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Elanor Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:35 am
Quidditch!
Olivia Wood - Sep 3, 2003 6:09 pm
Edited by Kip Carter Jan 12, 2006 12:14 pm
I can't believe no one's started a Quidditch thread yet! Quidditch has played a major part in the first three books, not so much in GoF and OoP, but I don't think we can just forget about it. I think we're way overdue for some good, traditional Quidditch matches.
Who's going to be Captain now that Angelina's leaving school? Ron? It seems that he's got a pretty good chance, being the hero of the last match, and with Harry, Fred and George only playing in the first game.
Will anyone make any difficulties about Harry rejoining the team?
Who will be on the Gryffindor team? Harry as Seeker, Ron as Keeper, Jack Sloper and Kirke as Beaters (or will they get replaced?), Ginny, Katie Bell, and who else as Chasers? Will there be reserves?
Who will be on the Slytherin team? Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle are on it, will anyone else important join? Theodore Nott, maybe?
How will Quidditch be handled in the last two books? Will we see two full Quidditch seasons? Will they be disrupted by the war? Who will win the Quidditch Cup? How will it all fit in with the ongoing theme of iter-house cooperation?
Will we ever see Oliver Wood again? (We'd better, and it had better not be just to hear that he got killed in a Death Eater attack during a practice session). Will Ron become a professional player and lead the Chudley Cannons to victory? (Yes, he will).
Will Quidditch ever be mentioned again in relation to Viktor Krum?
Will Malfoy ever get a Firebolt 2?
Will we ever find out whether Sirius played Quidditch, or the position James played on the team?
Ron is overdue for a Quidditch-related injury, will he finally fall off his broom?
Will Cho, wet blanket that she is, finally get kicked off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team?
Will Harry ever fly his broom indoors? (I think he should.)
Will we ever learn Tom Riddle, aka Voldemort's sentiments regarding Quidditch?
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This topic serves as an archive of a thread from the Harry Potter Lexicon Forum as hosted on World Crossing which ceased operation on April 15, 2011. At that time, this thread was still set in the "Archived Thread to be Worked" folder of the WC forum. Elanor
Olivia Wood - Sep 3, 2003 6:09 pm
Edited by Kip Carter Jan 12, 2006 12:14 pm
I can't believe no one's started a Quidditch thread yet! Quidditch has played a major part in the first three books, not so much in GoF and OoP, but I don't think we can just forget about it. I think we're way overdue for some good, traditional Quidditch matches.
Who's going to be Captain now that Angelina's leaving school? Ron? It seems that he's got a pretty good chance, being the hero of the last match, and with Harry, Fred and George only playing in the first game.
Will anyone make any difficulties about Harry rejoining the team?
Who will be on the Gryffindor team? Harry as Seeker, Ron as Keeper, Jack Sloper and Kirke as Beaters (or will they get replaced?), Ginny, Katie Bell, and who else as Chasers? Will there be reserves?
Who will be on the Slytherin team? Malfoy, Crabbe and Goyle are on it, will anyone else important join? Theodore Nott, maybe?
How will Quidditch be handled in the last two books? Will we see two full Quidditch seasons? Will they be disrupted by the war? Who will win the Quidditch Cup? How will it all fit in with the ongoing theme of iter-house cooperation?
Will we ever see Oliver Wood again? (We'd better, and it had better not be just to hear that he got killed in a Death Eater attack during a practice session). Will Ron become a professional player and lead the Chudley Cannons to victory? (Yes, he will).
Will Quidditch ever be mentioned again in relation to Viktor Krum?
Will Malfoy ever get a Firebolt 2?
Will we ever find out whether Sirius played Quidditch, or the position James played on the team?
Ron is overdue for a Quidditch-related injury, will he finally fall off his broom?
Will Cho, wet blanket that she is, finally get kicked off the Ravenclaw Quidditch team?
Will Harry ever fly his broom indoors? (I think he should.)
Will we ever learn Tom Riddle, aka Voldemort's sentiments regarding Quidditch?
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Elanor Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:39 am
A-is-for-Amy - Sep 3, 2003 7:27 pm (#1 of 252)
Mom of 2 boys
WOW! That's a lot of questions! I think that Ron is a shoe-in for captain of the the Gryffindor team. He's already shown his knack for stradegy with his chess playing prowess... and it was McGonagall's giant chess set that he bested in the first book. She is the one who seems to choose the team captain, isn't she?
I don't think Harry will have any problem re-joining the team. He's the best player they've had in recent years, and Ginny has already said that she doesn't want to remain seeker.
I think Ginny and Katie will be Chasers, and they'll have to bring in a younger newer character for the third. I don't see Lavender or Parvati playing (they might break a nail!)
I think Theodore Nott will be the new Slytherin Keeper.
I think that Quidditch will be played in the next two books because Dumbledore will want to keep things as normal as possible for the students. They will need the distraction.
I think we may just see Oliver again as he has been mentioned at least twice since he left school. Viktor Krum as well.
Malfoy will NOT get a better broom anytime soon. I think that it would be cool if his family's bank accounts were frozen and he got a taste of poverty for a change. That'd be a bitter pill for him to swallow, eh?
I don't think Sirius played quidditch, and I think that James was both a chaser and a seeker at some point.
Ron IS due for and injury! MWAAAHAHAHAHA!
Cho will get fumped back onto the reserve team, and try desperately (and unsucessfully) to get Harry back by asking him to help her with some quidditch moves.
I also think that Harry should fly his broom indoors! Through the Great Hall at a meal time!
Tom Riddle hates quidditch because it's against the rules to kill the other players.
I think I touched on most of your questions! Whew! What does everyone else think?
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Hem Hem - Sep 3, 2003 7:52 pm (#2 of 252)
For new members on the Gryffindor team:
What about Kirke and Sloper, the replacement Gryffindor beaters from OotP? They weren't the most talented players, but after having experience on the team, will they return?
How about Vicky Frobisher and Geoffry Hooper, the two kids who flew better than Ron in the tryouts? Angelina says that Hooper's a real whiner, and the Vicky has charms club, but perhaps they'll join the team anyways....
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Gred-n-Forge - Sep 3, 2003 9:18 pm (#3 of 252)
How about a toilet seat to brighten your day?
All good possibilities, but one question keeps nagging at me: isn't Katie Bell in the same year as Angelina, meaning that she won't return the following year? If such is the case, then we are looking at all new Chasers for the next year.
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rettoP yrraH - Sep 3, 2003 9:33 pm (#4 of 252)
Half of what I say is meaningless
I want to see a ref dissapear and end up in the sahara three months later or something
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OkieAngel - Sep 3, 2003 10:00 pm (#5 of 252)
How about Seamus and Dean playing on the team?? We know Seamus is a major quidditch fan from the World Cup, and I think it would be cool to see how Dean play, being as he's such a soccer fan. Also, there's the Creevey brothers, they would definetly add excitement to the team.
I think Ron would make the best captain, he's a brilliant strategist.
Personally, I think it would be cool to have Viktor Krum come to Hogwarts as Quidditch coach/Flying instuctor.
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Joost! - Sep 4, 2003 12:06 am (#6 of 252)
Second line of information
I think either Harry or Katie will be captain, they're the most experienced of Gryffindor. And I don't know if being a good chess player means one will be a good captain. My vote goes to Harry, this way he won't have to be so jealous at Ron and Hermione for being prefects.
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Sinister Kittens - Sep 4, 2003 2:27 am (#7 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
I've got to go with Harry as Captain as well to be honest - he is by far their most experienced player and his enjoyment at the strategies employed by Bulgaria and Ireland in GoF seems to indicate that he might want to try some of their moves....
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mollis - Sep 4, 2003 6:52 am (#8 of 252)
I really think Ron would be the better captain. Don't get me wrong, Harry could probably do it since he seems to be a natural leader and teacher, but Harry really only pays attention to the snitch. He probably doesn't know nearly as much about the other positions or the plays. Ron will have a greater understanding of how the team needs to work together as a whole and he is a brilliant strategist (as someone already said). Plus Harry will probably have a few other things on his mind next year....
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Professor Kosh - Sep 4, 2003 8:53 am (#9 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Ron may be able to perform well as captain, but he has only been on the team for a year, and, except at the end, didn't do all that well. I'm not sure who will be captain. I see Harry being the popular pick, but his job as seeker will make him a bit narrow focused to see the 'big picture'. I see him consulting Ron so much on the strategy that they end up as co-captains or Harry asks the team to turn it over to Ron. Would be another nice feather in Ron's cap, and help ease the competicion between them.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 9:15 am (#10 of 252)
Ron has to be Captain. Back in SS the Mirror of Erised, Ron was to be Quiddich Capt and Head Boy. Prefect to Head Boy should be coming. The mirror might be the red herring we need to see what is next for Ron.
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evereverever - Sep 4, 2003 12:06 pm (#11 of 252)
Katie Bell is not in the same year as Angelina and Alicia, since Ginny only mentioned the latest two when she named the players leaving the next year. Katie Bell will be one year under. I want to see the Creevey brothers as beaters! And why not Lavender or Parvati as Chaser? It would be nice to see another side of them.
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siobhan - Sep 4, 2003 12:09 pm (#12 of 252)
I don't like the idea of Ron getting everything after only one year. Harry needs some encouragement and i think it would really boost his morale if he was Quidditch captain. I'm sorry but i was sick of Ron in this book as everything good was happening to him while Harry had the worst year of his life. It just wasn't fair and i was a fair bit jealous for Harry.
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mischa fan - Sep 4, 2003 12:19 pm (#13 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
I am thinking that Katie will become captin, since it is her last year and she is the only player in her last year on the team.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 12:38 pm (#14 of 252)
Mischa fan, I can agree with you for those points. Ron can wait til 7th year.
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Landman - Sep 4, 2003 12:41 pm (#15 of 252)
It's fun to read/watch the Quidditch scenes because I enjoy sports, but I've always had a problem with how unlikely a game this is.
First, as anyone who has ever sat on a broom can tell you, it ain't exactly comfortable (if you know what I mean) and stay on it for hours at a time?
Second, the Quaffle is not magically-enhanced as the Bludgers are so how exactly do they propel these things so far? They aren't exactly aerodynamic and they seem to be throwing them a huge distance.
Are the bludgers charmed to not kill? Can they hit you in the head? This may just be a movie thing, but if they can go through the stands why can't they leave the stadium?
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Dr Filibuster - Sep 4, 2003 1:20 pm (#16 of 252)
Sue, from Northwich, England.
Landman, perhaps you should change your user name to Guthrie?
My Quidditch Through The Ages states;
"The invention of the Cushioning Charm by Eliot Smethwyck in 1820 went a long way towards making broomsticks more comfortable than ever before"
"Guthrie Lochrin, a Scottish wizard writing in 1107, spoke of the "splinter-filled buttocks and bulging piles" he suffered after a short broom ride from Montrose to Arbroath."
That's a journey of twelve miles (unless you're Moody)
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 1:21 pm (#17 of 252)
Landman, I would suggest you pick up a copy of "Quiddich Through The Ages" at you favorite Borders, or online. It does a fair job of explaining the game and the equipment. There are stirrups that keep you centered and the Quaffle is aerodynamic by it's shape. Much like a golf ball. The bludger thing in the movie is I think movie magic.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 4, 2003 2:27 pm (#18 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
I agree that Katie would be the best choice for captain. She's been on the team longest. Ron just doesn't have the experience (yet!)
(off topic, but I just don't see Ron becoming Head Boy. Compared to Harry, he just isn't as important)
I thought it said somewhere ("Quiddich.."?) that the quaffle was enchanted, to change how slowly it falls (otherwise, I think we'd see dropped quaffles far more often). As for the Bludger, I think they do fly a bit on their own, but I doubt they have the force to break wood like in the movie (looked good though, didn't it?) And they can hit in the head, as they did to Wood in his first game.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 4, 2003 2:37 pm (#19 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I don't think Ron's going to be Head Boy either, and Katie's definatly going to be Captain if she wants the position (What with NEWTs and everything, she may not want it), Chasers are really the ones that need to work as a team, and she's the only one left... Maybe next year Ron can be Captain, when he has two years experiance?
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Mare - Sep 4, 2003 3:09 pm (#20 of 252)
I am excited to see Ron (improved style) Harry and ginny play together: "Bye bye Slytherin!""
(But I still want Hufflepuff to win the cup
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Hem Hem - Sep 4, 2003 5:17 pm (#21 of 252)
The Quaffles from centuries ago weren't charmed, but nowadays they have the "Pennifold Quaffle" which sinks in the air as an item would sink in water.
Katie has been on the team for the same amount of time as Harry. If she gets to be captain, it would only be for reasons of seniority, as she probably isn't the most skilled, nor does she get the title of "most experienced." ROn should inherit the job by his seventh year, if he doesn't get it this year.
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OkieAngel - Sep 4, 2003 5:18 pm (#22 of 252)
I thought this was Katie's last year as well as Angelina's, if not, then she should definetly be capt, and Ron can wait until Seventh year. As for Head Boy, I think Harry will get that honor. He's certainly earned it...
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Denise S. - Sep 4, 2003 5:52 pm (#23 of 252)
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There's no way Ron can be Quidditch captain. Not only is he the least-experienced person on the team (well, not including whoever was put on to replace Harry, Gred, and Forge), but except for that one shining moment when Harry and Hermione went to see Grawp, he gets flustered in front of any and all spectators, which rendered him useless no matter how few people there were. I'm not saying that Ron won't improve on his stage fright, but considering how self-conscious he becomes and how dependent he is on the approval of his teammates, he is *not* the best candidate for Quidditch captain.
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Hem Hem - Sep 4, 2003 5:54 pm (#24 of 252)
Although Ron will probably be a whole lot better when he doesn't have Fred and George anywhere in the building to stress him out and pressure him. Ron should be great, but he hasn't proven himself yet.
And since he has yet to prove himself, he has a tiny chance of making captain this coming year.
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mischa fan - Sep 4, 2003 6:29 pm (#25 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
I think Katie in book 6 for captin, then Ginny in book 7, I think she knows more about Quidditch then we know about.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 7:52 pm (#26 of 252)
I was rushed at work (oops, never at work)when I posted about Ron and the mirror. Let me try this again. My thought was that Ron's reflection in the mirror in book 1 was his wish to be Head Boy and Quiddich Captain. At the time we thought nothing of it. But my thought was that "Could" this have been a clue from JKR about things to come. Now Ron is a Prefect, which "could" lead to Head Boy and he made the Quiddich team, regardless of how clumsily, both of which would be required prerequesites to the final goal. You can't be captain unless you are on the team, and you can't be Head Boy, we assume, unless you are a prefect.
