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So Sirius - Jan 4, 2007 7:41 pm
Edited by Kip Carter Jan 24, 2007 2:23 am

    For years now, people have asked me whether I ever dream that I am ‘in’ Harry’s world. The answer was ‘no’ until a few nights ago, when I had an epic dream in which I was, simultaneously, Harry and the narrator. I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall as I imagine it. As the narrator I knew perfectly well that the Horcrux was jammed in a hidden nook in the fireplace, while as Harry I was searching for it in all kinds of other places, while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them. Meanwhile waiters and waitresses who work in the real café which I have written huge parts of book seven roamed around me as though on stilts, all of them at least fifteen feet high. Perhaps I should cut back on the caffeine?

Interesting, eh? Let's dissect, shall we?

I see the fireplace being in the Gryffindor common room. I think Hogwarts will be under great turmoil in 7. The ROR for sure. Although I think the MOM will play heavily into this too. Horcruxes will be the big issue for book 7. I do find it interesting that Harry is searching and the narrator feels helpless to help him, although they are the same person.

I think it means she, Jo, wants to save Harry and i'm not sure she can, as the writer of the story. Guilt, maybe?

The waiters on stilts, hovering around. The early days of writing are all gone. The end has come.

Edit: I don't know when this dream took place. It could be a long time ago, but I just came across it now and haven't seen this on the forum, so thought it would make a nice discussion.

The quote above starts in the second paragraph of DECEMBER 19th of Jo's Diary on her website. (The link takes you to the text version.) - Kip





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Post  John Bumbledore on Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:17 pm



painting Sheila - Jan 4, 2007 7:59 pm (#1 of 54)

What do you suppose the stilts meant? They were out of reach - she was to far down/gone to help? They couldn't help her any more - she didn't need to write there any more?

How do you think she actually writes in busy places like that. I mean really, If i had seen her there - you bet I would have sat right down and stared at her for hours! Surely other people do the same - or am I just strange?

Okay - back to the dream!



Finn BV - Jan 4, 2007 9:14 pm (#2 of 54)

Interesting, yes. Dissecting -- eh…

I don't think Jo would just post about a dream with the intention of it being significant or symbolic. If there were any true connections to the series which could be figured out, she wouldn't have mentioned it. I often have dreams where people seem much taller than me, especially when I'm running around.

It was very amusing though. I'd like to imagine her trying to get the other characters to say her lines though.



haymoni - Jan 5, 2007 6:20 am (#3 of 54)

Maybe they were on stilts so they could peer down at what she was writing.



So Sirius - Jan 5, 2007 7:03 am (#4 of 54)

Finn, I agree, I don't think she'd give us a dream that told us the whole story, but then again, who ever thought she'd give a title to a book before it came out? Perhaps now that it's truly at the end, everything's off the table, so to speak, for her. Maybe she truly feels we're in the know and it's just a matter of summing it all up now. Not that this dream tells us much, or does it? We need a dream interpreter to help us with this one.

Sheila, when she was writing at the cafe, it was when she was conjuring up the book or in the early days, before the time where we'd have understood where this would all lead. Perhaps if we see someone writing in a cafe today, we should take it seriously, get their autograph and ask about the book and it's ending, just in case.



colbow - Jan 5, 2007 8:32 am (#5 of 54)

SO SIRIUS wrote- Sheila, when she was writing at the cafe, it was when she was conjuring up the book or in the early days, before the time where we'd have understood where this would all lead. Perhaps if we see someone writing in a cafe today, we should take it seriously, get their autograph and ask about the book and it's ending, just in case.

Now that's a good idea, you never know do you?





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Post  John Bumbledore on Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:27 pm



journeymom - Jan 5, 2007 1:30 pm (#6 of 54)

I think the dream is significant, but I can't decide if she really had this dream or if she dreamed it up. Another one of her puzzles? She must love toying with us! You KNOW this is for her die hard fans, as who else would learn that or care that JKRowling had a dream?

