prefect when Fred and George were making fun of Ron getting his badge)....

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Professor Dumbledore - May 4, 2004 2:27 pm (#374 of 983)

And also if Bill got the job, you'd have another order memeber at Hogwarts to watch out for harry...

~Professor Dumbledore~

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timrew - May 4, 2004 4:12 pm (#375 of 983)

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It is MHO that Krum will never be a DADA teacher. He's one of the best Quidditch players in the world, so why would he want to be a teacher?

If it's an unknown, as it has been in all the books, then it does not pay to speculate, unless you can read JKR's mind.

But I want the real Moody! He's getting on a bit, he's been brought out of retirement to be in the Order.........so, retire him back to Hogwarts as DADA teacher. He would be one hell of a teacher; and he could also keep an eye on Harry.

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Professor Dumbledore - May 4, 2004 5:58 pm (#376 of 983)

That last post made me think. Why would Bill want to be a teacher? He was a curse breaker for Gringotts!!! He obviously loves adventure, and doesn't seem like he could just stand around and teach stuff all day...

Heres a crazy thought, maybe Dumbledore will tteach the subject, or maybe drop it!

~Professor Dumbledore~

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S.E. Jones - May 4, 2004 6:02 pm (#377 of 983)

Let it snow!
Prof Dd: Why would Bill want to be a teacher?

Well, right now Bill's stuck behind a desk so he can be in England and on hand for the Order... Maybe being a teacher would be more exciting that being in a deskjob?.....

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tracie1976 - May 4, 2004 6:06 pm (#378 of 983)

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Heres a crazy thought, maybe Dumbledore will tteach the subject, or maybe drop it! With Voldemort running around I doubt Dumbledore would drop the subject. Dumbledore would want all his students to be able to defend theirselves IMO.

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Tomoé - May 4, 2004 6:08 pm (#379 of 983)

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Maybe Bill will stay at Gringotts because the Order need someone connected with the Goblins and Bill already have their trust. I mean it should take years to get as close as Bill is from Goblin, you don't waste that away to fill the DADA teacher post.

Edit : right Tracy, Dumbledore won't drop DADA as the VWII begin.

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S.E. Jones - May 4, 2004 6:26 pm (#380 of 983)

Let it snow!
There are other ways to get in good with the Goblins. For instance, doesn't Fleur also work at Gringotts? Also, they could get Fudge kicked out of office and someone new elected who would be willing to open negotiations for certain rights with the Goblins..... Good point, though....

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tracie1976 - May 4, 2004 6:36 pm (#381 of 983)

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JK Rowling World Book Day Chat

miggs: Is there going to be a new minister of magic in the next books? JK Rowling replies -> Yes. Ha! Finally, a concrete bit of information, I hear you cry!

So yes, Fudge is going to lose his job so hopefully the next Minister will be willing to work with the goblins.

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Tomoé - May 4, 2004 7:05 pm (#382 of 983)

Back in business
But it will happen in next books, Fudge could be kicked out at the end of book 7 as well as the opening chapter of book 6.

Plus Fleur does work for Gringotts, but she didn't work for them as long as Bill did (for 5 years at least), sacrificing Fleur would be wiser than Bill, assuming she know something about Defence Against the Dark Arts of course.

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I Am Used Vlad - May 4, 2004 10:10 pm (#383 of 983)

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I don't see Fleur as the next DADA teacher. I don't think she would create an environment that is conducive to learning. Too many of the students would be busy trying to, as Hermione said, "put their eyes back in." DADA will be very important now that everyone knows that Voldemort is back, so I think the new teacher will be someone who will get down to business, without any distractions. The real Moody would be nice.

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Tomoé - May 4, 2004 10:50 pm (#384 of 983)

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I like Hagsquid vampire idea, that would mirror the werewolf in book 3 perfectly. ^_^

Plus we heard a lot about vampire, but didn't encounter one so far. They are studied in DADA for years one to three, they have blood-flavoured lollipops, etc.

It's time we see a vampire. ^_^

Edit : Hem Hem was the very first to bring the idea on the thread, in the opening post.

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FCBarca - May 5, 2004 4:07 am (#385 of 983)

If Bill or Fleur gets the DADA's job in the next book, then Harry's doomed.

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Verbina - May 5, 2004 7:23 am (#386 of 983)

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Hmmm Vampires have been mentioned since book 1. In fact, so were werewolves for that matter. So...yeah I could see it happening though it would make for difficulty in the classes since they would all have to happen at night or in a dark place of the school.

I still think that Ron might have a hard time with Bill being the teacher. Not on a person to person level. But the girls will likely be fauning over Bill a bit. hehe What if Bill is the teacher and Hermione winds up being all giddy over him like she was with Lockhart? That would put a knot in Ron's shorts! ^_^

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Prefect Marcus - May 5, 2004 8:56 am (#387 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
It will likely be someone entirely new. That has been the pattern from book one.

I am positive it will be someone compentent. The MoM will want to make sure of it, even if they have to assign an auror to do it.

I doubt it will be a vampire. I wouldn't put it past Rowling to do so, mind you. It just seems too unlikely.

Marcus

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Tomoé - May 5, 2004 9:18 am (#388 of 983)

Back in business
Nicely said FCBarca, Fleur wasn't even able to handle a couple of Grindylows in GoF. For Bill, we don't know if he's good in teaching DADA, but if Dumbledore didn't asked him for OoP, when he couldn't find a decent teacher, it's because he either don't think Bill could handle the post or he think Bill is more useful somewhere else.

That's why the vampire enter here, while a werewolf is dangerous two or three days a month, a vampire is dangerous 28 to 31 days a month. S/he could be a very skilled person who devoted her/his life to fight Dark Arts but get close to a vampire once too often. Dumbledore didn't dare to hire her/him before because of the danger to bring a vampire in Hogwarts, he preferred to ask Lupin and Moody before to try the vampire.

When he tried all other options, the ministry was leading a personal war against Dumbledore and likely wouldn't allowed him to take a vampire in OoP. But now that he need a competent teacher and is no long the Ministry #1 enemy, he'll go get his competent but vampire DADA teacher.

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Chris. - May 9, 2004 6:15 am (#389 of 983)

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In the interview with JKR just before the release of OP, she said no to Mrs Figg and Fleur.

This could count them out for the remaining books.

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Chris. - May 9, 2004 11:58 am (#390 of 983)

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Oh..oh...oh! Just as I read the vampire theory, didn't Dean shout out about the next DADA teacher being a vampire in OP or GF?

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mischa fan - May 9, 2004 1:58 pm (#391 of 983)

Easy being green, it is not
Kingsley, in PoA, after they found out Lupin was a werewolf Dean wonders who they will get next year, a vampire.

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Ozymandias - May 12, 2004 12:02 am (#392 of 983)

Nothing beside remains...
There do seem to be a lot of references to vampires. Lots of descriptions of Snape and of Sirius before we learn he's innocent as looking like vampires. Dean's hope that they'll get a vamp as their new teacher. In PoA, HRH looking at blood-flavored lollipops in Honeydukes, saying that they're for vampires. I think there are others, but I can't think where right now. I think that's too many mentions to not have a vampire character introduced in book 6 or 7.

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Professor Dumbledore - May 12, 2004 4:50 am (#393 of 983)

well the word 'vampire' is only mentioned about 5 or 6 times in the whole series so far...And they don't describe sirius or Snape aas being a vampire, it just says they have pallid skin, a snken face, pale skin. it never describes them as looking like a vampire...we don't even know what a vampire looks like, none of the trio have come cose to meeting one...

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Catherine - May 12, 2004 4:52 am (#394 of 983)

Canon Seeker
I think that Harry thought that Sirius looked like pictures of a vampire he had seen in his DADA textbook, so yes, it was explicitly stated.

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 12, 2004 8:52 am (#395 of 983)

My guess is that the next DADA lecturer will be a member of the Order of the Phoenix. Kingsley will replace Madame Bones as head of department, as she will become Minister for Magic. The Weasleys will be needed on the field. Tonks will be working full time dealing with Death Eaters. So how about Hestia Jones, Daedulus Diggle or - most likely - Sturgis Pudmore. He has the experience and was a member of the Order thefirst time round. Yes he has been in Azkaban, and under the Imperious Curse (or was he?) so a year at Hogwarts may be what he needs.

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Tomoé - May 12, 2004 9:07 am (#396 of 983)

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Maybe Dumbledore will need as many people as he have in the Order now that the second war will really begin, so I don't think he will sacrifice one of his fellow Order members to fill the DADA teacher post.

Anyway, Dumbledore would have already appointed that competent member in OoP, why let a spy from the MoM enter your staff if you have someone ready to take the post?

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Verbina - May 12, 2004 9:51 am (#397 of 983)

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I'm not sure about DD not wanting to "spare" a member of the order to teach. Voldie is fully on the loose. No more hiding. No more unexplainable disappearances. The Dark Mark will likely rise again. And LV's main target through the books, Harry, is at the school. I think that is more than enough reason to have at least one member of the order teaching there. Plus we can't forget that Snape and McGonagall are also members. I seriously doubt they will be told to leave their positions to go out to stop LV.

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FCBarca - May 12, 2004 9:58 am (#398 of 983)

"I'm not sure about DD not wanting to "spare" a member of the order to teach."

This is something I've always found interesting: what could you teach a student that they could use against Voldemort? He's just too powerful. Remember, these are only kids, and I don't believe kids could ever be taught things that could be used against Voldemort; I believe that Harry will defeat Voldemort through some subtle way, instead of spell knowledge.

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Tomoé - May 12, 2004 10:06 am (#399 of 983)

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Snape, MacGonagall and Hagrid are already teaching in Hogwarts, Dumbledore won't ask them to leave their job to fight and they are capable enough, with the no-member teachers, to held the castle if besieged by the enemy.

If Dumbledore want someone to keep a closer look on Harry, why make him/her teacher? why not bodyguard? That would be much more efficient that correcting papers over night.

Edit : Voldemort and his DE are not the only who can use Dark Arts, there are random people like Umbridge or other students. DADA is always useful in a wizard life. ^_^

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Verbina - May 12, 2004 10:11 am (#400 of 983)

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I don't see it as the DADA teacher teaching the students how to defeat Voldemort exactly. More along the lines of how to protect themselves. That seemed to be what most of the students in the DA wanted to know. How to protect themselves and enough to pass the OWLS.

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S.E. Jones - May 12, 2004 7:32 pm (#401 of 983)
Let it snow!
what could you teach a student that they could use against Voldemort?

The stuff the DA learned from Harry and their DADA classes came in pretty handy against the DEs at the MoM battle at the end of OotP.... I don't think anyone but Harry, and maybe Dumbledore, will be taking Voldemort on directly but it will be important to teach them defense against others who can use the Dark Arts. Like Tomoe said, DADA is always useful in a wizard's life... especially in times like these....

EDIT: Also, Harry is not only Voldemort's main target, but also, well, Dumbledore's main weapon/soldier/whatever. He's the one who's going to have to face 'Ol Lord Voldie, right? So, wouldn't it be best to get a DADA teacher who could help keep watch on him during the day and then give him extra training at night?

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Tomoé - May 12, 2004 8:44 pm (#402 of 983)

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But why not a bodyguard to keep a eye on Harry and give him extra training and lesson at night?

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S.E. Jones - May 12, 2004 11:50 pm (#403 of 983)

Let it snow!
Probably because Harry would refuse that have a bodyguard....

Honestly, kids these days....

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Ozymandias - May 13, 2004 12:30 am (#404 of 983)

Nothing beside remains...
DD does seem concerned with giving Harry as normal a life as possible. A bodyguard would certainly detract from that.

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FCBarca - May 13, 2004 3:09 am (#405 of 983)

Verbina, I didn't say defeat Voldemort, I said 'use' against him.

Where did I say they should abandon DADA, leave it, not learn it because it's useless, and do something else? It's not useless, and learning it is a must; but learning it solely to fight Voldemort and the DEs, I don't believe, is worth it. If you want to fight Voldemort, join the Ministry.

What I said in my last post was a response to having an Order member teaching them, so they can defend themselves against Voldemort and co. I was saying that I don't think you can teach kids spells which would be effective against Voldemort and the DEs, as if they wanted them all dead in the MoM, they would have just used AK curses. The DEs were panicking because Harry had the prophecy. The kids were using the basic of basic spells.

EDIT: The students who were in the Battle at the MoM got done in. Only Harry was left standing at the end of it. So, it showed that what the students learned wasn't enough.

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Ozymandias - May 13, 2004 3:44 am (#406 of 983)

Nothing beside remains...
It depends on how you define 'enough.' Their basic skills were enough to keep the DEs away from the prophecy until the Order showed up. If they hadn't had these skills, who knows what would have happened? My guess is "Accio Prophecy" and that's that.

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FCBarca - May 13, 2004 4:14 am (#407 of 983)

Ozymandias, I was saying that learning what they learned wasn't enough to go and fight Voldemort and co. Remember, they went to the DoM knowing that Voldemort was there. They may have thought they knew enough, but they didn't. The spells they learned were basic, and the DEs are more than a match for basic spells. Remember also, they (the kids) didn't know the Order were coming. So they only survived by chance and luck. Harry and co. would have obviously been killed, as soon as he handed over the prophecy.
And again, Ozymandias, I wasn't saying they shouldn't learn DADA. I was saying that learning it so you can fight Voldemort and the DEs, which was part of the plan (not all of it, I admit), is stupid, because the DEs and Voldemort are more than a match for the DADA that Harry and the others could learn.

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Weeny Owl - May 13, 2004 3:01 pm (#408 of 983)

The six in the Department of Mysteries battle were just fifth-year students, though. Obviously fifth-year students who haven't had a proper education in Defense Against the Dark Arts won't perform up to standards, but with the help of the DA, they didn't do too badly considering they were outnumbered two to one.

I don't think the Death Eaters are more than a match for the Defense Against the Dark Arts that Harry & Company could learn... they just need the right teacher.

As for joining the Ministry if someone wants to fight Voldie, they won't be part of the Ministry if they don't get good marks in their classes, and Aurors especially need a strong Defense Against the Dark Arts education. The education has to come first, and having someone teach who actually knows the subject is a must.

There's no telling what the sixth-year students might be capable of if they have the proper education.

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Tomoé - May 13, 2004 3:20 pm (#409 of 983)

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That depends if Voldemort and the DE have some very efficient custom spells. If they use custom spells, the students of Hogwarts are not likely to know how to counter or remove those curses, even the healer of St Mungo's or the Aurors could have difficulties as well.

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S.E. Jones - May 13, 2004 5:18 pm (#410 of 983)

Let it snow!
What the six learned was, as said before, enough to keep the DEs away from the prophecy until the Order came. If they had had a stronger teacher for all five years (being that all but two of them were in their fifth year) they may have stood a slightly better chance. I don't think anyone but Harry will be facing Voldemort anytime soon, but knowing these basic skills certianly comes in handy if the students need to defend themselves or, at the very least, hold someone at bay....

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Ozymandias - May 13, 2004 5:20 pm (#411 of 983)

Nothing beside remains...
Excellent point, SE Jones. That reminded me that Harry is the only student who has even seen Voldie so far, let alone fought him.

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quibble savant - May 13, 2004 6:08 pm (#412 of 983)

I believe Snape will move into the DADA position since he will be able to teach them enough to get them to the level they need to be at to definitely hold there on.

I also believe Madam Marsh will become the potions teacher. After all, each time we encountered her on the Knight's Bus she had potions ingredients.

I think this will allow Harry to take NEWT potions with and Exceeds Expectations grade and make for a very interesting story in the DADA classes.

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I Am Used Vlad - May 13, 2004 8:27 pm (#413 of 983)

I Am Almighty!
I don't think Snape will take over the DADA position. Harry's development in DADA is crucial at this point, and Dumbledore found out in OotP that Snape teaching Harry just doesn't work out. There's too much animosity between them. Dumbledore won't make the same mistake twice.

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Weeny Owl - May 13, 2004 8:32 pm (#414 of 983)

Custom spells could be a hazard, but if the students get an advanced defensive education, then they'll be much more efficient in most situations.

As Sarah said, Harry will be dealing with Voldie, but he isn't the only danger. Even in relatively peaceful times, the students need more than what they've received so far.

If not for the DA, no one under Umbridge's delicate tutelage would have learned a thing.

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FCBarca - May 14, 2004 2:33 am (#415 of 983)

People are misunderstanding my posts, and I apologize for that.

Harry knew Voldemort was at the DoM. So did Hermione and Ron. Now, Harry's mind was clouded, because of Sirius, but he obviously thought he could save Sirius, otherwise he never would have went.

I DID NOT say they shouldn't learn DADA, or even start Dumbledore's Army. What I said was that learning DADA, and starting the DA, solely so they can fight Voldemort (the only way you would have to protect yourself against him is if you fight him), is stupid and reckless, as he and his DEs are too good for normal DADA.

Weeny Owl, you've completely misunderstood my last post. When I said 'they haven't learnt enough', I meant they haven't learnt enough because they're fifth years. Not because DADA's is rubbish, or stupid, or anything like that, but because fifth years against full-fledged wizards is no match. Fifth years can't learn enough to fight Voldemort and the DEs. Also, you say about you need a good DADA's grade? Exactly, and learning DADA so you can get into the Ministry is what you should be doing. But learning it so you can fight Voldemort is not what you should be doing.

Look at the battle at the end. Everyone of the kids was injured, except Harry. The only reason he wasn't injured was because he had the Prophecy.

Weeny Owl, you forgetting about age. I don't think anyone at Hogwarts has enough Magical ability in them, while at Hogwarts, to learn stuff that could tackle advanced Dark Arts. Look at Lestrange: she knows Dark Arts that even most adults may not be able to learn, so I doubt kids could tackle that kind of power. Malfoy is quite clever as well, I would think. Remember, Voldemort trains his people well.

A protégé of Voldemort can only be matched by a protégé of Dumbledore, I believe.

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Catherine - May 14, 2004 4:55 am (#416 of 983)

Canon Seeker
FCBarca,

I think that a central tenet of Rowling's works is that children/teens do have power. So your argument that these teens are mere fifth years fighting seasoned, evil Death Eaters proves this to me. The students rise to the occasion, and every one of them make it home alive. The same can't be said for adult members of the Order of the Phoenix.

It's not just about pure ability or experience with spells, but also about character, friendship, and bravery--something the DEs completely lack. You may believe, and rightly, that the students may have not "learnt enough," but I think they have proved to have an "O" level of determination, loyalty, and heart.

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mike miller - May 14, 2004 5:14 am (#417 of 983)

aka The Barmy Old Codger
Well said Catherine! Take 10 points for your house. It is their heart that makes the difference. If you look at their overall DADA instruction, they have had to deal with sub-standard instruction in 2, possible 3 (I'm not sure about Quirrell) of their 5 years. If not for what Harry's learned, mostly from experience, this group would be extremely behind.

Whether or not the DA should have confronted the DE's, Voldemort, whether they were prepared for what they were going to face is irrelevent. What kind of story would we have without these events? Afterall, this is a story about good vs. evil and the choices we all have to make. JKR is providing us the opportunity to be a part of a wonderful story that would fall short without conflict.

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FCBarca - May 14, 2004 5:32 am (#418 of 983)

Catherine, they nearly died. They survived because the Order members turned up, and they survived because Dumbledore showed up.

But what you are saying is that children are as powerful as adults, and I don't believe that is true. The children did do well in the battle...for a while. But only one was left standing at he end of it. Now, that tells me that they lost.

Catherine and Mike, you say the kids have determination, loyalty, and heart. That's correct. But where did they get with it? Near death is the answer.

This discussion is not about the next DADA's teacher, so we should end it, at least on this thread.

EDIT: Mike, I look at things from an 'in-the-book' perspective. This is fiction, and with it comes things that wouldn't happen realistically. I enjoy these books because of that. So I'm not saying the books should be different. Everything in the books is good, and the DA should have gone. Change that and it's rubbish. I'm saying from an 'in-the-book' perspective that they were foolish to go; I'm not saying JKR is foolish to put it in, as it needs to be there.

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Anna Katarina - May 14, 2004 9:52 am (#419 of 983)

I don't understand what the issue is and I might get it all wrong but I have to say this. My feeling is that one purpose to the story, is to fight the good fight at all costs. Even going up against an over powering force with little or no hope of winning, is worth whatever the cost, because the fight MUST be fought. The important part is to stand up against evil. If one doesn't the evil has won. What would you have the DA's do, FCB? Run, hide and hope that someone else feels up to the challenge to take on Voldemort? Just the fact that they go to the place where they KNOW they probably wont get back from makes them pretty powerful in my book. They have willpower and determination.

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Ozymandias - May 14, 2004 10:03 am (#420 of 983)

Nothing beside remains...
As Harry said in PoA: "It's only dying a bit sooner than I would have otherwise, because I'm never going over to the Dark side." (Sorry it's not an exact quote, I've been listening to the audiobook.)

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FCBarca - May 14, 2004 11:41 am (#421 of 983)

"What would you have the DA's do, FCB? Run, hide and hope that someone else feels up to the challenge to take on Voldemort?"

Anna, they're children. They not even in their last year of Hogwarts. It's for adults to fight Voldemort, not children. When they older, then join the Order.

Run, hide and hope that someone else feels up to the challenge

Anna, that is what the OotP is for. It's not for students who haven't got much of a chance in taking on grown wizards.

Here are a few quotes:

(after Lupin tells Harry he can't join the Order.)

"There are dangers involved of which you can have no idea, any of you..."

(from Dumbledore, at the Leaving feast, GOF)

"Remember, if the time should come when you have to make a choice between what is right, and what is easy, remember what happened to a boy who was good, and kind, and brave, because he strayed across the path of Lord Voldemort. Remember Cedric Diggory."

If I didn't know better, I would say you could change the name to Harry Potter, or any other kid who wants to fight Voldemort. The difference being that Harry has to fight Voldemort, the rest don't.

Again, this is off topic.

EDIT: I've just remembered there's a Dumbledore's Army thread. This discussion should be continued there.

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Anna Katarina - May 14, 2004 12:28 pm (#422 of 983)

I wish I could 'change my name to Harry Potter, or any other kid who wants to fight Voldemort', sadly I'm not brave, loyal, will full or clever enough. Be that as it may, I still can agree with you on the fact that underage students shouldn't be in the Order. But even so, when there is a need to fight I don't think anyone could/would/should look away. I can't see any other way for Harry to be able to live with himself if he had NOT gone, remember that he believed, no knew, that Sirius was being tortured. Harry tried to make the others stay behind, they wouldn't. They saw it as a chance, not to do what's easy but what is right.

I hope, wish and believe that the next DADA teacher will be a competent person. Therefore I can't see it being Snape. He has his strong points but maybe getting the best out of the students isn't one of them. So my guess on teacher is... Someone competent but not Snape.

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S.E. Jones - May 14, 2004 12:33 pm (#423 of 983)

Let it snow!
It's for adults to fight Voldemort, not children. [omitted]The difference being that Harry has to fight Voldemort...

Okay, you confused me a bit with that last part. So it is for a kid to fight the big baddie?

Anyway, we all seem to agree, these kids need a really, really good DADA next year or they're all going to be toast. So, who's it going to be? I'm guessing not Mrs. Figg, spunky as a lady as she is....

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Catherine - May 14, 2004 12:44 pm (#424 of 983)

Canon Seeker
So, funny! I can see Mrs. Figg teaching them to swat Death Eaters and dark creatures with shopping bags full of cat food...

Seriously, though, I still would like to see a member of the Order coming in to teach, and I'd love for it to be Bill Weasley, as I've said before.

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Weeny Owl - May 14, 2004 1:10 pm (#425 of 983)

The reason, at least as I see it, that a competent Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher is absolutely necessary is BECAUSE they're kids.

These children might be safe while at Hogwarts, but what about holidays? There's no way of knowing when they might encounter a stray Death Eater now that the war is heating up, so the fact that they are kids is why they need a strong grounding in defense.

It may be for adults to fight Voldie, but this is a war, and evil isn't going to stop and wait for anyone to grow up. Children might just be a target because of what losing a child could do to a parent and to the war effort.

The Wizarding World has to stand together and fight Voldie and the Death Eaters, and that includes everyone... children and adults.

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FCBarca - May 14, 2004 2:19 pm (#426 of 983)

"Okay, you confused me a bit with that last part. So it is for a kid to fight the big baddie?" S.E. Jones,

S.E. Jones, you can answer that question yourself. It's in the word 'has'. Harry has to fight Voldemort. The other kids don't. There's a choice for the others, there isn't for Harry. If you said to Harry, "would you lke to face Voldemort?", he would say "no". Are you saying the other kids would say "yes"?

Anna, you misrad my post. When I said "I would say you could change the name to Harry Potter, or any other kid who wants to fight Voldemort", I was talking about the quote above; where it says 'Cedric Diggory', you could replace it with 'Harry Potter' or any other kid.

I think Dumbledore's quote is one of the best in the series. I think it shows that anybody thinking of crossing paths with Voldemort will more than likely end up dead.

Anyone who wishes to reply to any of this post should really do so on either that character's thread, or the 'DA' thread, as it really will be off topic here.

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FCBarca - May 14, 2004 3:18 pm (#427 of 983)

Here's a summary of my opinion, as I know some of my posts have been easy to misunderstand, because I have hastily replied: FCBarca "Summary of my opinion"

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Rich - May 14, 2004 11:05 pm (#428 of 983)

Families are about love overcoming emotional torture. -Matt Groening
Does anyone else see Karkaroff as a plausible candidate for the next DADA teacher, if it's someone we've heard of, that is. I brought this up some time ago but I'm bringing it up again in the hope that there'll be some new input (and to change the subject).

He has fled from Voldemort, so it's not likely that he would've returned to Durmstrang to teach. We haven't heard from him for 12 months and he needs somewhere safe. He has a very broad understanding of the Dark Arts as he was (is?) a DE and the school he was/is Head of teaches Dark Arts, I think. He's disposable; after teaching he can be killed and the impact on the story will not be as great as having Moody, Tonks, Bill, Charlie or whoever killed.

I'd personally like to see him DADA teacher as it would result in some interesting situations. HRH, being a bit cynical (I'm not knocking them for it, I'm a professional cynic but my heart's not in it - ignore that if you don't listen to Blur) will automatically suspect Karkaroff of being up to no good. As will most of the school for that matter.

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Kieran Burke - May 15, 2004 5:00 am (#429 of 983)

I think it will be someone we haven't met yet, that's been the pattern so far, it also makes the book interesting because we have a new character to focus on.

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VeronikaG - May 16, 2004 12:50 pm (#430 of 983)

But by now it's getting so late in the series it will seem stranger to all of a sudden have a fully qualified DADA teacher just showing up from nowhere than to have Dumbledore facing the fact that he need to use a member of the Order to fill the position. Where on Earth would they find somebody qualified and willing to take on the position now? Lockhart just did it for promotion, Lupin would take any paid job, Moody only accepted for a year, and Umbridge was an emergency solution. This has been said almost 50 times before: Getting a good DADA teacher is practically impossible, and if there were someone available, someone other than the ones listed earlier, why hasn't (s)he been hired years ago?

The school needs a good DADA teacher more than it has ever needed one. But what on Earth could be the circumstances that would allow this previously unavailable and unmentioned person to suddenly become available? I just can't think of any. So I say there is a bigger chance that we see a previously introduced character as book 6 DADA teacher. Rowling said she had to put a few people into OotP, so we wouldn't wonder where they suddenly came from in book 6. I think one of them could be the next DADA teacher.

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Prefect Marcus - May 16, 2004 6:36 pm (#431 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
Well I would think that the MoM wants a good DADA teacher now. They have a stable of Aurors to choose from. So that is one way that we can get a brand new, unseen teacher this book.

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S.E. Jones - May 16, 2004 10:20 pm (#432 of 983)

Let it snow!
The school needs a good DADA teacher more than it has ever needed one. But what on Earth could be the circumstances that would allow this previously unavailable and unmentioned person to suddenly become available?

What kept Lupin from taking the job in Book 2 if he'd take any paid work? Why didn't Dumbledore ask Moody to come out of retirement in Book 2 or 3? The good teachers we've had (and I think Crouch Jr did a fair impression of Moody and so he would've been a good teacher) were brought in because Dumbledore pulled strings somewhere or because certain things fell into place. For instance, maybe Lupin just happened to lose his job at the end of Book 2 and was looking for a new one or maybe Dumbledore just happened to find out he was looking for work at the end of Book 2. Either way, things just happened to line up just right. I'm sure JKR will have some similar situation with the new DADA teacher, should they be some new, never before seen character.....

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 18, 2004 3:08 am (#433 of 983)

Having followed the debate I still guess its going to be a member of the Order of the Phoenix. I'm sure I've read somewhere that JKR is not going to introduce any new characters.

Ah I have it. And I'm not sure anyone else has mentioned it. How about a ghost? A ghost who was a member of the Order would not be needed to battle Voldemort. Yes - Sirius Black.

Yes he died when he went through the death arch, but he was killed by the arch. I think he was hit by a stunning spell which sent him through. Could Dumbledore go to the Department of Mysteries and speak with Sirius and get him to do the job?

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Catherine - May 18, 2004 4:57 am (#434 of 983)

Canon Seeker
Phelim, I'm assuming you're kidding, but just in case you're not, we know from Nick that Sirius "will not come back...he will have gone on." I don't think we'll be seeing a ghostly Sirius, and I don't want to. Sirius deserves "the next great adventure," and I think that's what he would choose.

Back to the DADA position: I haven't been able to find the quote where Rowling says she won't introduce anyone new; do you know where you heard/read it?

I'd love to see someone young and cool like Tonks or Bill at Hogwarts teaching DADA, but somehow I might feel safer with someone older and more experienced--like Snape or Dumbledore?

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 19, 2004 4:57 am (#435 of 983)

Joking about Sirius? Yes Nearly Headless Nick says he won't come back, but what about Luna's comments. He may not be DADA lecturer but there is a hint that Sirius and Harry will meet again.

I think it was in an interview.I'm not sure if it was the CBBC Newsround one or the Albert Hall one, but I've come across it somewhere.

Seriously though, my main candidate is Sturgis. Yes he spent time In Azkaban nut JKR has also said that we should not believe Snape is all good. I wouldn't want him to be DADA lecturer.

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Catherine - May 19, 2004 5:01 am (#436 of 983)

Canon Seeker
The thing about Snape not being totally good--well, it would fit the pattern somewhat. All of the DADA teachers have had something evil or shifty (even Lupin, as he was hiding his relationship with James from Harry, and hiding his lycanthropy from the students). Snape obviously doesn't fit the "intoducing a new character" aspect, and neither does using anyone else I suggested. So I guess I'll have to wait to see who it is.

Deep sigh...twiddling thumbs....

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S.E. Jones - May 19, 2004 3:59 pm (#437 of 983)

Let it snow!
I think Luna's comment was more in line with what Dumbledore meant when he said, "You think the dead we loved ever truly leave us? You think that we don't recall them more clearly than ever in times of great trouble?" (PoA). I also think Luna's line was meant to show that there is some sort of, er, 'life after' and that you don't just cease to exist. Either way, I don't think the line was meant to show that Sirius will be coming back....

You never know Catherine, it could be someone who's been named but never seen... Would that count as a new character?

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 20, 2004 2:33 am (#438 of 983)

But what about her comment about the death room that they were just "hiding"? She also says along with this that she will see her mother again. Yes this could mean an afterlife, but is this the type of thing JKR would put into her book? Usually these comments are plot clues. I've said something along these lines in the linking of wands thread. Sirius will be back, in spirit at least.

Now where is that quote from JKR about having introduced all the characters she will be using. I've read it to do with the WEasley's cousin.

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Padfoot - May 20, 2004 12:37 pm (#439 of 983)

I wonder if Dumbledore might take the position. Obviously he is skilled at DADA. Plus, he has been a teacher before becoming headmaster. Not sure if he could be both headmaster and teacher though.

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S.E. Jones - May 20, 2004 2:56 pm (#440 of 983)

Let it snow!
Yes this could mean an afterlife, but is this the type of thing JKR would put into her book?

I do think it is the sort of thing she'd put in as she's already alluded to it in PS. Also think of the context of the quote. Harry's feeling as if he'll never see Sirius again, as if he's lost him forever (i.e. Sirius has gone "poof" into nothingness) because he isn't coming back as a ghost when he runs into Luna...
Luna: "And anyway, it's not as though I'll never see Mum again, is it?"
Harry: "Er - isn't it?" said Harry uncertainly.
Luna: She shook her head in disbelief. "Oh, come on. You heard them, just behind the veil, didn't you?"
Harry: "You mean..."
Luna: "In that room with the archway. They were just lurking out of sight, that's all. You heard them."

It's like Dumbledore said in PS, "To the well-organized mind, death is but the next great adventure." It's exactly the sort of thing she'd include in her book because it's a continuation of that idea.

As for the quote about not getting new characters, I still haven't been able to find that on any quote sites.

I don't think Dumbledore would do it. He be doing three jobs: Headmaster, Teacher, and Head of the Order. Not to mention the responsibility he has of keeping track of Harry. That alone would make me go bonkers. I could definately see him getting an Order member, though. Or, if he did want to do it, maybe making McGonagall the new Headmistress.....

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Dumbledore - May 21, 2004 2:05 pm (#441 of 983)

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What do you think of the idea of Snape finally becoming the defense against the dark arts teacher? I have really have no evidence to back that up...it's kind of a stretch. But nobody really wants the job and Snape's been after it for years. For a long time Dumbledore's been having to scrape the barrel for people to have the job. Obviously Snape is well qualified in the defense against the dark arts field, and if Dumbledore can't find anyone else for the position, he may turn to Snape, if even as a last resort. Whether or not he would continue teaching potions is open for discussion!!

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S.E. Jones - May 21, 2004 8:24 pm (#442 of 983)

Let it snow!
I think it's possible, but I don't think it'll happen till Book 7 if it does. JKR has always had the DADA teacher be someone new so she'll probably keep to this pattern for at least another book before breaking it....

EDIT: Won't the school governors be very interested in having an especially good DADA teacher this year? If nothing else, it may give them a sense of security that their children are well defended with someone trained in Defense at the school....