I agree with you all that it is unlikely, but, so are some of the clues that Rowling leaves behind. Just food for thought.
As for Harry, remember that DD said he thought Harry had enough going on to make him Prefect. I have to think that in the next 2 books Harry's plate will be quite full with Ole Moldywort to play either role of captain or headboy. If not Katy Bell then Ron, I would favor Ginny.
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haymoni - Sep 5, 2003 10:04 am (#27 of 252)
Dumbledore was very clear that the Mirror of Erised did not show truth but only one's deepest desire. I think Ron is destined to be Harry's sidekick with some occasional moments of glory. James was Head Boy without being Prefect.
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Arrows' Biggest Fan - Sep 5, 2003 12:51 pm (#28 of 252)
Haymoni, I've already said this somewhere else, and it's a bit out of context, but I think the Quidditch captains are made prefects when they get the job. Therefore James was a prefect when he became Head Boy.
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haymoni - Sep 5, 2003 1:06 pm (#29 of 252)
Sirius says "Moony got the badge" and that Dumbledore had picked Lupin that he might have some influence over James and Sirius. He makes no mention of James becoming a ever becoming prefect. Harry takes great comfort when he realizes that his father was not made a prefect. Was Oliver Wood a prefect?
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Dr Filibuster - Sep 5, 2003 1:35 pm (#30 of 252)
Sue, from Northwich, England.
Talking of Oliver...there was a tiny litle comment in OoP that I can't place right now. Can somebody help?
It said something like Oliver Wood, a good friend of Katie Bells'....or was it Oliver was a good friend of Angelina?
If Oliver was a good friend of Katie then maybe she will become the new captain and Oliver will make an apearance, especially if the Griffindors need help. Didn't JK hint that he would come back to Hogwarts, or was that something that people assumed?
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Olivia Wood - Sep 5, 2003 2:43 pm (#31 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I have a horrible, horrible feeling that Oliver's going to die...
Apart from that, I was going to ask if we even know James was Quidditch Captain, and if so, from where?
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Hem Hem - Sep 5, 2003 3:19 pm (#32 of 252)
Haymoni, since Oliver was in the same year as Percy, he couldn't have been a prefect.
And as for Oliver coming back, I think it was assumed and not verified. He's been mentioned a few times since he graduated, so he definately has a chance to resurface...and I sure hope he won't get killed.
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siobhan - Sep 5, 2003 3:26 pm (#33 of 252)
I think Katie is due the position. As for Ron if he gets the position because of one good match that doesn't seem fair. Harry has only lost a match once. He's more deserving of the title. As for your theory Arrows biggest fan i don't really understand it. If one becomes Quidditch Captain they automatically become a prefect?? But they are two totally different things so i really think that would be v unusual. Plus prefects are chosen on academic and leadership abilities and Quidditch captain is chosen for skills on playing pitch. Head Boy would be chosen on all round abilities so being a prefect wouldn't matter.
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Ashley Moore - Sep 6, 2003 4:13 pm (#34 of 252)
Hi there. That's a lot of questions! Anyway, you'd think it would be Harry for the next Quidditch captain, but, for some reason, I don't think J.K. Rowling would do that. Maybe it will be...uuuhhh...uuuummmmmmm...well...I really have no idea. Anyway, maybe it will be a new player, or maybe one of the Weasley twins, Fred or George. That would be quite interesting. One Weasley twin would be the more popular Quidditch player, and the other Weasley would be jealous, or something like that. But what do I know? I'm not J.K. Rowling, but it seems like she would add more drama to the story like that. Please reply to this with your thoughts and opinions. Thanks! Love, Ashley Moore
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 4:16 pm (#35 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Uh, Fred and George Weasley no longer go to Hogwarts, and so are ineligible for the Captain position.
Remember? They left school to start that joke shop in Diangon Alley?
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mischa fan - Sep 6, 2003 4:17 pm (#36 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
One little problem with one of the Weasley twins being Quidditch captain, they are no longer at the school. I think the 3 main candidates are Katie Bell, Harry Potter, and Ron Weasley. The dark horse in this race is Ginny.
EDIT: You beat me to the post Olivia.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 6, 2003 4:42 pm (#37 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
I think it will go to Katie Bell. Harry has got so much on his plate, that I don't see him doing it (although he will be back as Seeker, or I'll march right across the Atlantic and give JKR a piece of my mind! Ron doesn't have the experience yet, although after rereading OoP last night, I believe he will stay on the team and do very well. Maybe year 7?
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 5:11 pm (#38 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
What exactly does Harry have on his plate? I think he wouldn't mind some extra minor responsibility to take his mind off things.
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Denise P. - Sep 6, 2003 5:14 pm (#39 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Hmmm...he has a homicidal lunatic that is trying to kill him OR he has to kill the lunatic. Harry has NEWTS to prepare for, he has to deal with a less than ideal homelife in addition to all the hormonal things that 16 yr old boys deal with. Heck, I don't see why he would feel overwhelmed at all.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 5:25 pm (#40 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Well... Voldemort's probably not going to affect Harry directly on a day to day level, (at least not until book 7. :b) and I think Harry would appreciate not having the time to spend brooding about it all. Other than that, he has just as much free time as all the other students. Hopefully the new DADA teacher won't be assighning him detentions every other week...
The only other thing I can think of is Occlumency lessons, that will probably take up some time. I don't know...
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Denise P. - Sep 6, 2003 5:35 pm (#41 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
How is knowing that it is going to come down to kill or be killed NOT going to effect him on a daily basis? I don't want to see him brood the entire year either and think Quidditch would be a nice release for him but I don't think we are going to see Harry skipping gleefully through a field of daffodils singing merrily in the next book.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 5:43 pm (#42 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Okay... I don't think I'm making myself clear, and I apoligize, because I think we agree with each other... I'm just saying that it's possible that Harry won't want any free time in which to obsess over Voldy and the prophecy, and so he might accept the Quidditch Captain position if it were offered to him. I never said he'd be happy, just that he'd play Quidditch. Isn't that what he likes to do when stuff's bothering him?
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Denise P. - Sep 6, 2003 5:46 pm (#43 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
I think you are right Olivia since I was reading and wondering what you were thinking LOL Gotcha, we are saying the same thing...each of us are just taking a seperate road to get there. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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schoff - Sep 6, 2003 5:47 pm (#44 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I think Harry's probably going to be very busy with extra tutoring after class, preparing him for his showdown with Voldie. I can't see Dumbledore wasting any more time in regards to Harry's training. It really needs to be speeded up, especially when the stakes are now so high, and no one knows when the end will come (except us--who expect it in the 7th book!).
Katie seems the logical choice for captain next year, with Ron in their 7th year.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 6, 2003 7:06 pm (#45 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Also, I think that DA will become a more official club, with Harry still as main tutor, and that will eat up a lot of his time as well. Plus, he will be in more advanced classes, likely extra training with Occulamancy, and the advanced training that schoff mentioned. Plus the stress of Volde, events in the Order (i think DD or Lupin will keep him far more up to date on what's going on), and so on. I suspect that Quiddich captain has a lot of duties that we don't see, and I just don't think Harry will have the time or drive to do it all (he isn't Hermionie you know). He will play as Seeker, so he'll still have that release.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 8:47 pm (#46 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Oh well, I never really thought he'd make a good Captain anyway...
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night41 - Sep 7, 2003 6:59 am (#47 of 252)
Quidditch question
I have been thinking about this alot and I know all of are going to hate me for asking this but I think is a pretty good question. Okey here I go. Do you think Harry will play Quidditch next year? I know he loves it but JKR has been facing it out abit. I'm about 85% sure in GOF he could not that year either. It just seems JKR does not seem to find it as important any more. Well it's your turn to shoot this bad boy.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 7, 2003 6:59 am (#48 of 252)
Edited by Denise P. Sep 7, 2003 10:12 am
night41, There is a Quiddich thread up above in Current Discussions. You might want to ask that question up there rather then start a new thread
Edit: I moved this thread to the correct spot
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mollis - Sep 7, 2003 10:09 am (#49 of 252)
Ummm...this is the Quiditch thread.
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Denise P. - Sep 7, 2003 10:13 am (#50 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Mollis, I moved the thread up to the correct spot. I left Thom's post because he gives excellent advice in looking for an exisiting thread before starting a new one.
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WOW! That's a lot of questions! I think that Ron is a shoe-in for captain of the the Gryffindor team. He's already shown his knack for stradegy with his chess playing prowess... and it was McGonagall's giant chess set that he bested in the first book. She is the one who seems to choose the team captain, isn't she?
I don't think Harry will have any problem re-joining the team. He's the best player they've had in recent years, and Ginny has already said that she doesn't want to remain seeker.
I think Ginny and Katie will be Chasers, and they'll have to bring in a younger newer character for the third. I don't see Lavender or Parvati playing (they might break a nail!)
I think Theodore Nott will be the new Slytherin Keeper.
I think that Quidditch will be played in the next two books because Dumbledore will want to keep things as normal as possible for the students. They will need the distraction.
I think we may just see Oliver again as he has been mentioned at least twice since he left school. Viktor Krum as well.
Malfoy will NOT get a better broom anytime soon. I think that it would be cool if his family's bank accounts were frozen and he got a taste of poverty for a change. That'd be a bitter pill for him to swallow, eh?
I don't think Sirius played quidditch, and I think that James was both a chaser and a seeker at some point.
Ron IS due for and injury! MWAAAHAHAHAHA!
Cho will get fumped back onto the reserve team, and try desperately (and unsucessfully) to get Harry back by asking him to help her with some quidditch moves.
I also think that Harry should fly his broom indoors! Through the Great Hall at a meal time!
Tom Riddle hates quidditch because it's against the rules to kill the other players.
I think I touched on most of your questions! Whew! What does everyone else think?
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Hem Hem - Sep 3, 2003 7:52 pm (#2 of 252)
For new members on the Gryffindor team:
What about Kirke and Sloper, the replacement Gryffindor beaters from OotP? They weren't the most talented players, but after having experience on the team, will they return?
How about Vicky Frobisher and Geoffry Hooper, the two kids who flew better than Ron in the tryouts? Angelina says that Hooper's a real whiner, and the Vicky has charms club, but perhaps they'll join the team anyways....
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Gred-n-Forge - Sep 3, 2003 9:18 pm (#3 of 252)
How about a toilet seat to brighten your day?
All good possibilities, but one question keeps nagging at me: isn't Katie Bell in the same year as Angelina, meaning that she won't return the following year? If such is the case, then we are looking at all new Chasers for the next year.
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rettoP yrraH - Sep 3, 2003 9:33 pm (#4 of 252)
Half of what I say is meaningless
I want to see a ref dissapear and end up in the sahara three months later or something
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OkieAngel - Sep 3, 2003 10:00 pm (#5 of 252)
How about Seamus and Dean playing on the team?? We know Seamus is a major quidditch fan from the World Cup, and I think it would be cool to see how Dean play, being as he's such a soccer fan. Also, there's the Creevey brothers, they would definetly add excitement to the team.
I think Ron would make the best captain, he's a brilliant strategist.
Personally, I think it would be cool to have Viktor Krum come to Hogwarts as Quidditch coach/Flying instuctor.
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Joost! - Sep 4, 2003 12:06 am (#6 of 252)
Second line of information
I think either Harry or Katie will be captain, they're the most experienced of Gryffindor. And I don't know if being a good chess player means one will be a good captain. My vote goes to Harry, this way he won't have to be so jealous at Ron and Hermione for being prefects.
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Sinister Kittens - Sep 4, 2003 2:27 am (#7 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
I've got to go with Harry as Captain as well to be honest - he is by far their most experienced player and his enjoyment at the strategies employed by Bulgaria and Ireland in GoF seems to indicate that he might want to try some of their moves....
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mollis - Sep 4, 2003 6:52 am (#8 of 252)
I really think Ron would be the better captain. Don't get me wrong, Harry could probably do it since he seems to be a natural leader and teacher, but Harry really only pays attention to the snitch. He probably doesn't know nearly as much about the other positions or the plays. Ron will have a greater understanding of how the team needs to work together as a whole and he is a brilliant strategist (as someone already said). Plus Harry will probably have a few other things on his mind next year....
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Professor Kosh - Sep 4, 2003 8:53 am (#9 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Ron may be able to perform well as captain, but he has only been on the team for a year, and, except at the end, didn't do all that well. I'm not sure who will be captain. I see Harry being the popular pick, but his job as seeker will make him a bit narrow focused to see the 'big picture'. I see him consulting Ron so much on the strategy that they end up as co-captains or Harry asks the team to turn it over to Ron. Would be another nice feather in Ron's cap, and help ease the competicion between them.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 9:15 am (#10 of 252)
Ron has to be Captain. Back in SS the Mirror of Erised, Ron was to be Quiddich Capt and Head Boy. Prefect to Head Boy should be coming. The mirror might be the red herring we need to see what is next for Ron.
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evereverever - Sep 4, 2003 12:06 pm (#11 of 252)
Katie Bell is not in the same year as Angelina and Alicia, since Ginny only mentioned the latest two when she named the players leaving the next year. Katie Bell will be one year under. I want to see the Creevey brothers as beaters! And why not Lavender or Parvati as Chaser? It would be nice to see another side of them.
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siobhan - Sep 4, 2003 12:09 pm (#12 of 252)
I don't like the idea of Ron getting everything after only one year. Harry needs some encouragement and i think it would really boost his morale if he was Quidditch captain. I'm sorry but i was sick of Ron in this book as everything good was happening to him while Harry had the worst year of his life. It just wasn't fair and i was a fair bit jealous for Harry.
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mischa fan - Sep 4, 2003 12:19 pm (#13 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
I am thinking that Katie will become captin, since it is her last year and she is the only player in her last year on the team.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 12:38 pm (#14 of 252)
Mischa fan, I can agree with you for those points. Ron can wait til 7th year.
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Landman - Sep 4, 2003 12:41 pm (#15 of 252)
It's fun to read/watch the Quidditch scenes because I enjoy sports, but I've always had a problem with how unlikely a game this is.