From the JK Rowling Official Site thread, #1812 - Liz Mann

"Searching: To dream that you are searching for something signifies the need to find something that is missing or needed in your life. You may be searching for the solution to a problem.

Waiter/waitress: To see a waiter in your dream suggests that you are in need of nurturance and to feel special. The dream may also be a pun and you need to be patient and wait.

Stilts: To dream that you are walking on stilts indicates that you are feeling insecure. A situation or relationship is unstable. You are doing your best trying to balance the various aspects of your life."

The searching explanation is a big Duh! to me. To dream that you are searching signifies something is missing? I can see it being symbolic of a larger puzzle, though.

So Sirius, you mention the RoR. When a person requires a place to hide something it is a 'gigantic hall', like a cathedral, and 'crowded' with stuff.

"I had an epic dream in which I was, simultaneously, Harry and the narrator. I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall as I imagine it. As the narrator I knew perfectly well that the Horcrux was jammed in a hidden nook in the fireplace, while as Harry I was searching for it in all kinds of other places, while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them. Meanwhile waiters and waitresses who work in the real café which I have written huge parts of book seven roamed around me as though on stilts, all of them at least fifteen feet high. Perhaps I should cut back on the caffeine?"

Kreacher, in a fit of guilt, hides the locket in the Gryffindor fireplace. He sticks his head into the floo at 12 Grimmauld and drops it into a corner of the fireplace. (Except it might melt.)

Making the people say lines. She's having a hard time translating the end story she wrote years ago into the current book.

Waiters at least 15 feet high from the cafe she will soon end that particular relationship with = Hagrid will die. Yup. No doubt about it.

Or, maybe she talking to us, the readers. We're searching for the answer to the puzzle of this final story. We're incredibly impatient for the answers. She's telling us to be patient and wait. Our relationship with her is unstable, as it is ending. She's pleading with us to understand she needs more balance in her life.



So Sirius - Jan 5, 2007 8:19 pm (#7 of 54)

"So Sirius, you mention the RoR. When a person requires a place to hide something it is a 'gigantic hall', like a cathedral, and 'crowded' with stuff."

Journeymom, exactly. That's why I brought it up. It seems that we're certainly going to be seeing this room again. Harry left his new book there and I'm sure he'll be back for it and notice some things (a horcrux perhaps) in there.

Also, the MoM. I've been saying this since DH was announced... that the room we don't know about yet, in the MoM that carries powers LV knows not, yet Harry has more than enough of, will surely come into play. Perhaps that room carries other items like the veil that Sirius went through.



Chemyst - Jan 6, 2007 7:16 pm (#8 of 54)

"mak(ing) the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them."

She must have been dreaming of a paradise! If only I could get people to say what I wanted!





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Soul Search - Jan 7, 2007 8:09 am (#9 of 54)

I am going to suggest JKR really didn't have a "dream," as such. This was really a little tidbit "gift" for us to obsess over. Here's my read on what it all means.

"For years now, people have asked me whether I ever dream that I am ‘in’ Harry’s world. The answer was ‘no’ until a few nights ago, when I had an epic dream in which I was, simultaneously, Harry and the narrator."

"Epic?" Sounds like the dream is important. We should pay attention. She is both Harry and the narrator. I take this to mean we should really, really, pay attention to what she is about to reveal.

"I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall as I imagine it."

Searching for a horcrux? Someone better be searching for four horcurxes. Okay, Harry will be searching for horcruxes in DH. I think we figured that out.

"Gigantic, crowded hall," fits the RoR storeroom where Harry hid the HBP potions book. Well, we sort of figured this out, too (maybe.)

"As the narrator I knew perfectly well that the Horcrux was jammed in a hidden nook in the fireplace, ..."

THERE IS A HORCRUX IN A "HIDDEN NOOK IN THE FIREPLACE." I don't recall mention of a fireplace in the RoR storeroom. My best candidate for a storeroom horcrux was the tiara. It wasn't in any hidden nook. Are we wrong about a horcrux being in the storeroom? In any case, it sounds like the tiara isn't the horcrux in the storeroom. Harry didn't explore any "hidden nooks," so it is something we haven't seen yet? Maybe the cup is hidden in a nook in the RoR. That's why Voldemort pretended to want to visit Dumbledore; he wanted to hide the cup in a nook in the RoR fireplace. (How's that for stretching a clue!)

