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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  freshwater on Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:38 am

Solitaire, I agree with you that the omission of Harry repairing his holly wand with the elder wand, omits a critical message in that he was not only rejecting the Elder wand, but was reclaiming his original wand.

Potterholic, you make an excellent point about how well Helena B-C played "Hermione as Bellatrix"....she was very convincing!

I just saw if for a second time --3-D this time....glasses over my own glasses was rather annoying... and noticed that when Harry rolled out of Hagrid's arms and "returned" to life, many of the DE's disapparated out of LV's group. While I like the idea that they were so freaked out by Harry once again NOT being killed by LV's AK, don't they know that YOU CAN'T APPARATE OUT OF HOGWARTS?!? Haven't they ever read Hogwarts: A History?

Just recalled: when we saw Griphook and Ron use the clankers to scare back the dragon, my friend commented, "So that's how you handle a dragon: more cowbell!"
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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Verity Weasley on Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:09 am

I agree with pretty much everything else that's been written on here. Unfortunately, budget and time constraints mean that I won't get another chance to see the movie until it's released on DVD. I'm looking forward to watching parts 1 and 2 back to back. Some more thoughts:

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I agree that Ginny's hair looked a bit dated in the epilogue, but it still didn't do the trick of making her look any older. I also thought Hermione still looked very young. The aging make up seemed to work a bit better on Harry, Ron and Draco. It was good to see Draco included in the epilogue.

PAH, you mentioned scenes being reminiscent of LOTR. I'm not a big LOTR fan so I probably didn't get that. However, I did think that the film-makers were really hammering the second world war parallels. The security at Gringotts looked like Hitler youth with those uniforms, and then the radio message 'Lightning has struck' reminded me of wartime too.

Voldemort's hug - yeuch! Since when does Voldemort hug people?

Also loved Filch at the end and his attempts to clean up.

Bogrod! affraid And Ron's line!

Choices, I'm not sure you needed a spoiler box for that!

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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Puck on Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:04 am

Still haven't seen it. Someday next week. However, I have been reading the spoilers. It's not as though I don't know the ending. I just had to LOL about Harry and Lily both having eyes that opened and closed. (And the bit about him having his mother's eyes was not left out of the films in general, because there is the bit on the bridge in PoA when Lupin comments on this.) So, what color eyes does grown-up Lily have? Hazel?
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Harry's eyes...

Post  Potteraholic on Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:46 am

Yes, Lupin mentions Harry's eyes being Like Lily's in PoA. He mentions them being kind like hers, or something like that, right?
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The filmmakers always glossed over/skirted around the importance of them being green, to Snape, anyway, and why it was so important that Harry looked at him before Snape dies in the Shrieking Shack. The power of all that, of Harry's eyes being the last visual reminder of Snape's beloved Lily Evans, is just lost in the movies. (The non-HP readers I saw the movie with yesterday didn't get the connection. I had to explain it to them.)

I know the '"green eyes like his mother's" point was lost because Dan's eyes are blue, but if later scripts still mention this common trait shared between Harry and Lily, so remarkable that everyone he meets who knew her tells him about it, then I would've thought they'd try to do something to make it clear what that common trait was. With all the money spent on CGI for this movie, a little colorization of the young Lily's eyes wouldn't have broken the bank, surely?

Just a few galleons here and there would've done the job.


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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  HungarianHorntail11 on Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:16 pm

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Opening music - NO! What happened to the theme song?

I still cried. I knew I would - the beginning of the end.

I laughed about the opening and closing of eyes, too! I agree about the moment being kind of swallowed up when Snape looked at Harry for the last time.

There are many kinds of villains and Voldemort was not a hugger. I am a hugger, therefore, I should know.

Not happy they left out the death of Fred but it was still sad and that's where Percy lost it.

So in the end, Big V . . . disintegrated??

Some of the parts were a bit overdone - such as when the Grey Lady went through Harry. Okay, enough of that - we saw it in SS. I'm just glad Draco didn't call Hermione a mudblood again.

One question: I could not remember it in the book and neither could Olivia. Did Griphook die in the book?


I think we will try and go again, perhaps a matinee, so hubby can see it. (That's a great excuse, isn't it?)
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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Verity Weasley on Sat Jul 16, 2011 4:54 pm

As far as I remember, we never hear of Griphook again. We certainly don't hear that he has been killed.

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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Betelgeuse Black on Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:29 pm

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I think Verity is right that we don't see Griphook again in the book. I guess it was all about showing the sword disappear.