First, as anyone who has ever sat on a broom can tell you, it ain't exactly comfortable (if you know what I mean) and stay on it for hours at a time?
Second, the Quaffle is not magically-enhanced as the Bludgers are so how exactly do they propel these things so far? They aren't exactly aerodynamic and they seem to be throwing them a huge distance.
Are the bludgers charmed to not kill? Can they hit you in the head? This may just be a movie thing, but if they can go through the stands why can't they leave the stadium?
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Dr Filibuster - Sep 4, 2003 1:20 pm (#16 of 252)
Sue, from Northwich, England.
Landman, perhaps you should change your user name to Guthrie?
My Quidditch Through The Ages states;
"The invention of the Cushioning Charm by Eliot Smethwyck in 1820 went a long way towards making broomsticks more comfortable than ever before"
"Guthrie Lochrin, a Scottish wizard writing in 1107, spoke of the "splinter-filled buttocks and bulging piles" he suffered after a short broom ride from Montrose to Arbroath."
That's a journey of twelve miles (unless you're Moody)
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 1:21 pm (#17 of 252)
Landman, I would suggest you pick up a copy of "Quiddich Through The Ages" at you favorite Borders, or online. It does a fair job of explaining the game and the equipment. There are stirrups that keep you centered and the Quaffle is aerodynamic by it's shape. Much like a golf ball. The bludger thing in the movie is I think movie magic.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 4, 2003 2:27 pm (#18 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
I agree that Katie would be the best choice for captain. She's been on the team longest. Ron just doesn't have the experience (yet!)
(off topic, but I just don't see Ron becoming Head Boy. Compared to Harry, he just isn't as important)
I thought it said somewhere ("Quiddich.."?) that the quaffle was enchanted, to change how slowly it falls (otherwise, I think we'd see dropped quaffles far more often). As for the Bludger, I think they do fly a bit on their own, but I doubt they have the force to break wood like in the movie (looked good though, didn't it?) And they can hit in the head, as they did to Wood in his first game.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 4, 2003 2:37 pm (#19 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I don't think Ron's going to be Head Boy either, and Katie's definatly going to be Captain if she wants the position (What with NEWTs and everything, she may not want it), Chasers are really the ones that need to work as a team, and she's the only one left... Maybe next year Ron can be Captain, when he has two years experiance?
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Mare - Sep 4, 2003 3:09 pm (#20 of 252)
I am excited to see Ron (improved style) Harry and ginny play together: "Bye bye Slytherin!""
(But I still want Hufflepuff to win the cup
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Hem Hem - Sep 4, 2003 5:17 pm (#21 of 252)
The Quaffles from centuries ago weren't charmed, but nowadays they have the "Pennifold Quaffle" which sinks in the air as an item would sink in water.
Katie has been on the team for the same amount of time as Harry. If she gets to be captain, it would only be for reasons of seniority, as she probably isn't the most skilled, nor does she get the title of "most experienced." ROn should inherit the job by his seventh year, if he doesn't get it this year.
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OkieAngel - Sep 4, 2003 5:18 pm (#22 of 252)
I thought this was Katie's last year as well as Angelina's, if not, then she should definetly be capt, and Ron can wait until Seventh year. As for Head Boy, I think Harry will get that honor. He's certainly earned it...
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Denise S. - Sep 4, 2003 5:52 pm (#23 of 252)
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There's no way Ron can be Quidditch captain. Not only is he the least-experienced person on the team (well, not including whoever was put on to replace Harry, Gred, and Forge), but except for that one shining moment when Harry and Hermione went to see Grawp, he gets flustered in front of any and all spectators, which rendered him useless no matter how few people there were. I'm not saying that Ron won't improve on his stage fright, but considering how self-conscious he becomes and how dependent he is on the approval of his teammates, he is *not* the best candidate for Quidditch captain.
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Hem Hem - Sep 4, 2003 5:54 pm (#24 of 252)
Although Ron will probably be a whole lot better when he doesn't have Fred and George anywhere in the building to stress him out and pressure him. Ron should be great, but he hasn't proven himself yet.
And since he has yet to prove himself, he has a tiny chance of making captain this coming year.
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mischa fan - Sep 4, 2003 6:29 pm (#25 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
I think Katie in book 6 for captin, then Ginny in book 7, I think she knows more about Quidditch then we know about.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 4, 2003 7:52 pm (#26 of 252)
I was rushed at work (oops, never at work)when I posted about Ron and the mirror. Let me try this again. My thought was that Ron's reflection in the mirror in book 1 was his wish to be Head Boy and Quiddich Captain. At the time we thought nothing of it. But my thought was that "Could" this have been a clue from JKR about things to come. Now Ron is a Prefect, which "could" lead to Head Boy and he made the Quiddich team, regardless of how clumsily, both of which would be required prerequesites to the final goal. You can't be captain unless you are on the team, and you can't be Head Boy, we assume, unless you are a prefect.
I agree with you all that it is unlikely, but, so are some of the clues that Rowling leaves behind. Just food for thought.
As for Harry, remember that DD said he thought Harry had enough going on to make him Prefect. I have to think that in the next 2 books Harry's plate will be quite full with Ole Moldywort to play either role of captain or headboy. If not Katy Bell then Ron, I would favor Ginny.
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haymoni - Sep 5, 2003 10:04 am (#27 of 252)
Dumbledore was very clear that the Mirror of Erised did not show truth but only one's deepest desire. I think Ron is destined to be Harry's sidekick with some occasional moments of glory. James was Head Boy without being Prefect.
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Arrows' Biggest Fan - Sep 5, 2003 12:51 pm (#28 of 252)
Haymoni, I've already said this somewhere else, and it's a bit out of context, but I think the Quidditch captains are made prefects when they get the job. Therefore James was a prefect when he became Head Boy.
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haymoni - Sep 5, 2003 1:06 pm (#29 of 252)
Sirius says "Moony got the badge" and that Dumbledore had picked Lupin that he might have some influence over James and Sirius. He makes no mention of James becoming a ever becoming prefect. Harry takes great comfort when he realizes that his father was not made a prefect. Was Oliver Wood a prefect?
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Dr Filibuster - Sep 5, 2003 1:35 pm (#30 of 252)
Sue, from Northwich, England.
Talking of Oliver...there was a tiny litle comment in OoP that I can't place right now. Can somebody help?
It said something like Oliver Wood, a good friend of Katie Bells'....or was it Oliver was a good friend of Angelina?
If Oliver was a good friend of Katie then maybe she will become the new captain and Oliver will make an apearance, especially if the Griffindors need help. Didn't JK hint that he would come back to Hogwarts, or was that something that people assumed?
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Olivia Wood - Sep 5, 2003 2:43 pm (#31 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I have a horrible, horrible feeling that Oliver's going to die...
Apart from that, I was going to ask if we even know James was Quidditch Captain, and if so, from where?
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Hem Hem - Sep 5, 2003 3:19 pm (#32 of 252)
Haymoni, since Oliver was in the same year as Percy, he couldn't have been a prefect.
And as for Oliver coming back, I think it was assumed and not verified. He's been mentioned a few times since he graduated, so he definately has a chance to resurface...and I sure hope he won't get killed.
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siobhan - Sep 5, 2003 3:26 pm (#33 of 252)
I think Katie is due the position. As for Ron if he gets the position because of one good match that doesn't seem fair. Harry has only lost a match once. He's more deserving of the title. As for your theory Arrows biggest fan i don't really understand it. If one becomes Quidditch Captain they automatically become a prefect?? But they are two totally different things so i really think that would be v unusual. Plus prefects are chosen on academic and leadership abilities and Quidditch captain is chosen for skills on playing pitch. Head Boy would be chosen on all round abilities so being a prefect wouldn't matter.
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Ashley Moore - Sep 6, 2003 4:13 pm (#34 of 252)
Hi there. That's a lot of questions! Anyway, you'd think it would be Harry for the next Quidditch captain, but, for some reason, I don't think J.K. Rowling would do that. Maybe it will be...uuuhhh...uuuummmmmmm...well...I really have no idea. Anyway, maybe it will be a new player, or maybe one of the Weasley twins, Fred or George. That would be quite interesting. One Weasley twin would be the more popular Quidditch player, and the other Weasley would be jealous, or something like that. But what do I know? I'm not J.K. Rowling, but it seems like she would add more drama to the story like that. Please reply to this with your thoughts and opinions. Thanks! Love, Ashley Moore
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 4:16 pm (#35 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Uh, Fred and George Weasley no longer go to Hogwarts, and so are ineligible for the Captain position.
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mischa fan - Sep 6, 2003 4:17 pm (#36 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
One little problem with one of the Weasley twins being Quidditch captain, they are no longer at the school. I think the 3 main candidates are Katie Bell, Harry Potter, and Ron Weasley. The dark horse in this race is Ginny.
EDIT: You beat me to the post Olivia.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 6, 2003 4:42 pm (#37 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
I think it will go to Katie Bell. Harry has got so much on his plate, that I don't see him doing it (although he will be back as Seeker, or I'll march right across the Atlantic and give JKR a piece of my mind! Ron doesn't have the experience yet, although after rereading OoP last night, I believe he will stay on the team and do very well. Maybe year 7?
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 5:11 pm (#38 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
What exactly does Harry have on his plate? I think he wouldn't mind some extra minor responsibility to take his mind off things.
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Denise P. - Sep 6, 2003 5:14 pm (#39 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Hmmm...he has a homicidal lunatic that is trying to kill him OR he has to kill the lunatic. Harry has NEWTS to prepare for, he has to deal with a less than ideal homelife in addition to all the hormonal things that 16 yr old boys deal with. Heck, I don't see why he would feel overwhelmed at all.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 5:25 pm (#40 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Well... Voldemort's probably not going to affect Harry directly on a day to day level, (at least not until book 7. :b) and I think Harry would appreciate not having the time to spend brooding about it all. Other than that, he has just as much free time as all the other students. Hopefully the new DADA teacher won't be assighning him detentions every other week...
The only other thing I can think of is Occlumency lessons, that will probably take up some time. I don't know...
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Denise P. - Sep 6, 2003 5:35 pm (#41 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
How is knowing that it is going to come down to kill or be killed NOT going to effect him on a daily basis? I don't want to see him brood the entire year either and think Quidditch would be a nice release for him but I don't think we are going to see Harry skipping gleefully through a field of daffodils singing merrily in the next book.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 5:43 pm (#42 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Okay... I don't think I'm making myself clear, and I apoligize, because I think we agree with each other... I'm just saying that it's possible that Harry won't want any free time in which to obsess over Voldy and the prophecy, and so he might accept the Quidditch Captain position if it were offered to him. I never said he'd be happy, just that he'd play Quidditch. Isn't that what he likes to do when stuff's bothering him?
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Denise P. - Sep 6, 2003 5:46 pm (#43 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
I think you are right Olivia since I was reading and wondering what you were thinking LOL Gotcha, we are saying the same thing...each of us are just taking a seperate road to get there. Sorry for the misunderstanding
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schoff - Sep 6, 2003 5:47 pm (#44 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I think Harry's probably going to be very busy with extra tutoring after class, preparing him for his showdown with Voldie. I can't see Dumbledore wasting any more time in regards to Harry's training. It really needs to be speeded up, especially when the stakes are now so high, and no one knows when the end will come (except us--who expect it in the 7th book!).
Katie seems the logical choice for captain next year, with Ron in their 7th year.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 6, 2003 7:06 pm (#45 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Also, I think that DA will become a more official club, with Harry still as main tutor, and that will eat up a lot of his time as well. Plus, he will be in more advanced classes, likely extra training with Occulamancy, and the advanced training that schoff mentioned. Plus the stress of Volde, events in the Order (i think DD or Lupin will keep him far more up to date on what's going on), and so on. I suspect that Quiddich captain has a lot of duties that we don't see, and I just don't think Harry will have the time or drive to do it all (he isn't Hermionie you know). He will play as Seeker, so he'll still have that release.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 6, 2003 8:47 pm (#46 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
Oh well, I never really thought he'd make a good Captain anyway...
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night41 - Sep 7, 2003 6:59 am (#47 of 252)
Quidditch question
I have been thinking about this alot and I know all of are going to hate me for asking this but I think is a pretty good question. Okey here I go. Do you think Harry will play Quidditch next year? I know he loves it but JKR has been facing it out abit. I'm about 85% sure in GOF he could not that year either. It just seems JKR does not seem to find it as important any more. Well it's your turn to shoot this bad boy.
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Thom Matheson - Sep 7, 2003 6:59 am (#48 of 252)
Edited by Denise P. Sep 7, 2003 10:12 am
night41, There is a Quiddich thread up above in Current Discussions. You might want to ask that question up there rather then start a new thread
Edit: I moved this thread to the correct spot
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mollis - Sep 7, 2003 10:09 am (#49 of 252)
Ummm...this is the Quiditch thread.
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Denise P. - Sep 7, 2003 10:13 am (#50 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Mollis, I moved the thread up to the correct spot. I left Thom's post because he gives excellent advice in looking for an exisiting thread before starting a new one.
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Professor Kosh - Sep 7, 2003 11:41 am (#51 of 252)
Instructor, Defense Against the Dark Arts
Oh, I think Quddich will remain in all the books. I don't think JKR is phasing it out, but there is so much going on right now that it can't get the attention it once did. I'm convinced that Harry will come back as Seeker, Ron and Ginny will play, and Ron may make Captain in book 7.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 7, 2003 1:04 pm (#52 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I think Quidditch is going to have a more prominent spot in Book 6 than it did in GoF and OoP, even if it probably won't be as important as it was in PoA... It seemed to me that the game was being slowly reintorduced in OoP after being totally ignored in GoF.
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Hem Hem - Sep 7, 2003 2:03 pm (#53 of 252)
I agree with Olivia. Harry will continue to play quidditch and it will remain a feature of the reamining books. However, Hary does have more pressing issues in his life than winning the quidditch cup, ao we probably won't see the "urgency" towards winning that we saw in PoA.
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schoff - Sep 7, 2003 6:44 pm (#54 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Harry needs to play Quidditch at least for the physical exercise and to stay in shape. His fast reflexes have saved him several times in his dealings with Voldy.