"... while as Harry I was searching for it in all kinds of other places, ..."

Sounds like Harry is going to search a lot before finding anything. "All kinds of other places" seems to say Harry will travel around some, and search a lot of blind alleys before figuring out he should be looking in the RoR.

"... while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them."

Well, she "prearranges" all the lines, so no big surprise here. On the other hand, the reference seems to be for Harry trying to make people around him say lines. I don't understand that.

"Meanwhile waiters and waitresses who work in the real café which I have written huge parts of book seven roamed around me as though on stilts, all of them at least fifteen feet high."

"Waiters and waitresses" could mean house elves. "On stilts, ... fifteen feet high" could mean giants. I wonder if any of the waiters' and waitresses' names end up in a book?

She actually sits in a café and writes! Where? I won't bother her, I just want to watch her write. Okay, I may make a few, very minor, suggestions ...

"Perhaps I should cut back on the caffeine?"

No. No. Drink as much caffeine as you need. Keep writing. Hurry up.



journeymom - Jan 7, 2007 2:21 pm (#10 of 54)

[whispers] "Harry lives, Harry lives... Ron, Hermione, Luna, Neville, Ginny, all the Weasleys live... Pettigrew dies... Snape dies a noble death..."



Mediwitch - Jan 7, 2007 7:28 pm (#11 of 54)

On the other hand, the reference seems to be for Harry trying to make people around him say lines. I don't understand that.

Maybe that's Harry trying to make people fit into molds (for lack of a better word) that they don't belong in - he's convinced Snape murdered Dumbledore, so maybe he's wrong about that, or maybe it's something else. Could also be about James, as others have speculated that we'll learn that James wasn't the person Harry thought he was. "People" as the plural makes it sound like Harry might be wrong about more than one person.





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Post  John Bumbledore on Sat Feb 26, 2011 11:30 pm



So Sirius - Jan 7, 2007 8:33 pm (#12 of 54)

I'm not sure that part is literal in the story, as much as it is personally, for her. Jo has been writing this book for a long time and she in essence is Harry. Her thoughts, her words have been Harry's thoughts and actions and they are one in the same. Yet in her dream, she is both, kind of like Harry and LV. Sharing a soul. Perhaps it's simply that she's having a hard time ending things, or losing that bit of her soul that's been with her for so long, or we can take it to the book and say that Harry is orchestrating everything and perhaps in the end, this will all be a dream.



journeymom - Jan 7, 2007 9:39 pm (#13 of 54)

"... perhaps in the end, this will all be a dream. "

Bite your tongue!



Laura W - Jan 7, 2007 11:29 pm (#14 of 54)

"and perhaps in the end, this will all be a dream." (So Sirius)

"Bite your tongue!" (journeymom)

... or, better yet, go and iron your fingers with a particularly hot iron, So Sirius ! (grin)

Laura



Soul Search - Jan 8, 2007 9:04 am (#15 of 54)

"... while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them."

Best I can come up with for this is people are telling Harry things he doesn't want to hear. Say, Harry is being told Snape is on the "good" side, but Harry doesn't want to hear it.

Harry wants people to agree with him that Snape is as evil as Voldemort, but they keep telling him Snape is good.



timrew - Jan 8, 2007 2:34 pm (#16 of 54)

Yeah, I bet Harry will be taking a shower, and comes out with the line, "So, it was all a dream!"

If it's this way "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" will be a very short book............