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 22, 2004 3:04 am (#443 of 983)

Death the next big adventure. A great reference to the afterlife, not!!! Look at the context of that quote and does it really suggest a thing? I don't think so.

Also re Luna's comment, don't forget she is the person who first told Harry he could see the Thestrals. Also, even though Neville could see the Thestrals he couldn't hear the voices in the Death Room. So What Luna says is important. The context may be a red herring.

But this is coming off thread and too close to being a religious topic so we'd better be careful.

As to the next DADA I still guess a member of the Order. Also a fresh thought about Sturgis. With the reappearence of Voldemort and the fact that Death Eaters tried to get the prophecy his presence down there that led to his arrest can be explained. This will allow him to be rehabilitated. But I go back on my suggestion on him being the teacher. I'm not sure as a parent that I would want someone who was put under the Imperious Curse teaching my kids.

One character I would like to know more about is Emiline Vance. How about her?

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Dumbledore - May 22, 2004 5:24 am (#444 of 983)

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Or for that matter, how about any other member of the Advance Guard and Order of the Phoenix that we really don't know much about yet? To be in the Order, they already have to be well qualified in defense against the dark arts...

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Dumbledore - May 22, 2004 5:25 am (#445 of 983)

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Sorry, I'm just kind of throwing random suggestions out there!

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S.E. Jones - May 22, 2004 9:41 am (#446 of 983)

Let it snow!
Death the next big adventure. A great reference to the afterlife, not!!! Look at the context of that quote and does it really suggest a thing? I don't think so.

You confused me with that last one, Phelim. Maybe we can pick up the discussion on the Death in the Wizarding World thread.

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ex-FAHgeek - May 23, 2004 11:20 am (#447 of 983)

What was the name of the guy who proctored Harry's DADA OWL exam? We could always put him on the list of possibilities, just for kicks...

Now that Griselda Marchbanks is no longer on the Wizengamot, she could have some extra time on her hands to teach DADA. Of course, she was old enough to administer Dumbledore's NEWTs, so maybe not...

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Dumbledore - May 23, 2004 3:11 pm (#448 of 983)

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ex-FAHgeek - the teacher who proctored Harry's DADA exam was Professor Tofty.

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rambkowalczyk - May 25, 2004 6:39 am (#449 of 983)

Another pattern I noticed about DADA is that each teacher introduces something new about the wizarding world. Quirrel that teachers can be a joke (actually Quirrel doesn't really fit this theory). Lockhart-that there is life after school in the wizarding world, that memory charms can be a powerful tool. Lupin-that there are outcasts in the wizarding world, he was also a link to Harry's father. Moody-introduced us to the law enforcement part of the wizarding world, did any know Aurors existed in book 3? Umbridge introduced us to the complexity (or mundaneness)of the Ministry of Magic.
Whoever the new teacher he/she will also introduce us to a part of the wizarding world that needs to be revealed. Some of the more excellant suggestions were someone who knew Lily, or the Portraits or Ghosts. I was thinking of a healer from St Mungos mainly because the mean to defeat Voldemort isn't going to come from a traditional DADA book. I'm thinking Voldemort gets injured and Harry who feels he has to do something tries to heal him and this somehow defeats him.

Enough of lame brain ideas. The question is what part of the wizarding world have we not been introduced to.

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 25, 2004 8:35 am (#450 of 983)

Great thoughts rambkowalczyk. If it is going to be a ghost my guess is that it will be the Grey Lady. Didn't J K Rowling say that she was going to become important in a later book or something along those lines, or is it that I'm imagining things again?

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Verbina - May 25, 2004 8:36 am (#451 of 983)
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Well, in defence of the idea of it being Bill Weasley, it would open to the students the methods employed at Gringotts. Something still shoruded in mystery. It would also birng forth the Goblins in the story line, something which has been skirted around really up to now. We know very little about them in all truth. They seem shifty yet everyone trusts them with their money. Sort of an odd situation to say the least.

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 26, 2004 7:32 am (#452 of 983)

Nice thought Verbina, my only problem is who would be the Order's contact in Gringotts. But Dumbledore would get around that. Bill would really be qualified as a curse breaker wouldn't he. But how would Ron cope with having his brother as a teacher?

A ghost, Bill, Emeline or a St Mungo's healer. And we have only two books left. Come on Ms Rowling (If you're reading this) please let us know soon!

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Chris. - May 26, 2004 8:20 am (#453 of 983)

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There's still Fleur at Gringotts and I think Ron would cope quite well with Bill as the DADA teacher. Is Bill his favourite brother?

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Tomoé - May 26, 2004 1:26 pm (#454 of 983)

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But is she a member of the Order?

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Chris. - May 26, 2004 1:57 pm (#455 of 983)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Well, that's unknown still but I think she's on the Good side.

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Dumbledore - May 26, 2004 3:57 pm (#456 of 983)

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Are we talking about Fleur? If so, then we really don't know if she's in the Order but I don't think Bill would have such a good relationship with her if she was on the bad side.

I don't know if Bill is Ron's favorite brother, but I think we do know that Ron admires and respects Bill greatly.

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rambkowalczyk - May 26, 2004 7:51 pm (#457 of 983)

Perhaps the DADA will be a goblin.

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Verbina - May 27, 2004 7:21 am (#458 of 983)

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O_O I never once thought about a Goblin as DADA! We don't know much about them and so it could fit. The only possible snag woul dbe if the magic of a GOblin is different than the magic of a wizard/witch, like how the house elves magic is different, allowing them to apparate in Hogwarts.

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 27, 2004 9:16 am (#459 of 983)

Not sure whether a Goblin would work as a DADA teacher. Not just because of te diference in magic. There is also the different views of the world. Imagine a goblin teaching about the goblin rebellion. Look at the trouble they caused when the Wizard Council was trying to classify what a being is. Look at the difference between centaur and human divination. And also Hagrid's view of what makes a dangerous creature - look at what he's tried to tame!!

I wouldn't like a goblin teaching my child. Their idea of teaching about the dark arts would be to put a high security curse on the class room door and laughing at the students when they get locked in.

I have written a piece of fan fiction where the new teacher is half nymph though. Gets them into a few situations, and of course the Slytherins don't like it. Its almost as bad as having Hagrid as a teacher. I will try and remember to post it.

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S.E. Jones - May 27, 2004 11:19 am (#460 of 983)

Let it snow!
I don't think a Goblin can use a wand. I mean, I don't think they're allowed under wizarding law. So, it wouldn't do much good to have someone who can't use a wand teach those who need to use a wand how to use one. See what I mean?

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Dumbledore - May 27, 2004 2:32 pm (#461 of 983)

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It would be interesting to have a magical creature teach DADA, though!

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Tomoé - May 27, 2004 4:47 pm (#462 of 983)

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It sounds just like Umbridge lesson Sarah. ^_^

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timrew - May 28, 2004 4:00 pm (#463 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
My two favourites are still the real Moody, or the portrait of Phineas Nigellus.....

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Dumbledore - May 29, 2004 5:59 am (#464 of 983)

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Timrew, what indications do you have that Phineas Nigellus was skilled in DADA? I don't think it was mentioned anywhere in the books that he was even a very good wizard!

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Dumbledore - May 29, 2004 5:59 am (#465 of 983)

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Sorry, hope that last post didn't sound rude Timrew!!!!! :-)

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timrew - May 29, 2004 3:23 pm (#466 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
No offence taken, Dumbledore! I just thought the idea of a portrait teaching DADA was cool! No reason for it at all.

I've also put forward Dobbie to be DADA teacher in the past!


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Professor Dumbledore - Jun 7, 2004 6:03 pm (#467 of 983)

Dobbie or a portrait as the DADA teacher? well we all know JK can surprise us, it could be!

~Professor Dumbledore~

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Isenduil - Jun 7, 2004 10:17 pm (#468 of 983)

I know this was said before but I think the teacher would have to be able to use a normal wizard wand which House Elves are not allowed to use.

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Diagon Nilly - Jun 8, 2004 6:17 am (#469 of 983)

I'd like to see Snape finally have the post...maybe in book seven. But I'd love to see what he'd do with it. Dumbledore is having a harder and harder time finding someone...the MoM had to appoint that Umbridge woman last time because a suitable replacement couldn't be found. Things might get desperate enough to let Snape have the position...

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Prefect Marcus - Jun 8, 2004 7:39 am (#470 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
If Snape got the DADA job, who would take potions? Why would Dumbledore lose a superior potions teacher to get a mediocre DADA teacher?

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Diagon Nilly - Jun 8, 2004 7:43 am (#471 of 983)

Snape could do both, they'll just have to make DADA "Double" DADA like Potions is. If Dumbledore were to give Snape the job it would be contingent on his "finding the time" to do it.

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pedrobobo - Jun 9, 2004 8:21 am (#472 of 983)

I feel that Snape has a good chance at becoming the next DADA teacher. I have posted my reasons on other Harry potter forums in the past, but will see if I can dig up a copy of those posts (or I may just retype it).

I am highly skeptical that ANY teacher at Hogwarts would be able to teach 2 separate subjects. Potions and DADA both teach students in years 1-7 and as such would have a MINIMUM of 7 classes each. I just don’t see how any teacher would be able to dedicate that much time to teaching (not to mention grading homework and preparing for upcoming classes) without going insane.

Then again… I might like an insane Snape better…

edit: Is a "double" class just a class with a longer class period? Does it meet less often? I never was sure when I was reading the books.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jun 9, 2004 8:42 am (#473 of 983)

In the UK education system a single period is one lesson of about an hour. Double would mean a lesson for two hours. Snape for two hours, help.

As to Snape being both DADA and Potions, how on earth would Harry actually pass any exams. They would kill each other.

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librarian314 - Jun 10, 2004 6:46 am (#474 of 983)

Hey all!

I read through all these posts yesterday and think there are some really interesting ideas floating around here.

I'm firmly in the camp of those that believe it will be someone completely unknown but because of the pattern it will be someone who is against You Know Who, not Everyday evil, and is friendly towards Harry. (The pattern I found is Voldemort Evil (Quirrell and FakeMoody), Everyday Evil (Lockheart and Umbrage), and all around nice person (Lupin and ?). I also agree with those that think that it will be one of Lily's friends. Harry needs to find out more about his mum and what better way than through one of her classmates.

Thanks for the interesting ideas!

*michelle the librarian**

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Professor Dumbledore - Jun 11, 2004 5:37 am (#475 of 983)

Isenduil - Jun 7, 2004 10:17 pm (#468 of 474) I know this was said before but I think the teacher would have to be able to use a normal wizard wand which House Elves are not allowed to use.

But portraits can use wands if they were painted with them, like in the 2nd to last chapter in OotP, where that previous heamaster was threatening Phineas Nigellus with a wand not unlike a birch stick

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Tomoé - Jun 11, 2004 12:33 pm (#476 of 983)

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The second to last chapter? I though it was chapter 22.

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Dumbledore - Jun 11, 2004 1:12 pm (#477 of 983)

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Prefect Marcus: If Snape got the DADA job, who would take potions? Why would Dumbledore lose a superior potions teacher to get a mediocre DADA teacher?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Snape was very good at defense against the dark arts. I have assumed all along that he is. I would like to see him finally get the defense against the dark arts job.

And librarian 314, we have already seen a teacher that was one of James' friends (Lupin) so JKR probably wouldn't do a teacher that was one of Lily's friends simply because it is the same plotline.

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haymoni - Jun 11, 2004 3:57 pm (#478 of 983)

I can't recall if anyone has mentioned this so forgive me: Do we know what Hestia Jones does? I didn't hear her mentioned as an Auror and it seems weird to mention her only once.

Maybe she'll be the DADA teacher.

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librarian314 - Jun 11, 2004 6:56 pm (#479 of 983)

Hey Dumbledore, et al.

I see Lily's friends and being a separate plot line from James'. Primarily because we've heard so much, comparatively about James and from James' side of things. From James' side we've got reports from Snape, Lupin, and Sirius. (All of them biased, mind you ;-) ) Real Mad Eye talks about both of Harry's parents but not in great detail in OotP. For Lily, we've just got Auntie Petunia and so far, what she's said in the books is not complimentary. (Lot's of people comment on Harry having his mum's eyes but that's not exactly the same thing as hearing tales about her youthful indiscretions ;-) )

I think that in the next book that we will learn quite a bit about Lily and the Evanses and to mirror what was done in PoA it may well come from the DADA teacher. We may also get some more info from Petunia, but her info is tainted by her hatred for the wizarding world.

We still need a positive view of Lily. As no one has volunteered one yet, I don't think any of the current characters can do that. Thus I think it will need to be a new character and we are fairly certain that we don't know who the next DADA will be. I think it will be a good way to get that info out.

Take care!

*michelle the librarian**

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aberforth dumbledore's #1 fan - Jun 11, 2004 7:43 pm (#480 of 983)

I think maybe the sorting hat. It is a very intelligent hat, not to mention he lives in the headmaster office so he does pick up on things.

Youre noht elituret frend, Aberforth Dumbledore

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Dumbledore - Jun 13, 2004 4:11 pm (#481 of 983)

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I like the theory...but I don't know if hats can carry wands and perform magic!

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rosi reef - Jun 16, 2004 3:29 am (#482 of 983)

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hello, I'm new here. came a bit late across the Harry Potter books ;-) I wonder if firenze could be the new DADA teacher? he can't go back to his family and two divination teachers would be a bit much??

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Tomoé - Jun 16, 2004 8:39 am (#483 of 983)

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Edited by S.E. Jones Jun 16, 2004 5:13 pm
As for Firenze being the Next DADA teacher, the drawback is that he can't use a wand. Of course, Umbridge didn't need a wand to teach DADA (but that wasn't very effective it seems), and maybe Dumbledore will be able work something with the Ministry or Maybe Firenze will ask Hagrid to make him a umbrella out of a old wand.

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Professor Dumbledore - Jun 16, 2004 5:53 pm (#484 of 983)

Edited by S.E. Jones Jun 16, 2004 6:13 pm
I was rereading the 4th Book, and it hit me. How about a foreign wizard teaching DADA? we naturally wouldn'ty know anything about them, and they wouldn't know about the 'one year curse' and Hogwarts is one of the biggest wizards schools in the world so it's probably pretty popular...

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Isenduil - Jun 16, 2004 11:32 pm (#485 of 983)

I really like your idea Dumbledore, maybe someone Charlie got to join the Order in Romania.

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Kevin Corbett - Jun 25, 2004 4:06 am (#486 of 983)

Probably it'll be somebody new. But, then again, you never know...

I don't see Kingsley taking it up---the Aurors will be needed out in the field for the remainder of the war, I imagine. That probably nixes Tonks too.

Probably not Charlie or Bill, though it is possible. I mean, they're got jobs an all, and they'll probably still be working for the order.

Lupin's a possibility, of course, maybe the most likely of all the previously introduced characters---maybe we'll even find out that DD asked him to come back, but he refused for the sames reasons for which he retired.

I highly doubt Snape. I think the DD's refusal to let him teach DADA is because he thinks over exposure to anything with the word "Dark Arts" in it might make ol' Severus relapse like an ex-alcoholic in a beer factory.

I think one person who hasn't been considered for anything, let alone the DADA position, is Amos Diggory. It's been my opinion for awhile that he will yet again come into the plot, and that he was possibly working for the Order last year without the trio's knowledge. I mean, he has more reason than anyone to work against Voldie, as Ced his first victim upon returning.

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justme - Jun 25, 2004 10:35 am (#487 of 983)

I have to agree with you, Kevin. I can't think of anyone better, except maybe Dumbledore or Moody, to teach DADA. No one else would have the motivation to make sure the students were prepared.

The only possible problem I could see, is whether he would be qualified to teach it.

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Dr Filibuster - Jun 25, 2004 3:22 pm (#488 of 983)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
Amos is certainly an interesting suggestion. I was waiting for him to pop up in OoP.

What do we know about him?

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I Am Used Vlad - Jun 25, 2004 3:52 pm (#489 of 983)

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We know Amos works for the Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures, which doesn't really say much about his ability to teach DADA.

I think it would be interesting to see how he would interact with Harry after reading bad things about Harry for a year and probably questioning the events surrounding Cedric's death.

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haymoni - Jun 25, 2004 8:11 pm (#490 of 983)

I can't imagine Amos wanting to return to the place where his son died. How awful!

Actually, I could see Amos wanting to go after Voldy to avenge Cedric's death. He could be one of casualties of war.

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Seattle Was A Riot - Jun 29, 2004 6:32 pm (#491 of 983)

'Lo all. This is my first post here so, well, hello.

Anyhow, I just wanted to give my theory on the next DADA teacher. It's a pattern of Rowling's to not simply use a character in one book and never hear from them again(we see this with the return of Dobby in GoF and OoP, Lupin in OoP, etc.). So, I think the next DADA teacher will be someone we know but haven't heard from in a book or so. That leads me to 2 theories, the first less likley than the second.

Whoever would be crazy enough to take the job would have to be somewhat bold and brave(Gryffindor traits of course), and probably desperatley need some money. So, theory one is: Oliver Wood. True, we've never seen him show any extensive knowledge in the field, but it certainly can't be easy to make it as a professional quidditch player, so I'm thinking maybe he gets cut, needs a job, is the only one that applies for the DADA job, and therefore gets it. Wood follows the pattern as well, being an old friend of Harry's. I can also see Wood being a likable but rather inept teacher, giving Harry a reason to start up the DA again.

Theory 2 is that the person who took the job, knowing the history, would really have nothing to lose, but something to gain by going to Hogwarts. Ever since the escape of "the insane murderer" Sirius Black, we've been hearing about how safe Hogwarts is. So, an old character, perhaps with teaching experience, who has in an extreme amount of danger and comes to Hogwarts for safety(I'm really quite surprised no one thought of this, it makes me feel smart ^_^)? Karkaroff! Somewhere on nearly every death eater's to-do list has to be "Kill Karkaroff", and he'd be safe at Hogwarts. Or rather, safer. He'd also, of course, be prone to something bad happening to him around the end of the year, opening the void for another teacher.

Of course, then again, I'm probably as usual. Thanks for your time anyways!

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Isenduil - Jun 30, 2004 1:13 am (#492 of 983)

Yes but it seems like Dumbledore didn't really trust Karkaroff in Book 4 and he is also a former Death Eater. And I don't think Dumbledore would want to further endanger his students.

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haymoni - Jun 30, 2004 5:38 am (#493 of 983)

I want to see the Return of the Werewolf.

However, I still wonder why we were introduced to Hestia Jones in OotP.

Might be nice to see a female DADA teacher that actually knows what she's doing.

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Professor Dumbledore - Jun 30, 2004 6:59 pm (#494 of 983)

We were introduced to a lot of people in OotP, I think Hestia Jones was just one of those people that was mentioned in passing. I think the DADA teacher will either be someonewho is foreign (like my last post) or someone that was mentioned in passing and wasn't paid much attention. Like Arnold Peasgood or something. We know nothing about him. It was the same with Luna Lovegodd, her family was mentioned in passing in GoF, and look how important a character she came out.

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koala marpusial - Jun 30, 2004 8:23 pm (#495 of 983)

are you from new zealand?
Somehow I don't see JKR's characterization of Bill as pertinent to DADA. His qualifications are not really fully known, since curse-breaking is just one small part of DADA. If it is a character we are already introduced to, then I think it is probably going to be someone who we KNOW has fought the dark arts in real life.

-- could it be possible that the HBP and DADA teacher are one?

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Muggle Doctor - Jul 5, 2004 12:34 am (#496 of 983)

You have all overlooked one possibility: Minerva McGonagall.

Recall that she swore to Umbridge that she would help Harry become an Auror no matter what.

How, unless she already knew all the necessary skills backwards?

I am sure that someone could be found to fill her current teaching responsibilities (transfiguration, if I recall).

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mrweasley - Jul 5, 2004 4:55 am (#497 of 983)

I just reread OotP, and I'm rather convinced now that Snape will finally get the job.

The most important clue indicating that is Harry's careers advice (chapter 29), and McGonagall saying that "poisons and antidotes are essential study for Aurors. And I must tell you that Professor Snape absolutely refuses to take students who get anything other than "Outstanding" in their OWLs ...".

I think we can be positive that Harry didn't get the required "O". On the other hand, I'm also sure that JKR is planning to let Harry go towards a NEWT that would qualify for an Auror career.

So... the only way this could work would be - a new Potions teacher who also admits students into his NEWTS classes that had only an "A" or maybe "E" in their owls.

My guess, therefore, is that we'll get a new Potions master, and Snape will take over the vacant DADA job.

It would make a very neat story line, too, forcing Harry and Snape to "compete" at highest level (both talented at DADA), and at the same time having to co-operate within the Order, now that the Second War has begun.

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Leila 2X4B - Jul 5, 2004 7:37 am (#498 of 983)

I'd be smegged off. I'd be mad as hell, man. If some git in a white coat designed me to croak just so that he could sell his new android with go-faster stripes.
MrWeasley, good thought. I am sure that Snape will be the DADA teacher in either 6 or 7. It would be the best choice, in my opinion, to build tension. Snape would also be a competent teacher, rare in that position. It would also give Neville, Harry, etc, a chance to actually learn potions.

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Diagon Nilly - Jul 5, 2004 8:37 am (#499 of 983)

I'd love to see Snape get the job, and then mess up his chance somehow. JKR said that Dumbledore wouldn't give Snape the job because it would bring out the worst him. I want to see the worst in Snape...I just wonder what "the worst" is.

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strix - Jul 5, 2004 1:39 pm (#500 of 983)

Don't forget: So far all DADA-teachers have met with bad ends. They have: Been killed/gone mad/resigned in disgrace/kissed by dementor/chased off in disgrace. I'm horribly afraid that if Sanpe were to become DADA-teacher at last, a similar fate would be in store for him. And I'd much rather keep him...

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Who will be the next DADA Teacher (Post 501 to 550)

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timrew - Jul 5, 2004 3:19 pm (#501 of 983)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Well, how about Doris Crockford? JKR doesn't introduce characters for nothing; and she hasn't been mentioned since book 1.

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mrweasley - Jul 5, 2004 11:42 pm (#502 of 983)

Somehow I have the feeling that if Snape does become the new DADA teacher, he'll be staying.

JKR was asked in an interview (World Book Day?)whether she would stick to the pattern of a new DADA with every book - and her answer was very ambiguous. Maybe she thinks it's time to break it up.

We are inclined to expect the introduction of a new character as a DADA teacher who will eventually fail and be placed - because that's what has happened in every single book so far. To me, that sounds like a good enough reason for JKR to smash these expectations.

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Muggle Doctor - Jul 6, 2004 12:31 am (#503 of 983)

What we must also remember is the following:

1 ) Snape hates nobody as much as he hates Harry (for reasons we all know), Neville (See the Neville thread for theories), Hermione (because she actually DOES know it all) and Gryffindors in general.

2 ) Snape has set and marked potions for this group every year since their first EXCEPT...

3 ) Fifth year, which is independently (or at least externally) assessed for the OWLs.

NOW there comes the problem for Snape about how he will reconcile his miserable assessments of Harry, Neville et al. with (I am just guessing here) the somewhat more competent performance of the above when assessed by external examiners (who might be scary enough under the circumstances AS EXAMINERS, but who do not have a personal vendetta against the student in question). I have a sneaky feeling that the OWL marks for potions may be scaled up if the Board of Examiners sees fit to do a little digging. In addition, Snape's enmity towards some of his students, and the way it is reflected in his teaching, may disqualify him for the potions post (or any post, for that matter).

While we are on that topic: Umbridge, of course, is facing an even worse problem - the issues that surround Snape's terrible assessment of his most loathed students are magnified a billion-fold for her, especially since her removal means that word will get to the parents regarding exactly how their children were treated that year. She has two options now: join Voldemort's side openly, or go to Azkaban for life - for what that's worth now.

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rosi reef - Jul 6, 2004 5:53 am (#504 of 983)

If Snape can choose his students for his NEWT Potions Class, could he do the same with the DADA Class, when he becomes the new teacher? Of course we don't know Harry's grades now, maybe he has an Outstanding in DADA, but if not it would be worse for him, if Snape gets the job.

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Diagon Nilly - Jul 6, 2004 7:26 am (#505 of 983)

Edited by Jul 6, 2004 7:27 am
Is DADA required after 5th year or elective? I always thought it was still required...

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rosi reef - Jul 6, 2004 9:14 am (#506 of 983)

I don't know if it's required. But with Voldemort around again, it should be.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 6, 2004 3:50 pm (#507 of 983)

Here are some possible candidates for the DADA position in Books 6 and 7.

Candidate 1: Andromeda Tonks: A formidable witch who lacks the pretensions of her sisters. The evidence of her formidable stature can be inferred from the fact that she is able to withstand the pressure exerted on her by her sister Bellatrix who exhibits either psycho or sociopathic tendencies as well as propensity for various forms of sadism.

Candidate 2: Emmeline Vance: Emmeline Vance is trusted by Dumbledore and was a member of the Original Order of the Phoenix.

Candidate 3: Hestia Jones: Hestia Jones is a member of the Order and is trusted by Dumbledore.

Candidate 4: Alastor Moody: A retired Auror with major experience in catching Death Eaters. The most senior of the Magical Law Enforcement personnel involved directly with the order.

Candidate 5: Sturgis Podmore: A close friend of Dumbledore from an ancient family. Only member of the Order besides Sirius to be incarcerated in Azkaban. Also, the only member of the Order knoen to have nbeen subjected to the Imperius Curse

Candidate 6: Remus Lupin: A former DADA instructor at Hogwarts. As a longg standing member of the Order he has extensive experience in combatting Dark Arts.

Candidate 7: Amelia Bones: As the head of Magical Law Enforcement she is and extremely powerful witch with close ties to the Order.

Candidate 8: Griselda Marchbanks: A powerful albeit aged witch who has been a friend of both Dumbledore and Gran Longbottom for many years.

Candidate 9: Tiberius Ogden: A close friend and supporter of Albus Dumbledore and a member of the Wizengamot

Candidate 10 Daedulus Diggle: A friend of Dumbledore and one of four members of the Advance Guard who were members of the Order during the first war with Voldemort.

Candidate 11: The Ghost of Sirius Black: After all Professor Binns is a ghost. So it maybe possible that Sirius could reappear as a ghost to teach DADA.

Candidate 12: Kingsley Shacklebolt: An auror with extensive experience. Also, he has had battle experience with the signle most formidable Death Eater Bellatrix Black Lestrange.

Best Regards, Nathan

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Cuivienen - Jul 6, 2004 4:24 pm (#508 of 983)

Of those, I think we can likely toss the minor Order members (Emmeline, Hestia, Dedalus and Sturgis). They'll be too busy doing actual fighting.

Moody might *come back*, but I doubt it, as he seems more devoted to actually fighting than teaching others to fight.

Lupin is also unlikely to return, as I don't think the general wizarding community would support a werewolf teacher any more than previously -- a werewolf is more likely to support Voldemort, yes? (Thinking like Average-Joe-Wizard)

Amelia Bones seems to be a very important politician for Dumbledore and the Order of the Phoenix, as she gives them some leverage in the MoM. I think she's best placed at the MoM, perhaps as the next Minister. I also doubt that such a powerful woman would suddenly give everything up and go teach.

Tiberius Ogden -- if it's going to be a previously known character, it won't be one so obscure.

As Nearly Headless Nick said, very few dead wizards become ghosts, and Sirius doesn't seem like the type to cling to life. In any case, falling through the Veil is a different sort of death than normal that, I think, gives very little (read: no) chance of reemergence as a ghost.

That leaves us with two possibilities, Griselda Marchbanks and Andromeda Black Tonks. I would prefer Griselda Marchbanks if the decision is only between those two, but new characters can always appear. Also in support of Madam Marchbanks -- she's out of a job after resigning from the Wizengamot in protest.

EDIT: Left out Shacklebolt. He probably falls under the first lump of OotP members, though.

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S.E. Jones - Jul 7, 2004 1:40 am (#509 of 983)

Let it snow!
I don't know if we can toss the lesser known Order members so easily. Being that all the other DADA teachers have been new characters, she may use one of them (who we know by name but don't really know). She still would then have book 7 to brake her pattern and have the person stay or an old teacher come back, making a recurring DADA teacher in book 7 instead of someone new.

I, however, still feel it will be someone not yet introduced....

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Gemini12602 - Jul 7, 2004 5:22 pm (#510 of 983)

I haven't been able to read all the way through this thread, but one person mentioned awhile ago that there were "5 teachers in 5 years". Do we know for a fact that Quirrell only lasted one year? I mean it would still work because in 5 years there were 5 teachers, but had he been teaching there longer? Percy already knows who Quirrell is and said that Snape had been after Quirrells job (I believe the movie said "after Quirrells job for years). I don't think its important to the plot, but I am just curious :-D

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S.E. Jones - Jul 7, 2004 8:12 pm (#511 of 983)

Let it snow!
Quirrell had come back from hiatus in PS. He was away getting "hands-on" experience with the Dark Arts (more so than he realised when he left) the previous year and we don't know how long before that. He had taught at Hogwarts prior to PS, though. Does that answer your question?

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Hollywand - Jul 7, 2004 8:45 pm (#512 of 983)

Gryffindor
I'm thinking Dumbledore will give the DADA post to Professor Snape. As the saying goes, the best defense attorney is one who has just acted as a prosecutor on the topic in question. Dumbledore realizes at the close of The Order of the Phoenix that hiding people, witholding information does not save them, no matter how much you may care for them, as was the case with Sirus, Harry and Severus. Harry and Severus underwent a subtle change of heart and perspective in their Occlumency lesson, and I think it was Dumbledore's intention to build their compassion and connection for each other. It is his task to unite the houses, or they will all fail. Severus is a crucible figure for Dumbledore. With Voldemort returned, I believe is "the one DE that has, I believe, left us forever." And will teach our young wizards how to knock the stuffing out of You-Know-Who.

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Gemini12602 - Jul 7, 2004 8:49 pm (#513 of 983)

S.E. that does answer my question. I wonder who filled in that year, and why they haven't been asked back? hmmmm... Maybe this will be the new DADA teacher!!!!!

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drippan - Jul 10, 2004 9:59 pm (#514 of 983)

This is my first time posting so be patient with me.

I think Snape has enough on his plate. Nobody except JKR knows what he's doing for the Order. I am speculating that he is spying for the OotP but there is no proof. Throughout the OotP, all his activities is kept very, very secret.

He has proven himself to be great at potions but what have we seen of his combat skills.

1. He got knocked out by HRH in the Shrieking Shack. 2. He got bit by Fluffy 3. He backs off of every encounter with Lupin and Mad Eye. 4. He did win one battle but I think my 84 year old mom could have kicked Lockhart's butt!

I think Snape makes a better spy (sneak) than anything. Look at how many times he threatens to use poison on one of the students and also his use of the "truth" potion. All the ways of a spy.

Now most of what is said is guessing on every ones part.

Here is what I would like to see:

A female DADA who knew Lily. It would bring Lily's story into the picture but also show the strengths of witches not just wizards.

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Madame Kulich - Jul 11, 2004 7:57 am (#515 of 983)

I think the DADA teacher will be Ferenzie (SP?)

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schoff - Jul 11, 2004 12:08 pm (#516 of 983)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I really hope it's the real Mad-Eye.

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Gemini12602 - Jul 11, 2004 10:04 pm (#517 of 983)

I think its possible for it to be the real Mad-Eye or Tonks because they both recieved pretty good injuries at the end of OotP... so maybe one of them will need a good bit of time to recover, and teach at Hogwarts :0)

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Gemini12602 - Jul 11, 2004 10:59 pm (#518 of 983)

I just came up with a theory based on Snapes Puzzle and the DADA teachers. Take a look at it here...

Gemini12602 "Snapes Riddle and DADA Teachers" 7/11/04 10:45pm

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Aeoliano - Jul 12, 2004 6:20 pm (#519 of 983)

Piero da Lerici
JkR seems to "mirror" the real world shaping it in her own unique way using these whimsical characters and metaphors... so.. that said.. ( unless of course the original arc from years ago had already determined this ... ) ... it may end up being Percy Weasley.

The MoM is not going to give up have some modicum of control over Hogwarts.. or at least give up having a "spy" to keep track of everything that is going on there... after all Hogswart is key to any defense against Voldemort. So, I think it may be Percy Weasley... and it may bring about his demise...

-- A.

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Gemini12602 - Jul 12, 2004 6:53 pm (#520 of 983)

That is a good possibility Aeoliano, but I also think Dumbledore will do is best to make sure a competent teacher is in place... not saying Percy won't be since he is very smart, but he would be too much like Umbridge... Study the theory!!!

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Kieran Burke - Jul 16, 2004 9:40 am (#521 of 983)

I agree, plus I doubt that the MoM is going to try to interfere with Hogwarts now that DD and Harry have been proven to be telling the truth about old Voldy. I'd like to see more of the real Moody or Tonks, (by the way there isn't even a forum dedicated to Moody! Which I will be rectifying after I've made this post!) Whoever it is I think that DD will insure that this time its a more competent teacher than the last two. Crouch Jr actually seemed to be quite a good teacher to me but he was trying to kill Harry so...(by the way read the chapter in GoF where he is teaching about the 3 unforgivable curses, its really creepy reading it after you know what he really is!!) and as for Umbridge, well I don't think I need to say anything about her! So I think it will be an auror or at least someone who is very good at DADA in general, I suspect it will be someone close to DD and/or the order.

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THE HAND OF GLORY - Jul 16, 2004 12:18 pm (#522 of 983)

I have a question... Is it impossible for Headmasters to teach lessons? In Book 2, McGonagall took over as headmistress and still taught her classes when Dumbledore was forced to leave by Malfoy and the other school governors. Is there any chance that Dumbledore could teach Defense Against the Dark Arts, thus ensuring that the children have the best possible teacher? Is that even a possibility? Even if it is a possibility, I wonder if he would have enough time to do this, being the head of the order and such. Well,I guess those were my thoughts on that subject... Smile

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Gemini12602 - Jul 16, 2004 12:20 pm (#523 of 983)

Also Umbridge made herself Headmistriss and still taught... so it think it may be possible.

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Heikell - Jul 16, 2004 8:14 pm (#524 of 983)

This is a very mysterious thing as there might be a whole new character. I think that it might be Albus Dumbledore's brother since nothing bad has happened to him. I also think Harry will continue the DA club and it might be a slight possibility that he teaches the class along with the old DA crew alot and alot of more students.