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Denise S. - Sep 8, 2003 10:44 am (#55 of 252)
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Well, it could be argued that sitting on a broom doesn't necessarily qualify as "physical exercise," but I agree that it sharpens his reflexes.
What if Harr loses interest in Quidditch? He's just lost a huge part of his life and then had an equally-sized burden put upon his shoulders. I have a feeling that he's going to spend a great amount of time in the next book being depressed, and when people become depressed, they lose interest in things that they once loved. He spent a lot of time in the last book being lethargic and mopey (for lack of a better word) when he had a lot less to be lethargic and mopey about.
Come to think about it, there could be a number of interesting things JKR could do with the story if Harry turned his back on Quidditch.
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Prefect Marcus - Sep 8, 2003 11:38 am (#56 of 252)
"Anyone can cook"
This may be heresy, but I think there is a good chance that Harry will give up flying for the team. He knows there are far more important things in life right now and may decide to just skip it all together.
However, Quidditch is a big release for him so we shall see.
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OkieAngel - Sep 8, 2003 11:54 am (#57 of 252)
I hear what ya'll are saying regarding Harry giving up Quidditch, but I just don't see it happening. He loves to fly, he loves the thrill of soaring through the air with the greatest of ease (oh wait...that's not him ), plus he loves nothing better than grabbing the snitch out of Malfoy's fingers. Besides, I think DD will make a point of having him play just to show how stupid Umbridge was with her "lifetime" ban.
As for Captain, my vote is still for Katie this year.
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Denise P. - Sep 8, 2003 1:34 pm (#58 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Since we know talent was not what got Dracon on the Slytherin team in the first place, I wonder if he will still have a place without Daddy's money to back him up?
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schoff - Sep 8, 2003 1:38 pm (#59 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I think Draco's position is pretty solid. He evidently is a pretty good Quidditch player, judging Slytherin's performances against all the other teams. He just can't win against the Gryffindors. Harry is, after all, the best seeker in a century. No one seems to be able to beat him, except Diggory, and that was a fluke.
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megfox - Sep 8, 2003 3:53 pm (#60 of 252)
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I don't know whether I necessarily agree about Draco being a good Quidditch player simply because Slytherin has beaten Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. Remember, many times the Slytherin players have been described as being rather...um...formidable, but not very good players (I think Lee Jordan at one point says something to the effect of "The Slytherin captain seems to be going for brawn over talent...") - depending on how dirty they play when Madam Hooch isn't looking, they could purely depend on their ability to cheat their way to victory. Plus, there are ways for a team to win even if their Seeker doesn't catch the Snitch. Although he can fly well, this doesn't mean that Draco is a good Seeker, either - it just means he can stay on the broom well. I think about Quidditch sometimes like polo - I could ride a horse before I could walk, and I have won a lot of ribbons at horseshows in equitation (where they judge the rider and not the horse) but I would positively fall off if I had to concentrate on hitting a ball while charging up the field in a full gallop. I think that a lot of Draco's pull on the team had to do with his dad buying them some of the nicest brooms available, rather than his actual talent.
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schoff - Sep 8, 2003 4:34 pm (#61 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
True, Meg. Draco did get his original place on the team because of Daddy's money. However, the Slytherins are ruthless. I don't think Draco would have stayed on the team if he never caught the snitch. I think I probably should have described Draco as an "adequate" Quidditch player instead of a "good" Quidditch player.
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haymoni - Sep 9, 2003 7:48 am (#62 of 252)
Daddy could have always taken the brooms back if they didn't let Malfoy play!!
Harry needs Quidditch - he's always looking out the window at the pitch - it was the first wizarding thing that he was good at. I'm sure Dumbledore will be at every match, though, just in case.
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molga parrot - Sep 9, 2003 1:14 pm (#63 of 252)
I've read a bit of stick in the press for JK about quidditch, can't remember exactly where, but some journalist was saying the points system is illogical, and that it would be impossible to play the game with such a scoring method. Ach, what do they know...but I do think the system a bit odd, so many points for catching the snitch...makes the chasers and keepers seem a bit unimportant, don't you think?
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schoff - Sep 9, 2003 1:22 pm (#64 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Not if it takes the seeker a really long time to find the snitch. It's very small, and the field is pretty big. I think it would give the players ample time to score goals. Aren't goals worth 10 pts each? Getting 15 or more goals in a long game wouldn't be very hard.
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fidelio - Sep 9, 2003 2:55 pm (#65 of 252)
Remember the World Cup, where the Irish team managed to out-score the Bulgarians, even with Krum catching the snitch?
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Sinister Kittens - Sep 9, 2003 3:15 pm (#66 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Nice one fidelio I was thinking the same thing! Also, didn't it once take three months for one game to end? Who knows what the eventual score was on that match...
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Hem Hem - Sep 9, 2003 7:08 pm (#67 of 252)
And don't forget that Quidditch has been around for centuries. Before the brooms were up to the speed they are now, catching the snitch would have taken even more time. And the pace of the Quaffle game was probably much slower in the earlier centuries as well, because the players were playing more recreationally, and may not have trained as often as modern players.
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zixyer - Sep 11, 2003 7:31 pm (#68 of 252)
The two things that bother me about Quidditch are
How does possession change? I imagine once a player has the ball, he'd really have to do something stupid to drop it. I think it's the bludgers that're supposed to take care of this problem, but then why are they always described as being charmed to knock players off their brooms? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to be charmed to knock the quaffle from the players' hands?
Also, once a player has the ball, what's to prevent her from flying right up in front of one of the goals and lobbing the quaffle in? I'd think it'd work better if there were some player-repelling charms on the goals so that they'd at least have to throw the quaffle some distance.
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A-is-for-Amy - Sep 11, 2003 8:37 pm (#69 of 252)
Mom of 2 boys
I think that Draco WILL be on the team next year, and Harry will play as well. This would be too good an opportunity to miss - an arena for Draco and company to "pay back" Harry for sending their fathers to prison. I think that not only will they play, but it will be brutal when they do! Madam Pomfrey is going to have a busy, busy year!
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Norbert - Sep 12, 2003 6:39 am (#70 of 252)
Zixyer, I think that the possession changes the same as soccer. The ball (quaffle) has to be intercepted or goes to the opposing team after scoring. With only 3 chasers covering a pitch I think there would be long passes and turnovers would happen a lot.
"what's to prevent her from flying right up in front of one of the goals and lobbing the quaffle in?"
The Keepers job is to defend the rings to keep the other team from scoring.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 12, 2003 2:51 pm (#71 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
>>>How does possession change? I imagine once a player has the ball, he'd really have to do something stupid to drop it. ... Also, once a player has the ball, what's to prevent her from flying right up in front of one of the goals and lobbing the quaffle in? <<<<
You'd think that getting the ball in the net in soccer would be pretty easy, too. I mean, how hard can it be to dribble the ball across the field? And the net's huge, what's to stop you from getting it in? And soccer doesn't even have bludgers.
Anyway, I think Amy has a great point.
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Madam Poppy - Sep 13, 2003 12:03 pm (#72 of 252)
Kirsten Valleskey
Edited by Sep 13, 2003 12:06 pm
I've always wondered why the Quidditch teams don't have a coach? You'd think it would help out the team to have someone that can independently observe what's happening. They could be looking out for injuries, jinxes, cheating etc. I assume this job is now done by the team captain but they are up in the air playing a position too.
This is from someone who hasn't played a team sport since high school and never watches any amateur or professional sports.
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Hem Hem - Sep 13, 2003 11:30 pm (#73 of 252)
[Kirsten, I'm disappointed. The only other Seattle-area forum member and you're not a Mariners fan??? Sacriledge! ]
I really agree that the quidditch teams could use coaches. How can they really expect students to coordinate practices and teach plays? If a student coached other students in real-life teams, I can't imagine he would be able to discipline the other students to listen to him. I was in a student-directed play last year, and the "student-director" had absolutely no control over the actors. Nobody would listen to a word he said.
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Mare - Sep 14, 2003 2:58 am (#74 of 252)
I think it has more to do with the kind of person the coach is, than wether he is a student too or not.
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megfox - Sep 14, 2003 10:30 am (#75 of 252)
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Actually, if that's the way that it's expected to work, than usually kids will listen to a student coach. Especially if you have a team that is made up of kids 11-17, the "upperclassman" usually would have a lot of sway over the other atheletes. And in a game like Quidditch, where there is a lot of competition and reputations at stake, then a group is more likely to listen to someone that they think has the knowledge and talent ot make them better. There were many things at my high school that were student-led, and they were just as effective as if they had had an adult coach or advisor. I think that this is what Madame Hooch's job is - work with the captain and make sure that they know the rules and effective drills to work with the other atheltes that the captain is in charge of.
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Dr Filibuster - Sep 14, 2003 2:03 pm (#76 of 252)
Sue, from Northwich, England.
Oliver Wood or Charlie Weasley paying Hogwarts a visit and giving some extra coaching advice to the captain still feels like a possiblity to me.
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Madam Poppy - Sep 14, 2003 6:01 pm (#77 of 252)
Kirsten Valleskey
Edited by Sep 14, 2003 6:02 pm
There is another problem with having the students be the coach The student may have only a year of two to head the team and then they "graduate". That is quite a bit of turnover. Oh well, I guess that's just a part of the challenges of non-professional Quidditch.
Sorry Hem Hem I went to one (1) game. There was alot of standing around and cleaning the field. No wonder their uniforms are always so white!
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Casandra - Sep 15, 2003 9:57 am (#78 of 252)
What about this: Griffindor have already won two times the cup (in Harry's years at school), other cup like the previous would be a little repetitive and boring...(not to me , but maybe to someone)
Maybe this year Hogwarts will not have a "traditional" quidditch cup, maybe Dumbledore or someone else organize a junior world quidditch cup, something like sub-17 football cup. You know: Hogwarts would have a team with people of all the different houses and they would play against a Durmstrang or Beauxbatons team, or from other country.
I think it would be so cool, Harry could be the Hogwarts' captain. They are in a war moment and a world cup would link their countries and people. And most of all it would link all Hogwarts, all the houses.
A possible Howarts team: Seeker: Harry. Reserves: Draco or Cho Beaters: two Slytherin since they are strong and violent Chasers: Ginny and a Hufflepuff and a Rawenclaw Keeper: Ron Coach: Oliver Wood
this could be the reason Oliver come again, to chose and train a team (yeah I know: 3 Griffindors...and only one Hufflepuff and Rawenclaw...I'm not very objective) ;o)
And I think if there is other Griffindor vs Slytherin match, Draco will win or he will catch the snitch...if the only bad thing Harry have not suffer yet :'(
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Anna Katarina - Sep 15, 2003 10:17 am (#79 of 252)
Casandra, I really love your idea. Sadly I doubt that it will happen, since they already had the tri-wizard tournament, it would be a repetition to include a new contest in the series. That said I really hope they organize this type of Quiddich contest after Voldemort is defeated (oh, yes he will be). I know that there are alot of people that wish Oliver Wood back to the school. Somehow I can't see anyway he would be needed, or even want to come back (assuming that the Quddich league isn't canseled).
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Olivia Wood - Sep 15, 2003 8:23 pm (#80 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I don't know about an inter-school competition, but I can definately see Quidditch being reorganized to promote inter-house cooperation. Maybe they can have a team of seventh years and a team of sixth years, etc., or maybe girls against boys, or something like that?
I want Oliver Wood to come back. And not die.
And I want Harry to play seeker against Viktor Krum. Can anyone think of a way this could possibly happen? Because I really want it to.
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Caitlin McCoy - Sep 15, 2003 8:50 pm (#81 of 252)
Fierce are the winds that I blow before me
I do want to see Oliver Wood again too...before book 5 came out there was a rumor that Oliver's ghost was going to be helping Harry. *sighs* Maybe he'll help Harry fnid a way to get to Sirius...I didn't like that ending.
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Sly Girl - Sep 15, 2003 9:20 pm (#82 of 252)
Well, Olivia, I read a fan fic once that had Viktor coming back to take special classes at Hogwarts, and he got sorted into Hufflepuff and Harry had to play against him. :-D I'm not sure JKR would do that though. lol
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M. Klara - Sep 25, 2003 8:51 pm (#83 of 252)
I think that James was a Chaser (SS) This has probably been mentioned, but I have only read the first page of this thread!! Everyone has such great ideas about quiddich! It would be horrible if Harry couldn't rejoin the team!! I am really interested in who will be the new team captain. It would be neat to see Ron do it, he's always so "overshadowed" by everyone. But I feel a kind of . . . loyalty to Harry I guess (even though they are friends) I feel like I should wish HIM to be a captain. Anyway, I'll keep reading the posts . . .
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zelmia - Sep 26, 2003 7:38 pm (#84 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Back to the "coaching" thing: I think that this is exactly the role of the Captain at Hogwarts, which is why it is such an honor and a priviledge to be selected. Remember Oliver Wood's endless diagrams and speeches about strategy?
And as far as the other students listening to him/her, first of all, it's part of the culture of that particular school to have students in charge of the House teams - who can always defer to the Heads if any real crises or problems emerge. More importantly, though, if the Captain has the power to kick someone off the team if who doesn't, you can bet that the rest of the team is going to listen. That's not to say that the rest of the team don't make suggestions or offer up strategy or anything. But they aren't going to make any trouble.
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Griffon Kato - Sep 30, 2003 3:17 am (#85 of 252)
student
Wow! U sure have a lot of question eh?
OK ron had a lot of chance of getting to quiddich team with all of his reputation and his brother on team.But lets think of other people like HERMIONE perhaps........
dont think so because he is a very great player that going to make gryfindor team win every year!!!
like what i said i really hopes that hermione is going to be a quiddich player it will make her a lot fun!!!
Theodore??? No i dont think so, what about Pansy parkinson? and Millicent B? i think they are going to be a good.....losers!!!
It is not Harry potter without quiddich u know? well maybe not as much as usual, but there MUST be at least 1-2 quiddich game!!But on book 4 the quidditch game is interupted by dementors so maybe not a full game but Harry must be at a Quiddich game twice a year.Ofcourse Gryfindor... oK but abselutely not Slyterhin right???Of Course Gryffindor
Of course..he cant be dead hes my favourite..And i really hope ron can be it.