Voldy's disintegration was similar to Nagini's. The other horcruxes seemed to show Voldy's face in a violent tornado of water or smoke. Its seems inconsistent to me that the horcruxes would die violently and Voldy would blow away more gently. (Am I remembering this correctly? scratch

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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  HungarianHorntail11 on Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:09 pm

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Thanks about the info regarding Griphook. Glad to learn I'm not going crazy.

Regarding Big V's death, the idea was for his demise to be by his own hand rather than make Harry a killer - which is how it happened in the book - but the movie made it kind of vague and fade-awayish. There, I've made a new word.
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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Madam Pince on Sat Jul 16, 2011 10:28 pm

Went to the movie this afternoon. I agree with Viola: I loved it and it is far and away my favorite, if for no other reason than that we finally get to see a range of emotion from Snape. Alan Rickman was so wonderful! And the whole thing was so action-packed! We went to the 3:00 show and arrived at about 2:25 and the theater was already filling up. We got the last three seats that were together that weren't in the very front/lower section. (I had asked the concierge and they told us that if all the seats were taken except for the front ones, that we could exchange for the 4:00 show. I sat in those front-row seats once, and I will NOT do that again -- very uncomfortable!) We elected for the 2-D version, but I will do the 3-D version one day next week just to see what it's like -- I hope they won't run out of the "special" Harry glasses! I did not dress up, but I wore my Fawkes necklace and put Lego Dobby and Lego Snape on my purse in honor of the occasion.

Here's my thoughts: (Thom, you do "spoiler" by going up top to the little boxes and click on "others" and find "spoiler" and click on that... type in-between the ][ thingys...)
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I am mortified to say that I completely forgot that Harry used the Elder Wand to repair his own wand. Clearly it did not make the philosophical impression on me that it should've... I also have to admit that I didn't miss McGonnagal's anguished scream upon seeing Harry's "body." It was just as well to me for it to be Ginny. Her scenes with Harry weren't that great, unfortunately.

One thing that seemed totally unrealistic to me -- here goes Harry off to face his death, and Hermione cries and hugs him and offers to go along... and Ron stands there like a lump and says nothing. NOTHING! I mean, if you knew your best friend was walking away to die, wouldn't you at least say good-bye? A little man-hug? Something? Geez. It reminded me of the ending of HBP where Ron sits way back away from them while Harry and Hermione philosophize about starting the Great Horcrux Hunt.

I agree that the scene where Harry drags Voldy off the bridge is just totally stupid -- and what was with the face-morphing? The whole thing added nothing beneficial. All it accomplished was removing them from everyone else. I can only assume that the moviemakers felt it was important for the final battle to be just one-on-one. On the contrary, I thought that having it take place in front of everyone was one of the best parts of the whole deal, and we missed that.

When I saw Harry running around with that basilisk fang, I was terrified that they were going to rob Neville of his big moment, and then I saw Hermione and Ron each had one too, and I was simply mortified. I had resolved that if they didn't let Neville do it I was going to stand up and scream bloody murder. Thank heavens I didn't have to go so far. LOL.

I was sorry we didn't get to see Fred's death more plainly. We deserved to see George's reaction too. They were a big part of the series and deserved more.

I was surprised that Filch got more screen time than Hagrid did.

I thought they "aged" Harry and Draco very well for the epilogue. I could not tell that they "aged" Ron, Hermione, or Ginny at all (except for Ginny's bad hair.) I thought Harry's and Albus Severus' scene was very well done.

I loved McGonnagal's "I always wanted to use that spell" and agree that the stone knights were awesome. I thought it was very difficult to tell that it was Lavender that Fenrir was attacking. She looked dead, didn't she? I thought that in the book, it was left vague as to whether she died or not.

Denise, you and I just cry at different stuff I guess, because even in the movie I didn't cry at the Forest Again scene, nor do I recall even really noticing the Headmasters' Tribute in the book. However, I bawled like a baby at the whole Prince's Tale scene. (See, I TOLD you guys Snape was at Godric's Hollow that night!!! Ha.) But seriously, when Snape was holding dead Lily and crying over her? And Rickman's anguished face when he conjured his doe patronus for Dumbledore and said "Always" ... well, I completely lost it. I agree with whomever said that viewing Nagini's attack on Snape partially obscured was very effective, and I have to say that I liked the line "You have your mother's eyes" MUCH better than "Look at me!" I remember them saying the "mother's eyes" thing several times in the movies, and I think that was a far better final line... That being said, I immediately noticed that young-Lily's eyes nowhere approached green or blue, and I cannot BELIEVE that the moviemakers overlooked that detail. Sheesh! Adult Lily had light-colored eyes! Grrrrrrr...