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Chris. - Jul 16, 2004 8:17 pm (#525 of 983)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
I don't think it will be Dumbledore or Harry. They will much too busy with the war, and Harry is not ready to take on the responsibility of being a teacher.

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Gemini12602 - Jul 16, 2004 8:43 pm (#526 of 983)

I do hope the DA conintues.

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Heikell - Jul 16, 2004 9:58 pm (#527 of 983)

Edited by S.E. Jones Jul 17, 2004 1:28 am
I said dumbledores brother.

->Heikell, your post was in italics because you didn't initially capitalize the starting 'i'. The keep this from happening, always capitalize a lone 'I' in your post.<- SE Jones

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Chris. - Jul 17, 2004 8:46 am (#528 of 983)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Yes, Heikell, I understand that, but there was past posts concerning Dumbledore being the next DADA teacher, and I was putting my point across.

I don't think Aberforth, Dumbledore's brother, will get the job. I, personally, think he is the barman of the Hogs Head in Hogsmeade, so I think he's too busy there.

Would it be too coincidental if one of Lily's friends turn up as the DADA teacher, like Lupin in PA?

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haymoni - Jul 17, 2004 11:13 am (#529 of 983)

That was why I wanted to know more about Hestia Jones - seemed strange we only saw her once - either she knew Lily well and could be the next DADA teacher or she's a goner.

THE HAND OF GLORY - Jul 17, 2004 11:36 am (#530 of 983)[/b]
Hestia Jones... Yes all the people I have talked to about the books off-line seem to think that she might be the key to Lily's past. The more I hear about her being a possible pick for the DADA position the more it seems to make sense. After all, she could reveal facts about Lily and her family, thus bringing Harry's grandparents into the story as hinted at. Yes, she does seem one of many possible candidates for the job, and I await to find out if she is , indeed, the winning candidate for the job in Book 6.

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Julia. - Jul 17, 2004 9:29 pm (#531 of 983)

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All this talk about Hestia Jones. What about Emiline Vance? Any chance of her truning up again?

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S.E. Jones - Jul 17, 2004 9:37 pm (#532 of 983)

Let it snow!
I'd say Emmeline Vance is a good guess, especially if we're looking for a character that could've known Lily. Vance was listed as being in the Order back in the 70's with James and Lily and may have known them outside of the Order. Hestia Jones wasn't in the Order last time and so may or may not have known Lily....

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 18, 2004 7:03 pm (#533 of 983)

I think it might be Emmeline Vance for two reasons. First, Albus Dumbledore and Alastor Moody trust her enough to include her in the Advance Guard. Second, she has the experience that comes from being involved in the first war with Voldemort.

Best Regards, Nathan

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The real Kingsley - Jul 20, 2004 6:25 pm (#534 of 983)

DADA teacher '86
I have the esoteric knowledge of the DADA teacher's identity for Harry's sixth year and seventh. I guess you could have say I have the sight, but in no way am I using my Inner Eye, this is a real prediction.

THE SIXTH YEAR HARRY POTTER AND ALL OF HOGWARTS WILL BE TAUGHT DEFENSE AGAINST THE DARK ARTS BY SEVERUS S...wait, that'll give it away... S. SNAPE. IN HIS SEVENTH YEAR, HE WILL BE TAUGHT BY A HIPPOCAMPUS, I MEAN A WEREWOLF!!!

Allow me to elaborate. [It is important to note that Ms. Rowling has two consistencies for the DADA class that are begging to be challenged: 1)Snape has never taught it 2)no DADA teacher has taught it for more than one year.] Harry must take N.E.W.T. classes of Potions if he realistically wants to be an Auror. With that knowledge that Snape won't admit any students into his N.E.W.T. classes with anything but an 'Outstanding' one their Potions O.W.L., we know that Harry's chances of getting into his class is slim to none. Harry has never once shown that he could earn an "Outstanding" in any class other than DADA. We all know that Ms. Rowling says in OP that Harry performed much better in his Potions O.W.L. with the absence of Snape...wink wink nudge nudge...he passed his O.W.L.! Now Ms. Rowling wouldn't have built up that Auror thing over two books just to let him fall short of his goal because of his lack of academic achievement. What kind of message would that send?...maybe a real good one, but that's besides the point. So here is what Ms. Rowling will do: Harry will get an 'Acceptable' on his Potions O.W.L., Harry will take N.E.W.T. Potions because Snape will be given his dream job, professor of DADA. I'm not sure who'll teach Potions though. Probably someone new who'll befriend Harry, then turn on him in the end in a most Moody-manner. Consistency #1 has been challenged. For some reason, whether death, call of duty or imprisonment(highly unlikely), Snape will succumb to consistency #2. Who will be the champion of consistency #2 then? None other than the beloved R. J. Lupin. What's my logic behind this theory you ask? So far he's the only DADA teacher who taught Harry that with respectable teaching ability that isn't "dead". He'll also be able to help Harry hone his skills to prepare for the imminent showdown with Voldemort. Can't wait for the books to come out and see if these predictions will hold try or Dumbledore won't be offering the raise in my salary that he promised. So there you have it. Agree or disagree with me? Try me! Post your thoughts, cuse i'd like to hear what you guys think. And remember: *Canon is Key*

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S.E. Jones - Jul 20, 2004 6:58 pm (#535 of 983)

Let it snow!
Yes, canon is key. Lupin says in PoA that parents won't want a werewolf teaching their children and I can't see that changing, especially not know that they have to worry about Voldemort and DEs too.

I've heard the suggestion that Dumbledore and McGonagall (most particularly McGonagall) might pull something to get Harry into NEWT level Potions. Some suggested that if, perhaps, Draco didn't do very well in his Transfiguration OWL, McGonagall might agree to allow him into her classes provided Snape allow Potter into his. I've also heard the suggestion that maybe there is a Slytherin (Crabbe or Goyle perhaps, I somehow doubt it would be Draco) who wouldn't quite be able to get O in his Potions OWL, thus requiring Snape to lower his admit level to allow the student in, and McGonagall will push him to then allow in all students with that grade wishing to take NEWT level Potions (which might include Harry)....

As for DADA teacher, I somehow find it far more likely that JKR will follow her pattern and introduce a new character in that role in Book 6 and then break the pattern in Book 7 by having the character stay.....

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haymoni - Jul 20, 2004 7:08 pm (#536 of 983)

McGonagall says she will do whatever it takes to make sure that Harry is an Auror.

Perhaps "Remedial Potions" with Minerva will be necessary.

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contess lillein asend - Jul 21, 2004 3:32 pm (#537 of 983)

If we go by the 7 potions test, 6th is nettle wine (no danger) and 7 will be take you back (Lupin?). So, can Snape really be the sixth? No Danger? I do think Lockhart will be back in some form to get the Cure for Lupin (yes it was a true story), then he can teach in 7.

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Crookshanks - Jul 23, 2004 6:05 am (#538 of 983)

Edited by Jul 23, 2004 6:12 am
One point that's been missed - DADA is to be taught for all classes from 1st to 7th year...

And now,I have counter-arguments for some suggestions -

1) Podmore - He couldn't throw of Malfoy's imperious curse while Harry could throw off Voldie's.Not him !! And one doesn't need to be at Azkaban to get a DADA job....

2) Fleur - couldn't even fight Grindylows, forget DEs.

3) Krum - I think he himself is a DE.Even if not so,Harry is better than Krum as Krum himself has supposedly told Hermione.

4) Tonks, Hestia Jones & Emmeline Vance - It's more important for OoP members to be outside hunting DEs than to teach DADA to students at Hogwarts right from 1st year to 7th year.If they did, what about their OoP work ? And Harry can get to know about Lily through some other route,may be Lupin (Ref : Lupin's remarks about Lily in the PoA movie).So,it doesn't have to be a friend of Lily.

5) Karkaroff - He would do very well by teaching DADA at Durmstrang.

6) DD - He's too old for this much of responsibility. Don't expect a wizard of his calibre to teach students fight grindylows,kappas,pixies & boggarts or to recognize werewolves or correct their homework.

7) McG - Just as above.

Cool Lupin - There'll be owl droppings for breakfast if the 'werewolf' gets back again.

9) Tofty,Marsh,Ogden (or whoever it is)... - they seem to be good as examiners. Otherwise, they would've been Aurors.

10) Shacklebolt,Moody,the real one - They are too invaluable for the order to waste away at school.

11) Bill - Curse-breaking at Gringotts,as far as I remember,needs more Arithmancy than DADA. Also,he's gotta be the OoP staff there. He also lacks experience.

12) Charlie - The OoP can't lose a rep in Romania just for the post of teaching DADA to kids at some school.Moreover,from what we heard, Charlie's role in OoP is to woo wizards abroad to join the Anti-Voldemort group.He otherwise looks after Dragons.So,if Charlie could teach DADA,so could Hagrid !!!

13) Ministry Aurors - Dawlish,Williamson etc.. - Now that the ministry knows that Voldemort is back,it wouldn't let go of its aurors,would it ?

That's the list so far I presume (leaving Sirius's ghost & others who've already been chucked out of the list...)

DD would want a guy who KNOWS DADA & not just any novice.He senses danger to Hogwarts for sure & so....

That leaves us with SNAPE.

Someone had written that Dark Arts & DADA are different. C'mon, you need to know a disease to treat it. What if a DE turns up & does some wand movement & you don't no what curse he is using ? (Eg-Antonin Dolohov on Hermione in DoM).A knowledge of Dark Arts certainly helps fighting better in my opinion.May be there are spells in Dark Arts whose defence also exists only in Dark Arts & don't form a part of the DADA curriculum.

I would love SNAPE to be the DADA prof. Who knows, may be he'd jinxed the DADA post in his grudge against not being able to get it in the hope that at some finite point of time in future,when each of the DADA profs faced catastrophes, he could get it from DD ? And now if he gets it,he's going to remove the jinx. If DD can take Snape into the Order, if DD can have Snape teach Harry Occlumency, it is then no harm to have him to the DADA job,if someone's worried about the security of the students.

As far as Harry's misery is concerned if Snape gets the DADA post,I think it's not easy for Snape to give him zeroes here.He could utmost dock points.Harry's far better at DADA than at Potions.There's going to be a nice clash of titans in every DADA class.What's more,without Snape taking Potions,Harry's going to do better there & could get an O in his NEWTs too !!

As far as Snape's competence at DADA is concerned, DD wouldn't have Snape spy on Voldie's activites at Snape's risk if he weren't competent enough to fight Voldie himself, let alone DEs. Snape may know Occlumency but Voldie's a far powerful wizard than Snape & it couldn't have been impossible for him to break into Snape's memory, but the fact that Snape is still safe & sound from DEs like Lucius & Co. shows that he IS good at DADA. MAy be we'll also get to know the reason DD trusts Snape & why Snape didn't get the DADA job earlier.

With Respect to someone's 'ex-alcoholic getting into a bar' theory, Snape wouldn't have left Voldie if he still wanted to practise Dark Arts.Snape is ruthless;we all know that.There is SOME reason why he joined DD, which we'll hopefully know in HBP & if he wanted to teach Dark Arts,he could've gone to Durmstrang as a prof.For what we know,Snape's never been to Azkaban, has he ?

At a moment when Voldemort & his DEs are ready to strike, I certainly feel DD doesn't mind having a mediocre Potions prof & an excellent DADA prof.

And ha... who was Lockhart's assistant in the duelling club ? Snape ... I really like this guy ....

I'm betting 8 galleons 12 sickles & 4 knuts on Snape. Still open to arguments, nevertheless.... & sorry for the length,couldn't cut it down despite earnest efforts.

PS: Did anyone think about Dung teaching DADA ? The first lesson would be probably using magic to steal cauldrons. Or Vernon ? Nagging the DEs to death ? Is that what DD was taking about to Voldie as being worse than death ??

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Julia. - Jul 23, 2004 8:38 am (#539 of 983)

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You forgot one thing Crookshanks. It could always be someone we haven't met before. Personally, my money's on that option. Also, are you sure that every one, years one through seven has to take DADA? If they don't do well in their OWL on the subject, can't they drop it?

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ex-FAHgeek - Jul 23, 2004 8:49 am (#540 of 983)

---quote--- If they don't do well in their OWL on the subject, can't they drop it? ---end quote---

Yes, they can drop it, just like with Potions, History of Magic, and all the other required classes from years 1-5.

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Julia. - Jul 23, 2004 8:57 am (#541 of 983)

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That's what I thought, I just wanted to point it out to make sure everyone else kept it in mind.

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Weeny Owl - Jul 23, 2004 9:45 am (#542 of 983)

JACKSON LONG: Professor Snape has always wanted to be Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher. In book five he doesn't get the job. Why doesn't Professor Dumbledore let him be the DADA teacher?

JK Rowling: That is an excellent question and the reason is… I have to be careful… not to say too much. However, when Professor Dumbledore took Professor Snape onto the staff and Professor Snape said he'd like to teach Defence Against the Dark Arts please and Professor Dumbledore felt that it might bring out the worst in Professor Snape, so Dumbledore said: "I think we'll let you teach potions and see how you get along there."

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That doesn't mean Snape will never get the job, but it doesn't seem too likely.

I'm going with the theory that McGonagall will have an impact somehow in Harry's Potions class, whether she teaches him herself, or finds someone to tutor him, or bribes (blackmails?) Snape into taking him.

While Order members may have important things to do in hunting down rumors, gathering intelligence, etc., students knowing how to defend themselves is just as important. I think it would be wonderful if Mad-Eye Moody returned and actually taught the class as himself this time. It would bring some security to our trio since they already know the real Moody now from Order meetings. He was injured in the Department of Mysteries battle, and having something important to do for the Order as well as having a place to recuperate would be good for him. Lastly, it would be hilarious to see the look on Draco's face when he and Moody meet for the first time.

Other than Moody, I'd love to see Bill Weasley as the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher, but I doubt that will happen.

There are many characters we've met who seemed to be no one (Sirius Black in the first book, for instance), but who ended up with important roles. Likewise, we've met characters who seemed incredibly important but who aren't, such as Mark Evans. Someone we've met briefly, such as the Advance Guard, could easily be the teacher, or JKR could continue with tradition and introduce someone new.

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Prefect Marcus - Jul 23, 2004 9:49 am (#543 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
I'm inclined to go with Julia on this. Not one of the previous DADA teachers have been introduced before the books. On the other hand, we learned about them before School started.

Book #1: Met Quirrell in the Leaky Cauldron. Book #2: Learned of Lockhart's books at the Burrow and met him later at the bookstore. Book #3: Met Lupin on the train. Book #4: Learned about Mad-eye Moody at the Burrow just before leaving for the train. Book #5: Met Umbridge at the hearing.

So if Rowling stays consistent, the new DADA teacher will be someone we've never met before, but we will learn of them before the school year starts.

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Hollywand - Jul 23, 2004 9:41 pm (#544 of 983)

Gryffindor
My money is with Crookshanks' arguments about Snape. The anticipation has been building for five books on Snape's ambiguous character and desire for the DADA position.

I think Dumbledore has refrained from giving Severus the position so he could observe him for a few years. Now that Voldemort is fully recovered, Hogwarts can't afford to have someone who will botch the job.

I also think that the Occlumency lessons gave Harry and Snape a compassion not immediately apparent, but will perhaps blossom in the next book. Snape will teach Harry things no other Dark Arts professor could, and they may stray into some very uncomfortable territory for both of them. Wouldn't that be intriguing; they both step very close to the dark side and have to resolve to step back from the abyss. Snape has shown genuine interest in Harry's snakier side, so they have more connection now than ever.

I'd love to see Neville help Harry pass his potions. I'd love to see his character get stronger and stronger.

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mrweasley - Jul 24, 2004 1:37 am (#545 of 983)

I'm with you, Hollywand. The Occlumency lessons also revealed many parallels between Harry's and Snape's childhood experiences, which involved living in family situations that didn't support them at all. I think the fact that both of them know some of the humiliating aspects of the other's past, could have established a bond between them - not a strong one yet, but something to start with.

Somehow I imagine a scene in the 6th book, in the Great Hall, where we see a new teacher at the table, and everyone thinks it's the new DADA teacher, until DD introduces him as the new Potions teacher, following the announcement that Snape will teach DADA from now on...

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Hollywand - Jul 24, 2004 6:34 am (#546 of 983)

Gryffindor
Great image, Mr. Weasley. The shock, the horror, the burning glances....

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S.E. Jones - Jul 24, 2004 2:48 pm (#547 of 983)

Let it snow!
It's more important for OoP members to be outside hunting DEs than to teach DADA to students at Hogwarts right from 1st year to 7th year

I don't think this statement is entirely true. I mean the boy the Order's work really hinges on (Harry) will be at school, between those 1st and 7th years. He needs to learn and he needs to learn now. I'd think Dumbledore would be willing to spare an Order member to help him keep an eye on Harry and to help prepare Harry for what's coming. That would be the easiest if he had an Order member in the DADA position, because who would raise an eyebrow if Harry were getting help with homework or whatever from a teacher? He did it with Snape (we saw what a spectacular failure that was), so he could do it with someone else, but it would have to be someone he trust deeply (i.e. possibly an Order member, particularly one from the old Order as well as the new one).

As to Snape's credentials, can he effectively teach DADA? He got the information wrong concerning where Kappa's are from. Yes, he has a lot of experience with the Dark Arts, but how much experience has he had with Defenses against the Dark Arts?

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mrweasley - Jul 24, 2004 3:44 pm (#548 of 983)

Well, there are some points that would suggest Snape having the right knowledge and experience, aren't there?

In GoF (ch. 27), Sirius tells us that "Snape's always been fascinated by the Dark Arts, he was famous for it at school. [...]. Snape knew more curses when he arrived at school than half the kids in seventh year [...]."

Also we know that he's been a Death Eater, so apart from DADA he must know enough about performing the Dark Arts as well, which does come in handy when you're teaching how to defend them, right?

And now he's obviously playing a key role in the Order. We know about his Occlumency abilities, too.

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Luke E.A. Lockhart - Jul 24, 2004 4:22 pm (#549 of 983)

I don't really think there's a difference between the Dark Arts and Defense Against the Dark Arts class as far as knowledge is concerned - or at least if you know Dark Arts, you'll know the defenses against them. Not neccesarily the other way around. Besides, people often call DADA just Dark Arts class in the books. My guess is Snape would be very qualified. He may just not know a lot about monsters - and monsters don't seem to be that important, anyway.

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S.E. Jones - Jul 24, 2004 5:42 pm (#550 of 983)

Let it snow!
Well, you certainly would have to know something about what you are defending against. But, the one time we saw Snape taking the DADA class, he got some information wrong (Kappa's being from wherever he said), so the question I'm asking is, does he know the defense part?

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Hollywand - Jul 24, 2004 5:48 pm (#551 of 983)
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Great points about Snape's qualifications in curses, and the thin blue line between DADA and DA practice. To apply this to some patterns in the series, emotion and intuition often take precedent over literal knowledge, especially in key battle sequences. In this sense, Snape is able to think and feel like a Death Eater, which none of the other members of the Order can do, including Dumbledore. Yikes. As a strategist, he will be very good at second guessing Voldy. Gosh, Harry may become a mental conduit between Snape and Voldy. Yikes on bikes.

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mrweasley - Jul 25, 2004 2:25 am (#552 of 983)

S. E. Jones, I think that your statement about Snape's incompetence regarding dark magical beasts is probably true - there are no hints that suggest him being experienced in this field, anyway.

But as Luke said, the importance of DADA is greater than ever because the Second War has begun - and the defence that is relevant here is all about blocking curses etc. and I guess that in this area Snape would qualify as a competent and experienced person - with more background information about the enemy than anybody else.

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S.E. Jones - Jul 25, 2004 3:12 am (#553 of 983)

Let it snow!
Oh? More experienced than say, an Auror or Order member who fought against the DEs during the first war? An Order member would have most of the same background and was actually doing the fighting against the Dark Arts. I'd say that one or the other might be better suited to being the DADA teacher. It's one thing to be a DE and another to fight one. Harry made such a good "teacher" for the DA because he'd actually fought Voldemort at one point, not because he'd been a DE. I'd think the same would apply to the DADA teacher. You'd want someone experienced in the counter-curses, not the curses themselves.

My point about the creatures was that if he is lacking knowledge there, he could be lacking knowledge in other areas of DADA.....

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mrweasley - Jul 25, 2004 3:40 am (#554 of 983)

Members of the first Order would definitely qualify, yes. I guess what I wanted to point out with my last sentence is that... let me think... that what makes Snape exceptional is that he is the only one who has been involved in both sides.

He has the "inside knowledge" that could be crucial when it comes to anticipating and maybe even predicting what curses DE's would be using in what situations - in other words: Which spells and counter-curses should have the highest priority. No?

But I guess you're right, S. E. that Snape has not been seen much at "practicing" defensive spells. Since his involvement in the present Order is so secretive, we can't really know whether it requires actual competence in DADA.

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DJ Evans - Jul 25, 2004 9:13 am (#555 of 983)

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Sorry if this was brought up before. But regarding Snape's qualifications for DADA teacher, I'm just wondering if Snape himself even feels he is qualified now? What I'm getting at, wonder if back when Snape came on board to teach at Hogwarts if DD & him didn't have a simple conversation, such as:

DD: "Well, Severus, what position are you interested in?"
Snape: "With my background in Dark Arts, I think I would be good in DADA"
DD: "Hmmmm, I don't know Severus, I personally can see you excelling in Potions. Why don't you give Potions a try and if that doesn't work out, then we'll see about DADA?"

From that, I very well can see some student overhearing/finding out that Snape wanted DADA & then the rumors started "and" are still going strong. IMO, I think Snape is very happy as the Potions teacher--heck he is more than just the teacher of Potions--"He is the MASTER of Potions!!!!" And I think Snape takes pride in that distinction.

I can see it being someone in the Order for the new DADA teacher for Harry's sixth year. SIXTH year? My stars, where has the time gone? It just seems like yesterday that our dear little Harry Potter was in his 1st year at Hogwarts!!!!

Later, Deb

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Kieran Burke - Jul 25, 2004 10:01 am (#556 of 983)

I don't think its possible that Snape could be allowed to become DADA teacher. Think about it for a moment, DD wouldn't even let him teach DADA when the alternative was to have the ministry supply a teacher who DD must have known would basically just try and bring Hogwarts under Fudge's control.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jul 27, 2004 3:03 am (#557 of 983)

S E Jones, I'm with you about Snapes incompitence. Inspite of the war, there is a need for a rounded apporach to DADA, which I can not see Snape bringing.

Also Snape is extremely important to the Order. Would it be wise to compromise DADA and Snapes role. Also many of the rest of the Order do not trust Snape (and JKR HAS hinted that niether should we) so they would attempt to veto Snape's position. As to members of the Order working at Hogwarts, McGonnagel does so why not the new DADA lecturer. There are loads of Order members that we haven't met, what are they doing? Could one of these be the next DADA lecturer? We haven't met them yet have we.

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Crookshanks - Jul 27, 2004 4:25 am (#558 of 983)

"Ex FAHgeek - Yes, they can drop it, just like with Potions, History of Magic, and all the other required classes from years 1-5 "

Well,well, I wrote all classes, not all students from Year 1 to 7. There would be some students pursuing DADA in the 6th & 7th years,right ?

"S.E.Jones - I mean the boy the Order's work really hinges on (Harry) will be at school".

You've stumped me there !!!

"SE Jones - He got the information wrong concerning where Kappa's are from. Yes, he has a lot of experience with the Dark Arts, but how much experience has he had with Defenses against the Dark Arts?"

I've told before that Dark Arts & DADA are sides of the same coin. Now, we know Snape is doing something for the order 'at great personal risk'.That we know as 'figuring out what the DEs are upto' (OotP). While dealing with DEs, one obviously needs to be highly skilled at DADA as well. More significantly,Snape has been doing this job for DD from the last 12 to 13 years at least,meaning that he's come out of every possible DE attack safe.How many times can you escape without real skill ? You can't grope in the dark with all possible incantations while your life's at stake, can you ? So, whether or not Snape knows where exactly kappas originate from is not the issue. Voldie & his DEs are far dangerous than Kappas & one doesn't need to be skilled at fighting Kappas to take on DEs. (We just know that Snape got the location wrong, doesn't mean he can't fight them. MAy be he purposely got the location wrong to make the students feel that Lupin is a nutter).

DD's trust in Snape -- DD asked Harry to continue his Occlumency lessons inspite of the fact that Snape was going to be alone with Harry a few hours every week.'DD trusts Snape' and he's told it a 1000 times. It's another issue that Snape might turn dirty after getting the DADA job, but DD might not hesitate giving Snape the job.

iSE Jones - You'd want someone experienced in the counter-curses, not the curses themselves.

I agree with you there. But look at the situations during the 1st war. We know that Snape joined DD before Voldie's downfall. He would still have been in great risk of getting murdered by Voldie or the DEs. It was also the time when Barty Crouch Sr. was ruthlessly permitting the ministry Aurors to use the unforgivable curses (GoF), so even as a DE, he needed to know Counter-curses.All DEs who duelled in the DoM,I'm sure,knew as much DADA as the aurors.It's great risk for them too.An Imperius Curse from an auror & the ministry could get to work wonders out.

I think Snape's credentials all boil down to what the first chance DD gave him was.

And yeah,I forgot, Snape was the referee for the 2nd Quidditch match (Gryffindor vs Hufflepuff,if I'm right) in PS/SS. Why was he there ?

Personally,I would like to see Harry vs Snape in the DADA classes, which is Harry's strongest territory.Imagine the look on old Severus's face,if Harry gets 100% in the DADA paper Snape's set !!!

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S.E. Jones - Jul 27, 2004 2:43 pm (#559 of 983)

Let it snow!
Crookshanks: You've stumped me there !!!

Stumped you how? Harry is the only one who can defeat Voldemort, therefore he is the main weapon to be used against Voldemort. The Order is fighting Voldemort, thus they need Harry properly prepared.

And, you can ignore any part of my argument you want, but I still feel they will get someone who's history is with fighting DEs, not being one of them. The DA looked to Harry, not because he'd once been a DE, but because he'd once fought Voldemort. Dumbledore will want someone in the same position for DADA teacher next year.....

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Kieran Burke - Jul 27, 2004 7:17 pm (#560 of 983)

He'll want someone with experience, which could easily be Snape, although I doubt it will be Snape seeing as DD hasn't ever let him have the job, why let him now? Still we can't rule it out on incompetence really. I have no doubt in my mind that Snape is a very competent wizard and has alot of knowledge of both Dark magic and the defences against it.

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mrweasley - Jul 28, 2004 3:31 am (#561 of 983)

Edited by Jul 28, 2004 3:32 am
I think the reason why I believe so strongly in Snape as the new DADA teacher is not only because of his competence (which, as we've seen in the previous posts, is debatable), but also because it seems to be very unlikely that Harry got the "O" OWL that Snape requires from prospective NEWT participants.
Let me back that up with a few quotes:

Apart from the question about Polyjuice Potion, "he found the written paper difficult" (OotP, p. 631) and felt lucky at the end of the practical that "he had, with luck, avoided a fail." (632)

Even if Harry's underestimating himself, it sure doesn't sound like an "outstanding" achievement, does it? Therefore, in order to be able to take the potion NEWTs which he needs to become an auror, Harry needs a new potion master who doesn't require an "O" OWL.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jul 28, 2004 3:46 am (#562 of 983)

I'm with Sarah on this one. Not Snape. Why? because his role, what ever it is, within the Order is too vital. That Dumbledore will want to keep a balanced curicullum, something which I doubt Snape could bring. And while we know that Harry wants to become an auror we don't know that's what Rowling has planned for him. How many children want to do something and can not because they don't get the grades and have to rethink? Harry could be one of them. So Harry not getting the OWL does not mean a new potions master.

As to finding the paper difficult and feeling that he had avoided a fail with luck. Snape has done little to build Harry's confidence in potions so Harry may be better than he thinks.

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haymoni - Jul 28, 2004 6:13 am (#563 of 983)

It's been a long time since I've gone through this thread so if this has been said, don't shoot me just yet!

Dumbledore could step down as Headmaster of Hogwarts - he has to make sure that Harry is trained properly.

Minerva could take over as Headmistress and Hagrid could become Head of Gryffindor House.

Harry would really get to know Hagrid, which helps those of us who believe that Hagrid is the HBP.

Shoot away!!!

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Denise P. - Jul 31, 2004 6:56 pm (#564 of 983)

Ravenclaw Pony
Those of you who are waving the Snape as Book #6 DADA teacher, how can you discount what JKR has said about him being made DADA?

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Chris. - Jul 31, 2004 7:02 pm (#565 of 983)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Denise, what did she say? If you have a quote, I'll be grateful

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Denise P. - Jul 31, 2004 7:17 pm (#566 of 983)

Ravenclaw Pony
Sure, let me find it. It was in her most recent chat, I think. Nope, it was in the Royal Albert Hall interview.

JL: Prof Snape has always wanted to be the defence against the dark arts teacher. In book 5 he still doesn't get the job Why does ProfessorDumbledore not allow him to be the defence against the dark arts teacher?

SF: There

JKR: That is an excellent question and the reason is that, I have to be careful what I say here, the reason is that to answer it fully would give and awful lot away about the remaining two books but when Professor Dumbledore took Professor Snape on to the staff and Professor Snape said I'd like to teach defence against the darks arts please and Professor Dumbledore felt that that might bring out the worst in Professor Snape

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Chris. - Jul 31, 2004 7:21 pm (#567 of 983)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Hmm... interesting.

Thanks for the quote, Denise!

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Luke E.A. Lockhart - Jul 31, 2004 7:37 pm (#568 of 983)

Interesting; this seems to imply that Snape's role will be greater in HbP and Book 7 than I had guessed...

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Hollywand - Jul 31, 2004 7:53 pm (#569 of 983)

Gryffindor
Denise, a question, though: What if Snape is made the DADA teacher in Book 6 and it does bring out the worst in him? Couldn't that be a dark pathway for the sixth book, and prepare a lighter pathway for the seventh? Inquiring minds would like to know, yes indeed. ;-)

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Crookshanks - Aug 5, 2004 10:19 am (#570 of 983)

I've said this earlier & I'll say this again.It is very important to have a guy proficient in Dark Arts to teach DADA at this juncture.Don't tell me Harry's going to overcome all the DEs by just 'Stupefy'ing them or body-binding them.The fact that he used the cruciatus curse against Bella in MoM to no effect suggests that it is important for Harry to gain mastery over curses as strong as the unforgivable ones,for unforgivable curses may land him in Azkaban,the last thing we now want.

Also,look at the plusses of having a DE teach DADA.Barty Jr. taught Harry to throw the Imperius Curse off & Harry was able to throw away Voldemort's imperious curse,while many accomplished wizards,as we're given to understand,were tranced by Voldie to function as DEs.This speaks volumes about what Harry can do.He's learning very little for his capacity.I see him becoming the next DD,learn Dark Arts,but use it for the benefit of humanity.(BTW,Parseltongue,a Dark Art,helped him open the CoS)

Snape is bound to turn nasty against Harry,but he's contesting Harry in his own den if he ever does so.When Harry could overcome,at least temporarily,10 DEs & had the courage to make Voldie shiver,I don't think he's gonna get bullied too far by Snape.I wanna see Snape teaching Harry Occlumency & Dark Arts.Probably,Hermione can join him too....

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Padfoot - Aug 5, 2004 10:24 am (#571 of 983)

Edited by Aug 5, 2004 10:25 am
I really do not see Snape teaching DADA. Jo has made it clear that bad things will happen if that were to occur. Each DADA teacher has taught Harry something useful and I see the trend continuing. Now maybe Lupin or DD will teach Harry some private classes on the side to assist him.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Aug 5, 2004 1:02 pm (#572 of 983)

Just a random observation. It has been said teaching DADA would bring out the worst in Snape. That being being said what if Snape teaches DADA bringing out the worst in him.

This in turn would bring out either the best or the worst in Harry depending on his mastery of his hatred and loathing of Snape. If it brings out the worst in Harry that could have an adverse effect on his protections.

Best Regards, Nathan

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Solitaire - Aug 5, 2004 7:25 pm (#573 of 983)

I think Snape would be dangerous in DADA. He has talked a lot about mastering emotions to Harry, but the truth is that Snape is not able to master his anger and hatred of James. Dumbledore admits this.

Snape might not be a DE anymore, but he likes to use his power to taunt students--Harry, Neville, Hermione, and Ron have all been the recipient of his nastiness--and DADA is NOT the place for someone with that temperament. I agree with JKR ... NOT the place for him at all.

Solitaire

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Crookshanks - Aug 7, 2004 12:59 pm (#574 of 983)

Agree with you guys,fine,but then I was thinking on these lines -

Harry's "O" in Potions is a joke.

If Harry survives the series,he's going to end up being an Auror,and nothing else(apart from SPEW chairman or treasurer).I frankly don't see Harry getting "O" in his Potions NEWTs & the ministry compromising for Harry to become an Auror without that.(I really don't like to see Harry getting favours from the wretched Ministry).The Potions prof has to change.If DD had confidence in Snape to teach Occlumency to Harry,why not DADA ?

So for me,if Harry's not getting an "O" in Potions & Snape refuses to take him in for NEWTs,I think Harry's gonna die at the end of book 7; that would pretty much save JKR the trouble of finding where Harry fits in with his grades.

Imagine the look on the faces of students when DD says that their new DADA peof is none other than good ol' Snape !!!! Man ! I can see it from here....

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Solitaire - Aug 7, 2004 5:28 pm (#575 of 983)

Well, DD has pointed out that he was in error to have Snape teach Occlumency to Harry, hasn't he? Maybe Snape will die and Hogwarts can get a new and more fair Potions teacher (Sorry, Gina!) AND a good DADA teacher. Even if he stays, the Potions master is not the one who administers the NEWT, is he? If not, then it is possible that Harry could still pass it.