Laura W - Jan 8, 2007 7:34 pm (#17 of 54)

Hey, timrew, we already know that the last word of the last book is "scar," so it would have to be: "Yeah, I bet Harry will be taking a shower, will hit his forehead on the shower head and comes out with the line, 'So, it was all a dream! Hmm, where did I get this scar?' " (chortle, chortle)

sorry about that ... things have been getting way too tense for me over on the Severus Snape thread ... just needed to be silly to release my own personal pressure valve ... thanks, tim

Laura



Phelim Mcintyre - Jan 9, 2007 4:48 am (#18 of 54)

As I writer I know the horror and joy when characters you created take on a life of their own and refuse to do what you want them to do. I think JKR may be having the same battle. "Harry you need to look over there" "What do you know" "I'm the writer of this story, I'm omniscent" "Yeah right. Hey Ron, how about some Quiddich Practice?" "HARRY, forget Quiddich just do as I tell you".



painting sheila - Jan 9, 2007 8:24 am (#19 of 54)

OH! I Just had an idea.

Maybe the part about getting people to say "lines" pre-written for them is symbolic that she is trying to get certain characters to live/become noble/be evil/save the day/etc. . and she just can't get the story to move that way

She may be struggling with the characters that die - not being able to save them because of the way the story is flowing.

That would explain the stilts also - the story is still unstable in her mind. She can't decide to make a firm commitment toward certain characters.

The stories take on a life of their own. JKR may just feel herself as a scribe at this point and not really the writer.

Does any of this make sense?

She





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Soul Search - Jan 9, 2007 8:47 am (#20 of 54)

painting sheila, you may be on to something.

Previously, she told us that one character got a reprieve, but two others died. Sounds like she didn't like where she had the plot line going, or it didn't quite work out, and has made some changes.

That would fit your idea.



painting sheila - Jan 9, 2007 9:59 am (#21 of 54)

Yeah!!

You know I would love for her to just publish (after book 7 of course) all of her notes. How fun would it be to peruse and see what she put in - what she changed - more back ground that isn't included in the books. A feast!!



Soul Search - Jan 9, 2007 10:17 am (#22 of 54)

I have heard that her books are studied in literature and/or writing classes at the college level. Wouldn't her notes, revisions, and that wonderful plot-planning chart be superb for teaching creative writing!



painting sheila - Jan 9, 2007 9:22 pm (#23 of 54)

Oh yes! Can you imagine the fun we would have dissecting all of that here on the forum?



Madam Pince - Jan 9, 2007 9:42 pm (#24 of 54)

I would certainly hope it would be an on-line course offering so that we could all register for the class!

This has been a very fun thread to read! I'm betting however, that there's not many nuggets to be gained from her dream. I don't think she would've made it public if there were.

I did think it was interesting how the dream seemed to be very much from a writer's perspective -- having others say lines she'd made up for them, and being a narrator and not being able to interfere in the progress of the story. Writers definitely look at a story in a whole different light than the rest of us.



painting sheila - Jan 9, 2007 10:46 pm (#25 of 54)

I have heard that it really does take a life of it's own. After awhile it writes itself for you - kinda.



Madame Pomfrey - Jan 11, 2007 2:33 pm (#26 of 54)

"... while trying to make the people around me say lines I had pre-arranged for them."

Maybe she is trying to get a "good character" to turn bad and visa vera.

"Meanwhile waiters and waitresses who work in the real café which I have written huge parts of book seven roamed around me as though on stilts, all of them at least fifteen feet high."

Maybe she is afraid her fans will look down on her for killing a favorite character or making them a traitor.

" I had an epic dream in which I was, simultaneously, Harry and the narrator." She is both the narrator and Harry.

Perhaps we should pay more attention to what Harry say's about Snape.





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painting sheila - Jan 11, 2007 6:33 pm (#27 of 54)

"Maybe she is afraid her fans will look down on her for killing a favorite character or making them a traitor. "

Good one Madame Pomfrey!



Thom Matheson - Jan 11, 2007 6:39 pm (#28 of 54)

Or with stilts on, they are trying to look down and read her story as it is being written. You know how see has always guarded her story from the public.



Luna Logic - Jan 12, 2007 1:40 am (#29 of 54)

Hello I’m Luna Logic, I am coming from France (sorry for my English…) to discuss on this forum because I was in need of it! I hope I will be able to write something comprehensible! (bad start...)