Maybe,coz viktor krum is a history. No coz that broom is made specially for Harry. Maybe, Ithink james possition its bettween Seeker and chaser perhaps but just pray it wont uuu maybe Harry will get mad to the Ravenclaw quidditch team. yes i think he should
maybe yes maybe no........
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mischa fan - Sep 30, 2003 6:23 am (#86 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
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Choices - Oct 8, 2003 10:06 am (#87 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I would like to see a new Quidditch rule that says every player must ride the same kind of broom. I don't think it is fair for the well-to-do kids like Malfoy to have the fastest, latest model and kids like Ron have to ride a lesser quality broom. It doesn't make for a very fair game.
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zelmia - Oct 8, 2003 10:58 am (#88 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Why, Choices? You think all the kids who play for the school soccer team wear the same boots? There are other considerations besides money when it comes to sporting equipment - comfort and fit being chief among them.
And really, when it comes down to it, it's your heart and your talent that matters, not what broom you're riding - as we know from watching Malfoy. As a personal example, my very close friend played basketball in Chuck Taylors, while everyone else had on their $150 Adidas, etc. Yet she was starting point guard for the Varsity Team.
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Ricky Warner - Oct 9, 2003 7:02 am (#89 of 252)
Yeah, but Zelmia, there are those people that have state-of-the-art running shoes with spikes, and then there are those with only a second hand (or third, maybe more) shoes with holes in the side, and no proper soles.
Just like there are those with state-of-the-art brooms with compass etc (I can't think of anything, OK?)and then there are the Weasleys with their multiple hand brooms which steer left, or jerk or whatever.
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zelmia - Oct 9, 2003 9:22 am (#90 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
I just don't think it matters all that much. Sure, those Nimbus broomsticks are nice to have, but I think talent, skill and heart are infinitely more valuable. Using your own example of the Weasleys, 5 of the 7 those siblings made the House team, even with their "inferior" equipment. And none of them seemed to particularly hindered by the broomsticks they were riding - especially Ginny, who was playing Seeker.
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Carina - Oct 13, 2003 6:04 pm (#91 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
Well said, Zelmia! It must say a lot for the Weasley Quidditch talent if they can make the team and play well up against superior equipment.
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::StinkerBell:: - Oct 14, 2003 3:56 pm (#92 of 252)
Use to be LongLiveSnuffles.....
Yes, I agree, but Harry was having trouble when his Nimbus was smashed and had to use the school broomsticks..... He needed to have a better ride to help him win.....
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Choices - Oct 16, 2003 10:11 am (#93 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I certainly never intended to imply that a fine quality broomstick could make up for lack of heart and determination in a player, but given the equal presence of those playing qualities that make for a great quidditch player, the one with the fastest and most recent model broomstick will have the edge. It's just not fair for one team to be playing on the latest model broomsticks (gift of Mr. Malfoy) and the other team riding brooms of lesser quality (school brooms and old models). I believe all the quidditch teams should start out on an equal footing and then they can excell or fail based upon the abilities or talents of the players.
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Carina - Oct 16, 2003 6:57 pm (#94 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I don't agree. I know that even professional athletes will sometimes give themselves a handicap during training in order to become stronger. When they reach a certain point with the handicap, their performance is that much better once it is removed.
As unfair as I think it is for Malfoy to buy his way onto the team, I think it would be more unfair to deny ANY team a gift of fine equipment. And in the long run, what did it matter? Who won the game? (uh... Gryffindor )
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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 19, 2003 1:42 pm (#95 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Landman, I agree with Dr Fillibuster. Read Quidditch Through the Ages, dude!
As for the original thread questions, I have heard rumors about Ron being Quidditch captain, but I don't really think he'd be the best for the position. I agree with the Katie Bell theory.
And as for Harry rejoining the team, there BETTER not dificulties- without Harry we don't really hear about Quidditch at all.
Here's how the Quidditch team should be: Gryffindor: Bell(Chaser), Granger(Chaser), Kirke (Beater), Potter(Seeker), Sloper(Beater), Weasely(Keeper), and Weasley(Chaser) Slytherin:???
Yes, I think Ron should play with the Chudley Cannons.
I have no idea about Krum, and I don't think there WILL be a Firebolt 2.
I don't know about Sirius, but James was definitley Seeker.
It would be cool if Harry flew indoors, but why would he?
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mischa fan - Oct 19, 2003 2:56 pm (#96 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Hermionefan(#1) JK Rowling stated in an interview that James Potter was a chaser, not a seeker. The only place that James was mentioned as a seeker was in the movie, but that isn't considered cannon, so we only have JKR's interview to go by. So James was definitely a chaser
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Kip Carter - Oct 19, 2003 4:45 pm (#97 of 252)
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To both Hermionefan(#1) and Jim (mischa fan),
Jim is very correct in stating that James Potter was a chaser being that is what JKR stated in an interview. Hermionefan(#1) believes that James was a seeker being that the plaque in the film shows James as a seeker.
So that there is not a heated argument, I would like to say that James could have been both. There is no rule stating that you have to play the same position during your entire seven years at Hogwarts. Until JKR states that he was not a seeker and she has not yet stated that, he could have been both.
Enough said!
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mischa fan - Oct 19, 2003 6:12 pm (#98 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Sorry Kip, didn't think I was starting an argument, that wasn't my intention, I will be more careful How I phrase things in the future. And I am sorry if I came off that way to you Hermionefan(#1) I reread my post and it didn't come off as I had intendid.
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Kip Carter - Oct 19, 2003 7:33 pm (#99 of 252)
co-Host with Steve on the Lexicon Forum, but he has the final say as the Owner!
Jim,
I did not feel that you were starting an argument. I just felt that I best interject what I did before some others misinterpret what the two of you were discussing.
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Carina - Oct 19, 2003 7:56 pm (#100 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
It sounds like Ginny's going to be Seeker and Chaser too, BTW!
Hermionefan, I really don't see Miss Granger playing Quidditch. She has never expressed any interest in playing and knows very little about the sport (case-in-point: Wonky-Faint). I think she's very content just watching her best friends play and cheering them on.
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Oh, I think Quddich will remain in all the books. I don't think JKR is phasing it out, but there is so much going on right now that it can't get the attention it once did. I'm convinced that Harry will come back as Seeker, Ron and Ginny will play, and Ron may make Captain in book 7.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 7, 2003 1:04 pm (#52 of 252)
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I think Quidditch is going to have a more prominent spot in Book 6 than it did in GoF and OoP, even if it probably won't be as important as it was in PoA... It seemed to me that the game was being slowly reintorduced in OoP after being totally ignored in GoF.
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Hem Hem - Sep 7, 2003 2:03 pm (#53 of 252)
I agree with Olivia. Harry will continue to play quidditch and it will remain a feature of the reamining books. However, Hary does have more pressing issues in his life than winning the quidditch cup, ao we probably won't see the "urgency" towards winning that we saw in PoA.
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schoff - Sep 7, 2003 6:44 pm (#54 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Harry needs to play Quidditch at least for the physical exercise and to stay in shape. His fast reflexes have saved him several times in his dealings with Voldy.
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Denise S. - Sep 8, 2003 10:44 am (#55 of 252)
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Well, it could be argued that sitting on a broom doesn't necessarily qualify as "physical exercise," but I agree that it sharpens his reflexes.
What if Harr loses interest in Quidditch? He's just lost a huge part of his life and then had an equally-sized burden put upon his shoulders. I have a feeling that he's going to spend a great amount of time in the next book being depressed, and when people become depressed, they lose interest in things that they once loved. He spent a lot of time in the last book being lethargic and mopey (for lack of a better word) when he had a lot less to be lethargic and mopey about.
Come to think about it, there could be a number of interesting things JKR could do with the story if Harry turned his back on Quidditch.
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Prefect Marcus - Sep 8, 2003 11:38 am (#56 of 252)
"Anyone can cook"
This may be heresy, but I think there is a good chance that Harry will give up flying for the team. He knows there are far more important things in life right now and may decide to just skip it all together.
However, Quidditch is a big release for him so we shall see.
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OkieAngel - Sep 8, 2003 11:54 am (#57 of 252)
I hear what ya'll are saying regarding Harry giving up Quidditch, but I just don't see it happening. He loves to fly, he loves the thrill of soaring through the air with the greatest of ease (oh wait...that's not him ), plus he loves nothing better than grabbing the snitch out of Malfoy's fingers. Besides, I think DD will make a point of having him play just to show how stupid Umbridge was with her "lifetime" ban.
As for Captain, my vote is still for Katie this year.
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Denise P. - Sep 8, 2003 1:34 pm (#58 of 252)
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Since we know talent was not what got Dracon on the Slytherin team in the first place, I wonder if he will still have a place without Daddy's money to back him up?
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schoff - Sep 8, 2003 1:38 pm (#59 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I think Draco's position is pretty solid. He evidently is a pretty good Quidditch player, judging Slytherin's performances against all the other teams. He just can't win against the Gryffindors. Harry is, after all, the best seeker in a century. No one seems to be able to beat him, except Diggory, and that was a fluke.
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megfox - Sep 8, 2003 3:53 pm (#60 of 252)
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I don't know whether I necessarily agree about Draco being a good Quidditch player simply because Slytherin has beaten Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. Remember, many times the Slytherin players have been described as being rather...um...formidable, but not very good players (I think Lee Jordan at one point says something to the effect of "The Slytherin captain seems to be going for brawn over talent...") - depending on how dirty they play when Madam Hooch isn't looking, they could purely depend on their ability to cheat their way to victory. Plus, there are ways for a team to win even if their Seeker doesn't catch the Snitch. Although he can fly well, this doesn't mean that Draco is a good Seeker, either - it just means he can stay on the broom well. I think about Quidditch sometimes like polo - I could ride a horse before I could walk, and I have won a lot of ribbons at horseshows in equitation (where they judge the rider and not the horse) but I would positively fall off if I had to concentrate on hitting a ball while charging up the field in a full gallop. I think that a lot of Draco's pull on the team had to do with his dad buying them some of the nicest brooms available, rather than his actual talent.
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schoff - Sep 8, 2003 4:34 pm (#61 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
True, Meg. Draco did get his original place on the team because of Daddy's money. However, the Slytherins are ruthless. I don't think Draco would have stayed on the team if he never caught the snitch. I think I probably should have described Draco as an "adequate" Quidditch player instead of a "good" Quidditch player.
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haymoni - Sep 9, 2003 7:48 am (#62 of 252)
Daddy could have always taken the brooms back if they didn't let Malfoy play!!
Harry needs Quidditch - he's always looking out the window at the pitch - it was the first wizarding thing that he was good at. I'm sure Dumbledore will be at every match, though, just in case.
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molga parrot - Sep 9, 2003 1:14 pm (#63 of 252)
I've read a bit of stick in the press for JK about quidditch, can't remember exactly where, but some journalist was saying the points system is illogical, and that it would be impossible to play the game with such a scoring method. Ach, what do they know...but I do think the system a bit odd, so many points for catching the snitch...makes the chasers and keepers seem a bit unimportant, don't you think?
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schoff - Sep 9, 2003 1:22 pm (#64 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Not if it takes the seeker a really long time to find the snitch. It's very small, and the field is pretty big. I think it would give the players ample time to score goals. Aren't goals worth 10 pts each? Getting 15 or more goals in a long game wouldn't be very hard.
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fidelio - Sep 9, 2003 2:55 pm (#65 of 252)
Remember the World Cup, where the Irish team managed to out-score the Bulgarians, even with Krum catching the snitch?
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Sinister Kittens - Sep 9, 2003 3:15 pm (#66 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Nice one fidelio I was thinking the same thing! Also, didn't it once take three months for one game to end? Who knows what the eventual score was on that match...
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Hem Hem - Sep 9, 2003 7:08 pm (#67 of 252)
And don't forget that Quidditch has been around for centuries. Before the brooms were up to the speed they are now, catching the snitch would have taken even more time. And the pace of the Quaffle game was probably much slower in the earlier centuries as well, because the players were playing more recreationally, and may not have trained as often as modern players.
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zixyer - Sep 11, 2003 7:31 pm (#68 of 252)
The two things that bother me about Quidditch are
How does possession change? I imagine once a player has the ball, he'd really have to do something stupid to drop it. I think it's the bludgers that're supposed to take care of this problem, but then why are they always described as being charmed to knock players off their brooms? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to be charmed to knock the quaffle from the players' hands?
Also, once a player has the ball, what's to prevent her from flying right up in front of one of the goals and lobbing the quaffle in? I'd think it'd work better if there were some player-repelling charms on the goals so that they'd at least have to throw the quaffle some distance.
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A-is-for-Amy - Sep 11, 2003 8:37 pm (#69 of 252)
Mom of 2 boys
I think that Draco WILL be on the team next year, and Harry will play as well. This would be too good an opportunity to miss - an arena for Draco and company to "pay back" Harry for sending their fathers to prison. I think that not only will they play, but it will be brutal when they do! Madam Pomfrey is going to have a busy, busy year!
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Norbert - Sep 12, 2003 6:39 am (#70 of 252)
Zixyer, I think that the possession changes the same as soccer. The ball (quaffle) has to be intercepted or goes to the opposing team after scoring. With only 3 chasers covering a pitch I think there would be long passes and turnovers would happen a lot.
"what's to prevent her from flying right up in front of one of the goals and lobbing the quaffle in?"
The Keepers job is to defend the rings to keep the other team from scoring.
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Olivia Wood - Sep 12, 2003 2:51 pm (#71 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
>>>How does possession change? I imagine once a player has the ball, he'd really have to do something stupid to drop it. ... Also, once a player has the ball, what's to prevent her from flying right up in front of one of the goals and lobbing the quaffle in? <<<<
You'd think that getting the ball in the net in soccer would be pretty easy, too. I mean, how hard can it be to dribble the ball across the field? And the net's huge, what's to stop you from getting it in? And soccer doesn't even have bludgers.
Anyway, I think Amy has a great point.
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Madam Poppy - Sep 13, 2003 12:03 pm (#72 of 252)
Kirsten Valleskey
Edited by Sep 13, 2003 12:06 pm
I've always wondered why the Quidditch teams don't have a coach? You'd think it would help out the team to have someone that can independently observe what's happening. They could be looking out for injuries, jinxes, cheating etc. I assume this job is now done by the team captain but they are up in the air playing a position too.
This is from someone who hasn't played a team sport since high school and never watches any amateur or professional sports.