The thing is, I can't see Harry willingly subjecting himself to another 2 years of Snape when he has the chance to be free of him--even if it does mean he can't be an Auror. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Solitaire

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weasley by nature - Aug 8, 2004 12:11 am (#576 of 983)

Alastor "Mad-Eye" Moody: He never did that one year of teaching that Dumbledore requested, he may have sustained injuries that he needs to rest off before fighting again, and he is obviously qualified since he was hired to teach in Harry's 4th year. The problems with this are that if he didn't sustain injuries he would want to be in the fight where he is probably needed, also he probably more than payed off Dumbledore's debt by being trapped in a trunk for almost a year.

Bill Weasley: He might be qualified for the job. But he is fairly young, may not be qualified, it would be a weird situation for ron&ginny for bill to be teaching them and he seems to have plenty of work as a cursebreaker (and he is needed to try to bring the goblins on the order's side).

Viktor Krum: He might be qualified for the job. But he is really young, has work as a professional quidditch player and it would be a weird situation for Hermione for Krum to be there.

Someone new (perhaps a vampire): this has happened in all the past books and really there's nothing to say besides that. The possibility of him being a vampire is discussed in posts 386-394. I can't imagine that a vampire would be safe at all.

Hestia Jones, Daedulus Diggle, Sturgis Podmore, Tiberius Ogden, Emmeline Vance, Amelia Bones, Griselda Marchbanks or some other small character: JKR mentions people and then brings them into the story line and she could do that instead of introducing them as an entirely new character like she did before.

Snape: He wants the job and is probably qualified for it. But there is no reason that we know of for Dumbledore to change his stance and then they would need a Potions teacher.

Andromeda Tonks: She is qualified. But she is too young and probably needed in the order.

Remus Lupin: he is qualified. But he thinks that he is a danger to the students and then Snape would be needed for lessons occasionally, also he is doing work for the order.

The Ghost of Sirius Black: If Sirius came back as a ghost he would be the obvious choice. But I don't think Sirius will come back as a ghost and he wouldn't be able to do practical magic lessons. (note: discussing whether you think Sirius will come back as a ghost or not is totally off topic but I'm just addressing the issue)

Kingsley Shacklebolt: He is qualified and will no longer be needed to track down Sirius Black because Sirius is dead. But he may be needed for the order.

others: a Goblin (they have a different type of magic), Fleur (Harry beat her for christ's sake), are there any other ones (that haven't been proven false/highly unlikely) that I missed?

Off topic but addressing the recent posts: Crookshanks, Harry will not definitely become an Auror. Secondly, Harry does not necessarily have to take potions to become an Auror. Solitaire, the reason that DD was in error to have Snape teach Harry Occlumency was because it was one on one sessions of a personal nature (revealing personal memories) that was of an urgent nature (to stop Voldemort from tricking Harry. And also Solitaire, Harry needs to be in a NEWT class to take the NEWT of that class it seems, I can't imagine someone passing a NEWT for a subject that they haven't studied or learned anything new about for a year.

wow this is the longest entry I've ever posted...sorry about that

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Solitaire - Aug 8, 2004 12:45 am (#577 of 983)

Weasley, I'm sorry. I worded my answer very poorly ... and I'm not sure this is any better (it's late). I know Harry needs to take NEWT level potions class with Snape in order to take his NEWT in potions. I just meant that as long as Snape was not administering the NEWT test, Harry might do okay, since he was calmer and felt he did better in his OWL without Snape breathing down his neck. I still do not see him going for it, though. I think he is hoping for a Snape-free year. I say ... don't count too heavily on it, Harry.

I still think Snape would be terrible for DADA. I can't help it. I'm a teacher of adolescents, and he embodies everything I abhor in a teacher, even if he does have a brilliant mind. I've seen the damage teachers like Snape do to kids. I worked with one for four years. I can tell you ... humiliation therapy cuts very deeply. DADA is too critical a subject to risk the kind of damage Snape could inflict on kids. I hope DD doesn't succumb to that pressure.

Dumbledore may want an Auror at Hogwarts this year, now that the War has begun. I agree that Tonks (I think you meant Nymphadora) is probably too young. Then again, the really experienced Aurors may be needed outside. Still, my vote is for Kingsley or Moody.

Solitaire

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Kasse - Aug 8, 2004 10:51 am (#578 of 983)

I thought that JKR said somewhere after what happend Moody would not want the DADA position. Did anyone else read/hear something like this?

I think Kingsly is a good contender.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Aug 8, 2004 11:15 am (#579 of 983)

Weasley by Nature

Andromeda Tonks: She is qualified. But she is too young and probably needed in the order.

I think you are meaning to refer to Nymphadora Tonks. Andromeda is her mother.

Nathan

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Nymphadora - Aug 9, 2004 11:01 am (#580 of 983)

Hey, who's confusing me with my mother? Hee hee...

Anyway, I was just startled to remember that Snape had taken up Lupin's lessons while he convalesced from his monthly transformation. Does anyone remember whether Lupin himself or Dumbledore asked him to? I can only recall one such instance right now, the one where he set them the werewolf essay... but I would surmise that he took all the rest during the year, or did they have the time off? (I hate to be away from the books when I'm posting here!!)

If anyone can check PoA, do we have any more information about Snape's DADA lessons, then?

However, if he did undertake more than one lessons, his desire for the post was not quenched at all; when Umbridge asks him, Snape admits to having applied for the DADA position ever since he joined Hogwarts. I really can't get why, though. He's quite a Potions Master; does he think he will have more power as DADA teacher? And, since he's on good terms with Dumbledore, why doesn't the latter explain to him why he doesn't let him take the post?

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Siki - Aug 9, 2004 4:36 pm (#581 of 983)

I dont have my book with me but i think you are right. Snape did take over the post for lupin that one time. I think if they don't have a new character (as in one we haven't seen yet)for the post, then Snape will probably get the job.

I have heard some stuff about Bill in this post, sorry if i am posting stuff thats been mentioned I was too lazy to read all 580 posts, I think he will keep his Gringotts Job.

My theroy about Snape though is that he could be qualified perfectly for the job. I don't think we really know much about his DADA skills. Also being a past Death Eater he would know what the Death Eaters do, What spells they commonly use, and he should be able to teach people how to protect themselves from that kind of stuff.

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rosi reef - Aug 10, 2004 6:17 am (#582 of 983)

And, since he's on good terms with Dumbledore, why doesn't the latter explain to him why he doesn't let him take the post?

Maybe Snape knows why DD doesn't want him to teach DADA, but he's not eager to tell Umbridge in front of the class.

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McSnurp - Aug 10, 2004 8:05 am (#583 of 983)

An elf of Mirkwood Forest
It might be plausable that Snape is the best DADA teacher. Yet, the job is cursed it is said. Would Snape want to take that risk?

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Kasse - Aug 10, 2004 8:30 am (#584 of 983)

I think they say it is cursed as a joke since no one has lasted in the position for over a year Meriwether, but to answer your question... yes Snape would definitely take the job. He asks for is every year doesn’t he?

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McSnurp - Aug 10, 2004 9:22 am (#585 of 983)

An elf of Mirkwood Forest
Yes of course. But there is a risk. Snape isn't the the most brave person is he? And he knows what has happened to past teachers.

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Luke E.A. Lockhart - Aug 10, 2004 9:36 am (#586 of 983)

"Snape isn't the the most brave person is he?"

Yes he is. I can't think of one instance where Snape has been a coward. He spies for Dumbledore, went against Voldemort at the risk of his own life, didn't ask for help when James was picking on him...

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McSnurp - Aug 10, 2004 9:40 am (#587 of 983)

An elf of Mirkwood Forest

sigh* Fine. But I still don't think he'll ever take the job.

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Kasse - Aug 10, 2004 9:47 am (#588 of 983)

Yes he is. I can't think of one instance where Snape has been a coward. He spies for Dumbledore, went against Voldemort at the risk of his own life, didn't ask for help when James was picking on him... - Luke

I agree completely! I will stop there before I need to move the discussin to the Snape thread.

Meriwether why do you think he would not take the position of DADA teacher? Like I said every single year he asks DD for the post and is turned down every year. Why would he ask for the post if he did not want it?

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McSnurp - Aug 10, 2004 9:52 am (#589 of 983)

An elf of Mirkwood Forest
I just don't think that he'll take up the job. Don't ask me why it's just a gut feeling.

You can all kill me when book 6 comes out

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Luke E.A. Lockhart - Aug 10, 2004 10:00 am (#590 of 983)

No problem, everyone's entitled to their own opinion!

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McSnurp - Aug 10, 2004 10:04 am (#591 of 983)

An elf of Mirkwood Forest
Thanks.

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Amilia Smith - Aug 11, 2004 8:20 am (#592 of 983)

I don't think Snape will get the job either, but not because he doesn't want it. I think that if it was offered, he would jump at the chance.

I know it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but I feel that if DD was ever going to give Snape the job, he would have gotten it last year. Why would we be subjected Umbridge if DD saw any alternitive?

I also agree with Solitare. Snape is not the best teacher. He may be brilliant, but he can't teach. Even if we don't mention his humiliation tactics, I don't think much of his teaching abilities. He doesn't explain things. In Potions, he simply writes the instructions on the board and then wanders the classroom making snide remarks. That one DADA class he taught, he just assigned book reading and an essay. The students would be perfectly able to do just as well on their own. In Harry's private Occlumency lessons, Snape doesn't tell him how to repell his intrusion, he just accesses Harry's memories and then ridicules Harry for not being able to stop him.

That said, I think the DADA teacher for book 6 will be someone new. I am really hoping for someone competant, but am not holding my breath.

My brother has a theory that DD himself will take the class in book 7.

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Luke E.A. Lockhart - Aug 11, 2004 8:36 am (#593 of 983)

"Why would we be subjected Umbridge if DD saw any alternitive?"

Dumbledore didn't choose Umbridge. She was forced upon him by the Ministry.

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Amilia Smith - Aug 11, 2004 8:40 am (#594 of 983)

But DD had to have known Fudge wouldn't have sent someone who would be good for the program. He may not have forseen Umbridge, but he should have forseen a Ministry spy.

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Solitaire - Aug 11, 2004 2:54 pm (#595 of 983)

I agree that Snape would jump at the chance to teach DADA. I just hope it doesn't happen. Amilia brings up points I didn't even mention ... that Snape doesn't really teach (I was just focusing on his temperament and behavior). He just gives assignments. He doesn't seem to explain much. In that respect, he is a lot like Umbridge. "Read the chapter, answer the questions."

I'll admit that potions is rather like a lab practical, so it doesn't need a LOT of discussion. However, each time I see Snape berate a student for preparing an ingredient incorrectly, adding an ingredient in the wrong order, stirring something in the wrong direction, I wonder ... did he bother to EXPLAIN to the students why it is important to prepare things just so, add them in the correct order, or stir a certain way? He seems to belong to the "I'm the teacher, so shut up and do what I tell you" school.

People have to understand why it is important to do things in a certain way, or they will not remember to do it that way when it is critical. "Just do it" might work when kids are younger and are not able to comprehend the ramifications of various actions and choices. That is not true of Hogwarts students--even the first-years.

If Snape operated a DADA class the way he operates potions, it would be as bad as Umbridge's class ... probably with a lot of other problems thrown in. Playing favorites in a DADA class--well, I don't even want to think about that.

Solitaire

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Kasse - Aug 11, 2004 5:07 pm (#596 of 983)

On another thread someone mentioned that Snape most probably does teach we just do not get to see it, after all even Umbridge said that they were ahead in potions - so Snape must be doing sonething right.

So he probably would be a good DADA teacher - he did ok when he took over for Lupin

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sere35 - Aug 11, 2004 10:01 pm (#597 of 983)

I don't think Snape should have to explain every thing. Come on they are in there 5th year they should know the basics by now.

It's not like regular school when you switch teachers every year. They know Snape by now and how he runs his classes. They don't need him to hold their hands through every little thing.

Also how hard is it to follow directions. First couple years he probably explained how to prepare ingredients and basic potion safety. After that it's pretty much just following the recipe unless it's a realty advanced potion.

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Archangel - Aug 11, 2004 10:46 pm (#598 of 983)

Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. -- Semisonic
Snape won't be the DADA teacher. It could either be Kingsley or someone new. Hope it's someone new, competent, mysterious, and dark (though not necessarily evil). Could HBP disguise himself as a "commoner" and be their new DADA teacher? Cheers!

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ex-FAHgeek - Aug 12, 2004 7:09 am (#599 of 983)

Edited by Aug 12, 2004 7:14 am
---quote--- I wonder ... did he bother to EXPLAIN to the students why it is important to prepare things just so, add them in the correct order, or stir a certain way? ---end of quote---

I wonder if that even matters beyond "because that's how you make the potion." I guess that in my view of magic and potions, there aren't many broad properties per se - i.e. dragon blood does twelve different things because that's what dragon blood does, and none of those things have to relate to one another or have any correlation to any other kind of blood. Mixing purple skunk musk in mare's milk yields Potion X and mixing it with goat's milk yields Potion Y and there's no other reason for it than they're different magical potions.

It's different than, say, organic chemistry, where all alcohols have certain properties and you modify based on the particular alcohol. You won't get a less effective potion or a slightly different product if you mess up; the entire potion fails entirely (and sometimes with spectacular effects.)

It gets even more bizarre when you get into the really weird ingredients: a skein of unspun yarn mixed with the voice of a spider and the courage of a daring thief! Good luck...

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S.E. Jones - Aug 12, 2004 5:22 pm (#600 of 983)

Let it snow!
Amilia Smith: Why would we be subjected Umbridge if DD saw any alternitive?

Luke EA Lockhart: Dumbledore didn't choose Umbridge. She was forced upon him by the Ministry.

Yes and no. Fudge was only in a position to push Umbridge on Dumbledore because Dumbledore couldn't find anyone for the position in time. She was appointed under Educational Decree 22 (OotP, ch 15, pg307, US): 'the ministry has the right to appoint a suitable candidate if - and only if - the headmaster is unable to find one' (pg597, US).

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Solitaire - Aug 12, 2004 11:06 pm (#601 of 983)
ex-FAH, Snape has asked Harry on more than one occasion if he added the ingredients in the proper order. Therefore, it is important in some (if not all) potions. And if it is important, it should be specified.

Now, maybe he DID tell them "off camera." I suppose it is just as easy to assume he did--and Harry wasn't paying attention--as to assume he didn't tell them. Mea culpa.

Solitaire

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ex-FAHgeek - Aug 13, 2004 6:43 am (#602 of 983)

Edited by Aug 13, 2004 6:45 am
---quote--- ex-FAH, Snape has asked Harry on more than one occasion if he added the ingredients in the proper order. Therefore, it is important in some (if not all) potions. And if it is important, it should be specified. ---edn quote---

Very ture, but my point is not that the technique for a particular potion isn't important, but that the correlaries may be few and far between potions. Preparation order would be unique for each potion, but you can't teach the students "always add your boggart entrails first;" instead it's first for Potion A, fifth with stirring for Potion B, not at all in Potion C, etc.

Snape does specify instructions for each potion (either on the board or referenced in the students' textbooks - for example, there's one point when Snape criticizes Harry's potion and he looks at the board to realize he skipped a step entirely.) The point is that potions seems to take the form of an extensive memorization class - each one must be learned individually and the only reason one does anything is because that's how that particular potion is made... period.

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Quibbler Editor In Chief - Aug 13, 2004 4:13 pm (#603 of 983)

I agree with everyone that says that Snape most likely will not be the DADA teacher in HBP.

REASONS: 1. Dumbledore has repeatedly given the job to people other than Snape, and this is not likely to change with the return of Voldemort. If Dumbledore ever had any doubts that Snape was not right for the job then now would definitely not be the time to have a less than perfect DADA teacher (especially after a year wasted with Umbridge).

2. Although the job would probably have more candidates than the DADA job, moving Snape would require a new potions teacher. Snape seems to be a master of potions, even though he is not Harry's favorite teacher.

3. If Dumbledore finally gave the position to Snape then it would be showing everyone how strongly Dumbledore trusts Snape. If Snape has any chance of spying for the Order on Voldemort then Voldemort must not know that Dumbledore and Snape are working together.

Enough of who I don't think will get the job! I expect the position to go to someone that Dumbledore has great faith in, no matter what other people think of them (like he did with Lupin). The problems with DADA teachers definitely needs to end, so Dumbledore must make sure to put a good man or women in the job. I expect to see either a member of the Order or a new character in the position, which is a problem because these people should be busy outside of Hogwarts working against Voldemort and the Death Eaters.

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Solitaire - Aug 13, 2004 7:02 pm (#604 of 983)

But Quibbler, it is possible that what goes on within Hogwarts may be the critical action at this time--especially with Hogwarts' impenetrability in question after having seen it so easily breached by Sirius.

And don't forget that Peter/Wormtail will know a lot about Hogwarts' vulnerabilities, after all the years he spent there as Scabbers. If it becomes apparent that Hogwarts itself is under attack from without, then it may be Hogwarts that needs the Aurors most.

Solitaire

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Solitaire - Aug 13, 2004 7:07 pm (#605 of 983)

Actually, having said the above, it makes sense that Hogwarts may NEED a competent Auror in residence. Consider the number of (now) officially known and exposed DEs who have kids at Hogwarts. It is going to become important to know where those kids' loyalties lie, isn't it? I think it will be interesting to see how Dumbledore handles kids like Draco, Crabbe, Goyle, etc.

Solitaire

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sere35 - Aug 13, 2004 9:09 pm (#606 of 983)

Actually Peter probably know's more about Hogwarts than anyone alive(exception of lupin). He is one of the last remaining creators of the map.

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Archangel - Aug 13, 2004 10:04 pm (#607 of 983)

Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. -- Semisonic
Edited by Aug 13, 2004 10:06 pm
I don't know about that Sere35. Voldemort used to spend his summers in Hogwarts as Tom Riddle and given the fact that he discovered where the Chamber of Secrets means that he knows more than the Marauders know.

I think I posted this in another thread but I have a feeling that this knowledge of the school's premises is probably coupled with a knowledge of the spells used to protect the school. This could also mean that Voldemort possibly has a pretty good idea of breaking those charms and a full-blown attack on Hogwarts is not impossible.

This, I think, might be one of the reasons (or THE reason) why the DADA teacher will be soooooo crucial this year. First years must be taught and trained to defend themselves if ever this should happen. After all, the teachers wouldn't be able to protect everybody at the same time.

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Amilia Smith - Aug 13, 2004 10:54 pm (#608 of 983)

The teachers certainly haven't been able to protect Harry and Ron all the time:)

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Solitaire - Aug 14, 2004 12:13 am (#609 of 983)

I just read an interesting article on Mugglenet which addresses the safety of Hogwarts. It is called Hagrid, keeper of the keys and more? In this essay, the writer looks at why Voldemort doesn't just enter Hogwarts and kill Harry. She suggests that there may be a Fidelius Charm on Hogwarts, put there when Dumbledore became the Headmaster, and that Hagrid is the Secret-keeper. She gives some interesting evidence. It's worth a read.

Solitaire

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TomProffitt - Aug 14, 2004 6:09 am (#610 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
It sounds reasonable to me.

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Mortianna Wentworth-Snape - Aug 14, 2004 1:02 pm (#611 of 983)

Depending on Snape's loyalty to Dumbledore, He can not have the job of DADA teacher and this is why

1. the Dark Lord wants him to try and get the job because as we know from Durmstrang, the way the Dark Arts are taught influences the student's development

2. with #1 in mind...Snape can't take the job because they way he taught it, would not be what either the Dark Lord or Dumbledore would want and his loyalty would be given away

3. It would throw off the system because he is already Potions Master like the Quibbler Editor said

Mortianna

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Archangel - Aug 14, 2004 10:36 pm (#612 of 983)

Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. -- Semisonic
I read the article and I guess the theory that Hagrid is Hogwarts' Secret-Keeper was indeed weakened by the fact the he wasn't there to show the freshmen the castle in OoP. My take on why Voldemort hasn't attacked Hogwarts is because it wasn't his top priority during OoP. He needed to know what could've caused his downfall when he attacked Harry and so concentrated his efforts in getting the prophecy.

Snape should remain teaching Potions. The DADA post should go to a new character or Kingsley the Mighty (hehe!). He seems to be one of the top Aurors around and he might not wish to work for MoM anymore because of Fudge's incompetency.

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Fawkes Egg - Aug 15, 2004 1:47 pm (#613 of 983)

Lost bird caught in mid-migration, far away to a foreign land. -- Feel It Turn, by Great Big Sea.
Well, from those BBC reports of the Edinburgh Book Festival, my money is now on new character McLagan. Because the DADA teacher has always been a new character...not an absolutely necessary feature of the DADA teacher, I know, but still it seems plausible.

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Kasse - Aug 16, 2004 12:40 pm (#614 of 983)

I agree Fawks as soon as I heard that the new characters name I immediately thought that they were the DADA teacher

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lupin's daughter - Aug 16, 2004 3:30 pm (#615 of 983)

have you read what is behind the door??

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S.E. Jones - Aug 17, 2004 12:26 am (#616 of 983)

Let it snow!
Discussion of Hagrid as Hogwart's possible Secret-Keeper, why Voldemort hasn't yet attacked Hogwarts, and what is behind the Door needs to be moved to other threads. I would suggest the 'Hogwarts' or 'Hagrid' threads for the former and the 'JKR Official Site' thread for the latter.

Thanks.

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Classicsquid592 - Aug 25, 2004 7:51 pm (#617 of 983)

Even if Kingsley Shacklebolt is not the next DADA teacher, I really hope that his role in the books increases in the next two books. In this character, JKR has created a relatively minor character with amazing potential. Though I do think that "character X" is the most likely DADA candidate. I think that Shacklebolt along with everyone else from the order to greet Harry at the end of OotP will become increasingly significant pieces of the war effort in the next two books. If Kingsley is the next DADA teacher, he will probably die at the end. If he dies, I can only see him going down fighting.

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Solitaire - Aug 26, 2004 12:00 am (#618 of 983)

I, too, would like to see more of Kingsley. Now that he no longer has to pretend to be looking for Sirius or worrying about "firelegs," he will have a lot of time on his hands. I'd love to see him teaching at Hogwarts! He has a keen sense of humor as well as a strong personal "presence." The kids would like him, I bet.

Solitaire

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Archangel - Aug 26, 2004 4:46 am (#619 of 983)

Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. -- Semisonic
Ditto! Hope JKR gives Kingsley more page time in HBP. If JKR appoints another Lockhart to DADA, Kingsley could personally tutor Harry. Smile

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Solitaire - Aug 26, 2004 11:18 pm (#620 of 983)

Yikes, Archangel! I find it worrisome to even speculate that there could be another Lockhart "out there." That is almost as bad as another Umbridge! **hides under invisibility cloak**

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Classicsquid592 - Aug 27, 2004 4:34 pm (#621 of 983)

Another Lockhart would fit both the potions riddle prediction and the peacock feather in the albedo stage (alchemy thread) if the books follow that pattern. Many things seem to support it. Though I don't want it to happen (I really want Shacklebolt for DADA) I would not be surprised. I still think that "Character X" is the most likely candidate for DADA and he seems to fit the appearance of someone who would be popular with the students (Men and women alike, unlike Lockhart) but turn out in a critical moment to be a fraud.

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S.E. Jones - Aug 29, 2004 1:16 am (#622 of 983)

Let it snow!
he seems to fit the appearance of someone who would be popular with the students (Men and women alike, unlike Lockhart) but turn out in a critical moment to be a fraud.

Hm, funny, I was voting on the opposite... someone who was unpopular with the students, or at least with Harry and company, but would turn out to be an ally.

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The One - Aug 29, 2004 12:16 pm (#623 of 983)

Open minded sceptic
Hm, funny, I was voting on the opposite... someone who was unpopular with the students, or at least with Harry and company, but would turn out to be an ally.

Remember that such a teacher (probably) exist already, but he is teaching potions.

he seems to fit the appearance of someone who would be popular with the students (Men and women alike, unlike Lockhart) but turn out in a critical moment to be a fraud.

And the fake mood probably fits this.

Both plots have been used already. (But so have good teachers that are good and bad teachers that are bad. It is getting difficult to do anything new.)

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Saud - Aug 29, 2004 4:27 pm (#624 of 983)

Currently 2 teachers are teaching Divination. Firenze and Trelawny. Will one of them switch into teaching DADA as DD gives everyone a second chance and both Trelawny and Firenze seem highly unlikely to leave Hogwarts.

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TomProffitt - Aug 29, 2004 4:54 pm (#625 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
Trelawney would be hilarious as DADA teacher, just when Ron and Harry had thought they had escaped her!

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Cuivienen - Aug 29, 2004 4:59 pm (#626 of 983)

Certainly Trelawney won't leave Hogwarts; I'm sure memory of the Prophecy could be tortured out of her. However, it also seems from what Dumbledore tells Harry that he only hired her so that she wouldn't be wandering around as a potential weapon for Voldemort. Thus, I don't think that Trelawney will continue teaching. If Dumbledore tells her the truth, he may instead hide her at Grimmauld Place or somewhere else impenetrable, and, if not, she will probably simply continue residing in Hogwarts. (Even after being fired, Trelawney called Hogwarts her "home;" I'm sure she'd be fine with staying and not teaching.) I do not see her as nearly capable of being DADA teacher.

As far as Firenze is concerned, he isn't a wizard. He can't use a wand and thus cannot teach the students spells. Makes for a rather useless DADA teacher, no? I think he will continue teaching Divination. (Though Harry may not take the class.)

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The One - Aug 29, 2004 4:59 pm (#627 of 983)

Open minded sceptic
Trelawney in class:

"If you are attacked in so-and-so manner you might try this counter-curse, but why bother? You are going to die a horrible death anyway."

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Aug 29, 2004 6:35 pm (#628 of 983)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
Yet, you may have another sixty seconds to live, enjoy it! "You are going to die a horrible death anyway."

That cracked me up!

I think the new DADA teacher will be someone new.

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Kelly Kapaoski - Sep 1, 2004 3:15 pm (#629 of 983)

there are two potential people that would take up the post of Defense against the dark arts teacher and that is Narcissa malfoy and Molly weasley

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 1, 2004 3:42 pm (#630 of 983)

Why Narcissa?

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Kelly Kapaoski - Sep 1, 2004 5:21 pm (#631 of 983)

I heard a vicious rumor that Narcissa Malfoy was going to be taking a more active role now that her husband Lucius is in Azkaban. she could also get into a fight with Molly Weasley as well but it at least starts a conversation though

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 2, 2004 2:38 pm (#632 of 983)

So far every one of the DADA instructors has been a new character: Quirrel was in the first book, everyone was new; Lockhart was first introduced In Blurgin and Blotts at the beginning of the second book; Lupin was introduced on the Hogwarts Express at the beginning of the third book; we first hear about Moody/Crouch in the Daily Prophet near the beginning of the fourth book and in the penseive near the end; and Umbrige first appears at Harry's trial in the MOM. I don't think that we have read anything about the new DADA teacher yet (unless, of course, JKR dropped a little piece of information about him on her home page). The DADA teachers seem to be JKR's way of featuring one new central character in each story. So far, Lupin has been the only character to have any real role in the later books, the rest have been one-book characters (though I can imagine seeing more of Umbrige). The other characters will definitely have increased roles in the future, but I think that using a character we already know fairly well would break a pattern that she has maintained for 5/7ths of the series.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Sep 2, 2004 4:36 pm (#633 of 983)

Here is an idea what if the new DADA is a new character but, has had previous experience teaching DADA someone like Quirrell's predecessor as DADA teacher.

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Kelly Kapaoski - Sep 2, 2004 11:29 pm (#634 of 983)

Knowing the Curse of The D.A.D.A. Job I highly doubt it. But for all we know Dumbledore will hire Dobby or Winky to teach defence against the dark arts

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Quidditch Mom - Sep 3, 2004 11:59 am (#635 of 983)

If the new DADA professor is going to be a new character, my guess is the scarlet-robed auror. (Harry saw him at the MoM on the day of his hearing near the beginning of Order of the Phoenix, and again right after Voldemort destroyed the Atrium at the end of the book.)

Otherwise, I can see bringing Mad-Eye or Lupin back to Hogwarts to help keep watch over Harry.

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Chris. - Sep 3, 2004 1:18 pm (#636 of 983)

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I can see Kingsley as the new DADA teacher. He's quite new and I think he would be an interesting character.

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 3, 2004 4:22 pm (#637 of 983)

"But for all we know Dumbledore will hire Dobby or Winky to teach defence against the dark arts"

I don't think a practical class like DADA could be taught by a non-wizard. I know it worked in Divination with Firenze, but that class did not require wand-magic. The house-elf magic is extremely different from the magic of the wizards and would once more result in an entirely theory-based class. If this happened, then they would have to divide DADA into two separate classes Theory and Practical (with Harry teaching practical DADA, of course). It would be alot easier to have a human DADA instructor. I really like the idea of Shacklebolt as DADA teacher, but if any of the characters we already knew and loved were to become DADA teachers, then we would automatically know one guaranteed casualty of the war.

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Kelly Kapaoski - Sep 3, 2004 5:06 pm (#638 of 983)

It would still be funny to see Draco Malfoy's reaction if Dobby starts Teaching DADA LoL

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HPHouse - Sep 3, 2004 10:11 pm (#639 of 983)

I agree w/ Classicsquid on this one, it is probably someone that JKR has not introduced yet, Does anyone know the name of the person that JKR posted on her site a few weeks ago?

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HPHouse - Sep 3, 2004 10:12 pm (#640 of 983)

Dobby the DADA Teacher? LOL

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HPHouse - Sep 3, 2004 10:15 pm (#641 of 983)

Kingsly Shacklebolt would make a very good DADA, but if he became that he would probably die or something worse

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Chris. - Sep 4, 2004 4:33 am (#642 of 983)

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HP House, do you mean McLaggan? For some reason, I always thought of the new MOM for him.

I don't think Kingsley would die just because he became DADA. Only one has died and that was Quirrel.

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Chris. - Sep 4, 2004 4:34 am (#643 of 983)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
HP House, do you mean McLaggan? For some reason, I always thought of the new MOM for him.

I don't think Kingsley would die just because he became DADA. Only one has died and that was Quirrel.

PS. You can use the 'Edit' feature to change your posts if you have to add more comments or change spelling/grammar.

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 4, 2004 10:37 am (#644 of 983)

Why I think Kingsley would die if he became DADA instructor: The only order member they have had as instructor has been Lupin. Lupin was a werewolf and therefore had to leave the school. Quirrel and Crouch were followers of the dark lord and thus died (or worse in Crouch's case). Lockhart was trying to cast a spell on Harry and Ron but it backfired. And Umbrige had been asking for what came to her all year. Kingsley Shacklebolt is already an established character, therefore JKR cannot make him a fraud, a ministry inquirer, a death-eater, or a werewolf (well I suppose the latter might be open, but it would represent a slight lack of originality). If Shacklebolt became DADA instructor, that would mean that he would have to either have to die in battle or break JKR's tradition of changing DADA teachers each year. However, I do think that JKR would give him a glorious heroic death if he were a marked man. An order member dying in battle is an end JKR has not yet used for any of her DADA instructors and I think it will happen to someone before the end of the seventh book.

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Agramante - Sep 6, 2004 12:17 pm (#645 of 983)

Well, I don't know why Moody doesn't do it. He was hired once and never even showed up for the job, isn't he still responsible for living up to his contract? : ) (Well, maybe Crouch was already in his skin by the time Dumbledore even asked...maybe the counterfeiter even stumped for the position...oh, well.) I'm just mystified at why that chair is so hard to fill. Did Slytherin curse it? Or are the only qualified candidates dark wizards and witches (or people just about as scary)?

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Kelly Kapaoski - Sep 6, 2004 5:17 pm (#646 of 983)

Lupin wasn't a dark wizard or scary (unless you count the days during the full moon when he hasn't drank his potion) if she doesn't get the job as minister of magic I wonder if Amelia Bones will take the job as the DADA teacher?

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Solitaire - Sep 6, 2004 6:34 pm (#647 of 983)

I don't know ... It seems to me that the Ministry needs to hang onto people like Arthur Weasley and Amelia Bones, who are honest and actually have the best interests of the WW at heart. We know Fudge and Umbridge certainly didn't.

As for Moody ... Agramante, I don't really think we can blame him for not fulfilling his contract. Technically, he WAS at Hogwarts all year. He just spent it locked in his trunk! Barty Jr. must have collected his salary, if there was one to be collected.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing Moody at Hogwarts again. I think this is going to be a dangerous year for Hogwarts, and it might be nice to have him on the premises as himself!

Solitaire

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Saud - Sep 7, 2004 11:39 pm (#648 of 983)

I think Moody would be involved more in works for the Order than be at the school which is already well-protected by 3 Order members.

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The One - Sep 12, 2004 6:35 am (#649 of 983)

Open minded sceptic
On another note:

The Lexicon page for the HBP:

This book, Rowling has stated, will be almost part one of a two-part book, the second half being book seven. The war has begun and the saga is now moving toward the ultimate confrontation. NOTE: This doesn't mean that book six is not its own complete story or that it will take two books to cover Harry's sixth year at Hogwarts.

This might mean that the DADA teacher may actually last for two years. Having a new DADA teacher for each book have been a convenient way to introduce new plot elements for each book. That may not be needed for book 7.

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Chris. - Sep 12, 2004 7:18 am (#650 of 983)

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If it is, I would think it would have to be competent teacher.

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Cuivienen - Sep 12, 2004 7:46 am (#651 of 983)
Well, JKR has said that one of the DADA teachers will teach for two years. That doesn't mean that it can't be Lupin (or Lockhart or Umbridge!) returning for one year in 6th or 7th year, though, just that the teacher in HBP or 7 will be someone we recognize. I'm not sure whether she would consider Moody returning to be his second year teaching.

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 13, 2004 3:33 pm (#652 of 983)

What if the next DADA teacher is the one to serve for two years? JKR has said that books 6 and 7 will feel very much like two halves of a single story-line. The DADA teacher in HBP could be one of those binding elements. Where did JKR say that on DADA teacher would serve two years Cuivienen? Can you give me a link? I either never read it or forgot, either way I need to reread wherever it came from that I might avoid losing any valuable pieces of information.

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Cuivienen - Sep 13, 2004 7:26 pm (#653 of 983)

I'm completely certain I read that somewhere in an interview of JKR, but I just Googled it and the best I could come up with is the colossal:

"Will we ever get a Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher who lasts more than a year?"