When I read « Jo’s Dream » on her site, I had a feeling that it may be significant (a bit) in the game she is paying with us, poor readers (volunteering victims – does that exist?).

My idea: In the Freudian theory, the dream significance is sometimes “upside down”: the dream means the opposite of the first sense.

Why did I think of that? Because of a coincidence: I was reading at that time (in a book which plot was based on alchemy) these words:

“That which is above is like to which is below, and that which is below is like to that which is above, to accomplish the miracles of one thing.” (extract from The Emerald Table).

This principle (I knew about it before, from more serious reading) is well suited which the Freudian (and also Jungian) theory of dream.

Now the element significant in the dream - for me ! - the one which caused this association, is the “stilts, all of them at least fifteen feet high”

If Jo is playing with us (in the dream), we could be the waiters and waitresses. And if we turn the scene upside down… she is on the stilts, fifteen feet high, doing what ? Concealing the Horcruxes, why not?

I did not go further… I was waiting to share this idea… but where? And the Lexicon provides again all is needed to the obsessive mind with this forum! Thanks, So Sirius, and all the debaters. (I will re read all your posts closely).

Meanwhile, the interpretation is the fact of the dreamer … But if it is a game, that she plays even in sleep, why not play further?

Be indulgent with a newcomer !



painting sheila - Jan 12, 2007 4:35 am (#30 of 54)

Oh! Luna Logis - I like where you are going. Keep it up!

She



So Sirius - Jan 12, 2007 7:56 am (#31 of 54)

HaHa Journeymom and Laura, it appears I had a reaction upon posting. Maybe Hermione had something to do with it and upon posting my *cough cough* unfathomable dream theory, I developed one of those horrid muggle illnesses's. So, no need to take any further measures Smile

I love everybody's input. I really think dreams can be a vital source of information, sometimes. They are the unconscious window to the real.

Luna logic, you're very welcome and most welcome here on the forum too. Keep posting, as SHE says, I like where you're going too.





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journeymom - Jan 12, 2007 8:37 am (#32 of 54)

Luna Logic (by the way, neat name!), you have excellent English. One could say a "volunteering victim" is a " willing victim".

I definitely agree that Jo is playing with her more, um, dedicated fans in this dream. I like the idea that she is hiding the horcruxes from us. Great post!



Madame Pomfrey - Jan 12, 2007 10:03 am (#33 of 54)

Welcome to the forum,Luna Logic. Great concept. If you love alchemy you might check out our alchemy thread.Its great.Too deep for me,though.



painting sheila - Jan 12, 2007 10:49 am (#34 of 54)

Up high . . . up high . . hmmm. . .

What about the Astronomy Tower? That has always been a bit of a mysterious place but for no apparent reason. We have had one incident there, could there be something hidden that when Harry goes there to mourn and think he will stumble across?

Maybe some place he can only reach on his broom?



Luna Logic - Jan 12, 2007 12:50 pm (#35 of 54)

Thank you very much all of you for your welcome. I was afraid to be not understood, or to be totally outside the matter. Journeymom, thank you for the willing victims! (I am).

painting sheila : you are very encouraging, really, but I’m not sure of understanding your “She” (Is that detail important, by the way ? )

Madame Pomfrey, I am not addicted to alchemy, only on logic! The matter is: what sort of logic is Jo using? In her books, for one thing ? And in her dream, for this subject? (now that is complicated to write ! I will come back another day for that point)

Some of you says that they like where I’m going too : so nice of you ! But where I’m I going ? Not very further, alone. The last bit of my idea was to associate the big hall of the dream and the waiters to make the image of the kitchen of Hogwarts. Is there something near the ceiling? (written it sounds not so much promising !)

Now I have to wait, and re read more of previous posts before speaking again !



Soul Search - Jan 12, 2007 1:38 pm (#36 of 54)

Luna Logic,

Good thought about the Hogwarts kitchen.

"I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall ..."

Previously, the RoR storeroom was interpreted as the cited hall. While it is filled with junk, it is not "crowded" with people. And there are no waiters.