Loved Neville... just loved loved loved him. Luna and Neville as a couple -- well, I don't care how JKR wrote it; in MY mind they were going to be a couple regardless, so in this one case I'm glad the moviemakers thumbed their noses at JKR and said "Nyah, we're putting them together no matter what you said." LOL. I didn't like that Harry told Ron/Hermione to kill the snake, instead of telling Neville. (I had a very clear picture in my mind of Harry taking Neville by the shoulders and looking directly into his eyes and telling him "Kill the snake" and Neville looking momentarily confused but then suddenly resolute and saying "Right. Kill the snake. Right." However, that might've taken away some of the "Tah-Dahhhhh!" effect of suddenly seeing Neville do it...)

Wish we could've gotten more of the Dumbledore backstory, but I see why they had to leave it out. Ariana looked very much like I'd pictured her. Helena Ravenclaw's ghost was lovely and the effect was well-done. The diadem was gorgeous. Love those props -- hope they all go into a museum somewhere someday!

Where was Oliver Wood? I wanted to see him. (Ahem. Purely academically, of course.)

It still totally irritates me that they never explained about Sirius' mirror back in OotP when they should've.

Can't believe they only gave Trelawney a three-second cameo. Wonder how much that cost them?

Loved the dragon in Gringotts. Also the Fiendfyre in the ROR was awesome! And the bridge falling after Neville was taunting the Snatchers... the whole movie was chock-full of excellent special effects!

Our theater was very quiet and well-behaved. I think I was the only one who cheered when Molly said her "bitch" line and when Neville axed Nagini. The only exception -- everyone laughed when Voldemort "hugged" returning Draco. I was totally confused as to why they laughed. It worked for me -- I didn't get the laughter.

Voldemort's death reminded me of Quirrell's. It didn't seem "right" though -- it should've been a clear rebound and his body should've been lying there. Alas earwax. Somehow, though, I loved it that Bellatrix "exploded." Hmmm... we need to know what that new spell was... it's pretty cool!

Oh, and it seemed to me that a LOT happened in the first twenty minutes or so. I was thinking "They're going too fast! This movie will only be an hour and a half long!" But they filled it up nicely.

I'm sure I'll think of more... though this is long enough as it is. LOL.



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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Viola on Sat Jul 16, 2011 11:25 pm

I took Phil and the girls to see it today. I splurged on the Imax 3D. I loved it (again). I was disappointed that we didn't get Harry Potter 3D glasses this time. They were the standard yellow. I was afraid that I would get motion sick, but was fine. The audience reaction was better than I expected it to be. It was not as enthusiastic as it was Friday morning, but still very good. My family is just heartless, they didn't cry at all. scratch

I still have not recovered from the midnight showing, then working all day. I got plenty of sleep Friday night, but am still tired today.

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Not bad

Post  Gerald Costales on Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:22 am

I agree with most of the comments. Don't think the things I have in the my spoiler box are spoilers but just in case . . .

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Voldemort chasing Harry could have been cut to let other things into the movie. For instance, there was no back story on Arianna, Alberforth, the Dumbledore family, etc. Isn't it amazing how Hermione knew about Arianna. Must have read it about Arianna in The Life and Lies of Albus Dumbledore by Rita Skeeter. Didn't mine the Stone Knights used in the movie but I would have loved to have seen the galloping desks that McGonagall did in the book as well as Trelawney throwing crystal balls. Don't mind the Elder Wand being destroyed but Harry should have repaired his Phoenix Wand first. Also, liked the pairing of Neville and Luna. I wanted to see Teddy Tonks and Victoire Weasley during the Epilogue.

The two mirror wasn't explained very well. I thought the movie did a good job explaining the wandlore in regards to Snape, Voldemort, Draco and Harry having control of the Elder Wand. Wandlore is a sore point for me in regards to the 7th Book. Ginny was mostly invisible but a lot of people had little or no screen time as well.


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Post  HungarianHorntail11 on Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:23 am

Hi Gerald!! So nice to see you here!

It would have been nice for them to keep the lines to the characters they originated from. I find many things troubling when they use too much interpretive freedom, rather than canon.

I suppose that is why I don't read the books just before the movies as Olivia did and admittedly, was annoyed with the differences.
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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Madam Pince on Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:11 pm

Verity Weasley wrote:

Bogrod! affraid And Ron's line!


What does that mean?
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Post  Verity Weasley on Sun Jul 17, 2011 12:35 pm

Bogrod was the other goblin who accompanied them to the vault under the imperius curse. He met an unfortunate end. Ron's reaction amused me!

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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  D.W. on Sun Jul 17, 2011 1:28 pm

Got the special Harry Potter 3D glasses at the 1.30 am showing Friday morning. Friday afternoon at 3.30 it was just the regular 3D glasses, not as cool and also not as good as I could see the frame while I was using them which spoiled the effect really.
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Post  Marie E. on Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:43 pm

We had regular 3-D glasses, what a gyp!