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Hem Hem - Sep 13, 2003 11:30 pm (#73 of 252)
[Kirsten, I'm disappointed. The only other Seattle-area forum member and you're not a Mariners fan??? Sacriledge! ]
I really agree that the quidditch teams could use coaches. How can they really expect students to coordinate practices and teach plays? If a student coached other students in real-life teams, I can't imagine he would be able to discipline the other students to listen to him. I was in a student-directed play last year, and the "student-director" had absolutely no control over the actors. Nobody would listen to a word he said.
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Mare - Sep 14, 2003 2:58 am (#74 of 252)
I think it has more to do with the kind of person the coach is, than wether he is a student too or not.
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megfox - Sep 14, 2003 10:30 am (#75 of 252)
My name is Madeline Guinevere Fox, and I am pleased to make your aquaintance!
Actually, if that's the way that it's expected to work, than usually kids will listen to a student coach. Especially if you have a team that is made up of kids 11-17, the "upperclassman" usually would have a lot of sway over the other atheletes. And in a game like Quidditch, where there is a lot of competition and reputations at stake, then a group is more likely to listen to someone that they think has the knowledge and talent ot make them better. There were many things at my high school that were student-led, and they were just as effective as if they had had an adult coach or advisor. I think that this is what Madame Hooch's job is - work with the captain and make sure that they know the rules and effective drills to work with the other atheltes that the captain is in charge of.
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Dr Filibuster - Sep 14, 2003 2:03 pm (#76 of 252)
Sue, from Northwich, England.
Oliver Wood or Charlie Weasley paying Hogwarts a visit and giving some extra coaching advice to the captain still feels like a possiblity to me.
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Madam Poppy - Sep 14, 2003 6:01 pm (#77 of 252)
Kirsten Valleskey
Edited by Sep 14, 2003 6:02 pm
There is another problem with having the students be the coach The student may have only a year of two to head the team and then they "graduate". That is quite a bit of turnover. Oh well, I guess that's just a part of the challenges of non-professional Quidditch.
Sorry Hem Hem I went to one (1) game. There was alot of standing around and cleaning the field. No wonder their uniforms are always so white!
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Casandra - Sep 15, 2003 9:57 am (#78 of 252)
What about this: Griffindor have already won two times the cup (in Harry's years at school), other cup like the previous would be a little repetitive and boring...(not to me , but maybe to someone)
Maybe this year Hogwarts will not have a "traditional" quidditch cup, maybe Dumbledore or someone else organize a junior world quidditch cup, something like sub-17 football cup. You know: Hogwarts would have a team with people of all the different houses and they would play against a Durmstrang or Beauxbatons team, or from other country.
I think it would be so cool, Harry could be the Hogwarts' captain. They are in a war moment and a world cup would link their countries and people. And most of all it would link all Hogwarts, all the houses.
A possible Howarts team: Seeker: Harry. Reserves: Draco or Cho Beaters: two Slytherin since they are strong and violent Chasers: Ginny and a Hufflepuff and a Rawenclaw Keeper: Ron Coach: Oliver Wood
this could be the reason Oliver come again, to chose and train a team (yeah I know: 3 Griffindors...and only one Hufflepuff and Rawenclaw...I'm not very objective) ;o)
And I think if there is other Griffindor vs Slytherin match, Draco will win or he will catch the snitch...if the only bad thing Harry have not suffer yet :'(
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Anna Katarina - Sep 15, 2003 10:17 am (#79 of 252)
Casandra, I really love your idea. Sadly I doubt that it will happen, since they already had the tri-wizard tournament, it would be a repetition to include a new contest in the series. That said I really hope they organize this type of Quiddich contest after Voldemort is defeated (oh, yes he will be). I know that there are alot of people that wish Oliver Wood back to the school. Somehow I can't see anyway he would be needed, or even want to come back (assuming that the Quddich league isn't canseled).
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Olivia Wood - Sep 15, 2003 8:23 pm (#80 of 252)
Undisputable evidence: Hermione is an alien.
I don't know about an inter-school competition, but I can definately see Quidditch being reorganized to promote inter-house cooperation. Maybe they can have a team of seventh years and a team of sixth years, etc., or maybe girls against boys, or something like that?
I want Oliver Wood to come back. And not die.
And I want Harry to play seeker against Viktor Krum.
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Caitlin McCoy - Sep 15, 2003 8:50 pm (#81 of 252)
Fierce are the winds that I blow before me
I do want to see Oliver Wood again too...before book 5 came out there was a rumor that Oliver's ghost was going to be helping Harry. *sighs* Maybe he'll help Harry fnid a way to get to Sirius...I didn't like that ending.
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Sly Girl - Sep 15, 2003 9:20 pm (#82 of 252)
Well, Olivia, I read a fan fic once that had Viktor coming back to take special classes at Hogwarts, and he got sorted into Hufflepuff and Harry had to play against him. :-D I'm not sure JKR would do that though. lol
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M. Klara - Sep 25, 2003 8:51 pm (#83 of 252)
I think that James was a Chaser (SS) This has probably been mentioned, but I have only read the first page of this thread!! Everyone has such great ideas about quiddich! It would be horrible if Harry couldn't rejoin the team!! I am really interested in who will be the new team captain. It would be neat to see Ron do it, he's always so "overshadowed" by everyone. But I feel a kind of . . . loyalty to Harry I guess (even though they are friends) I feel like I should wish HIM to be a captain. Anyway, I'll keep reading the posts . . .
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zelmia - Sep 26, 2003 7:38 pm (#84 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Back to the "coaching" thing: I think that this is exactly the role of the Captain at Hogwarts, which is why it is such an honor and a priviledge to be selected. Remember Oliver Wood's endless diagrams and speeches about strategy?
And as far as the other students listening to him/her, first of all, it's part of the culture of that particular school to have students in charge of the House teams - who can always defer to the Heads if any real crises or problems emerge. More importantly, though, if the Captain has the power to kick someone off the team if who doesn't, you can bet that the rest of the team is going to listen. That's not to say that the rest of the team don't make suggestions or offer up strategy or anything. But they aren't going to make any trouble.
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Griffon Kato - Sep 30, 2003 3:17 am (#85 of 252)
student
Wow! U sure have a lot of question eh?
OK ron had a lot of chance of getting to quiddich team with all of his reputation and his brother on team.But lets think of other people like HERMIONE perhaps........
dont think so because he is a very great player that going to make gryfindor team win every year!!!
like what i said i really hopes that hermione is going to be a quiddich player it will make her a lot fun!!!
Theodore??? No i dont think so, what about Pansy parkinson? and Millicent B? i think they are going to be a good.....losers!!!
It is not Harry potter without quiddich u know? well maybe not as much as usual, but there MUST be at least 1-2 quiddich game!!But on book 4 the quidditch game is interupted by dementors so maybe not a full game but Harry must be at a Quiddich game twice a year.Ofcourse Gryfindor... oK but abselutely not Slyterhin right???Of Course Gryffindor
Of course..he cant be dead hes my favourite..And i really hope ron can be it.
Maybe,coz viktor krum is a history. No coz that broom is made specially for Harry. Maybe, Ithink james possition its bettween Seeker and chaser perhaps but just pray it wont uuu maybe Harry will get mad to the Ravenclaw quidditch team. yes i think he should
maybe yes maybe no........
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mischa fan - Sep 30, 2003 6:23 am (#86 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Griffon Kato welcome to the forum please read
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which explains the philosophy of this forum, you will see that we use proper gramer, which includes capitalizing where you should and spelling out words, you not u, hope you enjoy this forum but please keep with the philosophy of it.
Thank You
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Choices - Oct 8, 2003 10:06 am (#87 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I would like to see a new Quidditch rule that says every player must ride the same kind of broom. I don't think it is fair for the well-to-do kids like Malfoy to have the fastest, latest model and kids like Ron have to ride a lesser quality broom. It doesn't make for a very fair game.
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zelmia - Oct 8, 2003 10:58 am (#88 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Why, Choices? You think all the kids who play for the school soccer team wear the same boots? There are other considerations besides money when it comes to sporting equipment - comfort and fit being chief among them.
And really, when it comes down to it, it's your heart and your talent that matters, not what broom you're riding - as we know from watching Malfoy. As a personal example, my very close friend played basketball in Chuck Taylors, while everyone else had on their $150 Adidas, etc. Yet she was starting point guard for the Varsity Team.
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Ricky Warner - Oct 9, 2003 7:02 am (#89 of 252)
Yeah, but Zelmia, there are those people that have state-of-the-art running shoes with spikes, and then there are those with only a second hand (or third, maybe more) shoes with holes in the side, and no proper soles.
Just like there are those with state-of-the-art brooms with compass etc (I can't think of anything, OK?)and then there are the Weasleys with their multiple hand brooms which steer left, or jerk or whatever.
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zelmia - Oct 9, 2003 9:22 am (#90 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
I just don't think it matters all that much. Sure, those Nimbus broomsticks are nice to have, but I think talent, skill and heart are infinitely more valuable. Using your own example of the Weasleys, 5 of the 7 those siblings made the House team, even with their "inferior" equipment. And none of them seemed to particularly hindered by the broomsticks they were riding - especially Ginny, who was playing Seeker.
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Carina - Oct 13, 2003 6:04 pm (#91 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
Well said, Zelmia! It must say a lot for the Weasley Quidditch talent if they can make the team and play well up against superior equipment.
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::StinkerBell:: - Oct 14, 2003 3:56 pm (#92 of 252)
Use to be LongLiveSnuffles.....
Yes, I agree, but Harry was having trouble when his Nimbus was smashed and had to use the school broomsticks..... He needed to have a better ride to help him win.....
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Choices - Oct 16, 2003 10:11 am (#93 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I certainly never intended to imply that a fine quality broomstick could make up for lack of heart and determination in a player, but given the equal presence of those playing qualities that make for a great quidditch player, the one with the fastest and most recent model broomstick will have the edge. It's just not fair for one team to be playing on the latest model broomsticks (gift of Mr. Malfoy) and the other team riding brooms of lesser quality (school brooms and old models). I believe all the quidditch teams should start out on an equal footing and then they can excell or fail based upon the abilities or talents of the players.
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Carina - Oct 16, 2003 6:57 pm (#94 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I don't agree. I know that even professional athletes will sometimes give themselves a handicap during training in order to become stronger. When they reach a certain point with the handicap, their performance is that much better once it is removed.
As unfair as I think it is for Malfoy to buy his way onto the team, I think it would be more unfair to deny ANY team a gift of fine equipment. And in the long run, what did it matter? Who won the game? (uh... Gryffindor )
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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 19, 2003 1:42 pm (#95 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Landman, I agree with Dr Fillibuster. Read Quidditch Through the Ages, dude!
As for the original thread questions, I have heard rumors about Ron being Quidditch captain, but I don't really think he'd be the best for the position. I agree with the Katie Bell theory.
And as for Harry rejoining the team, there BETTER not dificulties- without Harry we don't really hear about Quidditch at all.
Here's how the Quidditch team should be: Gryffindor: Bell(Chaser), Granger(Chaser), Kirke (Beater), Potter(Seeker), Sloper(Beater), Weasely(Keeper), and Weasley(Chaser) Slytherin:???
Yes, I think Ron should play with the Chudley Cannons.
I have no idea about Krum, and I don't think there WILL be a Firebolt 2.
I don't know about Sirius, but James was definitley Seeker.
It would be cool if Harry flew indoors, but why would he?
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mischa fan - Oct 19, 2003 2:56 pm (#96 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Hermionefan(#1) JK Rowling stated in an interview that James Potter was a chaser, not a seeker. The only place that James was mentioned as a seeker was in the movie, but that isn't considered cannon, so we only have JKR's interview to go by. So James was definitely a chaser
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Kip Carter - Oct 19, 2003 4:45 pm (#97 of 252)
co-Host with Steve on the Lexicon Forum, but he has the final say as the Owner!
To both Hermionefan(#1) and Jim (mischa fan),
Jim is very correct in stating that James Potter was a chaser being that is what JKR stated in an interview. Hermionefan(#1) believes that James was a seeker being that the plaque in the film shows James as a seeker.
So that there is not a heated argument, I would like to say that James could have been both. There is no rule stating that you have to play the same position during your entire seven years at Hogwarts. Until JKR states that he was not a seeker and she has not yet stated that, he could have been both.
Enough said!
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mischa fan - Oct 19, 2003 6:12 pm (#98 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Sorry Kip, didn't think I was starting an argument, that wasn't my intention, I will be more careful How I phrase things in the future. And I am sorry if I came off that way to you Hermionefan(#1) I reread my post and it didn't come off as I had intendid.
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Kip Carter - Oct 19, 2003 7:33 pm (#99 of 252)
co-Host with Steve on the Lexicon Forum, but he has the final say as the Owner!
Jim,
I did not feel that you were starting an argument. I just felt that I best interject what I did before some others misinterpret what the two of you were discussing.
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Carina - Oct 19, 2003 7:56 pm (#100 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
It sounds like Ginny's going to be Seeker and Chaser too, BTW!
Hermionefan, I really don't see Miss Granger playing Quidditch. She has never expressed any interest in playing and knows very little about the sport (case-in-point: Wonky-Faint). I think she's very content just watching her best friends play and cheering them on.
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mischa fan - Oct 20, 2003 11:48 am (#101 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Quidditch has played an important part in the books so far, and I for one don't think Rowling introduced us to this sport just to give Harry something to do, it has a reason. We already saw Harry use his Quidditch talent in Goblet of Fire to get the golden egg, but do you think that maybe Voldemort and Harry will have an aerial duel in their final battle with each other, and all of Harry's training will come into play, or is Quidditch just a sport?
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S.E. Jones - Oct 20, 2003 2:04 pm (#102 of 252)
Let it snow!
We also saw his Quidditch training come into play with all the running and dodging he does, such as in the graveyard. Voldemort raised his wand, but this time Harry was ready; with the reflexes born of his Quidditch training, he flung himself sideways onto the ground; he rolled behind the marble headstone of Voldemort's father, and he heard it crack as the curse missed him. (GoF34)
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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 20, 2003 4:07 pm (#103 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Mischa Fan, In OP James nicks a Snitch. Why would he do that if he was Chaser?
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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 20, 2003 4:09 pm (#104 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Carina, that's true about Hermione.