"I'm not telling you. ;-)"

However, that's from a 2000 interview; zillions of interviews have been made since then, and I'm sure it's out there somewhere. Combined with the fact that the two years are "like two halves of one book," it would seem awkward to change DADA teachers, wouldn't it?

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Saud - Sep 13, 2004 7:44 pm (#654 of 983)

If it actually is 'like two halves of one book', I hope she doesn't make us wait this long for book 7.

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 13, 2004 8:59 pm (#655 of 983)

But alas, we all know she will Saud.

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João Paulo Costa - Sep 15, 2004 4:24 am (#656 of 983)

Hello everyone. I was just wondering now, and want to sugest something. I appologise if this theory has already been proposed, but I'm new here and do not know the six hundred and something posts of this thread. If that is the case, please tell me when.

What if the Half-blood Prince is the book six DADA teacher? It would be a way of introducing two characters in one.

For me, I have the feeling the the book sis DADA is a foreneigt person (i.e. non-british).

Any thoughts?

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Professor Dumbledore - Sep 15, 2004 5:33 pm (#657 of 983)

I'm pretty sure that the next DADA teacher will not be foereign. I think JKR said somewhere that she didn't want to include any more foreigners in her books.

However, it is a very good theory that the HPB would be the DADA teacher. But then again, 'Prince' generally refers to a younger person, so maybe not.

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Cuivienen - Sep 15, 2004 7:52 pm (#658 of 983)

That's not quite true -- all she said was that she wasn't going to include an American exchange student just to have someone from America. That doesn't exclude anything, even the slim possibility that the HBP is an American exchange student (and somehow the fact that he hasn't been in Britain is important).

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 16, 2004 2:06 pm (#659 of 983)

She said there wouldn't be any American characters. That doesn't say anything about someone from one of the foreign schools that already are significant coming into play.

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Professor Dumbledore - Sep 16, 2004 5:55 pm (#660 of 983)

I think right now Fleur is the only important foreign character. And she's not even that important. And it's the 6th book already, I really don't think that she is going to include a foreigner. THE HBP might be from northern scotland or he might be home schooled? It's completely boggling.

But back on to the DADA Teacher-

It might be someone just mentioned in passing or not mentioned at all. But from the MoM

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S.E. Jones - Sep 16, 2004 8:40 pm (#661 of 983)

Let it snow!
Actually, I thought what she said was that she wasn't going to start including characters from other countries (e.g. America) for the sake of including them; that she'd only include who was necessary to her story, which she has already set up.

If that's the case, then she might include a foreign character, as long as she had always intended on including him eventually.

That said, I don't think the HBP will be a foreign character as I still think the HBP (whether it is a person or a thing) has to do with the fight between Slytherin and Gryffindor. I do think, though, that the new DADA teacher (who I feel will be a new character) may have something to do with it, or will lead Harry, somehow, to it.

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Classicsquid592 - Sep 17, 2004 9:56 am (#662 of 983)

"I think right now Fleur is the only important foreign character."

What about Krum? She said at some point that he would come back in. Fleur is not that important, but Krum was one of the central characters in book 4.

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Chad Peters - Sep 21, 2004 7:14 am (#663 of 983)

I think, Fleur will become important when she becomes a Weasley...as for Krum, I kinda worried over his return for a bit.

I figured that he might come back as a young DE.

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Kelly Kapaoski - Sep 21, 2004 7:34 am (#664 of 983)

Fleur and bill are only dating; the two of them can still break up if Fleur finds someone better looking then bill

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Her-melanie - Oct 1, 2004 8:12 am (#665 of 983)

"Did he say you look like a pig that's been taught to walk on its hind legs? 'Cause that's not cheek, Dud, that's true."
Okay, I think the new DADA teacher will either be Aunt Petunia, or the ghost of Sirius. Protego! (blocking all of the coming hexes)

Really though, I like very much the idea of Andromeda. It is strange that we know so much 2nd hand information about her, since she herself hasn't actually appeared in the stories yet. That is rather suggestive. It is similar to the last two DADA teachers, who we knew of in passing (Moody and Umbridge). I haven't read the DADA professor essay linked on this thread yet, so I'm off to do that now, and I'll probably have completely different ideas afterwards!

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Kelly Kapaoski - Oct 1, 2004 1:32 pm (#666 of 983)

Why would Petunia Dursly teach defence against the dark arts: for one she is a muggle who hates magic and two what does she know about Defending herself against the dark arts.

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essie125 - Oct 2, 2004 10:13 am (#667 of 983)

Jo, of course I think about Alan when I think about Snape, Who wouldn't think about Alan all day every day eh.
I saw that there were 666 messages, bad luck i want the new DADA teacher to be on harry's side so that's why I post this post. What about fred or george as DADA teacher. HIHI. I dread to think.

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Classicsquid592 - Oct 2, 2004 1:39 pm (#668 of 983)

Kelley: I think Her-melanie was joking, I disagree with the confidence you used to say Petunia is a muggle as we still don't know exactly what she is; but the Sirius as a ghost line gave it away, she has to be joking as we know that Sirius would never become a ghost. The protego spell, I think was something of a disclaimer and the "really though" posted at the beginning of her actual coment.

You were ... joking ... right Hermie? *crosses fingers*

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Solitaire - Oct 2, 2004 3:57 pm (#669 of 983)

LOL Her-Melanie! What a picture you paint ... Auntie Pet at Hogwarts! I'm curious, though, why you suggest Andromeda as a DADA teacher. We know she is Tonks's mom, she is married to Muggle-born Wizard Ted Tonks, she is sister to Bella and Narcissa, and she was Sirius's favorite cousin. Other than that, what do we know about her? Am I forgetting something?

I did wonder why we didn't meet her in book 5, and I am hoping she turns up in book 6. Actually, it would be fun to have her and Ted at Hogwarts, wouldn't it? Someone, however (I can't remember who), suggested that Ted was the newscaster who reported about all of the owls back in PS/SS. If this is so, perhaps he won't be able to make it to Hogwarts! LOL Either way, it will be interesting to see if she turns up, perhaps to live in 12GP. She would be an actual heir, correct? Hm ...

Solitaire

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Kelly Kapaoski - Oct 2, 2004 5:35 pm (#670 of 983)

She would be an heir and if Sirius left a last Will and testement He might have considered giving the house to either Nymphodora or Andromoda as well as Harry (I will be Shocked if he left the house to Bellatrix or Narcissa)

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Solitaire - Oct 3, 2004 10:46 am (#671 of 983)

Kelly, I moved my response to your post above over to Who's Going to Inherit 12 Grimmauld Place? I felt it was more suited to that thread.

Solitaire

Edit: Post moved to 12 GP thread.

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Her-melanie - Oct 8, 2004 11:17 am (#672 of 983)

"Did he say you look like a pig that's been taught to walk on its hind legs? 'Cause that's not cheek, Dud, that's true."
ClassicSquid, YES I was kidding! Of course! Thank you for that thorough defense! Solitaire, I think since that IS all we know about Andromeda (a little bit, but nothing substantial), it is an indication that she is a likely candidate. We hear of Moody in passing before we meet him, and Harry briefly encounters Umbridge before he has her at Hogwarts. Andromeda as the DADA teacher would continue this trend, since we know OF her, but haven't met her yet. Plus, since she is related to Sirius, it would be a good continuation of the Sirius aspect of the story. If Andromeda was Sirius' favorite cousin, perhaps she would have known the Potters.

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Kelly Kapaoski - Oct 9, 2004 2:46 am (#673 of 983)

I am thinking that Andromeda might be the eldest of the 3 black sisters but I could be wrong about it and she could be the middle or the youngest of the 3. but this theory is based on the fact that she has a grown daughter who is out of hogwarts and out of auror training.

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Solitaire - Oct 9, 2004 11:12 am (#674 of 983)

Do we hear of Mad-Eye before GoF? Sorry ... I didn't remember that.

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Cuivienen - Oct 13, 2004 8:32 pm (#675 of 983)

No, but we do here of him before "he" first appears at Hogwarts -- Mr. Weasley raced off to rescue him from the police and the Department of Magical Law Enforcment, remember?

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Solitaire - Oct 14, 2004 2:21 am (#676 of 983)

I realize that, Cuivienen, but it is in the same book. I would not be surprised to see Andromeda in this book--after all, she is one of the Black sisters, and I suspect they will have a chunk of screen time--but I'll be surprised if it is in the DADA position. If we knew she was in danger, or had been an Auror, or did/had done some kind of work for the Order--any significant information about her or her abilities--I might expect to see her in that kind of role. I just do not see her as having been "set up" that way.

If we see her have some significant encounter with Harry in the beginning of HBP, then perhaps she will be in that spot. After all, Harry met Quirrell and Lockhart in Diagon Alley, he met Remus on the train, and he met Umbridge in his hearing. He heard about Moody before they left for school, and we found out later that Barty had actually been at the Quidditch World Cup and had stolen Harry's wand. That seems to be the pattern thus far.

Having said that, I do see Andromeda as having been set up to have some sort of confrontation with her two DE sisters. We know that Narcissa and Bella have been active on behalf of Voldemort, so I expect we will actually meet Andromeda in this book, and I would not be surprised if it were in a showdown involving all three sisters. I also expect that one of the sisters may die.

Solitaire

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Prefect Marcus - Oct 14, 2004 2:28 pm (#677 of 983)

"Anyone can cook"
Though this was mentioned months ago, I think it bears bringing it up again.

I do not know whom will be DADA#6. Chances are it will be someone we have never met before in a previous book. That has been Rowling's pattern from the very beginning.

I do know whom I would like it to be. I would like it to be one of Lily Evans' old friends. We know next to nothing about Harry's mother whereas we know a great deal about his father, James. It's time we learn something about his mother.

Preferably it will be a woman. There has only been one female DADA teacher so far, and that was a disaster. Surely Rowling would want her sex to be better represented than by Umbridge?

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Solitaire - Oct 14, 2004 10:19 pm (#678 of 983)

Prefect Marcus: Surely Rowling would want her sex to be better represented than by Umbridge?

Gosh, I certainly hope so. Since we learned so much about James and Sirius in the last book, perhaps we will discover a bit more about Lily in book 6. It makes sense ...

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LilyP - Oct 31, 2004 9:46 am (#679 of 983)

Moved form JKRowling website discussion: conor maloney - this is what i think will happen in the six book and the deaths. snape will be the new DADA teacher (since the role is hard to fill) and the new teacher will be in potions. now that snape and harry have something in common and there bond will grow tight. then later voldy might require snape to kidnap potter and bring harry to him. then snape has to save harry from voldy and dies in the process

This is an interesting idea. I've also considered the idea of Snape finally being DADA - so Harry can continue in Potions is peace - OK this should probably be moved to the appropriate thread.

I'm sure you've discussed this here - but Thought I'd add.


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Solitaire - Oct 31, 2004 11:05 am (#680 of 983)

Put Snape into the DADA position, so that Harry can continue potions in peace? Harry still has to take DADA. Are you suggesting it would be better for Snape to torment him there than in potions? I say torment, because I cannot believe Harry's misery at the hand of Snape is over. I am curious why you feel this would be a better arrangement.

If Snape is put into the DADA position--and I hope it does not happen--I find it hard to believe it would be for any other reason than Dumbledore simply could not find anyone willing to fill the role. While I do not deny that Snape may be the ideal person as far as knowledge of the Dark Arts is concerned, DD knows Snape and how he allows his grudges and resentments to control his behavior where Harry is concerned. Snape had enough trouble mastering his feelings toward Harry in Occlumency.

Nothing has changed in Snape's demeanor to Harry or anyone else since we have met him. If he was not appropriate for the DADA position several years ago, I do not see how he would be appropriate for it now. Putting Snape in the DADA position would be unfair to Snape as well as Harry. I hope Dumbledore exercises better judgment this time. I also hope the Ministry behaves more responsibly.

Edit: I have a question about the quoted part of your post, Lily. What do Snape and Harry now have in common? I seem to be drawing a blank. Thanks.

Solitaire

Second edit: The beginning of my post sounds kind of snippy, and I do not mean it to be. I am just baffled as to how this arrangement could be any better for Harry or anyone else. It seems kind of dangerous, to me.

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legolas - Oct 31, 2004 11:28 am (#681 of 983)

I am sure that Jo said that DD did not give Snape the position because it would bring the worst out in him.

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TomProffitt - Nov 2, 2004 11:21 pm (#682 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
"I am sure that Jo said that DD did not give Snape the position because it would bring the worst out in him." --- legolas

I am certain you are correct, and quite troubled by the idea that we haven't yet seen the worst Snape has to offer.

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legolas - Nov 3, 2004 3:49 pm (#683 of 983)

The mind boggles Tom. It could be a lot of DE type nastiness.

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Tessa's Dad - Nov 9, 2004 9:37 am (#684 of 983)

Tired Old Bat Bogey
Could someone be jinxing the Defense Against the Dark Arts teaching position? If, as McGonagall says in Book Five, no new Aurors have been accepted in the last three years, what could be the reason for this? I believe the reason is the lack of a qualified teacher consistently filling this job. Is the DADA position jinxed? Or is there someone working behind the scenes to destabilize the Ministry and the Wizarding World? It would be to the benefit of the free DE to have less Aurors in the Wizarding World. It would be far more difficult to fight fully trained Aurors than to stop students from learning the skills needed to be trained Aurors.

Before Lucius was removed from the Hogwarts School Governors, would he have used his position to arrange for a lack of candidates? Is it possible that Lucius, or someone in the Ministry was trying to stop Harry, or any other students learning the necessary skills to defend themselves or become future Aurors?

This reads like an ad for a second rate news probe! The Mystery of the Jinxed DADA Defense Against the Dark Arts teaching job at Hogwarts! Film at 11:00!

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Her-melanie - Nov 9, 2004 8:16 pm (#685 of 983)

"Did he say you look like a pig that's been taught to walk on its hind legs? 'Cause that's not cheek, Dud, that's true."
Tessa's Dad, I could hear the 'late-breaking news' music in my head while reading your post! Hilarious! Your theory seems plausible to me. It would definitely be to the DE's advantage to impede students' learning of DADA, especially since Harry is one of the students. There is definitely something strange about the lack of candidates for that position.

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Ydnam96 - Nov 20, 2004 9:02 am (#686 of 983)

I posted this on the DD thread, but thought it might be appropriate here:

I wonder if it is out of the realm of possibility for DD to be the new DADA teacher? I can't think of anyone more qualified...I mean, he is a busy man, so it probably isn't possible. But it would be cool.

Isn't the pattern that we learn who the new DADA teacher is in one of the first few chapters? I am interested to see where we might see them this year? Perhaps at the Burrow? What if DD has Charlie come and teach? I guess this would be better suited for another thread...

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Solitaire - Nov 20, 2004 8:14 pm (#687 of 983)

Why not Bill Weasley as DADA teacher? As for something strange about the lack of candidates for the position ... it does seem to be jinxed, doesn't it? It's easy to look at Dumbledore and ask, What were you thinking when you appointed him to the position of DADA teacher?

But I think Dumbledore had a method to his madness. It was important for Harry to meet and understand Voldemort when he arrived at Hogwarts, and Quirrell allowed him to do just that. He gave Harry a taste of what he was up against.

In CoS, a competent teacher would have negated the need for several things that have proven important: There would have been no need to introduce Dobby as someone who was trying to save Harry from something terrible at Hogwarts; Dobby might also not have been freed, in which case we would never have had SPEW. Harry probably wouldn't have sought information about Hagrid--in the process discovering his innocence and learning about the acromantula (which he would need in GoF). Harry probably wouldn't have had to go into the Chamber and face Tom Riddle and do battle with the Basilisk; a competent teacher would have been the one to do it. Harry might not have learned about the source of one of the unusual powers he has (Parseltongue for example).

Harry needed Lupin in PoA, because he was the one who could tell Harry about the Marauders and introduce him to Sirius. He helped unmask Peter as the real traitor/murderer. He taught Harry to cast the Patronus Charm, which would become vital to his survival both in that book and in book 6. It also introduced us to the problems of those afflicted with lycanthropy.

Fake Moody was necessary in GoF, because without him, Harry would never have been entered in the Triwizard Tournament or "used" in Voldemort's rebirth. Indeed, Voldemort might not have had a rebirth, and Books 5-7 would not be necessary.

Umbridge was certainly necessary to show us that not all evil wizards are DEs, and we need to keep an eye out for evil in places other than the obvious (Voldemort). Her horrible methods provided the impetus for our trio to form the DA. This allowed more students from other houses to be brought forward and possibly highlighted in the next books. Umbridge also served to put Harry in a position where he felt alone--cut off from easy communication with Sirius and separated from Dumbledore--and had to make decisions on his own. (Let's hope he learned something.)

Did Dumbledore plan all of this? It's hard to say. But JKR certainly used the DADA teachers--even the crummy ones--as important plot devices. JM2K (Just my 2 knuts ...)

Solitaire

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haymoni - Nov 20, 2004 8:16 pm (#688 of 983)

I am concerned about this year's DADA teacher - anybody who is really good should be out there fighting Voldy.

Unless the Ministry recognizes that it is important now more than ever to educate students properly, I'm a bit worried at the prospects.

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Solitaire - Nov 20, 2004 9:06 pm (#689 of 983)

It is important for the Aurors to be fighting Voldemort ... but it must be taken into consideration that the kids have to be taught, and taught competently. Any more worthless teachers like Lockhart and Umbridge, and the Wizarding World can kiss several years' worth of Hogwarts kids goodbye. Then there won't be anyone to defend the Wizarding World against Voldemort.

Those kids who were in the DA are probably the best prepared of any Hogwarts kids to defend themselves, and even their knowledge and abilities are limited to what Harry was able to teach them. It's possible that the new Minister of Magic (or even Fudge, now that his eyes are opened to reality) may have enough common sense to see this position as so crucial that an Auror--or otherwise DADA-qualified Ministry official--might very well be dispatched to Hogwarts to handle the job. Let's hope so.

Solitaire

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Mara Jade - Dec 13, 2004 9:17 pm (#690 of 983)

Perhaps Dumbledore himself will step in as the new DADA teacher? After all, there doesn't seem to be anything he can't do, we know he was a teacher before he was the headmaster (yes it was as transfiguration teacher, but that doesn't mean he can't teach anything else - I'm sure Snape would be quite capable of teaching DADA even though DD wont let him), and he may feel that DADA is now too important to be handled by an incompetent teacher. And let's face it, there are probably not many people out there who know much more than Harry now.

As an extra thought, does anyone think it about time that students are taught the 'enervate' spell? Would have come in handy at the MoM...

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Kelly Kapaoski - Dec 14, 2004 4:30 am (#691 of 983)

I think Felix Felicis is either going to be the new DADA teacher or he is the half blood prince. but either way he is somehow important to the book since he has a chaper named after him.


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Paulus Maximus - Dec 14, 2004 9:41 am (#692 of 983)

Do we know that Felix Felicis is a person? It sounds like an incantation to me.

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Kelly Kapaoski - Dec 14, 2004 10:49 am (#693 of 983)

I am betting that Felix Felicis is a person; most if not all of the spells that JK Rowling has come up with are in latin or they are latin sounding. But Felix Felicis might also be the new minister of magic as well

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Paulus Maximus - Dec 14, 2004 11:27 am (#694 of 983)

Yes... and felix felicis is a Latin phrase.

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TomProffitt - Dec 16, 2004 11:22 am (#695 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
I'm with P Max, I think Felix Felicis is an incantation.

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Hollywand - Jan 1, 2005 12:22 pm (#696 of 983)

Gryffindor
Could Rowling be watching Ren and Stimpy? The Happy Happy song? Yikes. The Wizarding World has gone to the Grims. Seriously.

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TomProffitt - Jan 3, 2005 9:58 pm (#697 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
I got to thinking today that every American boy has that one young attractive unattached (at least as far as he knows, I was so devastated when Miss H got married) teacher that he has to fantasize about in High School. English boys can't be that much different.

It would be fun to have a pretty young witch as the DADA teacher, if for nothing else than to have something to tease (insert character name here, I use Neville) about.

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Solitaire - Jan 4, 2005 3:34 am (#698 of 983)

You mean like Ron teased Hermione about Lockhart? hehe

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TomProffitt - Jan 4, 2005 4:58 am (#699 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
Yeah, only a nicer person than Lockhart.

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scoop2172000 - Jan 4, 2005 1:25 pm (#700 of 983)

Somehow I can't see anyone nice or smart taking the DADA job. Word's gotten around the job is jinxed. Applicants would have to be a brainless git (like Lockhart) or nasty (like Umbridge).

I wonder if Dumbledore is finally going to be forced to let Snape teach the subject, at least on a temporary basis, if Dumbledore cannot find anyone else.

Of course, it's possible the real Moody might finally take the job.

Just some thoughts ... feel free to jump in and punch holes in them. No dungbombs please, however.

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Solitaire - Jan 4, 2005 10:55 pm (#701 of 983)
We got a teensy little preview of Snape as DADA teacher when he filled in for Remus, didn't we? Hm ... I can only say I've crossed him off my list of acceptable substitutes. I don't like it when my subs totally ignore my designated assignments and attempt to take my classes in a direction away from the carefully planned course of study I've spent hours and days designing. Nope ... Snape will NOT be covering my classes!

Solitaire

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MickeyCee3948 - Jan 5, 2005 12:05 am (#702 of 983)

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Remember Solitaire he was trying to undermine Remus. At least make himself feel that "he" could be doing a better job. He was also giving hints about Remus's condition. It worked in Hermione's case as she quickly figured it out. I imagine your students would throw as much of a fit as Remus's class did if "any" substitute attempted to change your students assignments.

Mikie

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Kerrie-Louise - Jan 5, 2005 1:27 am (#703 of 983)

DD for DADA teacher! who else could possibly be more qualified?

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Hollywand - Jan 6, 2005 10:14 pm (#704 of 983)

Gryffindor
It does set up an interesting scenario for Book Six if Severus is the DADA teacher, and he's much worse and meaner than Umbridge or any of the Death Eater imposters. HaHa.

I wonder if Severus would allow Dumbledore's Army to continue? Surely he would squelch that student's club in a heartbeat.

Hmmm, bring out the worst in Severus for Book Six.... Hmmm. He would probably be upset he wasn't teaching Potions as well......

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Kelly Kapaoski - Jan 7, 2005 5:35 am (#705 of 983)

here is a completely unorthodox idea for the new DADA teacher in book 6: Mundungus Fletcher! That way he can start selling some of those dodgy cauldrons to Neville LongBottem

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Solitaire - Jan 8, 2005 4:31 pm (#706 of 983)

I don't see Dung as much of a choice for DADA teacher. He is not very responsible. He'd probably miss class all the time, because he was out trying to line up some shady deal on the side. I do not see him as someone Dumbledore would want to serve as a role model for kids. I can think of better options.

Solitaire

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MickeyCee3948 - Jan 8, 2005 9:10 pm (#707 of 983)

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You probably wouldn't want any of the cauldrons, their bottoms might be too thin!!

Mikie

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Hollywand - Jan 9, 2005 10:13 pm (#708 of 983)

Gryffindor
Severus as Book Six DaDa teacher sets up some very interesting plot directions:

Severus and Harry are still raw from the Occlumency fiasco.

Severus' character is so ambiguous in its loyalty. The Dark Arts teaching could bring out the worst in Severus. Probably will.

It casts aspersions on the faculty member that would take Severus' position as Potions teacher----we wouldn't know which wizard to watch out for---Severus or McClaggan! ;-)

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Snuffles - Jan 10, 2005 7:37 am (#709 of 983)

Olivia
It may bring out the worst in Severus but probably the best in Harry. what better insentive to prove how good you are at DADA (look how good im getting Severus you better be worried!)than in front of the person you hate most? Also, Severus may be able to teach Harry what he needs to know to defeat LV without Harry realising it until he needs to, i.e making him stand in front of the class practising spells on him, this may seem to Harry and the rest of the class as Severus showing him how much he detests Harry but it could be his(Snapes)way of teaching him how to defend himself when the time comes without blowing his cover infront of any Slytherins.

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Hollywand - Jan 10, 2005 10:08 am (#710 of 983)

Gryffindor
I agree with your progression, Snuffles. When Severus glimpses Harry's Slytherin oriented talents in the books, it really seems to get Snape's attention significantly.

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Elanor - Jan 10, 2005 10:18 am (#711 of 983)

I agree two. It would certainly be some hard times for Harry, no doubt about that, but he would learn a lot and be able to practice defensive spells in an intensive way, no doubt about that either.

Hollywand, I think you are right when you say that "Severus glimpses Harry's Slytherin oriented talents in the books", the more because since the Occlumency lessons, Snape knows that the Sorting Hat considered putting Harry in Slytherin, it is one of the first memories Harry sees during the first Occlumency lesson.

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Hollywand - Jan 10, 2005 11:50 am (#712 of 983)

Gryffindor
That's a great insight, Elanor, about Snape's insight into Harry's sorting. It's curiously ambivalent as well, what Severus may, or the Dark Arts teacher, may do to encourage Harry's latent talent.

Um, have you been taking some private lessons from Severus I need to know about? ;-)

You know, Elanor, this exchange actually gives rise to an interesting insight-----If Harry's overarching power is Pathos--the connection between feeling, suffering and insight-----Severus, the Occlumens has a matching sort of feeling, suffering, insight but the dark side of the gift. Do you understand my analogy? Isn't that interesting?

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MickeyCee3948 - Jan 10, 2005 12:49 pm (#713 of 983)

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I don't know if I would rank Professor Snape as the person Harry hates the most. I think that spot is reserved for Voldemort. But it would definitely give Harry a change to show Snape what he knows and to learn from Snape without them being placed into a one on one type teaching environment. Probably better for both of them.

Mikie

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Elanor - Jan 10, 2005 1:15 pm (#714 of 983)

You're certainly right, Mikie, it would not be an easy situation and both of them may "lose some feathers" in the process, as we say here, but both of them would definitely learn from those lessons, on themselves and on the other one. But it would be certainly worse if they had to do the same in private again.

Hollywand, I like your idea very much. In this case, Snape can be seen as "the mirror" of Harry, his image in the dark. When Harry's feelings are turned towards the others, Snape's are turned in on himself. The mirror symbol, the couple of opposites again. If Snape is the next DADA teacher, it is very possible that both of them continue to realize, reluctantly most probably, that they have more in common than they would think, or want. There are very interesting possibilities here!

Is this what you're meaning? Er, BTW, sorry but no Occlumency lessons for me recently, not that I wouldn't try them, the Professor is as fascinating as his subject is...

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Hollywand - Jan 10, 2005 2:52 pm (#715 of 983)

Gryffindor
Yes, exactly, the Mirror concept. Exactly. Looking at Harry and Snape's relationship through this metaphor links their relationship to the other mirror-themed relationships in the books.

Just a gentle jest about the Occlumency lessons.....

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Elanor - Jan 10, 2005 3:11 pm (#716 of 983)

And it was a nice one! Actually, I would love to hear Snape's theories about alchemy... Speaking of alchemy, it would be interesting to post the remarks of the last posts on the alchemy thread, what do you think?

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Hollywand - Jan 10, 2005 4:08 pm (#717 of 983)

Gryffindor
Of course, yes, these musings would be appropriate for the alchemy thread as well. I don't know why I have not considered how Severus might approach Alchemy, that's very intriguing and a terrific insight once again!

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TGF - Jan 11, 2005 10:08 am (#718 of 983)

Anti-Voldemort Insurgent
I think if the DADA pattern (of the teacher being someone we don't know at all until the book he teaches) is ever broken, it would be in the very last book... just because that seems a bit more natural, rather than it happening in the second last book.

Still, I wouldn't mind Kingsley as a teacher. He doesn't have a specific assignment (no use pretending to chase Sirius now) and would be a really interesting teacher. I think Snape/Dumbledore should stick with their current roles for now... It seems odd that Dumbledore would have a change of heart about Snape at this juncture, and Dumbledore teaching it himself would feel odd... If he had the time to do that, then why would he EVER let Umbridge into the school?

Speaking of Umbridge, I think students are owed a good DADA teacher this year. Dumbledore owes it to the students to make up for that cow...

It's interesting to note that Moody-Crouch said in GoF that usually the Forbidden Curses would usually only be shown in 6th year, so we can (hopefully) expect more intense Dark Arts lessons in HBP.

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Choices - Jan 12, 2005 10:49 am (#719 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
For a moment my daughter was the DADA teacher last night. She is a new Ph.D (in Theology) and taught her first class last night at Catholic University in Washington, DC. She opened by saying, "Welcome to class 240.02 - Defense Against the Dark Arts". She said for a moment everybody looked startled thinking they were in the wrong class - then they caught on and started laughing. :-)

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Anamari Fernandez - Feb 7, 2005 11:36 pm (#720 of 983)

VIKTOR KRUM!!!! I'm with you all the way, maybe like this Ron can actually admit he has feelings for Hermione!!!

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Cornelia - Feb 12, 2005 7:50 am (#721 of 983)

"---students are owed a good DADA teacher this year..."

maybe there is a good teacher following on two bad/strange ones? In the first two books there were Quirrell and Lockhard then in book three the good one-Lupin. Then again two bad teachers, Fake-Moody and Umbridge.

So the first teacher is on the dark side, the second does not know what he / she is doing and the third is a really good teacher...

we will find out soon...

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Choices - Feb 12, 2005 10:17 am (#722 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Cornelia - Even though Moody was an imposter in GOF, he still was a very good and interesting DADA teacher. I think all the Hogwart's kids would agree. I think he even taught them that things and people are not always what they appear to be. CONSTANT VIGILANCE!!

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Solitaire - Feb 12, 2005 2:04 pm (#723 of 983)

While Crouch/Moody was certainly a fake and dangerous, I agree ... he did teach the kids useful magic and other important information. As Choices points out, his very fakeness was a perfect illustration for the REAL Moody's mantra: Constant Vigilance!

Solitaire

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Cornelia - Feb 13, 2005 1:01 am (#724 of 983)

okay, you win!:-)

If he hadn´t shown Harry how to fight the imperius curse he would not been able to resist LV later in GoF...

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karebear811 - Feb 14, 2005 6:01 pm (#725 of 983)

Today, as I was sitting in a boring and pointless class I started thinking about the DADA position.

Now that we know the MoM will be sending pamphlets to all wizarding families homes, and Voldy has been expoosed, wont that cause some interest in the field of DADA amoung the Wizarding community?

My thought is people will now realize that this position will be of utmost importance for students at Hogwarts, as well as the general wizarding public as well. For this reason, people who are skilled in this area, who would not otherwise consider teaching a subject such as this may now realize the importance it has. This may mean that DD will finaly have a number of applicants for the position, and be able to fill it with someone qualified, competent and interesting.

Now, I wouldnt be suprised if JKR used a preexisting charater for this position, and I cant even begin to guess who that may be (although I would LOVE to see Lupin or even Moody). One thing I think may be interesting is if it is a new charater that it would most likely be a friend of Lily's.

In Harry's 3d year, he had a comptent, non Voldy teacher. Now to follow the pattern, he could have another competent skilled teacher. I believe I have read in many JKR interviews that we will find out the significance of Harry's eyes in connection to Lily's. Wouldnt it make sense then, considering we learned about his connections to his father from his fathers friend who was a teacher, that we learn about his connection to his mother from his mothers friend?

Just some thoughts. Sorry that was long, I'm still new to this site and am trying to get all my thoughts out at once on these topics.

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dizzy lizzy - Feb 14, 2005 11:40 pm (#726 of 983)

There is more to life than increasing its speed: Mahatama Ghandi.
Now that we know the MoM will be sending pamphlets to all wizarding families homes, and Voldy has been expoosed, wont that cause some interest in the field of DADA amoung the Wizarding community? karebear811

It's a good point. I've never considered what the reaction is going to be of all these pamphlets whizzing around the place. I'm really curious now to see how the muggle families cope with these pamphlets.

It's also good you have pointed out the awareness of the need for DADA, and the increased chance of getting a good teacher as a result of those pamphlets. Again it is something I haven't thought about either.

Perhaps then you won't mind if I toddle off for a cuppa tea and a think about this...

Lizzy

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Phelim Mcintyre - Feb 15, 2005 6:18 am (#727 of 983)

Did the fake Moody plan to teach Harry how to fight the Imperius Curse? At the time DD did not suspect, as far as I am aware, that Moody was an imposter. If Moody asked DD's permission to teach about the forbidden curses DD would stil have trusted the fake Moody enough to aloow this to happen. So the Imperious Curse may have been a test on how effective Crouch's teaching had been.

As to the next DADA teacher, Malfoy was quoted on how wonderful Umbrdige was. Malfoy has now been exposed as a Death Eater. I think that this will have a bearing on how effective the new DADA professor is. The public and the ministry will want to distance themselves from Malfoy and his oppinions and allow DADA to be taught properly.

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TomProffitt - Feb 15, 2005 9:32 am (#728 of 983)

Bullheaded empiricist
When I think of the Ministry Self-Defense Pamphlets I think of a government trying to cover itself in public opinion and not one that's actually trying to do anything. I imagine the pamphlets are worthless aids for anything other than calming nerves and fears.

I would think that any prospective teacher that came forward as a result of them would be one who would like to say that he did something rather than actually have to fight a Dark Wizard himself. I don't view this in a positive light myself, but I guess if someone was worried about their family and couldn't bear the thought of doing nothing it might not be so bad.

I would think that most doers would want to do something more direct than teach school. (After all, they're not going to realize the significance of Harry and the Prophecy.)

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Solitaire - Feb 15, 2005 11:53 pm (#729 of 983)

I agree that a good DADA professor is a must this year. We have seen a couple of people (Moody, Shacklebolt, Remus) who would fit the bill nicely. Since I personally feel Hogwarts will actually see some sort of assault on its premises, I think it would be nice to have an auror or two in residence. Perhaps Dumbledore will feel the same. Maybe the REAL Moody will give DADA a whirl.