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Post  HungarianHorntail11 on Sun Jul 17, 2011 2:57 pm

Marie, I wonder if they received a box and the workers kept them for themselves?

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A friend saw it last night and called me to ask if Snape was possibly Harry's father. Obviously, she hadn't read the books. My point is that the movies can really mislead a viewer with their "creative licensing".
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Post  D.W. on Sun Jul 17, 2011 3:24 pm

Mr. W said he thought the Harry potter 3D glasses were for the middle of the night showings only.

Woman in front of me (who had only see film 1 and not read the books - but was with her grown up son who was a "true" fan - could quote the books but had also seen all the films) also thought
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Snape was Harry's father!
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Post  Madam Pince on Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:06 pm

Geez, that did not even remotely occur to me (obviously) but now that everyone mentions that, I can see where that could be a problem. Wow... there's a glitch the writers obviously never considered...

Thanks, Verity! Totally forgot who Bogrod was. I can't remember Ron's line -- it might've been one of the ones that I couldn't hear. There were two or three lines that I missed, and one of them was one that got a lot of laughs, so that might've been it... I know one was one of Dumbledore's lines, and I was right ticked that I missed it...
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Post  journeymom on Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:40 pm

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Madam Pince "I thought it was very difficult to tell that it was Lavender that Fenrir was attacking. She looked dead, didn't she? I thought that in the book, it was left vague as to whether she died or not." I agree, in the book is was vague whether she lived or not, and I chose to believe she lived. There's a moment in the movie when Harry is walking through the great hall seeing the injured and dead on both sides, and he sees Trelawney and a Patel sister crying over a body, that I thought was either the other Patel sister or Lavender. Frankly I'm surprised and sooo glad they included the scene with Greyback and Lavender, so Hermione could blow him away. I thought it was such a compelling little scene.

I think I saw Oliver Wood standing with the Weasleys at one point.

Yes, everyone in the theater laughed when Voldemort hugged Draco, here too. I was baffled. I can't say that scene worked for me but I didn't get why people laughed.

And yes, I totally thought of LOTR when Voldemort and his army descended on Hogwarts. Nicely done.
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Re: Deathy Hallows Part II

Post  Denise P. on Sun Jul 17, 2011 10:50 pm

Replying to Journeymom:

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Yes, everyone in the theater laughed when Voldemort hugged Draco, here too. I was baffled. I can't say that scene worked for me but I didn't get why people laughed.

It got a laugh because it was so insanely ridiculous! Voldie is a fighter, not a hugger (coming from a non-hugger...I know this) and Draco was as stiff as a board. It was just awkward and not at all sincere but so unexpected, you could not help but to snort/giggle at it.

I took Millicent to see it and she was rather "eh" about it. Silly child.

I have to say, I went through more tissue the second time around than I did the first time. At least I will be prepared when I see it on Tuesday.

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Post  Ludicrous Patents Office on Sun Jul 17, 2011 11:01 pm

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Madame P I really liked the scenes with Snape at Godric's Hollow. I kept thinking another Forum theory proved right! I sobbed at the scene when Lily, James, Remus and Sirius come for Harry. I'm glad Harry mentions Remus' son. Upon further consideration I like Harry snapping the elder wand in two. It demonstrated how he was met to find but not use items for his personal gain.

I'm looking froward to taking my Niece tomorrow to see it in 3D.
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Post  freshwater on Mon Jul 18, 2011 12:31 am

I really didn't like the way LV died....too much special effects budget. I prefer his death in the book: his body just flumps to the floor w/no fanfare or drama.....he's just a man after all, despite all his efforts to be immortal.

I did like Harry's line about "When have any of our plans ever worked?..."
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Post  Verity Weasley on Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:01 am

Freshwater, I liked that line too!

Madam P:

Spoiler:
After Griphook's betrayal when the trio are wondering what they're going to do now, Ron says, "we've still got Bogrod." Then Bogrod gets incinerated and Ron deadpans, "that's unfortunate."

Not sure what Dumbledore said that got a laugh though.

As I already mentioned:
Spoiler:
My husband also thought the flashback scenes were intimating that Snape was Harry's father. I'm sure a lot of non-readers would have thought that.

I agree with everyone's comments about LV's death. Just because you CAN do spectacular special effects, doesn't mean you SHOULD. The book version was so much more satisfying.


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Post  Mona on Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:12 am

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About people thinking Snape was trying to tell Harry he was his father - What fun! I'm going to see it with Hubby next week, and I'm not going to tell him anything. I wonder if he'll make the same mistake.

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