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Denise P. - Oct 20, 2003 4:13 pm (#105 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Hermionefan(#1), you said: In OP James nicks a Snitch. Why would he do that if he was Chaser?
It is more impressive to be playing with a Snitch to show girls how cool you are than a Bludger. I would imagine a Snitch is a bit easier to keep in a pocket during class than a Bludger is too. Since I doubt he was supposed to have the Snitch, it lends itself to be quickly stashed away if a teacher or prefect (other than Lupin) wanders by.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 20, 2003 4:18 pm (#106 of 252)
Let it snow!
Don't you mean a Quaffle, Denise? A Beater would mess with a Bludger, Chasers usually try to avoid them...
BTW, I think Ginny is a very good indicator, as Carina already pointed out, that you can play different positions during different years. I have a feeling he may have started out in one position and took over the other when a player graduated or could no longer play....
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mischa fan - Oct 20, 2003 4:21 pm (#107 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Because it wouldn't impress Lily Evans if he tossed a quaffle around.
EDIT: Denise and Sarah beat me to posting.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 20, 2003 4:22 pm (#108 of 252)
Let it snow!
BTW, Denise, I would be quite impressed if I saw someone tossing a Bludger around, those things aren't exactly easy to handle you know....
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timrew - Oct 20, 2003 4:35 pm (#109 of 252)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Besides, Bludgers aren't handled, they're clubbed.
James could have sat there batting the Bludger towards Snape. I think that would have impressed Lily - especially if it knocked Snape's head off....
Lupin: "Damned bad show, James! You just knocked Snape's head off!"
James: "In that case, just take it down to the bathroom and wash its hair, and then I'll re-attach it with the Corpus Patus Rejoinicus spell."
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Denise P. - Oct 20, 2003 4:58 pm (#110 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Quaffle, I knew that Of course, it would be impressive to juggle a bludger and live to tell about it.
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Psychedelic Enchantress - Oct 28, 2003 11:50 am (#111 of 252)
Wannabe writer
Does anyone else think it's odd that there doesn't seem to be another big sport in the WW? In England everyone is football fixated, it's true, but for those who don't like football, there's rugby, cricket, tennis... the list goes on and on.
Yet over the course of five books, no one ever seems to have mentioned, let alone participated in, some sport other than Quidditch.
It just struck me as weird, that's all.
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Madame Librarian - Oct 28, 2003 12:03 pm (#112 of 252)
Yes, I have thought it a bit odd, but I think JKR just can't give the total picture of a Potterverse and still write a book with any plot.
On the other hand (I can waffle back and forth on these kinds of questions without a Forum)--it is extrememly odd that at a school full of energetic pre-teens and teens there is no other physcial activity outlet even referred to in a throwaway comment. They do go ice skating, don't they, when the lake gets frozen over? There is a mention of a snowball fight (magical, of course). Both of these are from OoP, I believe, because that's the one I'm listening to right now.
As regards the ice skating, isn't it odd that Ron thinks it's so bizarre that Hermione is going skiing (like he'd never heard of it), yet ice skating is quite normal? I'd think there'd be a bunch of wizards who are enthusiastic skiers. Maybe Ron doesn't get it because his family has always been too strapped to even consider those kinds of activities/vacations.
Sorry if this wavers on the brink of being off-topic.
Ciao. Barb
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S.E. Jones - Oct 28, 2003 12:12 pm (#113 of 252)
Let it snow!
Wait, you mean Wizard's chess isn't a sport!?!
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Sinister Kittens - Oct 28, 2003 12:27 pm (#114 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Sarah - I can imagine it's exhausting if your a chess piece! But seriously, Psychedelic Enchantress, isn't Dean Thomas a West Ham fan? (That's a UK football/soccer team), and we know that swimming must be fairly common for it to be included in the Triwizard Tournament - let alone the size of the Prefects bath tub!
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S.E. Jones - Oct 28, 2003 12:43 pm (#115 of 252)
Let it snow!
I have to wonder just how recent the introduction of ice-skating is to the WW. I wonder if it was brought in by Muggle-borns..? Also, there are other games, like Gobstones and, what was it, exploding snaps.... Also, they have dueling clubs, which is kind of like boxing.
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fidelio - Oct 29, 2003 7:10 am (#116 of 252)
Maybe the fact that they are familiar with ice-skating but not skiing has to do with the fact that in the late 17th C the WW decided to stop interacting with the Muggles. Ice-skating is at least medieval, as far as Northern Europe is concerned, while skiing didn't catch on outside of the Nordic and Alpine countries until the 20th C. Scandiavian wizards might well ski, since they've been skiing there a long time, and not just for sport, while British wizards, unless they've spent a lot of time in a skiing country, would find it an odd thing to do. When the South Pole expeditions were set up, just before World War I, it seemed perfectly natural to Amundsen and his team [all Scandinavians] to use cross-country skis, while the British expedition were unfamiliar with them. I expect that a lot of things that began to be comon among Muggles after the end of the 17th century are very odd to people in the WW, unless they made a conscious idea to import/adopt them for their own use--and I wonder how often it was a Muggle-born witch or wizard who introduced the innovation--like the Hogwarts Express, the Knight Bus, and the Wizard Wireless Network. As for Dean Thomas and West Ham Football Club--he's Muggle-born, remember? Also, if you looked at the US in 1901, there were children's games like marbles, hopscotch, crack-the-whip, and so on, and there was horse-racing, but only one really big organized team sport--baseball. In Quidditch Through the Ages, a broomstick race in Sweden is mentioned--maybe students at Hogwarts also have impromptu broomstick races.
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Madame Librarian - Oct 29, 2003 11:24 am (#117 of 252)
fidelio, Mme. Hooch probably would ban broomstick races. Other than that, I think your take on the whole sports thing is very good. Wouldn't it be hilarious to have a chapter in 6 or 7 where Hermione's parents invite Ron and Harry to go skiing? Not likely, but fun to imagine ("Harry Potter and the Black Diamond Hill of Moguls").
Ciao. Barb
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fidelio - Oct 29, 2003 12:35 pm (#118 of 252)
Barb, just because they aren't supposed to do it doesn't seem to stop a lot of these kids--any more than it did when we were that age. Even the ones who are good--most of the time--might break loose if the chance for a little aerial acceleration offered itself! Maybe that's why first year students don't get brooms?
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Madame Librarian - Oct 29, 2003 1:02 pm (#119 of 252)
Of course that wouldn't stop them, but I suspect the Mme. Hooch might be on to them anyway. One illicit broom race, and she jinxes all the brooms but the Quidditch teams'.
Ciao. Barb
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Carina - Oct 30, 2003 12:42 pm (#120 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I was wondering this the other day. Even for calm, indoor games, we hear of Wizard Chess and Exploding Snap, but nothing else. When it comes to recreation, it seems like the choices are very limited.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 30, 2003 1:15 pm (#121 of 252)
Let it snow!
What about Gobstones? I'm not entirely sure what they are, but I'm betting it's an indoor sport....
Anyway, don't forget that the kids are at Hogwarts to learn, they wouldn't want too many sports, etc going on. That's one of the main problems being cited in most highschools here in the US, too many sports, not enough focus on acedemics. The focus on education and the lack of release for physical energy may explain why Quidditch seems so popular at the school and then later in life....
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Choices - Nov 1, 2003 4:36 pm (#122 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Back to the bit about James playing with the snitch while sitting out under the tree. That says to me that he is a seeker. Surely they don't just have snitches laying around - think of the havoc if someone accidentally on purpose let a second snitch loose during a Quidditch match. Surely James has access to a snitch because he is a seeker and uses it to practice.
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Madame Librarian - Nov 1, 2003 5:42 pm (#123 of 252)
Well, I just listened to that part ("Snape's Worst Memory," ch. 28)--
...He put his hand in his pocket and took out a struggling Golden Snitch.
"Where'd you get that?"
"Nicked it," said James casually.
As far as I'm concerned any team member could have gotten their hands on a Snitch if they were clever enough. All the balls are kept in one special chest (or is that just in the film version?). The trick is to have access to the team equipment area. The fact that he's got it doesn't say anything about what position he played. Granted, a Mr. Cool who was not the Seeker would probably find some other way to impress girls.
Ciao. Barb
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schoff - Nov 2, 2003 1:54 am (#124 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Maybe James was a Chaser who wanted to be a Seeker, but couldn't because the position was taken. Kind of like Ginny being the Seeker, but not liking it.
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eggplant - Nov 2, 2003 9:29 am (#125 of 252)
I can’t imagine why Rowling would put a scene in the most recent book of James playing with the snitch and catching it with extraordinary speed and agility if she wanted us to think James was a chaser, especially when she must know that tens millions of people have already gotten it into their head from the movie that he was a Seeker. The only evidence to the contrary is a chat she made to a bunch of fourth graders before the movie was made. She just changed her mind and there is nothing wrong with that.
Eggplant
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Choices - Nov 2, 2003 10:37 am (#126 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Perhaps he only said he "nicked it" to make himself sound more daring. He was rather into himself back then. Having him play with a snitch would be somewhat confusing if he wasn't a seeker.
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azi - Nov 2, 2003 10:41 am (#127 of 252)
Photo borrowed from Ardent Photography
I don't think he'd make up a lie like that and tell Sirius. There isn't any need to say something like that to his best friend! Sirius would probably see through a lie and it wouldn't impress him.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 3, 2003 12:36 pm (#128 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
I agree. James didn't lie. And besides he said it casually. If he was trying to make himself sound more daring, why didn't he change his voice?
And I don't think James was a Chaser who wanted to be a Seeker. It would seem a bit degrading to play with a Snitch if you weren't good enough to play as Seeker.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 3, 2003 2:37 pm (#129 of 252)
Let it snow!
I still say the simplest explanation is the best. He was both a chaser and a seeker. Ginny wants to go from seeker to chaser, so why couldn't James have gone from chaser to seeker (or vise-a-versa) as the positions opened up on the team?
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 4, 2003 8:47 am (#130 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
He could. I just think that with his arrogance it seemes unlikely that he wasn't the best for this position. And don't you think the team would let him play Seeker if he were better that the one they already had? And don't you think the girls would have seen him more as ridiculous than cool if he played that arrogance and he wasn't that good?
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fidelio - Nov 4, 2003 9:15 am (#131 of 252)
I think Oliver Wood notes that the best Seekers are light in weight--perhaps James was a Seeker, then hit one of those teenaged growth spurts, and was a little too big for the position, and so switched to Chaser, where this might not matter as much. I'm thinking in terms of American-style football, where the wide receivers [who catch the passes] are selected for speed and agility, and are often smaller than the running backs [who run with the ball] and need to be stronger and sturdier to shake off tackles and push their way through the opposing team's players as they go.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 4, 2003 9:44 am (#132 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
Yeah, maybe. But I still think that would make him seem a little foolish. To play with a Snitch to show off although you didn't play that position?...
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Madam Pince - Nov 4, 2003 12:37 pm (#133 of 252)
The eyes are the windows to the soul...
LauraAngel, I think girls quite frequently think boys are ridiculous when the boys think they are being cool. I think the whole deal about nicking the snitch was just a minor thing that gives no indication whatsoever about what position he played -- it's more meant to indicate that James was mischievous and disregarded rules while trying to impress others. Technically, even a non-player could nick a snitch, if they were sneaky enough to get into the equipment storage. And as for the fact that it was a snitch rather than a bludger or a quaffle, well...isn't a snitch quite a bit smaller? Easier to stash away in your robes.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 4, 2003 2:06 pm (#134 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
Well, yeah... I see what you mean but I don't quite agree. I just can't seem to find the words right now. Maybe somebody can help me?
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Sinister Kittens - Nov 4, 2003 4:32 pm (#135 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Laura - I'm with you on this one! I used to play Left Back in Hockey and got moved to Left Wing (LW) when that player was injured (UK version - def. NOT on ice, we would have fallen through!). And even though I scored more as LW, I was always more of a defensive player, maybe that is the same as Quiditch. You could be assigned a position and then find, though the natural course of events, that you are in fact better at something else...
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Weeny Owl - Nov 4, 2003 5:25 pm (#136 of 252)
I can see a fifteen-year-old boy playing with something to try to impress a girl.
When I was in band in high school, the drummers liked to twirl their drumsticks (kind of the same way Draco twirls Harry's wand in Umbridge's office), and sometimes other band members would take the drumsticks and try to look just as cool as the drummers did... or thought they did, anyway.
I can see James taking a Snitch just to try to look cool, but I could also see him playing more than one position.
There's no direct answer except for JKR's interview stating James was a Chaser, but with book six, we may find out he was also a Seeker. Heck, he might have played all the positions.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 4, 2003 6:09 pm (#137 of 252)
Let it snow!
LauraAngel: And don't you think the team would let him play Seeker if he were better that the one they already had?
If they already had a Seeker, why would James even get a chance to show that he was better? There is no need to hold a tryout for a position that's already taken. I was thinking along the lines that maybe their Seeker graduated and so they needed someone to replace them. I think we will find out that he played multiple positions in the next few books.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 5, 2003 12:26 pm (#138 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
I don't know, but I think that James (with his arrogance and all) would find a way to show the team captain that he was better than the one in position. Or maybe what we saw was James's attempt to show the team captain that he was better and he was then made a Seeker?
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Denise P. - Nov 5, 2003 7:22 pm (#139 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
We know he was a Chaser, he may have been a Seeker at some point but we know for canon fact he was a Chaser. I really think the Snitch was nothing more than showing off how fast and clever he is for the girls.
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Psychedelic Enchantress - Nov 6, 2003 4:50 am (#140 of 252)
Wannabe writer
And it's much more impressive, showing off with a Snitch. It would seem that James would do anything to flaunt his lightning-fast reflexes!
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 7, 2003 4:56 pm (#141 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
I guess so... but I still can't help thinking that it looks ridiculous... but then again, if the girls just admired him for being talented in classes and he thought they would look cool, then...
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fidelio - Nov 10, 2003 11:54 am (#142 of 252)
I suspect that Lily agreed with you that it looked ridiculous, judging from her reaction to James--but then, a lot of our attempts to impress members of the opposite sex end up looking stupid to the observer, not matter how cool we think we are at the time.