Interestingly, I am not sure the parents really will say much, one way or the other, unlike one poster has suggested. Other than Meddling Malfoy--who clearly likes to throw his weight around--most kids' parents do seem to have a pretty "hands off" policy at Hogwarts, all things considered. I don't recall seeing either the Creevys, the Finch-Fletchleys, the Clearwaters, or the Grangers at Hogwarts when the kids were petrified. The Weasleys were called, but that is because Ginny was actually taken into the Chamber ... and probably presumed dead.

The Montagues showed up when their son continued to remain disoriented following his sojourn in the toilet (after being stuffed in the vanishing cupboard by F&G). Marietta's mother, however, was not among the Ministry contingent to visit Hogwarts on the infamous day when Fudge tried to arrest Dumbledore. And there seems to have been no inquest launched into Cedric's death.

All of this makes me doubt we will see too much insistence by too many parents on the nature of any teachers or courses at Hogwarts.

Solitaire

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TGF - Feb 16, 2005 12:10 am (#730 of 983)

Anti-Voldemort Insurgent
I think most Muggle-born children would be pretty gone if they ever learned what happens/potentially could happen to their kids in Hogwarts. I mean, really now, do any parents among us want to give us a sample reaction to: "Dear Mr/Ms. ______, Today your child was frozen into a comatose state of virtual death. Please do not be alarmed at this news, as we shall have him/her cured within the next few months."

I think, in the case of Muggle-born wizards, it's a matter of ignorance rather than of apathy. After all, with Hogwarts having gone on as long as it has, it's likely they've realized that keeping silent on magical incidents is good for enrollment.

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dizzy lizzy - Feb 16, 2005 12:23 am (#731 of 983)

There is more to life than increasing its speed: Mahatama Ghandi.
I imagine the pamphlets are worthless aids for anything other than calming nerves and fears. tomproffitt

That's true, but I wonder if it means there will be a lot of uncalm parents as a result.

Yes it would be good if the next DADA teacher had a reasonable level of competence. As to whether the pamphlets help or hinder the appointment or do nothing to influence potential teachers I still don't know.

I think TGF has it right in her post about the apathy of parents of Muggle born wizards. But I wonder wether this apathy is about to be destroyed, by a combination of the pamphlets and events directly relating to Voldemort.

Lizzy

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TGF - Feb 16, 2005 12:37 am (#732 of 983)

Anti-Voldemort Insurgent
"I think TGF has it right in her post about the apathy of parents of Muggle born wizards."

I'm glad you agree with me, but I'm a he, not a her. Razz

Wait... are they going to send the home defense pamphlets to Wizards whose family are MUGGLES? What the heck will that acheive? I thought the wording of the thing was 'Wizarding households'... there's no way they're going to send them to Muggle families.
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dizzy lizzy - Feb 16, 2005 12:46 am (#733 of 983)

There is more to life than increasing its speed: Mahatama Ghandi.
Oops...TGF: now where did I get the idea to put an "s" in front of "he" .

It is interesting you think the muggle households with wizards won't get the pamphlets. I interpreted the phrase "wizarding household" in the books to include those muggle households with wizards. I just made the assumption at the time that they needed the information just as much as the non-muggle wizarding families.

If anything, the muggle born wizards are at the most risk from Voldemort and his minions because of their opinions about muggle born wizards.

I'll have to think about this one.

Lizzy

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TGF - Feb 16, 2005 12:57 am (#734 of 983)

Anti-Voldemort Insurgent
T'sokay, I think the board has a slight female majority, and my name isn't exactly gender specific, is it?

Anyway,,, this is a Muggle household can't DO magic. What would the home defense pamphlet have that would be of any help to a Muggle?

"In the case that you are tortured by Death Eaters, please do not scream too loud, we have secrecy provisions you know."

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Solitaire - Feb 16, 2005 8:36 am (#735 of 983)

TGF is right about Muggle parents pulling their kids if they knew half what was going on ... As a teacher, I see the stuff that gets Muggle parents up in arms on a daily basis. I can tell you some come blazing in with both guns firing if their kid is even the target of a remark they don't like ... let alone a killing or petrifying stare from a Basilisk set loose upon the school!

Snape would never have lasted more than a year at my school, with his abusive remarks. It wouldn't even have mattered that most of them were aimed at Harry; the kids would have reported them at home, and parents would have been calling and coming in to talk about him. Snape would have been on probation within a week, and there would have been several letters in his file. His lengthy homework assignments would have come under fire, as well. After all, most kids have after-school Quidditch practice (hehe) or transfiguration lessons, and they can't be writing those lengthy reports on the properties of various potion ingredients every time some kid gets a wrong answer in class. Alas ... he'd have been out by the end of the first term!

Solitaire

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timrew - Feb 16, 2005 5:02 pm (#736 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Solitaire: Maybe the REAL Moody will give DADA a whirl.

What I've said all along. The real Moody was hit in the battle at the MOM, for which he was brought out of retirement. He may be not as good 'in the field' any more; but who is to say that he won't make an excellent DADA teacher?

This could be added to his being a bodyguard for Harry, alongside DD.

As for Malfoy's influence.......that disappeared when his Dad went to Azkaban. He has lost all credibility at Hogwarts, along with Crabbe and Goyle.

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I Am Used Vlad - Feb 16, 2005 5:14 pm (#737 of 983)

I Am Almighty!
Tim, I thought you were for the portrait of Phineas Nigellus.

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timrew - Feb 16, 2005 5:38 pm (#738 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
That was my second choice, Vlad......and third was Dobby.

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I Am Used Vlad - Feb 16, 2005 5:46 pm (#739 of 983)

I Am Almighty!
I always loved the idea of Phineas. He might hang around longer than the other DADA teachers.

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Choices - Feb 16, 2005 6:43 pm (#740 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
What more could happen to him - he's already dead!! So much for the position being jinxed. LOL

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TGF - Feb 16, 2005 7:00 pm (#741 of 983)

Anti-Voldemort Insurgent
And whenever Harry feels like fooling around in class, he can just go up to the front of the room, knock over/cover up the portrait, and then do as he wishes.

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Quidditch Mom - Feb 26, 2005 11:17 am (#742 of 983)

Edited by Denise P. Feb 28, 2005 6:26 am
This comment goes back to those in the #730 - 740 range...I don't intend to start an off-the-wall political discussion, but rather comment on a theme throughout all 7 books.

When you think about it, there are many parallels between terrorism and Vold War II -- the impacts on both a personal and governmental level. I expect Jo will show some kind of equivalent reactions in the wizarding community to Voldemort's return. I'm sure she will handle it with her usual sensitivity, grace and wit. I hope books 6 and 7 will become a springboard for thoughtful discussion of terror in the world today, and both the positive and negative ways in which we deal with it.

Edit: I deleted a section that was not appropriate for the Fourm. This is not the place to debate controversial or political topics. Denise P.

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Solitaire - Feb 27, 2005 4:48 pm (#743 of 983)

Gee, QM, I kind of hope the opposite. One of the things that sets this forum apart from others is that political and religious commentary are eschewed. So many people from so many backgrounds post here that I personally believe such a discussion--no matter how well-intentioned--would ultimately wind up hurting or upsetting some posters.

If such a discussion is started, I do hope it is confined to a single, clearly-defined thread, so that those of us who wish to avoid political commentary are not bombarded by it in every thread we read.

Solitaire

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pottermom34 - Feb 27, 2005 9:37 pm (#744 of 983)

I agree with Solitaire I don't think that type of discussion would be very appropriate here, not only because of the various backgrounds, but also because I'm sure there are probably kids that may be reading some of these posts.

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Denise P. - Feb 28, 2005 7:27 am (#745 of 983)

Ravenclaw Pony
Since this Fourm exists to discuss Harry Potter, it really is not the appropriate place to start a discussion as proposed by Quidditch Mom. I realize it was just a suggestion but just to make it clear before it starts, this is not the place to have that discussion.

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Quidditch Mom - Feb 28, 2005 12:57 pm (#746 of 983)

I'm new to posting, and don't take offense at all at having boundaries pointed out. I trust the mods to know where to draw the line. I apologize -- I'm still learning the ropes. I've not had time for hobbies the past few years, and for some reason Harry Potter books, and more recently websites, have become my hobby. Keeps me sane and distracted from other aspects of my life. So, I'm 110% behind keeping the topic on Harry.

That said, the point I was trying to make before...kids need extra support during this scary Voldemort-really-is-back time, especially living so far from family. I imagine many first years will be very frightened, or mom and dad may even want to wait a year before sending them off. Those from muggle households may not have a clue what they are in for. If Hogwarts ever needed a good DADA teacher, this is the year.

JKR is a former teacher, and there are many teachable moments that spring from Voldemort's return. Kids need to learn more than just how to protect themselves. They need to learn how to face their fears and how to be responsible and safe during times of war.

Prejudice has been a theme, as well, mostly in terms of pureblood prejudice against mudbloods. But, Harry and Ron have a bit to learn in that regard, too. I'm pretty sure not all Slytherins are Junior Death Eaters. It will be interesting to see how that plot point plays out.

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Albus Silente - Mar 9, 2005 10:51 am (#747 of 983)

Sorry, I don't have any clue who might be the new DADA teacher, but I have some theory. Maybe it has already been discussed, so I apologize for it.
Well, Hagrid (I think it was him) told us that people thought the DADA job was jinxed. And if it really had been jinxed by SNAPE? After their experience with this lovable woman nearly as nice as Sirius' mother, commonly known as Umbridge, perhaps he has lifted the jinx and therefore a new, reliable and competent teacher will come to Hogwarts (and hopefully remain).

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Hollywand - Mar 11, 2005 9:20 pm (#748 of 983)

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You know, Albus Silente, that's a very interesting idea. With Lucius Malfoy on the Hogwarts Board, his cache of Dark Arts Black Market Items, and his desire to undermine Dumbledore, Lucius could have jinxed the position. Hmmm.

Maybe now that Lucius is incarcerated, the DADA position won't be so problematic. ;-)

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Choices - Mar 12, 2005 10:38 am (#749 of 983)

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I have a problem with thinking that something non-solid (for want of a better term for it) can be jinxed. The DADA teacher job is a position - it isn't tangible - so can a jinx be put on an intangible thing? I tend to think not. I think it just seems as if the position is jinxed because of the bad luck that seems to befall those taking the job.

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Hollywand - Mar 12, 2005 2:04 pm (#750 of 983)

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Hi Choices---Think of the infamous DA contract Hermione jinxed. Perhaps the magical teaching contract signed by the instructor could be jinxed. Perhaps the Quibbler ads for new faculty are jinxed. Perhaps the office the facutly uses has a mysterious jinx. ;-) Magic makes many things possible....

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Choices - Mar 12, 2005 7:38 pm (#751 of 983)
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Yes, those things are all tangible, so I can see that they could be jinxed - I just don't buy that theory though. Dumbledore selects (except for Umbridge) the new DADA teacher and interviews them and sees to the signing of the contract (if indeed all that is done), so when would Snape have the opportunity of entering Dumbledore's office and throwing a jinx on the applicant? How embarrassing if it turned out to be someone applying for another position and Snape jinxed them. I think Dumbledore is smart enough to spot a jinx when he sees one and I think Snape has better things to be going on with......plus I don't think he is that petty.

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Wand Maker - Mar 12, 2005 7:51 pm (#752 of 983)

While I agree that it isn't likely that the job is jinxed, it is possible that something like the DADA office or some other tangible item that would be used on a regular basis by the DADA professor is jinxed.

It is quite likely that since a (regular, average, normal) person hasn't held the position of DADA teacher since quirrel or earlier, the 'uniqueness' of the teachers since then made it more difficult for them to hold onto the job without their 'uniqueness' causing issues that are a detriment to their position.

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Choices - Mar 12, 2005 8:02 pm (#753 of 983)

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Yes, since all the DADA teachers, starting with Quirrell, have had very unique problems - from Voldemort living in the back of their head, to being an egotistical fraud, to being a werewolf, to being an imposter, to being just plain mean and hateful. How a jinx could have caused all those problems - since at least some of them existed before the teacher took the job - I don't know.

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Solitaire - Mar 12, 2005 11:28 pm (#754 of 983)

I'm with you on this one, Choices. Quirrell's problems were created by Quirrell himself having allowed Voldemort to take up residence in the back of his head.

Lockhart was an egotistical, incompetent fool. As a school governor, Lucius would have known of Lockhart's hiring. I believe he took advantage of Lockhart's egotism and incompetence and decided this was the year to reopen the Chamber. He knew Lockhart was too big a coward to really attempt anything truly heroic. He also knew he could bully the other governors into dismissing Dumbledore, thereby assuring that Harry would most likely step into the breach. Lockhart's ultimate downfall was the result of a curse intended to harm Harry. **tsk! tsk!**

Remus was a wonderful DADA teacher and would have continued to be so, had not Snape's vindictiveness ruined his chances. In a way, Snape is responsible for what followed Remus. **big sigh** I hope he is happy.

Moody certainly was never actually able to perform his job, since he was overpowered and disabled before he ever left his home. Barty, Jr., despite being a servant of Voldemort, actually did manage to teach Harry and the kids some fairly useful stuff. He did come to a sad end, but that had nothing to do with the job. Fudge and his Dementor took care of that.

Like Quirrell, Dolores was evil before she ever got to Hogwarts. Her hunger for power--carried out via lies, torture, and self-promotion--proved to be her downfall. Those faults were in place long before we met her.

I don't see the position as being jinxed. The teachers themselves--or those who were plotting against them--were the "jinxes." JM2K ...

Solitaire

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Phelim Mcintyre - Mar 14, 2005 5:27 am (#755 of 983)

Within psychology, there is the idea of self-fulfilling prophecy. Basically you believe something until it happens. It is possible that the DADA post "jinx" works in the same way. You jinx yourself by believing the post is jinxed. If that makes sense.

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frogface - Mar 14, 2005 3:55 pm (#756 of 983)

I see what you mean but I don't think you can apply it to the DADA posistion. The self-fulfilling prophecy works in a different way, I.E if Harry believes he can defeat Voldemort then he probably will, whereas if he doesn't believe he can, he probably won't. But I can't see Moody believing himself into a trunk for nine months Razz

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Choices - Mar 14, 2005 6:35 pm (#757 of 983)

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Or Lupin wishing to be a werewolf so he can be shunned by society and poor and not be able to hold a teaching position.

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Aqualu Nifey - Mar 28, 2005 9:16 pm (#758 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
Right, I don't think anyone's mentioned this, but I have a thought. It seems to me as though all the DADA teachers have tied in with the title in some way. Quirrel was AFTER the Philsopher's/Sorcerer's Stone. Lockhart is the exception, but he was claiming to know everything about the Chamber of Secrets. Lupin was best mates with the Prisoner of Azkaban. "Moody" bewitched the Goblet of Fire. And Umbridge was trying to silence the Order of the Phoenix. Just my two knuts.

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frogface - Apr 11, 2005 4:28 am (#759 of 983)

A quick question to keep this thread alive and interesting, do people hope that the next DADA teacher will be a new character, or one we've already met? Personally I'd like to see the pattern broken and have a new character introduced through some other way, for instance the new Minister for Magic or something, what do the rest of you think?

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Ydnam96 - Apr 11, 2005 7:55 am (#760 of 983)

I would like to see Snape teach it actually. Just to see what he would do. Maybe his mood would change and he would be "happy"?? I think he does have a lot to offer the students.

Unfortunately I do not think that JK would do that. Perhaps DD will step in and take it over in these dire circumstances.

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Choices - Apr 11, 2005 10:25 am (#761 of 983)

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I would like to see the return of Lupin or the real Mad-Eye as DADA teacher. Kingsley Shacklebolt also would be good.

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Solitaire - Apr 11, 2005 10:25 pm (#762 of 983)

Unless things change and parents and Governors request his return, Lupin would seem to be "disqualified" from working at Hogwarts, thanks to Snape's little "disclosure." It is quite possible that one or more of the aurors we have met thus far could fill the position. Since Moody was originally one of the choices, I think he could certainly be tapped again--for real, this time.

Solitaire

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Catherine - Apr 13, 2005 1:56 pm (#763 of 983)

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I'd love to see the real Moody as DADA teacher, too, Solitaire. I'm not sure it could happen given that Moody has such a reputation for paranoia (although if an escaped Death Eater really is after you and wants to impersonate you for 9 months and imprison you in your own trunk, I guess you're justified ).

Rita managed to convey to the public in GoF that Dumbledore has made errors in judgment in hiring at Hogwarts, and Moody was listed among the controversial choices. Even on a good day, Moody is somewhat eccentric (sniffs food, can see through solid objects and clothing, has a bizarre appearance), and this doesn't work in his favor.

The students have been introduced to Dark Creatures and Curses. I'm wondering what, besides actual defense, they still need to learn. Perhaps dealing with cursed objects? We still haven't found out what Lucius Malfoy has under his drawing room floor, or what some of the objects in 12 GP were designed to do.

So I think that if we don't see a completely new person teaching DADA, it won't be a repeat of Moody or Lupin, as much as I'd enjoy reading about that. Perhaps Tonks needs some time to recuperate physically, so she teaches at Hogwarts, or Bill Weasley puts his Curse-Breaking experience to work in the DADA classroom.

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Solitaire - Apr 14, 2005 1:59 am (#764 of 983)

Moody reminds me of that old joke that says "just because they ARE after you doesn't mean you aren't paranoid!" I think that may well apply to Moody. Still, extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures. I suspect we may see one or more of our Aurors at Hogwarts over the next two years. The kids simply MUST receive some competent training if they are to survive this war, and a "team teaching" situation might also suffice. Additionally, it may become necessary to have the Aurors at Hogwarts for safety's sake, as well. Putting one or two of them on staff could serve dual purposes.

Solitaire

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Ponine - Apr 14, 2005 3:31 am (#765 of 983)

I reject your reality and substitute my own!
I personally think we will see a woman in this position now, as all other DADA teachers (six?) that I can think of have been male. I am thinking a young auror like Tonks might be our next DADA prof. IF not, I am hoping for Snape.

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Cornelia - Apr 14, 2005 4:08 am (#766 of 983)

the toad was female

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Sconie Girl - Apr 15, 2005 10:18 am (#767 of 983)

Personally, I would like to see what Snape would do as DADA teacher. I think it would be tough for him to be in a class w/ Harry in which he (Harry) excels. Think of the frustration for poor Snape when Harry is doing NEWT level work a year early,; nothing to criticize!

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S.E. Jones - Apr 15, 2005 11:01 am (#768 of 983)

Let it snow!
Oh, I'm sure he'd find something to criticize. He may even pull and Umbridge and take points off for stupid things like Harry not raising his hand, or not opening his book fast enough. He may even just flunk Harry for some absurd reason.

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frogface - Apr 16, 2005 3:44 am (#769 of 983)

He may do that, however it could be a nice opportunity for a grudging respect to start rising between them, a lot of people think that Harry and Snape may have to put their differences aside and team up at a point in the last two books. I think that would make interesting reading as well as inserting important messages about forgiveness into the books as well as predujice (after all Snape judges Harry all the time but when it comes down to it he doesn't know much about Harry's personality at all it would appear) But this is getting dangerously close to something that should be taken to the Snape thread so i'll end my musings right about....here Smile

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Solitaire - Apr 16, 2005 1:13 pm (#770 of 983)

I just do not see Snape as having the temperament for the DADA class--even if the "Harry factor" were removed. Dumbledore obviously didn't, either, considering how long Snape was at Hogwarts before Harry arrived.

Despite his gruff manner, even fake Moody only threatened one kid--Draco. I think the real Moody could work with the kids. His gruff manner would be easily understood by most. Remus was best of all, I think, because he understood the kids' apprehension over a difficult subject, and he was encouraging and helpful rather than belittling and nasty. The DADA teacher must be both knowledgeable and helpful. Snape never is conciliating in any way, and I think kids would be even more frightened of him in DADA class than they are in potions.

Solitaire

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timrew - Apr 16, 2005 3:57 pm (#771 of 983)

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So far in the five books published we've had a bad DADA teacher (Quirrell), a bad (or at least cowardly and bungling) DADA teacher (Lockhart), a good DADA teacher (Lupin), what we thought was a good DADA teacher who turned out to be a bad one (Fake Moody/Crouch Jr.), and an extremely bad DADA teacher (Dolores Umbridge).

So ain't it about time we got a good one again? I mean, times are going to be bad enough for Harry and Co. outside Hogwarts. Why should JKR make it bad for him inside the school walls as well?

I don't see Snape as the DADA teacher (unless he has a personality transplant).

Like Solitaire and Catherine, I'd like to see the real Alastor Moody as the new DADA teacher. I've said it before (on this very thread if you care to go back a few hundred posts!), The Order will need all the members it has to fight Voldemort and his DEs; but I believe they can (and should) spare Moody.

First of all, he was retired as an Auror (he's getting on a bit!), and I don't think he can 'cut the mustard' in a fight any more. He didn't last long in the MOM battle. But as a DADA teacher I believe he would be brilliant. He knows every trick in the book, and he would have a lot to teach Harry and the other members of Dumbledore's Army. He could also keep a 'magical' eye on things in Hogwarts, and report back to the Order if anything seems amiss.

Plus, if we end up with another bad DADA teacher in the Half-Blood Prince I'll thtamp and thtamp and sqwueam till I toin poiple! Thee if I don't!

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Solitaire - Apr 16, 2005 5:45 pm (#772 of 983)

He could also keep a 'magical' eye on things in Hogwarts

I think Dumbledore may want to have an Auror at Hogwarts this year. Heck, if he expected trouble in Harry's fourth year--before Voldemort was reborn--what is he expecting now that Voldemort is back? I look for trouble to come to Hogwarts in the last two books. I will be surprised if there is not at least one "showdown battle" there.

We have been primed to expect an invasion from without since learning about all of the secret passages, the Basilisk moving around the pipes, etc. We know Hogwarts is vulnerable now ... and I expect to see the security breached this coming year.

Bring on the Aurors ... we will need them!

Solitaire

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Weeny Owl - Apr 16, 2005 10:30 pm (#773 of 983)

Moody would be a good teacher, he would be doing something important for the war effort, and he would keep that little blond ferret in line even if he wasn't actually the one who hexed said ferret in the first place.

Moody might have been the best in his day, but he really shouldn't be in the field, and teaching would be good for everyone concerned.

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pottermom34 - Apr 18, 2005 6:48 am (#774 of 983)

Moody would be a good teacher but actually even though it wasn't the real Moody, JKR already tried that, so it probably won't be Moody.
Snape won't be because Harry is to good at DADA. Although he would try, to criticize Harry he would end up only being nit picky.
I think the new DADA teacher will be someone totally new, perhaps the character that was mentioned that looks lionish.
But that's just what I think. I could be wrong it's been known to happen.

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S.E. Jones - Apr 18, 2005 9:22 pm (#775 of 983)

Let it snow!
I, for one, would like to see another woman in the role.

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Catherine - Apr 19, 2005 6:40 am (#776 of 983)

Canon Seeker
I would also like to see another woman in the position of DADA teacher. That's one reason I suggested Tonks, although I don't see that as likely.

Phooey.

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Solitaire - Apr 19, 2005 7:26 am (#777 of 983)

She makes as much sense as anyone else, Catherine. I think Dumbledore may want to have an Auror or two on the premises this year. If we know that Hogwarts is vulnerable, Dumbledore certainly knows.

Tonks and Moody might make a good pair to take over the DADA classes. At the very least, his paranoia coupled with her irreverence and klutziness would provide some major comic relief--and I suspect we will need some in this book.

Solitaire

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Choices - Apr 19, 2005 10:39 am (#778 of 983)

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The only female I feel is powerful enough to take over the DADA position with authority is McGonagall and I don't think it likely she will give up teaching Transfiguration. I like the character of Tonks, but I don't think she is experienced or powerful enough to do justice to the teaching of DADA.

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Solitaire - Apr 19, 2005 11:13 am (#779 of 983)

Tonks may not be as experienced or powerful as other potential teachers, but I'll bet she is better than Lockhart, Umbridge or Quirrell. Of course, I realize that isn't saying a heck of a lot in her favor!

I would still like to see a team approach in DADA this time. I think it would be a good way to keep various Aurors on the Hogwarts grounds at all times.

Solitaire

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Choices - Apr 19, 2005 12:47 pm (#780 of 983)

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Solitaire - "I would still like to see a team approach in DADA this time. I think it would be a good way to keep various Aurors on the Hogwarts grounds at all times."

I like that idea, but since being an Auror is probably more than a full time job, would they really have the time to be teachers also?

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MickeyCee3948 - Apr 19, 2005 3:00 pm (#781 of 983)

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Choices considering that Hogwarts will probably be very high on Voldemort's list of things to do it makes sense. Have the Auror's teach and be at a hot spot for the WWII at the same time.

Mikie

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Solitaire - Apr 19, 2005 4:46 pm (#782 of 983)

I do believe that Hogwarts is going to be a target of Voldemort's in this war. It is vulnerable from several points, and I look for a showdown on its grounds before the saga is over. What's more, I suspect some teachers and students will not survive the battle. This is why I believe an Auror or two may be presssed into service on the Hogwarts staff.

Since I can't see taking Aurors out of commission for an entire year, I wonder if they might not rotate some of the Order members throughout the year. I realize it does not fit the pattern of the past, but it would certainly be a way to expose the students to the best of the Aurors and their individual skills. JM2K, of course ...

Solitaire

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Choices - Apr 19, 2005 5:14 pm (#783 of 983)

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We know of only two Aurors that are definitely on Dumbledore's side - Kingsley and Tonks. What about the others? It might depend on how soon into book 6 Fudge is ousted from office. He may just be a bit ticked off at Dumbledore for causing him to look like a stupid git for not believing Voldemort was back. He is the Auror's boss and just might not want to send them to work for Dumbledore at Hogwarts. A new Minister, supposing he/she is favorable to Dumbledore, might be willing to send Aurors there. I think we'll have to wait and see.

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Finn BV - Apr 19, 2005 5:40 pm (#784 of 983)

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How do we know that there is definitely going to be a DADA "class"? Is it anywhere remotely possible that Hogwarts will be so caught up (not in the beginning of the book but near the middle of the year) with the war that when students need it, only the three major subjects that could help one in "battle" - Charms, Transfig. and DADA - would be held, and all the teachers would pool their resources and skills? I'm not sure if this is really what's going to happen, but it should be taken into consideration.

Edit: Oh, I also wanted to mention that this is a possibility of how we will not lose Snape to Harry possibly not taking Potions. Maybe this is how Snape will finally get the DADA job.

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Solitaire - Apr 19, 2005 11:45 pm (#785 of 983)

Well, there have been wizarding wars before--the last was when James and Lily were in Hogwarts--and DADA still seems to have been taught. If anything, it would seem to be MORE important, so students can defend themselves.

Solitaire

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frogface - Apr 20, 2005 1:53 am (#786 of 983)

I think Dumbledore would want to keep the school running as normal as possible, just like during his absense in CoS. But I agree that its likely that an emphasis will be put on the DADA subject, and an exceptional teacher is going to be needed to help the children learn defense as much as possible. I think its quite likely that someone from the Order could be asked to step up as a teacher. After all remember that Harry is the key to winning this war, and Harry is at Hogwarts, and Dumbledore will want to keep him as safe as possible. I still think that possibly Dumbledore or the new teacher (providing they're pro Harry/Dumbledore!) might possibly coach Harry privately. I think he's going to need it, and I think it would be a good idea to keep the DA going to. But we can only wait and see!

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Solitaire - Apr 20, 2005 11:10 am (#787 of 983)

After the Umbridge fiasco, I hope whoever winds up as Minister of Magic uses more common sense with regard to interference in the business and goings-on at Hogwarts. Deliberately appointing someone who is anti-Dumbledore was a really stupid move and hurt the school. A whole year of valuable learning time in an important subject was lost to the majority of the students due to Umbridge's handling--or rather mishandling--of things. Bad move!

Solitaire

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timrew - Apr 20, 2005 2:59 pm (#788 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Choices: He is the Auror's boss and just might not want to send them to work for Dumbledore at Hogwarts...........re Fudge.

Yes, but he couldn't say this to Moody, because Moody is officially retired, and not working for Fudge any more.

And also, throwing his weight around would make Fudge look an even bigger 'stupid git' than he is already.

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Choices - Apr 20, 2005 7:06 pm (#789 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I agree timrew - Moody is a free agent now that he is retired - he can go where he pleases without Fudge's approval. I'd love to see the real Moody have a chance to show what he can do with the DADA position.

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Finn BV - Apr 25, 2005 4:15 pm (#790 of 983)

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Having the real Moody be the DADA teacher is slightly redundant, and not quite the best of what I think JKR has stored in that fantastic brain of hers. I don't think Moody would bring anything new to the classroom. The real Moody's the one who says "Constant Vigilance," because I sure don't think Crouch Jr. made that up! Just doesn't sound like his personality. Getting more Constant Vigilance would just go back to redundancy. The real Moody would likely teach the Unforgivables again, just because Crouch Jr. was exceptionally good at portraying what the real Moody would be like.

I think, to "move things along," JKR's got to come up with a new DADA teacher every year.

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Phelim Mcintyre - May 30, 2005 3:11 am (#791 of 983)

As Moody is a free agent this allows Dumbledore to place him where he sees fit. Moody is too valuable a resource to tie up in Hogwarts. Kingsley, Tonks, and Arthur are all full time at the ministry. Lupin is ruled out as (a) a werewolf and (b) too close to Harry. Molly is not experienced enough in DADA and is too close to those involved. Here strength is running the headquarters. Bill is too important in his role at Gringotts until we know what side the Goblins are taking.

Of the Order this leaves Deadulus, who is in too much awe of Harry, Emiline Vance, Strugis Pudmore. We know little about Emiline, and Sturgis was sent to Azkaban so he may not be the right person. If it is someone from the Order that we know of, if would be Sturgis or Emiline. But they will be too busy. Also we know their names, and the DADA lecturer has always been a new name for that book.

Who though were the rear guard? There are other people who may be appropriate who we do not know about.

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frogface - May 30, 2005 3:33 am (#792 of 983)

I don't think we can say that any member is too valuable to place at Hogwarts to be honest. After all, the head of the order is at Hogwarts, as is Snape. Besides the job also includes training and protecting Harry which is very valuable as he is the key to victory. I would like to see someone we've already met teaching for a change. I think that, if anything, would break redundancy. In OotP Rowling positively broke down the barrier between Harry's two lives: the one at Privat Drive and the one at Hogwarts clashed together right at the begining of the book. I'd like to see her do a similar thing in the next book and break the pattern we've had so far with the DADA teacher. But I won't be disapointed if its a new character again, as its always interesting to meet new characters.

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Solitaire - May 30, 2005 1:30 pm (#793 of 983)

I believe that the DADA position is of premiere importance at this time--especially after the mess Umbridge made of things--so the very best teacher needs to be in place. After all, this generation of Wizards must assume their place in the WW very shortly, and they will need to know how to defend themselves and others.

The DA may be up-to-speed--as far as Harry was able to prepare them in their limited time--but there are many kids who did not have the benefit of those meetings and practices. The DADA teacher will have a lot of ground to make up, I think.

Solitaire

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Netherlandic - May 30, 2005 1:35 pm (#794 of 983)

Why wouldn't Dumbledore teach it himself? It is after all, of vital importance now.

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Solitaire - May 30, 2005 1:37 pm (#795 of 983)

He very well may. He is certainly the best qualified, IMO.

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frogface - May 30, 2005 2:36 pm (#796 of 983)

He would be giving himself a lot to do if he did take on the job. First of all he has to run the school, second he has the run the order, and third he would have to teach. The first two jobs are extremely important and I'm not sure there would be many people DD could trust with them, espcially the running of the order.

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Choices - May 30, 2005 2:38 pm (#797 of 983)

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Dumbledore may be anticipating an attack on Hogwarts and would want to fill the place will highly qualified people to defend it. I think the DADA teacher will be of vital importance. Since each DADA teacher so far has been someone we have not met before (I think I'm correct in that), I think it will be a new character.

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Steve Newton - May 30, 2005 4:19 pm (#798 of 983)

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I think that if Dumbledore does teach DADA in HBP that it would strengthen the case that he will die. I cannot see the revolving DADA position as changing.

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Netherlandic - May 31, 2005 11:41 am (#799 of 983)

And then Snape finally as DADA teacher in year 7?

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frogface - May 31, 2005 1:27 pm (#800 of 983)

I'd like to see Lupin come back and teach by the end of the series. He has been the best teacher so far. Maybe if a cure is found for him, or the wizarding world learns to be more accepting of his condition and accepts him as DD did. I certainly hope so anyway.

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VeronikaG - Jun 29, 2005 1:01 pm (#801 of 983)
All of the DAD teachers have had a very strong trait in their personality that more or less identified them. Quirrel was nervous, Lockhart vain, Lupin mysterious, Moody-Crouch scary and Umbridge plain unpleasant.

I think the new teacher will be very competent and experienced, but have a less than sparkly personality. He's very down to earth, and presents the subject in a cold hard facts kind of way that makes the students leave the classroom a bit depressed and scared. Harry and his friends won't appreciate him at first, they'll think he's boring, dry and depressive. Out of all the strong personalities the kids have met in this position the new guy will most resemble Lupin but not have his ability to get the students interested nor his positive attitude. During the year the students will come to realize this is a very good teacher after all, he'll come in extremely handy on several occations, but just as they start to like him, he has to go.

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jun 29, 2005 1:41 pm (#802 of 983)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
So Veronika? Are you suggesting the "real" Moody will be the new DADA teacher? :-)

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Solitaire - Jun 29, 2005 7:00 pm (#803 of 983)

As long as the new DADA teacher is competent and fair, I don't think there will be any problem getting the students interested in the subject matter ... even if he has a personality as dull as Professor Binns. DADA is a fascinating and now very necessary subject and one of the few which seems to interest everyone.

Solitaire

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VeronikaG - Jun 30, 2005 12:07 pm (#804 of 983)

The real Moody isn't boring. He's quite funny really. No, I more think it could be a guy who doesn't really have any charm at all, not really a personality. That would alientate him from the students, as they can't get to know him.

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 1, 2005 8:22 pm (#805 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
I agree whole - heartedly with the essay on this subject... that's around here somewhere... And I think that the new DADA teacher will relate to the "Half-Blood Prince" in some way as all the other DADA teachers have related to the title in some way with the possible exception being Lockhart.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 2, 2005 10:05 am (#806 of 983)

Edited Jul 2, 2005 10:35 am
I am going to attempt to make a list of all the possible candidates for the DADA position.