From GoF, we know there is a room below the Great Hall where the (over a hundred) house elves set up the meals to be sent "up" to the Great Hall. And, there would be fireplaces too.

That would suggest there is a horcrux in the Hogwarts kitchens.





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Madame Pomfrey - Jan 12, 2007 2:59 pm (#37 of 54)

Maybe she is the one on stilts if it is reversed like Logic Luna suggested. That could mean she is looking down on Dobby in the kitchen. If there is a horcrux in the kitchen maybe Dobby will help find it.



So Sirius - Jan 12, 2007 4:27 pm (#38 of 54)

" I was searching for a Horcrux in a gigantic, crowded hall, which bore no resemblance to the Great Hall as I imagine it. "

I actually do think she was dreaming of the great hall, but in her dream it didn't look as she imagined it to look. We suspect that means she wasn't in the great hall at all, even I immediately thought she was in the MoM's entrance hall or even the RoR and now the kitchens sound good too, but then, why bring it up? I think it just may have been the great hall that she was in, in her dream, but for some reason it was altered. There may have been some destruction to it.



painting sheila - Jan 12, 2007 9:14 pm (#39 of 54)

Maybe the great hall is another Great Hall - at another school? She said we would see Krum again - maybe this is when and where - his school? Where did Krum's mentor go? (sorry I drew a blank on his name. . .) We know he ran away - but is he dead? Did he go back to the school and hide?

If it is hidden in the kitchens, maybe Winky will help him find it. She needs to be resolved some way. Fred and George are familiar with the kitchens - maybe them?

Just brain storming here. I am not sure if any of it makes sense.

She

Logic Luna - "She" is a shorten version of Sheila. My parents taught me to answer the phone using correct english. When some one would call and say, "May I speak to Sheila?, I would answer, "This is she." meaning "she" proper pronoun. It just stuck I guess. To be honest, it took me several months to get it once my friends started calling me "She". I was a little slow on the up take. (sigh) Not the first time. ;-)



Luna Logic - Jan 13, 2007 1:27 am (#40 of 54)
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Just a word : YES. Yes for the great hall in another school, yes for the real great hall of Hogwarts but deformed by the dream (to be unrecognizable – sorry for the expression…), “bien vu” Madam Pomfrey, she might be “up or high” somewhere but looking down! And yes for Fred and George and Dobby and Winky (poor Winky, does she know more than we think ?)

PS : Thank you painting she for the "This is she." (I have to understand all the details, sight… also)





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journeymom - Jan 13, 2007 10:46 am (#41 of 54)

Sheila, when you refer to Krum's mentor, do you mean Igor Karkaroff? He was headmaster of Durmstrang. When Voldemort was reborn Karkaroff ran. He was found dead, presumably killed by DE's.



Luna Logic - Jan 14, 2007 2:05 pm (#42 of 54)
Edited by Jan 14, 2007 2:07 pm

The great halls : in symmetry with

If it is hidden in the kitchens, maybe Winky will help him find it. (painting sheila)

We could think of

If it is hidden in Durmstang school, maybe Victor Krum will help him find it.

Or : another gigantic and crowded great hall : a railway station ?



painting sheila - Jan 16, 2007 7:59 am (#43 of 54)

Journeymom- Shoot! YOu are right. I had forgotten that. (hanging my head in shame) How could I forget such a big detail!!?

Madame Pomfrey - What if she is on ground level but still looking down? I am thinking of a Chamber of Secrets type scenerio. We know the chamber was under Hogwarts - and there were multiple tunnels - right?

Luna Logic - I think you are doing great!

She



journeymom - Jan 16, 2007 9:23 am (#44 of 54)

Hmm, good thought, Sheila. Maybe Tom Riddle hid a horcrux in the Chamber.



Luna Logic - Jan 16, 2007 10:55 am (#45 of 54)
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painting sheila :

Madame Pomfrey - What if she is on ground level but still looking down?