1. Albus Dumbledore 2. Minerva McGonagall 3. Severus Snape 4. Fillius Flitwick 5. Alastor Moody 6. Nymphadora Tonks 7. Kingsley Shacklebolt 8. Remus Lupin 9. McLaggen 10. Andromeda Tonks 11. Amos Diggory 12. Dedalus Diggle 13. Hestia Jones 14. Emmeline Vance 15. Sturgis Podmore 16. Arthur Weasley 17. Molly Weasley 18. Bill Weasley 19. Charlie Weasley 20. Percy Weasley 21. Amelia Bones

Is there anyone I have forgotten?

Of the characters listed above I think the following may be eliminated The Weasleys and Remus Lupin may be eliminated because of the close degree of intimacy that exists between Harry and the Weasleys and Remus could rule them out because of the potential for a conflict of interest. Also, a stronger claim of a conflict of interest could be voiced against the Weasley's since, Ron is still a student.

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Finn BV - Jul 2, 2005 11:29 am (#807 of 983)

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Well, Nathan, I guess you are assuming that the DADA teacher will be someone we have previously met? Because I am strongly for the pattern that the name of the DADA Teacher has not yet come up once in any of the previous books. This would even rule out someone like Emmeline Vance, whom we know very little about, because she was mentioned as being part of the Order. I'm sure there are many other people (think of all the characters in the stories!) who could possibly teach this position.

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Solitaire - Jul 2, 2005 12:28 pm (#808 of 983)

While I'd like to see one (or even a combination) of the Order members teach DADA--since I believe having one or more of them on the Hogwarts grounds will be wise this year, as it was in GoF--I think it will probably be a new character.

Solitaire

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 2, 2005 1:44 pm (#809 of 983)

FBV, the character of McLaggen is someone who has neither been mentioned nor seen in previous books.

As to my predisposition that is not the case I merely sought to codify the possibilities that have been mentioned on the thread along with several other possibilities that came to mind. I concede that the possibility exists that a second new character apart from McLaggen will be the DADA teacher.

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 2, 2005 2:17 pm (#810 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
Where'd you come up with him, then? Was it in the blurb that JKR revealed when the door was open?

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 2, 2005 2:24 pm (#811 of 983)

Aqualu Nifey, in the past books the DADA teacher has been someone who has not been introduced previously or seen in earlier books. If this pattern holds true then two possibilities exists for the DADA teacher.

First, McLaggen has not been seen or mentioned earlier books. So he could be a candidate for the post.

Second, the possibility exists that a second new character will be introduced apart from McLaggen to serve as the DADA teacher.

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Solitaire - Jul 2, 2005 6:54 pm (#812 of 983)

McLaggen could be anyone ... an old DE, an Order member we have not yet met, the new Minister of Magic, the new DADA teacher, a character we meet solely in flashback, through someone's memory ... What is more, he may or may not be the "lion man" who was described ... and who could turn out to be be any or none of the above. We simply do not have enough information yet about either McLaggen or the "lion-man."

Solitaire

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 2, 2005 8:18 pm (#813 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
Yes, but where did you find the name McLaggen? I haven't seen it anywhere.

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Solitaire - Jul 2, 2005 10:04 pm (#814 of 983)

Here you go ... Click on this link to Jo's site. When you get there, do CTRL+F (find) and type in McLaggan. It is in a paragraph in which she answers a question about how she comes up with names.

I found the name McClaggan the other day, which I think is a great name. There is a McClaggan in book six because I thought that it is a surname that is too good to waste.

Does that help?

Solitaire

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frogface - Jul 3, 2005 4:40 am (#815 of 983)

After reading that quote I assumed he was just going to be a back ground character. Doesn't JKR put alot of work into the names of her major characters? It doesn't seem like her to just apply a name she heard somewhere to a new important character simply because she liked the name. Plus shes been planning out the series way ahead of us so I imagine she probably knows the names of all the important people shes going to need. I think that McClaggan is just going to be a name we hear in passing that won't have any significance. But then this isn't really the right place to discuss this so I'm going to shut up now Smile

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Finn BV - Jul 3, 2005 11:51 am (#816 of 983)

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Nathan, I overlooked McLaggen from your list. Good thinking!

Frogface, it does sound like that, doesn't it? However, think about it, she could have changed the name of one of the characters in HBP if she liked this name enough. For example, imagine the Dursleys (at the start of Book 1) being called "McClaggen"/"McClaggan." – "Mr. and Mrs. McClaggen were proud to say they were normal, thank you very much." (or however it goes) No, not the same ring to it, but you would never know the difference. Still, it would be confusing with McGonagall. To many "Mc"s.

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timrew - Jul 3, 2005 2:53 pm (#817 of 983)

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I think JKR has already confused us enough with, "Mark Evans".

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jul 4, 2005 3:22 am (#818 of 983)

McClaggen is going to be a secret death eater who becomes minister of magic, and then resigns in order to take up the post of DADA teacher. In the last chapter we then discover that she is actually a she and is the half-blood prince.

Sorry, but have just had a bad attack of tabloid journalisticitus Wink

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 4, 2005 5:25 pm (#819 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
LOL, Phelim Mcintyre! Keep up with that and you're going to end up in JKR's rubbish bin!

Thanks, for that, Solitaire.

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nu9p - Jul 5, 2005 9:43 am (#820 of 983)

I'm new, sorry if this has already been posted, but...

I think it would be really cool if Snape were the next DADA teacher.

Reasons, if Rowling wants to have someone break the jinx on the DADA post, then whoever is made DADA teacher in this book will be the last chance to do it in the series. Also, if Snape becomes the next DADA teacher then Harry should be able to continue studying potions under a different teacher, because I really doubt he got an outstanding on his potions owl.

What do you think?

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Solitaire - Jul 5, 2005 3:57 pm (#821 of 983)

No, no, no!!! to Snape as new DADA teacher! Snape may be able to control his thoughts and his temper in the presence of Voldemort, but his behavior in the presence of Harry is something else. He is far too prone to lose his temper with the Trio--Harry in particular--and I can certainly see him using the Crucio! on Harry in a weak moment, if he got angry. Snape is far too unprofessional in his teaching behavior.

Solitaire

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nu9p - Jul 6, 2005 9:36 am (#822 of 983)

I guess Rowling could make Snape DADA teacher in the seventh year, and just tell us that he will be returning. I just feel like she has made a big deal about there being a jinx on the DADA post, and that Snape wants the position...so naturally, I assume...

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Sconie Girl - Jul 6, 2005 12:53 pm (#823 of 983)

I've always thought Snape would be DADA Teacher in Book 6 too. But if JK said that would bring out the "worst in him"(Snape), that begs the question, how much worse can he get?

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Mrs Brisbee - Jul 6, 2005 12:55 pm (#824 of 983)

But if Snape gets the DADA job in Book 6, and the jinx holds, then something is bound to happen to Snape before the end of the book that will prevent his return as DADA teacher in Book 7.

(insert diabolical laughter here)

And Dumbledore will have to find a replacement for both the Potions and DADA positions.

Edit: We did get to see what Snape would be like as DADA teacher in PoA when he substituted for Lupin. He was very insulting to Hermione, and used the class to further his personal vendetta against Lupin. It's no wonder Dumbledore keeps passing him over for the job.

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Solitaire - Jul 6, 2005 11:29 pm (#825 of 983)

I agree, Mrs. Brisbee ... on all counts! (BTW, the diabolical laughter is a great touch!)

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Herm-own-ninny Weezly - Jul 6, 2005 11:40 pm (#826 of 983)

Has it ever been mentioned that perhaps it was Snape who put the jinx on the job when he didn't get it in the first place? I tried to do a search to see, but I don't think I'm very good at choosing the right words to look up because not much came back... Anyway, if he was the one to jinx the job, he would probably just remove it once Dumbledore let him teach DADA.

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Solitaire - Jul 6, 2005 11:49 pm (#827 of 983)

Yes, I have seen that theory before. I'm not sure if it was on this forum or not.

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Herm-own-ninny Weezly - Jul 7, 2005 4:18 pm (#828 of 983)

Hmm... well if it may not have been discussed here, what is everyone's opinions of who has jinxed the job, or whether the job is actually jinxed at all? I have always thought that Snape jinxed it, but it seems like Dumbledore would have checked into that, since he is such a likely character to do it...

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Solitaire - Jul 7, 2005 7:32 pm (#829 of 983)

I do not think it is jinxed. Quirrell allowed himself to be possessed by Voldemort, something which proved to be his downfall. Snape didn't have anything to do with that.

Lockhart was a fool, but I really don't think we can blame Snape for that. He was a dummy before he ever got to Hogwarts. I'm not sure exactly why Dumbledore hired him, but there must be a reason. Perhaps we will find out some day, because I can't believe Dumbledore didn't realize he was bozo.

Remus suffered from lycanthropy, but that was old news. He was a great teacher and would probably have continued to be great, had Snape--the big FINK--not ratted him out. (Okay, Snape was responsible for the departure of Remus.)

Moody never had the chance to teach, because he was kidnapped and held prisoner by Barty Jr. ... with the assistance of Voldemort and Wormtail. Unless Snape is our faithful DE, I don't think he can be held responsible for this one.

Umbridge was a washout from the start. She had no intention of teaching anything useful to the kids, because she was more interested in nailing and expelling Harry and getting Dumbledore out of Hogwarts. As much as I dislike Snape, I really do not feel he is to blame for Umbridge's failure.

I do not see any of these things as jinxes. They are simply things that happened.

Solitaire

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Amilia Smith - Jul 7, 2005 8:50 pm (#830 of 983)

Mrs Brisbee: We did get to see what Snape would be like as DADA teacher in PoA when he substituted for Lupin. He was very insulting to Hermione, and used the class to further his personal vendetta against Lupin.

Not to mention the way he simply had the class read from the textbook while he prowled the isles making sarcastic comments.

Solitaire: [Remus] was a great teacher and would probably have continued to be great, had Snape--the big FINK--not ratted him out.

Well, it wasn't just Snape ratting Lupin out. Remus was also feeling guilty about forgetting to take his potion, being a danger to Harry &co, and worried that it would happen again.

My feelings on Snape getting the DADA job: If he was ever going to get it, he would have got it last year. If there was any possibility that Dumbledore would ever give the job to Snape, why, oh why, did we end up stuck with Dolores? Yes, I know DD did not hire Umbridge, she was forced on him by the ministry. But if he had any intention of ever giving Snape the position, that would be the time to do it, when Fudge is breathing down his neck and passing educational decrees stating his intention to fill open Hogwarts spots with ministry cohorts.

I hope that made sense. I'm rereading it, and it sounds a bit muddled, but I don't know how to clarify it any better.

Mills.

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Herm-own-ninny Weezly - Jul 8, 2005 12:34 am (#831 of 983)

Your points make alot of sense, Solitaire. They have led me to a different thought of the whole jinx situation. The job may not be jinxed, but by just encouraging the rumor, the effect is quite the same... no one wants the job. This seems to play to Snape's favor. Certainly, he would hope that if DD can't find another teacher, he would give him the job (which didn't happen, since we got old hag Umbridge instead).

While I do agree that the reason most of the teachers left had nothing to do with Snape, perhaps he started the rumor that the job was jinxed so less competent people would apply and he would look better in comparison. Does anyone know if the rumor that it was jinxed started before SS or after the whole Quirrell situation? Because if it was around before SS, I would be very curious how it came about...

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Sconie Girl - Jul 8, 2005 5:30 am (#832 of 983)

My only thought as to why Snape WOULD get the job this year is that he certainly knows his Dark Magic. And nothing like knowing how to fight fire w/ fire.

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MickeyCee3948 - Jul 8, 2005 10:04 am (#833 of 983)

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Madame Pomfrey - Jul 8, 2005 8:13 pm (#834 of 983)

I would love to see Dumbledore teach it.He apparently knows dark magic but is too "noble" to use it.(didn't McGonnagal say something simular to that?)However, with the start of war and Order business going on I dont see him having the time.

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Weeny Owl - Jul 8, 2005 10:15 pm (#835 of 983)

He is far too prone to lose his temper with the Trio--Harry in particular--and I can certainly see him using the Crucio! on Harry in a weak moment, if he got angry. Snape is far too unprofessional in his teaching behavior.

I cannot agree with this. Regardless of how much Snape hates Harry, and even after the horrible Pensieve scene, Snape didn't hex Harry. I couldn't see him using an Unforgivable on a student, at least not in a classroom situation.

I can't imagine Dumbledore teaching the class because he's Headmaster, and with the war on, he's going to have his hands full running the school, dealing with the Order, and dealing with the Ministry.

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Solitaire - Jul 9, 2005 12:23 pm (#836 of 983)

I didn't expect you or anyone else to agree with me, Weeny. It is simply my humble opinion. I think Snape is unprofessional in his treatment of many of the students, and I think he is a ticking time bomb where Harry is concerned. If he were placed in a situation--such as a DADA class--where he might be able to justify a Crucio! or some other painful curse, I honestly believe he might fall prey to using it ... on Harry! Like I said ... just a gut feeling.

Solitaire

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Choices - Jul 10, 2005 1:35 pm (#837 of 983)

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In all the books we have never seen Snape physically harm a student other than the time he chucked Harry out for prying into his memories. I don't for a minute believe Snape would Crucio Harry - never.

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Ms Amanda - Jul 10, 2005 2:26 pm (#838 of 983)

Nah. Sure, he'd threaten to poison them all when they are making antidotes, or he'd threaten to poison their pets, but he'd never harm a student.

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MickeyCee3948 - Jul 10, 2005 2:53 pm (#839 of 983)

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With Snape, it is all MENTAL. He cannot stand a student who is not afraid of him. Hence his reactions to HRH.

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Saralinda Again - Jul 10, 2005 9:57 pm (#840 of 983)

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This could go on another thread (like the Snape thread, which I never read, unfortunately) but it can also go here as part of this discussion, so here it is. In OOtP, we learned, not only that Voldie can sense Harry even as Harry senses Voldie, but that Dumbledore has always suspected that this might happen.

So perhaps Snape dares not ever relate to Harry in any way except his accustomed contemptuous style. If he did, Voldie would know about it, and any value Snape still had as a counterintelligence agent would be shot to ribbons. That might, in fact, be part of Snape's act to cozy back up to LV after he was "outed" as a spy for Dumbledore during Voldie War I. I am so extravagantly pro-Slytherin and anti-Harry, how could I possibly not be a loyal supporter of our Dark Lord?

And relating this back to the topic at hand: whoever the new DADA teacher is (and it could be a total loss; heck, the students could continue to learn their real lessons in Dumbledore's Army) Snape's position will be very perilous indeed.

Come on, HPB! Just five ... more ... days ...

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Solitaire - Jul 10, 2005 10:42 pm (#841 of 983)

Saralinda, I think Snape truly does hate Harry. Being able to justify it in order to keep Voldemort in the dark is just a big benefit, IMO.

Solitaire

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jul 11, 2005 3:59 am (#842 of 983)

Aqula - I hope I don't end up in the rubbish bin. But to get a mention on JKR's site.... How to run all the rumours together (I think I covered everything).

Don't worry though. I am becoming more serious, I just had to vent my frustration on how long the last days before HBP comes out.

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Saralinda Again - Jul 11, 2005 8:10 am (#843 of 983)

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Solitaire: I think Snape truly does hate Harry. Being able to justify it in order to keep Voldemort in the dark is just a big benefit, IMO.

Absolutely, Solitaire -- but Snape is able, in other circumstances, to be civil (Remus) and even fawning (Voldie) to people he loathes, or claims to loathe. I'm in search of a reason why Dumbledore will allow a teacher to remain so blatantly hateful to a student.

And now, back to DADA teachers ...

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Solitaire - Jul 11, 2005 2:42 pm (#844 of 983)

He apparently hexed and jinxed James often enough, according to Remus, and he was barely able to be civil to Sirius. He was ecstatic (well, the closest we have seen him to it) at the belief that Sirius would be soul-sucked by the Dementor. Snape is (IMO) full of hate, and while he may be able to control it, he seems incapable of concealing it.

Solitaire

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 12, 2005 6:54 pm (#845 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
IMHO, I think Snape needs a psycho-analysis. Poor thing, he had a very troubled childhood and he must have seen some pretty traumatic things when he was with the DEs. So (hastening to get back on topic) someone that emotionally unstable shouldn't be fit to be a DADA teacher.

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karebear811 - Jul 12, 2005 7:06 pm (#846 of 983)

Snape is obviously extreamly talented and qualified to teach potions. Even though he is interested in DADA's, DD knows what area he is best suited to teach. I think the next DADA's teacher will be someone who can guide Harry, as well as the rest of the Hogwarts students to successfully battle dark arts, especially with the war. I think Lupin would be wonderful at this, because the students need to understand that people they would be hesitant about trusting, such as a known werewolf, can be trusted and relied on. Knowing who and what to trust is as important in defence against dark arts as being able to perform the skills that DADA's requires. Lupin is knowledgeable, and a good teacher as we have seen in PoA, and would do an excellent job in the role, as well as being able to keep an extra eye on Harry, and be there for him as a friend and mentor that he will need outside of Ron and Hermoine in these dark days.

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pottermom34 - Jul 13, 2005 7:41 am (#847 of 983)

Solitaire, Although I don't think he would try anything especially at Hogwarts, I agree with you that Snape should not be DADA teacher because of how he is to the trio, Harry especially Harry. I think he would be too tempted to try anything. On the other hand I wonder if he truly loathes the trio or if it is a cover up because he is a slytherin, he doesn't want to be caught with his guard down. Imagine if Malfoy caught Snape being nice to Harry!

I still think the DADA teacher is going to be a new character and will turn out to be the HBP.

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Aqualu Nifey - Jul 13, 2005 11:03 am (#848 of 983)

"So this is how liberty dies, with thunderous applause." - Padme Amidala-Skywalker
I don't know if the DADA teacher will BE the HBP, but I think it will certainly have some relation to him.

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Kip Carter - Aug 2, 2005 11:31 am (#849 of 983)

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This thread was closed down during the sixteen day period surrounding the release of Book Six. It is now opened for posts.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Aug 2, 2005 11:58 am (#850 of 983)

I was quite surprised that J.K. Rowling broke her convention of bringing in an outsider for the DADA post.

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Finn BV - Aug 2, 2005 6:42 pm (#851 of 983)
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Alas, my guess was completely off.

Obviously, JK had to get rid of Snape somehow after he killed Dumbledore, and introducing the fact that it is set in stone that DADA teachers leave after a year and he took the position…

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Hem Hem - Aug 2, 2005 9:07 pm (#852 of 983)

Now what do we all make of the interview, when she was asked if we'd ever see a DADA teacher last more than a year, and she said "Erm, maybe. Don't want to give too much away here--"?

Either she means that Snape will somehow come back, or that the jinx will be broken because Voldy will be defeated. Which does eveyone think is more likely?

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Madam Pince - Aug 2, 2005 10:01 pm (#853 of 983)

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Oh, Hem Hem, I'm glad you posted that! I'd forgotten that! This gives me hope that maybe Snape will survive the series and return to the DADA post at the end of Book 7! I was convinced he was going to snuff it, but maybe not?

Let's see -- clearly Quirrell won't return, nor Lockhart probably. Lupin is a possibility. Barty Crouch, Jr. is definitely out, as is Umbridge I would hope. So it's left to either Snape or Lupin to return!

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Saralinda Again - Aug 3, 2005 7:54 am (#854 of 983)

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Don't underestimate Lockhart. He's learned joined-up writing now, after all ...

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Madam Pince - Aug 3, 2005 9:50 am (#855 of 983)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...

***Snort!***

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David Breeze - Aug 3, 2005 10:57 am (#856 of 983)

Voldemort will almost certainly be dead by the end of book 7. That makes me think that the curse he put on the DADA job will be lifted.

In that case, whoever gets appointed DADA teacher in Book 7 will still have the job long after the series ends.

My guesses are either Bill, Aberthorth, Fleur, or Victor Krum

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Solitaire - Aug 8, 2005 10:56 pm (#857 of 983)

Unless at least one key member of the Order was taken into Dumbledore's confidence regarding the presumed "agreement" between Dumbledore and Snape--and its likely outcome--I rather doubt Snape will be welcomed back to his post as DADA teacher. On the contrary, if no one else was made privy to this supposed plan, it would seem that Snape must be considered a murderer by the Wizarding world at large.

Solitaire

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CatherineHermiona - Aug 19, 2005 11:35 am (#858 of 983)

My drawing... LOL
There is one more teacher that can return in book 7. That can be Moody and we can take him as Book 4 DADA teacher

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wynnleaf - Aug 26, 2005 2:04 pm (#859 of 983)

I don't think the DADA teacher in Book 7 can be a previous DADA teacher, since the curse won't be broken at the start of Book 7. However, if I recall, JKR has said that there won't be any new characters added in Book 7. So who would all be possibilities for a DADA teacher in year 7? Someone already in the series, but who hasn't taught DADA yet. Any thoughts?

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Saralinda Again - Aug 26, 2005 2:25 pm (#860 of 983)

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I wouldn't mind seeing Flitwick teach it.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Aug 26, 2005 2:28 pm (#861 of 983)

I am hoping for someone along the lines of Andromeda Black Tonks Flitwick one of the characters to whom less attention is paid.

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Marcos Stefanakopolus - Aug 26, 2005 3:27 pm (#862 of 983)

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, my money's on Harry for the book 7 DADA teacher. Several reasons:

It seems pretty likely that at least some portion of book 7 will be set at Hogwarts; Hogwarts is such a central setting to the whole series, that book 7 would seem sort of odd without at least a few chapters set there. Also, Harry and the gang pretty much have to search for at least one horcrux there. And as long as he has to go back to Hogwarts to look for Horcruxes, it would be pretty smart for him, Ron, and Hermione to finish up his schooling and build his skills as much as possible before. Also, assuming that the school is open next year, Ginny will be there and that in and of itself is a pretty powerful reason for Harry to stick around.

Harry has several unique qualifications for the job: more experience in fighting the dark side than most other wizards alive today, specific experience in facing the particular type of dark magic facing the wizarding community at this time, and practical experience as a DADA teacher from when he ran Dumbledore's Army.

It would be Harry's last year at Hogwarts anyway, so he can leave the post at the end of the year to go find Voldemort and thus keep with the one-teacher-per-year tradition.

It would be cool. : )

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Madam Pince - Aug 26, 2005 4:02 pm (#863 of 983)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
But, wynnleaf, Moody wasn't really a previous DADA teacher. It was Barty Crouch, Jr., technically. So I'd say Moody is still an option, if he's not too busy doing Order stuff.

I know what you mean about it being cool, Marcos, but I don't think Harry has the necessary qualifications. He couldn't even fend off Snape at the end of HBP. He still needs some work, himself, before he can teach others.

I have no idea, though, who it might be. If I had to put galleons down, I'd say Moody, but I think JKR is so tricky that it's hard to say.

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Amilia Smith - Aug 26, 2005 9:32 pm (#864 of 983)

What about Quirrell? (As applies to the curse . . . I am not suggesting him for Book 7 DADA. :-) ) He had been teaching at Hogwarts before taking his leave of absence and finding Vapormort. Was he teaching some other subject? Does the "no teacher lasts for longer than a year" curse not apply since his years were not consecutive? Could Voldy make an exception since he was the one who cast the curse?

Mills.

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Weeny Owl - Aug 26, 2005 9:52 pm (#865 of 983)

Harry couldn't be a teacher because he wouldn't have time for one thing, and no matter how good he may be at Defense, he isn't good enough. He still can't quite grasp non-verbal magic.

If he's looking for Horcruxes, he wouldn't be able to devote himself to teaching seven years' worth of students, grading their essays, grading their quizzes, and he certainly couldn't teach the seventh-year students who would be going for their N.E.W.T. since he hasn't taken his and wouldn't know what they would need to know for that exam.

Harry's focus wouldn't be on teaching anyway, but on finding and destroying the Horcruxes since that is the only way he'll be able to defeat Voldemort.

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Madam Pince - Aug 26, 2005 10:12 pm (#866 of 983)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Mills, that has always bothered me too. Quirrell was definitely at Hogwarts for at least one year prior to Harry's first year, and it felt to me like it was implied that he was there even longer, but that's probably just movie contamination (book Percy only says "...he's interested in Quirrell's job" while in the movie Percy said "...he's been after Quirrell's job for years."

In HBP, Dumbledore definitely said that they'd never been able to fill the DADA post for more than one year since Riddle's interview. So I guess we're left that Quirrell must've taught something else prior to Harry's first year.

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Finn BV - Aug 28, 2005 9:00 am (#867 of 983)

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…book Percy only says "...he's interested in Quirrell's job" while in the movie Percy said "...he's been after Quirrell's job for years."

In both instances, "Quirrell's job" is used. That would be like saying in CoS, "Lockhart's job," and in PoA, "Lupin's job." It doesn't necessarily mean that they have held the job for more than a year, just that they are currently holding it.

For example, suppose I start teaching Potions at Hogwarts, but I really want to teach DADA. Now, this past academic year, somebody named Jones finishes teaching DADA after 1 year. I really want it, but the job is given to Evans (not Mark! ). Thus, at the beginning of this school year, the students could say, "Finn's been after Evans' job for years" even though Evans hasn't held the position for any amount of time.

Now, why didn't Dumbledore introduce Quirrell as a new teacher or as teaching a new subject? Perhaps the DADA teacher from the year before suddenly left just before the end of the year, and Quirrell took over, so there was no need to introduce him again.

Does that make sense? I highly doubt it, but I'm just giving JKR excuses.

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Marcos Stefanakopolus - Aug 31, 2005 3:50 pm (#868 of 983)

Weeny Owl says:

Harry couldn't be a teacher because he wouldn't have time for one thing, and no matter how good he may be at Defense, he isn't good enough. He still can't quite grasp non-verbal magic.
Time will pass between books 6 and 7--or at the very least, between book six and wherever in book 7 the school year starts. He could conceivably improve in that time, particularly if McGonagal decides quickly that he should have the job.

It's true though; he might not be the best DADA teacher ever. All I'm saying is that in the present circumstances, he might turn out to be the best option.

If he's looking for Horcruxes, he wouldn't be able to devote himself to teaching seven years' worth of students, grading their essays, grading their quizzes,
Nobody says he has to assign a lot of essays. : ) His experience from teaching the DA suggests that if he did get the DADA job, it would be mostly a lecture and hands-on practice type of class.

and he certainly couldn't teach the seventh-year students who would be going for their N.E.W.T. since he hasn't taken his and wouldn't know what they would need to know for that exam.
That's a very good argument against my prediction, I'll admit. But if he has the opportunity over the summer to study more DADA, and if during the school year he gets help from the other teachers, he could conceivably stay enough ahead of his students to still be able to teach them. But yeah, those are getting to be some pretty big "ifs"...

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Esther Rose - Sep 1, 2005 7:49 am (#869 of 983)

I think that Scrimgeour will actually become the next DADA teacher. I know that he is the Minister of Magic right now but I think that he will take the position anyways to a) keep an eye on Harry, b.) to continue to persuade Harry to support MOM, c.) to give parents some reassurance.

This could also bring Percy and Umbridge back into Hogwarts on a regular basis, and possibly get Harry a head start in Auror training. Harry is pretty much a DE magnet now that Dumbledore is gone. So Scrimigeour might think, "Hey, if we stick around Harry we can attract some DEs and arrest them."

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wynnleaf - Sep 1, 2005 11:23 am (#870 of 983)

Depending on what JKR wants to do, Hogwarts can get somebody who could be a fairly good DADA teacher (actually knows their stuff) or somebody who's sort of "in with" the MoM. Since she's not going to bring on new characters, I'm not sure who else we could choose from other than people in those categories.

If McGonagall gets to be headmistress, then I'm guessing at maybe the real Mad Eye, or Lupin (odds on Lupin maybe). Possibly Bill Weasley, the cursebreaking expert. Tonks perhaps? Any of the aurors would likely have the credentials.

If the MoM gets their choice, it could be practically anyone from their camp. I don't think it would be Umbridge, mainly because JKR already played the Umbridge-as-DADA-teacher card.

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timrew - Sep 1, 2005 3:08 pm (#871 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I think Harry himself could end up as DADA teacher, IF Hogwarts remains 'friendly' to him.

He could come to realise that he needs some help in his final quest for the Horcruxes, and this could be the incentive to lure him back to Hogwarts.

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pottermom34 - Sep 9, 2005 6:31 am (#872 of 983)

Why would Harry want the Cursed job?

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timrew - Sep 9, 2005 4:08 pm (#873 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Because it's there, pottermom34!

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Soul Search - Sep 9, 2005 5:38 pm (#874 of 983)

Who is going to take the job?

If the position was thought to be cursed before, how about after the DADA teacher killed the Headmaster. Talk about a cursed job!

Maybe Fudge will be desperate enough to take it.

Harry won't be the DADA teacher, but he will activate the DA.

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vickilh42 - Sep 11, 2005 7:22 am (#875 of 983)

I agree with previous speculations that Bill will be the next DADA! His injury occurred for a reason--more than to prove the loyalty of the Veela. Bill's appointment to the post might prompt Harry to realize how much Bill could assist him in breaking the Horcruxes "curses". I suppose Harry wouldn't need to go back to school for Bill to help him....apparating is so handy, hunh!?

As to the "cursed job", Bill may be above this concern and we readers know that once Tom Riddle is vanquished in year 7 , that "curse" should be lifted. Bill could then teach DADA for many years...how about even be a future Headmaster!? Could his marriage to the Veela somehow be related to Ms Rowling's cryptic mentioning about teachers and their spouses?

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Soul Search - Sep 11, 2005 7:59 am (#876 of 983)

I like the idea of Bill as book 7 DADA professor.

However, we have seen so little of Bill, that I can't find even a hint for it.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Sep 11, 2005 10:26 am (#877 of 983)

The problem with Bill or any of the other Weasley's being DADA professor in book 7 is that could possibly perceived as a conflict of interest since Ron and Ginny would still technically be students.

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Esther Rose - Sep 12, 2005 7:15 am (#878 of 983)

I think that now that Dumbledore is gone the Ministry will move a special headquarter to Hogwarts. (Department of Hogwart's Security perhaps.) Fudge or Scrimgeour will be the next DADA professor. Remember what Harry said to Scrimgeour (HBP US ed. pg. 348) about not interfering with Hogwarts as long as Dumbledore is around. Well, now, Dumbledore is gone. You can't think for a moment that Scrimgeour won't see the absence of Dumbledore as an opportunity to infiltrate Hogwarts once again.

If Harry won't visit the Ministry every now and then to give the public reasurance that the Ministry is on top of the Voldemort/DE situations then Scrimgeour will bring the Ministry to Harry. Whether Harry wants it or not.

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timrew - Sep 13, 2005 3:58 pm (#879 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Now I think that the DADA post will always go to someone who is 'at odds' with Harry. There seems to have been more pro-Voldemort DADA teachers than otherwise.

What I mean to say is, the DADA teachers that have been granted the post so far (mostly), have either had their own interests (or Voldemorts) at heart. I now believe that position is cursed.......

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Esther Rose - Sep 14, 2005 6:45 am (#880 of 983)

Remus Lupin being the only exception.

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timrew - Sep 14, 2005 3:20 pm (#881 of 983)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
That's why I added the 'mostly', in brackets, Esther.

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Soul Search - Sep 14, 2005 3:32 pm (#882 of 983)

Actually, why did Lupin take the job?

Yes, he needed the work.

I am thinking that his taking the job was specifically to teach Harry.

Even more, did he only take the job after Sirius escaped? I would guess so.

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Maddest Dragon - Sep 23, 2005 11:19 am (#883 of 983)

But Lupin didn't realize Sirius was innocent until he saw Peter Pettigrew on the Marauders' Map--after he'd come to teach at Hogwarts. When he took the job, he had every reason to believe that Sirius had betrayed Lily and James, killed Pettigrew and a dozen Muggles, and was now after Harry. Of course, that doesn't let out the possibility that he took the job mainly to protect Harry and teach him to defend himself--against Sirius, not knowing the dementors would turn out to be the biggest threat.

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Lina - Nov 22, 2005 2:11 am (#884 of 983)

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Edited by Kip Carter Nov 22, 2005 1:16 am
I have just came to this thread after a long time and I felt I needed do give another reason why Harry couldn't be a book 7 DADA teacher: it is in the interview that JKR gave 1999 where she says: I will tell you that one of the characters, one of Harry’s classmates, though it’s not Harry himself, does end up a teacher at Hogwarts.

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hawick girl - Nov 22, 2005 3:26 pm (#885 of 983)

"end up"

hmmmm, like throughout book 7, or at the end the Epilogue part of the Book?

Very, very interesting!

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Choices - Dec 10, 2005 7:26 pm (#886 of 983)

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Well, surely the new (?) DADA teacher will last at least a year (book 7), but if he/she lasts longer than that we won't know, will we? I personally would like to see Lupin come back, and if not Lupin, then Mad-Eye Moody (the real one). Other than that, I have no clue who it might be, but I certainly hope it isn't another MOM appointed horror like Umbridge.

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Diagon Nilly - Dec 11, 2005 12:31 am (#887 of 983)

I'd hope after the events at the end of the 6th year, they'd choose someone somewhat imposing to Death Eaters in order to be ready to help protect Hogwarts in the event of another attack. I like the real Moody idea.

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Honour - Dec 12, 2005 1:49 am (#888 of 983)

I know I posted this on his thread a while back, but I still think that the new DADA teacher could possibly be Viktor Krum Smile

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Lina - Dec 12, 2005 3:28 pm (#889 of 983)

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I like the idea of Krum being the next DADA teacher. And it even seems to make sense in my head. Which means it is not likely to happen.

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Finn BV - Dec 12, 2005 3:33 pm (#890 of 983)

Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
Hmm… Krum seems too young for me. After all, he's barely out of school. Isn't he training to either be a pro Quidditch player or something?