Down and downer (does that exist ?) at the downiest (and that ?) Tunnels are great - in the kitchen, looking down, a secret entry of tunnels,these opening on a cave with the lost portraits of the Founders. There ; I found it : On the forum Book 7's Title Nathan Zimmermann wrote (jan 14) :
“could the Deathly Hallows refer to a room within Hogwarts specifically built by the Founders” ?

Yes... but this cave will be deserted and not crowded. Another inversion of the dream? (very convenient theory...)

(we should try to be very serious about this subject, now. How ? Sorry if I have troubled more serious thinking... please go on)



Luna Logic - Jan 16, 2007 1:24 pm (#46 of 54)
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I try to put a interesting link with a another HALL : Soul Search, "+ Book 7's Title (HP and the Deathly Hallows)" #349,



painting sheila - Jan 16, 2007 10:17 pm (#47 of 54)

Where are the founders bodies?

I am thinking of a crypt type place - where their tombs are - under the school?



Luna Logic - Jan 17, 2007 2:26 am (#48 of 54)
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Yes ! why not with the portraits of the founders (I asked this question here : "+ Book 7's Title #353,)

But portraits in a crypt would moist ?

What about the other side of the dream, portraits of the founders very very HIGH ?





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Madame Pomfrey - Jan 17, 2007 1:01 pm (#49 of 54)

I like the idea of the CoS because I think we will see it again.Chamber of Secret(s).Perhaps the other secret about the chamber is a hidden horcrux as you suggested,Sheila.I love it.



painting sheila - Jan 17, 2007 7:09 pm (#50 of 54)

I wasn't thinking about their portraits being in the crypt - but their tombs.

LV used the bones of his dead father to create a new body. What if he used a combination of the bones of the founders for something - or used their tombs to hide the horcrux? Maybe as a "tribute" to Slytherin.

Jo said once that one of the earlier books held a lot of secrets if we just knew what we were looking for. Does anyone remember which one it was?

Thank you Madame Pomfrey - I am just trying to keep up with you all. You all are amazing and I love you for it!



Madam Pince - Jan 22, 2007 3:16 pm (#51 of 54)

I think (but I am not sure, so I probably shouldn't even post this maybe) that the book she was talking about was Chamber of Secrets, Sheila. I say that because I remember that it sort of irritated me at the time because that was my least favorite book and I couldn't think of anything that could be hidden in it that would be of interest.

That is an interesting thought about where the Founders are buried -- that never crossed my mind before. Remember when JKR told one of the moviemakers (I believe it was Cuaron) who wanted to make a graveyard as part of the set of Hogwarts, that he couldn't do that, because "the graveyard" is not at Hogwarts, which led us all to wonder why a graveyard is such a big deal, and which graveyard and all. Now that the books are where they are now, we have two "sort-of" graveyards to think about -- 1)the one where Tom Riddle, Sr. was buried where the re-birth of Voldemort took place, and 2)Dumbledore's tomb, which I think we have hashed out awhile about whether you could consider that a graveyard or not.

We still haven't found out where James and Lily are buried, either, or even if they were buried.



painting sheila - Jan 22, 2007 7:07 pm (#52 of 54)

I guess the clues she may have been referring to were the horcruxes.

I need to go back and read how she describes the place in the Chamer of Secrets. What adjuectives does she use? Dark like a tomb? Quiet like a tomb? . . . .



haymoni - Jan 23, 2007 6:13 am (#53 of 54)

Madam P - check your POA DVD extras. I think in the interview with Cuaron & JKR, he says that he wanted to put the graveyard over here and Jo said no, because the graveyard was over there. I think there is a graveyard at Hogwarts, but not where Cuaron wanted to put it.

I'll have to listen to it again.



Luna Logic - Jan 23, 2007 3:14 pm (#54 of 54)

So if everybody checks some place in Hogwarts, we are going to find something, no ?

Me, I'm looking for all about the third floor, because I saw a statue there (film one), and looking for more in the Lexicon (Third Floor) I was stung (??) by the number of time the word "statues" came back. I wonder how it is in the description by Jo herself in book one ?(Which I have not at the moment) (but I will soon).





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