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frogface - Dec 12, 2005 3:37 pm (#891 of 983)

Well he IS a pro Quidditch player. I hope Lupin will come back before the end of the series. I think he's earned it after everything he's been through, and he was the best DADA teacher Harry and his classmates ever had. Tonks could take over as Transfiguration teacher

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Solitaire - Dec 12, 2005 4:25 pm (#892 of 983)

Hm ... how about Tonks and Remus as co-teachers? She would be fun with Moody, too. hehe

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Honour - Dec 13, 2005 2:45 am (#893 of 983)

If I remember correctly (where's that rememberall!) Severus was around 19 years of age when he started teaching at Hogwarts? I just thought that maybe since Durmstrang were 'openly' teaching the Dark Arts at their school then at least Viktor's practical education would be of value to the students, his presence at the school could also be of assistance in protecting the students, school etc.

I also think that now that the Wizarding World and the MOM can not ignore the fact that they are at war with Voldermort and his followers, that playing quiddich would not be all that important, unless ... the games are used as a sort of cover, by day a WW famous quiddich player, by night an undercover auror type secret agent dude? (hahaha), Harry better sign up too, could provide him with a nice excuse to be out and about (looking for horcruxes) instead of being in class ... and he and Viktor would make a pretty excellent team, 'wonski feint-ing' all over the place and all:-)

Any way, what was the subject we were discussing? Oh yes, Who will be the next DADA teacher? .... Did I suggest Viktor Krum? (toddles off looking for that dang rememberall ...)

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Saracene - Dec 13, 2005 3:49 am (#894 of 983)

Snape I think was 21-22 when he started teaching... which is still pretty young.

I like the idea of Viktor Krum teaching DADA in the next book. Cue the Viktor-Hermione-Ron tension! Smile

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Solitaire - Dec 13, 2005 1:32 pm (#895 of 983)

Snape would be approximately the same age as the Marauders, whatever their ages were at that time.

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haymoni - Dec 13, 2005 1:49 pm (#896 of 983)

It's possible that Lupin could be the DADA teacher. He's pretty much blown his cover with Fenrir after the Hogwarts battle.

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wynnleaf - Dec 13, 2005 5:59 pm (#897 of 983)

If we've already seen all the primary characters in the books, then I'd think the new DADA teacher has to be someone we already know. What about Bill? Or Lupin could do it again?

Where does JKR say that we'll see a DADA teacher that will last more than one year?

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kingdolohov - Dec 14, 2005 3:22 pm (#898 of 983)

Has there been any speculation about the new Transfiguration professor, other than frogface's mention of Tonks? I know this isn't the exact topic of the thread, but it is something to think about.

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Muggle Doctor - Dec 14, 2005 6:35 pm (#899 of 983)

I think the new DADA professor might be someone we haven't met. I think the nature of Voldemort's curse prevents anyone (including Lupin) coming back for another go. There is the theoretical possibility that one of the OWL/NEWT examiners might come and teach it, say Professor Tofty (anyone fit to examine an "outstanding" student in practical Defence ought to be able to teach the subject). An auror might do - on the one hand, they might want to spare them for the fight, but on the other, there is the defence of Hogwarts to attend to, and placing at least one auror there could be justified. Griselda Marchbanks might come and teach transfiguration, while we're on the topic of examiners taking their own subjects (she examined Dumbledore).

Unfortunately, they are going to pick somebody expendable: they don't know the curse is going to be lifted (even if we do) when Voldemort dies, and they won't put anyone in the position that they really want to keep.

From this point of view, hiring Lupin would seem to have been an unnecessary cruelty. We are not told whether Dumbledore expected to keep him, or whether (like Moody) he was offered a one year contract to protect him.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Dec 15, 2005 2:08 am (#900 of 983)

Muggle Doctor - Lupin did resign, but he could have done that early.

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Maddest Dragon - Dec 15, 2005 1:28 pm (#901 of 983)
Lupin resigned after the final exams, when there was no more teaching to do that year anyway. Do I see movie contamination striking again? :-) So it sounds like he wasn't on a one year contract. Also, if he were, chances are he'd have said something at the beginning of the year, like Fake Moody--or when Harry came to him and said something like, "Don't go, you're the best Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher we've ever had." Lupin's response was that parents wouldn't want a werewolf teaching their children, and he didn't want to put students in danger. Nothing about his contract running out anyway.

Also, the pickings were pretty slim for poor Lupin, job-wise. Because of rampant discrimination against werewolves, which had been written into law (by none other than Umbridge), who but Dumbledore would've hired Remus? Now, I'm sure Dumbledore warned him about the jinx in the beginning and left it up to Lupin whether to risk it.

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Honour - Dec 15, 2005 6:20 pm (#902 of 983)

Also I am assuming that Greyback has been captured and put into Azkaban but, wouldn't Remus be more valuable to the Order to continue with his trying to convince the weirwolves not to side with Voldermort?

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Maddest Dragon - Dec 15, 2005 7:54 pm (#903 of 983)

Greyback, captured? Didn't he escape with the Death Eaters?

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Honour - Dec 15, 2005 8:22 pm (#904 of 983)

OOPs! gotta go back and do that re-read, thank you Maddest Dragon:)

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Jake C - Dec 24, 2005 6:21 am (#905 of 983)

I personally hope it's Doris Crockford...LOL.

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Finn BV - Dec 24, 2005 7:22 pm (#906 of 983)

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Sorry, Lupin's now been stricken out: JKR Official Site.

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Weeny Owl - Dec 25, 2005 3:03 pm (#907 of 983)

There may not be any new teachers if Hogwarts doesn't open. If it does open, then there may not be enough students to justify more teachers, and perhaps there will be classes more along the lines of having "guest speakers" come in to teach one class, or maybe the DA will begin again for Defense while Dumbledore's portrait teaches Transfiguration. Just kidding, but you never know.

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Lina - Dec 26, 2005 8:34 am (#908 of 983)

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Now, if we can have a ghost teaching, I don't see why couldn't a portrait be teaching too?

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Troels Forchhammer - Dec 26, 2005 8:45 am (#909 of 983)

It is useless to meet revenge with revenge: it will heal nothing. - Frodo Baggins, /The Return of the King/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
At least if they can find a painting that has a blackboard

Regards,
Troels

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Solitaire - Dec 26, 2005 10:57 am (#910 of 983)

If there aren't many students, isn't it possible that some teachers might cover other classes? Slughorn could cover transfiguration and potions. Flitwick is aces at Charms, and we were told once that he was good at dueling ... right? Perhaps he could also handle DADA. Or maybe McGonagall might take on DADA herself and reinstate the DA, as well.

Solitaire

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Phelim Mcintyre - Dec 28, 2005 6:26 am (#911 of 983)

Just had a thought - now McGonnagel is the new head who will teach transfiguration? Could this be one of Harry's chums? Will this have a bearing on the DADA post?

Hurry up book 7!!

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haymoni - Dec 28, 2005 6:42 am (#912 of 983)

Looks like Lupin is out of the running. Too bad!

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Choices - Dec 28, 2005 12:17 pm (#913 of 983)

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I don't think it would be impossible for McGonagall to continue with Transfiguration. I think Dumbledore was busy because he had so many irons in the fire - so many outside obligations, but if there is a smaller student enrollment for year seven, then I don't see why McGonagall would so busy she couldn't teach a class or two.

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Finn BV - Jan 3, 2006 12:08 pm (#914 of 983)

Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
Well, really, what could you do all day that would not allow you to teach at all? Seriously, is it like, three-hour Ministry meetings Tuesday and Friday, Board meeting 6PM Mondays and Thursdays, Tea with the Scrimgeours 1PM every Wednesday, like, really, what could take up all of McG's time?

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haymoni - Jan 3, 2006 12:36 pm (#915 of 983)

No - it's the Fred & George wanna-be's and the board of governors dropping by "just to check on things" and the owls from parents complaining about this or that.

The list is endless!

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Honour - Jan 3, 2006 6:30 pm (#916 of 983)

...Anyway back to "who will be the next DADA Teacher... I have always had a pet theory/liking to this position being filled by Viktor Krum, but, Andromeda would work equally well for me too? I am dying to meet this character ...

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nschend - Jan 3, 2006 9:09 pm (#917 of 983)

Edited by Jan 3, 2006 8:21 pm
Just wondering...maybe it's already been covered. If so, my apologies. What if they bring Harry to be the new DADA teacher? After the DA and his most recent fight in the DoM and his new knowledge of the Horcruxes, he'd be the perfect choice.

OR Slughorn might be back on the faculty teaching DADA.

I like the first idea better, since that would be a perfect reason to bring Harry back to Hogwarts for year seven. It may be a hands-on class rather than a lecture and lab setting.

Hey, here's another far-left-field thought. What about Percy or another Weasley as DADA teacher?

You know, I really think enrollment at Hogwarts will be up rather than down for year seven. Surely other wizzards would want to study at the school where students who had beaten DEs were schooled. So we may see more students from Durmstrang and Beauxbaton in year seven as well. If that's the case, Hogwarts will be open and filled to capacity.

Which would leave the door wide open for a foreign wizzard to teach DADA, possibly Madame Maxime.

Just some thoughts.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jan 3, 2006 9:31 pm (#918 of 983)

Nschend, I would argue that given the nature of the wizarding world in at the end of HBP, the DADA teacher in book seven will need to be an exceptionally competent and proactive individual.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jan 4, 2006 6:26 am (#919 of 983)

Also, re Harry being DADA teacher didn't JKR rule out Harry as a teacher when she said that one of his friends would be a teacher at Hogwarts?

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Weeny Owl - Jan 4, 2006 10:36 am (#920 of 983)

Harry isn't going to be Defense teacher for a couple of reasons.

The main one is that he hasn't finished his own schooling, and without that, he couldn't possibly teach seventh year.

Next, his own classmates might accept him as the leader of a study-type group which the D.A. was, but certainly the Slytherins wouldn't accept him as having authority over them in a classroom setting.

Next, he's going to be concentrating on finding Horcruxes so that he can finally defeat Voldemort once and for all, and if he's busy with teaching, he wouldn't have time.

Harry might be a powerful wizard, but as was demonstrated in the cave, he isn't qualified yet. He has too much on his plate to be a teacher to seen years' worth of students.

That isn't to say he wouldn't start the D.A. again and have weekly lessons with them, but he just won't have time that I can see to be a full-time teacher.

Not only that, but if he's teaching his own classes, what about his own education? There's more to being a wizard than Defense, after all.

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Choices - Jan 4, 2006 11:47 am (#921 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Nathan - "I would argue that given the nature of the wizarding world in at the end of HBP, the DADA teacher in book seven will need to be an exceptionally competent and proactive individual."

I couldn't agree more. The new DADA has to be someone very experienced with dealing with dark wizards, Death Eaters and dark magic. It won't be Harry - he has more on his plate to deal with without having to teach. There are a couple of good possibilities among people we know - or it could even be someone new. Whoever it is though, they need to be really good.

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haymoni - Jan 4, 2006 11:59 am (#922 of 983)

Sorry, but that's what I thought about THIS year and we weren't even allowed in the classroom!

Voldy is on the loose - the kids should have been properly trained.

For someone steeped in the Dark Arts, we should have seen some real action from Snape. All we saw was him arguing with Harry about dementors. Pathetic!

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Choices - Jan 4, 2006 7:49 pm (#923 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Well, you are right haymoni. I should say ideally it needs to be someone very experienced, but once again we may be disappointed.

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Brad Collins - Jan 16, 2006 5:15 am (#924 of 983)

Kingsly Shacklebolt would make an excellent DADA professor. We know he is one of the Ministry's top Aurors as well as a very skilled wizard.

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jan 16, 2006 5:29 am (#925 of 983)

Depending on what's going on he may still be protecting the Muggle Prime Minister.

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VeronikaG - Jan 16, 2006 12:57 pm (#926 of 983)

Let met think.... (or perhaps not).

We have JK's words that we'll see at DADA teacher that will last more than one year. But who can that possibly be now? I thought it was Lupin for sure after Snape had to escape, but then she said he's never coming back to Hogwarts. Before HBP I thought the 6th DADA teacher was going to make it, but then he had to leave in a hurry and is guaranteed not to be the teacher in year 7.

Let's go through the rest of the list. Quirrel - dead. Lockhart - no memory, no knowledge in the first place. Lupin - JK crossed him off the list. Barty Crouch Jr. - braindead. Snape - not year 7.

If we go with the theory that the 7th DADA teacher is going to be one who has had the position before we're left with two possibilities, the real Moody (who although he didn't teach was the one who had the job) and Umbridge. Neither of them is very likely to take up the position. I don't think Mac Gonnagal is going to force Mad Eye to teach, and I doubt the ministry can force Hogwarts to take Umbrigde back just like that.

If the 7th DADA teacher is a new one who's able to keep the position after Voldy is defeated, we won't actually see him/her teach for more than a year. But we'll see a DADA teacher who is not meeting a sticky end around graduation time. So from where I stand I think that is the only possibility now.

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Honour - Jan 16, 2006 7:36 pm (#927 of 983)

Well I'm still hoping for Andromeda Black Tonks. Why? because JKR has been teasing us with dropped hints about her and I'd love to meet her. I would also think that a member of the Black family would be quite versed in the Dark Arts, and I'd love to see the three sisters (Bella, Andromeda and Narcissa's) reactions toward each other(I'd especially like to see what Andromeda would think about her own sister killing her beloved cousin), as well as the interaction between Tonks and her mum. Lastly, by all accounts Andromeda is like Sirius a "goody" so I think the Order and Hogwarts could do with all the help that they could get.

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Solitaire - Jan 16, 2006 11:00 pm (#928 of 983)

Perhaps it will be Snape, after all.

Scenario One: Perhaps he will figure a way to explain away what Harry saw to the satisfaction of all concerned. He has certainly been able to keep both Dumbledore and Voldemort satisfied for sixteen years or more, and we know he has been lying to one of them. If anyone can weasel his way out of this one, it's Snape.

Scenario Two: Snape is an excellent Potions Master. He is certainly capable of changing his appearance via Polyjuice potion ... and no one need ever know, because he can handle it himself. He should be able to impersonate anyone, as long as he gets enough hair to take care of the job for months on end. Of course, this would only work if Harry does not return to Hogwarts with his Marauder's Map. If he does return, well ...

Look at the other options. Barty Jr. won't be coming back any time soon. I really can't see Lockhart returning, either. He was a terrible teacher, even before he was hit by the backfired curse. Quirrell's dead and Remus is a definite no, according to Jo ... right? Technically, Moody never did teach, did he? If a teacher is repeating, it would almost have to be either Snape or (yuck!!!!) Umbridge. I'm not sure which one is worse!

Edit: Come to think of it, McGonagall might relish an opportunity to put The Toad in her place. Given the last interchange we saw between them ... hehehe

Solitaire

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jan 17, 2006 3:35 am (#929 of 983)

May be Umbridge will come back for HER protection. After all with what she did at the start of OoP concerning Dementors she may be a target of the emotion eating monsters. She would just have to avoid the Forest. And she may actually ask Harry to teach her.

Actually, wouldn't the new minister like to have someone toading up to Harry. and he appears daft enough to think that Harry would forgive Umbridge for the scars.

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Esther Rose - Jan 17, 2006 11:38 am (#930 of 983)

I still honestly think that someone from the Ministry will be teaching DADA. Possibly an Auror. Harry has already expressed his desire to be an Auror to Umbridge. In an effort to get ahead (because getting ahead is her #1 priority) Umbridge may have passed this information on to Scrimgeour. Scrimgeour would not hesitate to use this as bait on Harry or even use this opportunity as proof that Harry supports what the Ministry is doing without Harry's permission. Field trips to the Ministry anyone?

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Choices - Jan 17, 2006 11:46 am (#931 of 983)

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As for Andromeda Tonks becoming the new DADA teacher - the woman, whom we know nothing about except that she can magically fold clothes, has a grown daughter and has been a wife and mother for years. How on earth did she get the qualifications to teach kids about the Dark Arts. That idea is too far out of the park for me to even consider. Sorry.

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Esther Rose - Jan 17, 2006 5:01 pm (#932 of 983)

Or how about Madam Pince as a DADA professor?

No support on this just throwing her name into the bowl of maybes.

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Honour - Jan 17, 2006 7:53 pm (#933 of 983)

But that's exactly the point I was trying to make Choices, we don't know about Andromeda Tonks, and I thought this would be an opportunity. As I see it my suggestion was not so far out of the park as maybe; an author who writes Fiction, a werewolf, or how about that 'polyjuiced' DE, not withstanding the the 'Care of Magical Creatures' Professor who is actually the groundsman who did not graduate from high school?

Maybe your objection was because she has been portrayed as a wife and mother? I am sure most wives and mothers will tell you that they are quite capable and probably very qualified in teaching children how to be safe? It was only a suggestion because I personally would love to see the three sisters, how they contrast, mirror and maybe contradict each other, nothing more, nothing less ... Smile

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jan 18, 2006 2:16 am (#934 of 983)

Also as Andromada has some certain DE relatives she may be able to give Harry and co insight into their mentallity.

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Solitaire - Jan 18, 2006 8:20 am (#935 of 983)

She could actually do this without being the DADA teacher, particularly as Harry, Ron and Hermione know Tonks well enough by now and feel sufficiently comfortable with her to ask about Mum. I wouldn't be surprised to see Andromeda turn up at the wedding. After all, if she is related to Sirius, there may be a possibility of her being related to either Molly or Arthur (both were related to Sirius), and she is certainly the most likely other Black relative to attend a Weasley wedding, I should think.

Even if she did not attend the wedding, Tonks could certainly take the kids to meet Mum. She does not need to teach at Hogwarts for this to happen.

Solitaire
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Choices - Jan 18, 2006 11:33 am (#936 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I would like to know more about Andromeda, but I just don't see her as highly qualified to teach DADA. I see her as more of a background character (way in the background) much like Mark Evans. She is connected to better known characters, but remains a virtual unknown herself. I mean, if we are going to put Andromeda's name in the pot to teach DADA, we might as well put in Mark Evans or Stubby Boardman. Heck, bail Stan Shunpike out of Azkaban and let him teach it.

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Solitaire - Jan 18, 2006 2:45 pm (#937 of 983)

As Mark Evans is younger than Harry, I doubt he would be old enough.

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Esther Rose - Jan 18, 2006 3:06 pm (#938 of 983)

Actually, Choices it wouldn't be the first time that JKR would throw in someone totally unexpected into the DADA position. We weren't given any clues to the next DADA professor before. Reading the first time through HBP I believed that Slughorn was the new DADA teacher right along with Harry. I actually think if Madam Pince is Eileen Prince incognito then she has just as good of a chance as being the next DADA teacher as anyone else. Snape had to have gotten a head start on learning about the Dark Arts somewhere and it definitely wasn't from his father. =)

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Solitaire - Jan 18, 2006 10:27 pm (#939 of 983)

I'd second Madam Pince/Eileen Prince--assuming that is who she is--if it didn't compromise her cover. She is already a Hogwarts employee, which puts her in the right place.

Solitaire

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Choices - Jan 19, 2006 1:29 pm (#940 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I hate to say it, but I think dear Madam Pince loves her books too much to give them up for another position.

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haymoni - Jan 19, 2006 1:35 pm (#941 of 983)

I just don't think it is going to matter much who the DADA teacher is.

If Harry, Ron & Hermione are off Horcrux Hunting, it probably won't matter.

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Choices - Jan 19, 2006 1:38 pm (#942 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
If, as has been said, JKR is going to introduce another DADA teacher for Harry's 7th year, perhaps he/she is going to play an inportant role in helping (or working against) Harry.

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haymoni - Jan 19, 2006 1:45 pm (#943 of 983)

Maybe it could be Bill then.

Certainly if he was Head Boy and was a curse-breaker, he must know something.

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K Stahl - Jan 19, 2006 3:42 pm (#944 of 983)

I believe that the new DADA teacher will be a new character. It gives Miss Rowling the opportunity to use this character to support a new story and not just a warmed over past story. Each of the past DADA teachers has been used to help take the story in a direction different from the previous stories.

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Soul Search - Jan 19, 2006 4:09 pm (#945 of 983)

All of the DADA professors have been involved with the plot line of the book they were in. Seems likely this trend would continue.

So, what characters that we know could be significant to the book seven storyline?

Aberforth

Bill Weasley

Scrimgrour

A wizard Harry met in passing at the ministry?

A member of the order. Moody comes to mind.

Could Dumbledore come back as a ghost, like Binns?

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Choices - Jan 19, 2006 7:27 pm (#946 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Haymoni, Bill came to my mind when I wrote my post (#942). I have a feeling Bill will play a larger role in book 7.

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haymoni - Jan 20, 2006 6:31 am (#947 of 983)

Bill should show up in Book 7 - I can't believe his last action would be eating rare meat.

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Solitaire - Jan 20, 2006 8:11 am (#948 of 983)

Well, the wedding is still on the horizon, so we will probably see Bill at least once more. If he were to become the DADA teacher, do you suppose Fleur would move to Hogwarts and be more "visible"? I wonder how Ginny and Hermione would like that! LOL

Solitaire

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haymoni - Jan 20, 2006 10:55 am (#949 of 983)

I don't think Fleur would want to run into Peeves again.

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Honour - Jan 20, 2006 8:39 pm (#950 of 983)

Wouldn't Bill be the recipient of the same racism that Remus is faced with concerning the parents of students and probably students themselves?

As I understand, through Remus, that "there will probably be some contamination" and that "It is an odd case, possbly unique... we don't know what his behaviour might be like when he wakes up ..."

Later, when we next read about Bill, "his scars were as bad as ever; in truth, he now bore a distinct resemblance to Mad-Eye Moody, though thankfully with both eyes and legs, but in personality he seemed just the same as ever. All that appeared to have chaged was that he now had a great liking for very rare steaks." Mind, this could all change on a night with a full moon? I don't think the MOM, the Board of Governors or Parents are likely to risk their children do you, and as there is no Dumbledore to guarantee their safety...

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jan 20, 2006 9:20 pm (#951 of 983)
I doubt Bill will be the new DADA teacher because, wouldn't such an appointment create a conflict of interest because, his brother Ron would be one of his students.

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haymoni - Jan 20, 2006 10:07 pm (#952 of 983)

Not if Ron is hunting Horcruxes. Maybe Ginny will tag along too.

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Honour - Jan 21, 2006 4:06 am (#953 of 983)

Realistically again, can't see JKR advocating children dropping out of school no matter what the circumstances.

Nathan didn't know being taught by a sibling or close relative constituted a conflict of interest, didn't know this is not allowable overseas - my own mother was a school teacher, she taught my brother and sister, was quite acceptable in NZ schools, learn something new everyday Smile

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Weeny Owl - Jan 21, 2006 10:28 am (#954 of 983)

If Hogwarts opens, I don't see why Bill couldn't teach something even with siblings there.

My mother was my third-grade teacher, and later in another school system, she was my English teacher. I didn't like it, though. She was harder on me than on everyone else just so there would be no accusations of favortism.

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Finn BV - Jan 21, 2006 12:25 pm (#955 of 983)

Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
In my school, there are a number of "faculty kids," as they're called, and it is a rule that they cannot be taught by their parent(s) unless it be in dire circumstances. So in the Lower School, there was only one teacher per subject, so a kid in my grade got his father for Science. But once in Middle School and Upper School, the kids' schedules must be planned to have no conflicts of interest. A friend of mine has both parents and a godmother teaching history in the Middle School, so last year she had only one option for her history teacher!

So, I would guess that, if Ron and Ginny don't leave school, they'd try not to get Bill as a teacher. Wouldn't he be off fighting anyway? Wouldn't the Order need him?

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Honour - Jan 21, 2006 3:43 pm (#956 of 983)

You're right about that point Weeny, my brother always complained that mum was more strict with him than with the other children...Thanks for that Finn, as above, "learn something new everyday"

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Weeny Owl - Jan 21, 2006 4:47 pm (#957 of 983)

Of course, the main question is whether or not Hogwarts will even be open. I think it will, but who knows.

If it is, and if the number of students attending is low, there may not be a need for certain positions to be filled.

I could see each Head of House tutoring students in Defense as a large group rather than all of those separate classes.

Perhaps there might be guest speakers from the Ministry who come in each week to do a group lesson, or maybe a few group lessons depending on each student's ability.

With things so up in the air right now, it's anybody's guess as to Hogwart's future, especially the Defense classes.

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Chemyst - Jan 23, 2006 6:02 pm (#958 of 983)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
My personal favorite, or favourite in this case, would be Percy. Scrimgeour is probably getting a little annoyed by now with having Percy constantly underfoot at the Ministry, yet he has shown himself to be dedicated and a hard worker, and above all, loyal to the ministry. Probably more loyal than Umbridge.
Why not reassign him to the opening at Hogwarts? It gets him out of Ministry headquarters and fills a hard-to-fill position. Percy's NEWTS should be high enough to qualify him, (but really, since when is competence a job requirement for the DADA position?) He is a pureblood. He loved his status as prefect and head boy, why not take the next step?

But what else I like about Percy for DADA teacher, is that it could position him within the plot of the story to someday have to choose between family and job. He could be responsible for Ginny (assuming Ron leaves school?) both as her teacher and as her brother. How would he defend her against a dark artist then, as his student? Or as his kid sister?

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Phelim Mcintyre - Jan 24, 2006 4:12 am (#959 of 983)

I like it Chemyst, and with the job being cursed........ well just a thought.

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Chemyst - Jan 24, 2006 2:36 pm (#960 of 983)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
and with the job being cursed........

...well, yes, there's that.

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ex-FAHgeek - Jan 26, 2006 2:43 pm (#961 of 983)

Edited by Jan 26, 2006 1:44 pm
---quote--- My mother was my third-grade teacher, and later in another school system, she was my English teacher. ---end quote---

I also had my mom as a third-grade teacher, and a few of my friends in high school had their parents as teachers (most of them tried to avoid it - after all, they'll spend all their time at home with one another as well, but when there's only one drama teacher at the school and you want to take a theater class, you don't have many options...) It would be utterly ridiculous if there were a problem with it at Hogwarts, but then again, that may depend on who's influence is making the decision - we've already seen some poor policies from both the school board and the Ministry of Magic.

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Solitaire - Jan 28, 2006 10:04 pm (#962 of 983)

I can see Percy being palmed off on Hogwarts, if he begins to bug Scrimgeour. I used to work in the corporate world, and I saw a lot of this. Occasionally, a VP would promote some annoying jerk just to get the guy out of the department. Sometimes entire departments would be "restructured" and certain positions simply eliminated. The employees in question would usually be offered positions in some other departments, but generally they would wind up quitting. Then, new positions (with the exact same duties as the old ones) would be created and filled by someone else.

Yeah, I can see Percy falling into this trap. His ego would prevent him from looking too closely and seeing the real truth. But I agree that putting him in the DADA position would certainly open up some rich plot possibilities.

Solitaire

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ex-FAHgeek - Jan 29, 2006 2:42 pm (#963 of 983)

Edited by Jan 29, 2006 1:44 pm
We've certainly seen that strategy used with Bertha Jorkins - and even Barty Crouch Sr. (although I always got the impression that he was genuinely good in the Magical Cooperation position, as he had the skills for it and there wouldn't have been the same opportunity for some of his less desirable traits - ruthlessness, inflexibility, etc. - to flourish that there was in the Law Enforcement Dept.)

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castle - Feb 14, 2006 11:46 am (#964 of 983)

Hi everyone I reckon that is a sort of trick question,what I mean is throughout the series J.K Rowling has given us a new DADA Teacher Quirrel,Lockhart,Lupin,Moody,Umbridge and Snape then in book 7 The Half Blood Prince we find out the reason why howwarts can't keep a DADA teacher for more than a year, that being because Voldemort cursed the position of DADA teacher after he was turned down the teaching post by Dumbledore. I thought this relevant to this question because of a few other points and from previous Harry Potter books and is one of the reasons I have come to think as I do. The other points I mentioned earlier are leader of the Affiliation Dumnledor's Army how only one person in the year got an Outstanding OWL beating Hermione Granger the smartest person in that year...That's right people I predict that if Harry Potter does not die in book 7 he will become the Permanent DADA teacher at hogwarts. If anyone reads this and would like to send me their responses via email please feel free to do so.

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haymoni - Feb 14, 2006 1:59 pm (#965 of 983)

JKR has stated that Harry will NOT become a teacher.

I'm not good at finding those quotes, but I'm sure one of the Forum members can dig that up.

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dhpottrerfan - Feb 15, 2006 10:03 pm (#966 of 983)

haymoni, I happen to agree with castle, but not in book seven per say, but possibly in the epilogue where JKR says she has written about those who survive book seven she may state that. Harry becomes the DADA Teacher. Hey he started DA, why not DADA. There is one problem however, I remember hearing JKR saying that even Harry may die, I hope she was only stirring the pot with that quote so us readers will not automatically assume that he lives.

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Amilia Smith - Feb 16, 2006 1:11 am (#967 of 983)

Found it! From the WBUR interview, 1999. Jo is taking calls. This question is from a sixth grade class:

Anyway, it’s very exciting. We just love Harry Potter. We’re curious ---- well first of all we can’t wait for Books 4, 5, 6 and 7. But after that, we’re curious as to whether Harry is going to have a life after Hogwarts, or if maybe, Harry might be a Hogwarts teacher.
JKR: Well, because all your kids said ‘hello’ so nicely in the background there, I am going to give you information I haven’t given anyone else and I will tell you that one of the characters, one of Harry’s classmates, though it’s not Harry himself, does end up a teacher at Hogwarts. But, it is not, maybe the one you think, hint, hint, hint. Yeah, one of them does end up staying at Hogwarts, but ----
Do the kids want to guess at it, Kathleen?
JKR: Do you guys have a guess as to who it is?
(Kids shouting in background) Ron
JKR: No, it’s not Ron. I can’t see Ron as a teacher. No way.

End quote.

And more recently, although not having to do with DADA specifically, there is this from the World Day chat, 2004:

gazza: Will harry become head master of hogwarts?
JK Rowling replies -> I'm not sure I can see Harry in an academic career, he's seen so much action!

End quote.

While I too think Harry would make a great DADA teacher, I can see where Jo is coming from saying that he would find acadamia too tame.

Mills.

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Weeny Owl - Feb 16, 2006 6:44 am (#968 of 983)

The other points I mentioned earlier are leader of the Affiliation Dumnledor's Army how only one person in the year got an Outstanding OWL

Where does it say Harry is the only one who received an Outstanding in the Defense O.W.L.?

Ron and Hermione didn't get Outstandings, but there are other Gryffindors as well as three other houses.

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frogface - Feb 16, 2006 7:25 am (#969 of 983)

It should be Neville or Luna

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haymoni - Feb 16, 2006 7:55 am (#970 of 983)

I've always thought it would be Neville and that he would teach Herbology.

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Soul Search - Feb 16, 2006 8:52 am (#971 of 983)

With the changes we saw in Neville in OotP, why not DADA professor?

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haymoni - Feb 16, 2006 9:04 am (#972 of 983)

Because he seems to really LIKE Herbology and I think JKR's epilogue on him could read:

"Neville Longbottom is currently employed as a Herbology Professor at Hogwarts School of Witchcraft & Wizardry. He is in the process of publishing a paper on the 12 uses of Stink Sap from the Mimbulus Mimbletonia."

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Solitaire - Feb 17, 2006 12:23 am (#973 of 983)

LOL Haymoni! I like it ... and I, too, think it will be Neville! I could see Hermione one day being a Head but not a professor. Hmmmmmmmmm ... now, why is that?

Solitaire

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Weeny Owl - Feb 17, 2006 3:13 am (#974 of 983)

I could see Lavender replacing Trelawney, Neville replacing Sprout, or any number of students from other houses teaching, but I could never see it with the trio.

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Solitaire - Feb 18, 2006 11:46 am (#975 of 983)

Actually, I think Hermione will become Minister of Magic ... and become Dolores Umbridge's boss. **evil laugh** I do believe Neville or Luna could become professors at Hogwarts.

Solitaire

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bigearl - Feb 23, 2006 2:36 pm (#976 of 983)

I think the choice of an Auror would be logical, since Aurors are already guarding Hogwarts, why not 'plant' one inside the school.

I'd like to see Kingsley Shacklebolt or Tonks become DADA teacher. They also seem likely to possibly be Gryffindors, perhaps head-of-house also.

The Idea of Bill Weasley become DADA teacher, is interesting, but seems unlikely between being a Newly-wed and the Half-Werewolf thing. I do hope to see Bill using his Gringotts Curse Breaker skills, to help Harry hunt down a Horcrux.

Mad-Eye seems like another possible choice, since he never really taught DADA, he might slip through a loop-hole in "The Curse of the DADA Teachers"

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Nathan Zimmermann - Feb 23, 2006 2:53 pm (#977 of 983)

I am not so certain about the next DADA teaching being an active Auror. Perhaps one of the older members of the Order like Elphias Doge or Diggle. Although, I secretly hope that the next DADA teacher is Albus Dumbledore and that he is not dead.

If it is an Auror, I hope it is not Dawlish he does not seem to be more than a follower who can not think outside the box.

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Esther Rose - Feb 23, 2006 3:02 pm (#978 of 983)

Nathan,

How about Aberforth, or Albus pretending to be Aberforth. Or Aberforth pretending to be Albus pretending to be Aberforth. =)

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bigearl - Feb 23, 2006 3:32 pm (#979 of 983)

Hmmm, Aberforth - "I want to see 2 feet of parchment on cursing goats on my desk by Friday"

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Choices - Feb 23, 2006 7:16 pm (#980 of 983)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
LOL Of course, he won't be able to read them.

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Mediwitch - Feb 23, 2006 9:09 pm (#981 of 983)

"We could have all been killed-- or worse, expelled!"
There must be some kind of text-to-voice spell...like Dragon Naturally Speaking for parchment rather than PCs...they could even keep the name "Dragon"!

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Caius Iulius - Feb 25, 2006 5:11 am (#982 of 983)

The giant squid for DADA teacher?

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K Stahl - Feb 25, 2006 6:00 pm (#983 of 983)

What about Mundungus Fletcher who is really Dumbledore in disguise? After all he was the former transfiguration professor and Tonks did say that if Harry wanted to change his appearance, he would have to do it the hard way. This leaves open the possibility that there are methods of transformation other than polyjuice potion. Of course, the headmistress might be hard put to justify it to the board of governors.

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