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eggplant - Nov 10, 2003 2:26 pm (#143 of 252)
Actually we don’t know for a canon fact that James was a Chaser, in fact if we were going by the books and nothing else we’d have to say he was probably a Seeker. The only thing to the contrary is one chat several years ago when JKR said he was a Chaser. She never repeated that statement, not even after the first movie came out that said he was a Seeker. I think JKR just changed he mind, or more precisely, however hard she tried to force him James just refused to be a Chaser. Great writers sometimes find that characters take on a life of their own and surprise even the author.
Eggplant
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Denise P. - Nov 10, 2003 2:29 pm (#144 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
JKR said it in an interview and unless she has retracted it, it is canon. James was a Chaser. I think if he was a Seeker, she would have cleared it up.
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Carina - Nov 10, 2003 2:34 pm (#145 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
Rowling interviews ARE considered canon, so we do have canon facts that he was a chaser.
On the other hand, I totally agree with you. JKR may have very well changed her mind later on and made him a seeker. The woman is human and not only has the right to change her mind, but make mistakes as well. While interviews are considered canon, I always take them as a bit less reliable. What she says under the pressure of an interview can't be held to the same standard as the books, in my opinion.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 10, 2003 11:28 pm (#146 of 252)
Let it snow!
eggplant: I think JKR just changed he mind, or more precisely, however hard she tried to force him James just refused to be a Chaser.
Ooh, eggplant, I loved the way you phrased that. I'm reminded of an interview in which JKR was asked why she didn't make her main character female. Her answer was that Harry came to her, she didn't go looking for him, and it would've just been Harry in a wig.... Characters can easily become real, both to reader and writer alike. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were the case here...
The Connection, 12 October 1999
The first thing I should say is that I had been writing this book for 6 months before I myself, it did take me 6 months, stopped and thought ‘Hang on, why is it Harry, why isn’t it Harriet? Why is this a boy?‘ Now, the answer is that Harry came to me so complete, so real that if I had stopped, after 6 months of writing and thought, ‘we’ll change him into a girl, I’m going to be politically correct, I’m going to make a heroine‘, it would have been putting Harry into drag. He was too real to me by then to turn him into a girl. Look here for more interviews...
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zelmia - Nov 12, 2003 4:54 pm (#147 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
I would just like to say that in my opinion it takes a lot more talent and skill to play Chaser than it does to play Seeker and throughout this thread no one seems to have recognised that. The Seeker has only one thing to do and that is fly around looking for one little ball. Yes, that's difficult because of the way the ball itself works; and yes, it's important because of the points.
But this is a TEAM sport. And a Chaser not only has to be able to (A) score goals by throwing the ball through one of the hoops. A Chaser also has to be able to (B) pass well, which means having a constant awareness of where both your team mates and your opponents are; (C) receive passes and create plays, which means getting into a position to do so, clear communication, agility and quickness, and again, awareness of where both team mates and opponents are.
All the while they need to be on the lookout for Bludgers, as does everyone else. Pretty tough position, if you ask me and I think the most underrated of all.
As for why James had the Snitch and not the Quaffle or a Bludger, I think it's pretty obvious that the Snitch is far easier to conceal. I believe in CS - The Rogue Bludger, Wood refers to the balls having been locked in Hooch's office since the last practice. I don't believe he mentions a trunk or any other container for them, but if James had the Marauder's Map, he could easily have gotten in to steal anything he wanted.
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Caput Draconis - Nov 15, 2003 2:08 am (#148 of 252)
Look...at...me...
Edited by Nov 15, 2003 1:09 am
So perhaps just a different kind of skill. I think the important thing with James is not what position he played, but that he played at all - he understands (as it seems only a select few do) that rush Harry gets from playing, and the desire to be on the pitch. I've never picked up on any rivalries between positions in Quiddich (like 'I'm a seeker, you're only a chaser'), for me the distinction has always been between those who play and those who couldn't care less. So no matter what James played, it's yet another way of comparing him to his son.
I'm aware this sounds lame, but having spent an insane amount of hours playing Quiddich World Cup on PS2 you come to realise how important the chasers are in defence as well. Can't rely on bludgers all the time.
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Carina - Nov 15, 2003 11:15 am (#149 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I think it's like any team. While some positions may look more glamourous in the eyes of the spectators, a good member of any strong team knows the importance of each position.
I hear from a number of people that the seeker is the most important position and there's no reason for the Chasers. Those people fail to remember that Ireland won the Cup without catching the snitch.
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Psychedelic Enchantress - Nov 19, 2003 3:20 am (#150 of 252)
Wannabe writer
If there's no reason for the Chasers, why include them? Fancy playing a position that's known to be redundant... Poor them!
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Easy being green, it is not
Quidditch has played an important part in the books so far, and I for one don't think Rowling introduced us to this sport just to give Harry something to do, it has a reason. We already saw Harry use his Quidditch talent in Goblet of Fire to get the golden egg, but do you think that maybe Voldemort and Harry will have an aerial duel in their final battle with each other, and all of Harry's training will come into play, or is Quidditch just a sport?
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S.E. Jones - Oct 20, 2003 2:04 pm (#102 of 252)
Let it snow!
We also saw his Quidditch training come into play with all the running and dodging he does, such as in the graveyard. Voldemort raised his wand, but this time Harry was ready; with the reflexes born of his Quidditch training, he flung himself sideways onto the ground; he rolled behind the marble headstone of Voldemort's father, and he heard it crack as the curse missed him. (GoF34)
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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 20, 2003 4:07 pm (#103 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Mischa Fan, In OP James nicks a Snitch. Why would he do that if he was Chaser?
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Hermionefan(#1) - Oct 20, 2003 4:09 pm (#104 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Carina, that's true about Hermione.
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Denise P. - Oct 20, 2003 4:13 pm (#105 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Hermionefan(#1), you said: In OP James nicks a Snitch. Why would he do that if he was Chaser?
It is more impressive to be playing with a Snitch to show girls how cool you are than a Bludger. I would imagine a Snitch is a bit easier to keep in a pocket during class than a Bludger is too. Since I doubt he was supposed to have the Snitch, it lends itself to be quickly stashed away if a teacher or prefect (other than Lupin) wanders by.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 20, 2003 4:18 pm (#106 of 252)
Let it snow!
Don't you mean a Quaffle, Denise? A Beater would mess with a Bludger, Chasers usually try to avoid them...
BTW, I think Ginny is a very good indicator, as Carina already pointed out, that you can play different positions during different years. I have a feeling he may have started out in one position and took over the other when a player graduated or could no longer play....
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mischa fan - Oct 20, 2003 4:21 pm (#107 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Because it wouldn't impress Lily Evans if he tossed a quaffle around.
EDIT: Denise and Sarah beat me to posting.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 20, 2003 4:22 pm (#108 of 252)
Let it snow!
BTW, Denise, I would be quite impressed if I saw someone tossing a Bludger around, those things aren't exactly easy to handle you know....
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timrew - Oct 20, 2003 4:35 pm (#109 of 252)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
Besides, Bludgers aren't handled, they're clubbed.
James could have sat there batting the Bludger towards Snape. I think that would have impressed Lily - especially if it knocked Snape's head off....
Lupin: "Damned bad show, James! You just knocked Snape's head off!"
James: "In that case, just take it down to the bathroom and wash its hair, and then I'll re-attach it with the Corpus Patus Rejoinicus spell."
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Denise P. - Oct 20, 2003 4:58 pm (#110 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
Quaffle, I knew that Of course, it would be impressive to juggle a bludger and live to tell about it.
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Psychedelic Enchantress - Oct 28, 2003 11:50 am (#111 of 252)
Wannabe writer
Does anyone else think it's odd that there doesn't seem to be another big sport in the WW? In England everyone is football fixated, it's true, but for those who don't like football, there's rugby, cricket, tennis... the list goes on and on.
Yet over the course of five books, no one ever seems to have mentioned, let alone participated in, some sport other than Quidditch.
It just struck me as weird, that's all.
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Madame Librarian - Oct 28, 2003 12:03 pm (#112 of 252)
Yes, I have thought it a bit odd, but I think JKR just can't give the total picture of a Potterverse and still write a book with any plot.
On the other hand (I can waffle back and forth on these kinds of questions without a Forum)--it is extrememly odd that at a school full of energetic pre-teens and teens there is no other physcial activity outlet even referred to in a throwaway comment. They do go ice skating, don't they, when the lake gets frozen over? There is a mention of a snowball fight (magical, of course). Both of these are from OoP, I believe, because that's the one I'm listening to right now.
As regards the ice skating, isn't it odd that Ron thinks it's so bizarre that Hermione is going skiing (like he'd never heard of it), yet ice skating is quite normal? I'd think there'd be a bunch of wizards who are enthusiastic skiers. Maybe Ron doesn't get it because his family has always been too strapped to even consider those kinds of activities/vacations.
Sorry if this wavers on the brink of being off-topic.
Ciao. Barb
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S.E. Jones - Oct 28, 2003 12:12 pm (#113 of 252)
Let it snow!
Wait, you mean Wizard's chess isn't a sport!?!
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Sinister Kittens - Oct 28, 2003 12:27 pm (#114 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Sarah - I can imagine it's exhausting if your a chess piece! But seriously, Psychedelic Enchantress, isn't Dean Thomas a West Ham fan? (That's a UK football/soccer team), and we know that swimming must be fairly common for it to be included in the Triwizard Tournament - let alone the size of the Prefects bath tub!
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S.E. Jones - Oct 28, 2003 12:43 pm (#115 of 252)
Let it snow!
I have to wonder just how recent the introduction of ice-skating is to the WW. I wonder if it was brought in by Muggle-borns..? Also, there are other games, like Gobstones and, what was it, exploding snaps.... Also, they have dueling clubs, which is kind of like boxing.
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fidelio - Oct 29, 2003 7:10 am (#116 of 252)
Maybe the fact that they are familiar with ice-skating but not skiing has to do with the fact that in the late 17th C the WW decided to stop interacting with the Muggles. Ice-skating is at least medieval, as far as Northern Europe is concerned, while skiing didn't catch on outside of the Nordic and Alpine countries until the 20th C. Scandiavian wizards might well ski, since they've been skiing there a long time, and not just for sport, while British wizards, unless they've spent a lot of time in a skiing country, would find it an odd thing to do. When the South Pole expeditions were set up, just before World War I, it seemed perfectly natural to Amundsen and his team [all Scandinavians] to use cross-country skis, while the British expedition were unfamiliar with them. I expect that a lot of things that began to be comon among Muggles after the end of the 17th century are very odd to people in the WW, unless they made a conscious idea to import/adopt them for their own use--and I wonder how often it was a Muggle-born witch or wizard who introduced the innovation--like the Hogwarts Express, the Knight Bus, and the Wizard Wireless Network. As for Dean Thomas and West Ham Football Club--he's Muggle-born, remember? Also, if you looked at the US in 1901, there were children's games like marbles, hopscotch, crack-the-whip, and so on, and there was horse-racing, but only one really big organized team sport--baseball. In Quidditch Through the Ages, a broomstick race in Sweden is mentioned--maybe students at Hogwarts also have impromptu broomstick races.
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Madame Librarian - Oct 29, 2003 11:24 am (#117 of 252)
fidelio, Mme. Hooch probably would ban broomstick races. Other than that, I think your take on the whole sports thing is very good. Wouldn't it be hilarious to have a chapter in 6 or 7 where Hermione's parents invite Ron and Harry to go skiing? Not likely, but fun to imagine ("Harry Potter and the Black Diamond Hill of Moguls").
Ciao. Barb
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fidelio - Oct 29, 2003 12:35 pm (#118 of 252)
Barb, just because they aren't supposed to do it doesn't seem to stop a lot of these kids--any more than it did when we were that age. Even the ones who are good--most of the time--might break loose if the chance for a little aerial acceleration offered itself! Maybe that's why first year students don't get brooms?
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Madame Librarian - Oct 29, 2003 1:02 pm (#119 of 252)
Of course that wouldn't stop them, but I suspect the Mme. Hooch might be on to them anyway. One illicit broom race, and she jinxes all the brooms but the Quidditch teams'.
Ciao. Barb
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Carina - Oct 30, 2003 12:42 pm (#120 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I was wondering this the other day. Even for calm, indoor games, we hear of Wizard Chess and Exploding Snap, but nothing else. When it comes to recreation, it seems like the choices are very limited.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 30, 2003 1:15 pm (#121 of 252)
Let it snow!
What about Gobstones? I'm not entirely sure what they are, but I'm betting it's an indoor sport....
Anyway, don't forget that the kids are at Hogwarts to learn, they wouldn't want too many sports, etc going on. That's one of the main problems being cited in most highschools here in the US, too many sports, not enough focus on acedemics. The focus on education and the lack of release for physical energy may explain why Quidditch seems so popular at the school and then later in life....
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Choices - Nov 1, 2003 4:36 pm (#122 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Back to the bit about James playing with the snitch while sitting out under the tree. That says to me that he is a seeker. Surely they don't just have snitches laying around - think of the havoc if someone accidentally on purpose let a second snitch loose during a Quidditch match. Surely James has access to a snitch because he is a seeker and uses it to practice.
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Madame Librarian - Nov 1, 2003 5:42 pm (#123 of 252)
Well, I just listened to that part ("Snape's Worst Memory," ch. 28)--
...He put his hand in his pocket and took out a struggling Golden Snitch.
"Where'd you get that?"
"Nicked it," said James casually.
As far as I'm concerned any team member could have gotten their hands on a Snitch if they were clever enough. All the balls are kept in one special chest (or is that just in the film version?). The trick is to have access to the team equipment area. The fact that he's got it doesn't say anything about what position he played. Granted, a Mr. Cool who was not the Seeker would probably find some other way to impress girls.
Ciao. Barb
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schoff - Nov 2, 2003 1:54 am (#124 of 252)
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Maybe James was a Chaser who wanted to be a Seeker, but couldn't because the position was taken. Kind of like Ginny being the Seeker, but not liking it.
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eggplant - Nov 2, 2003 9:29 am (#125 of 252)
I can’t imagine why Rowling would put a scene in the most recent book of James playing with the snitch and catching it with extraordinary speed and agility if she wanted us to think James was a chaser, especially when she must know that tens millions of people have already gotten it into their head from the movie that he was a Seeker. The only evidence to the contrary is a chat she made to a bunch of fourth graders before the movie was made. She just changed her mind and there is nothing wrong with that.
Eggplant
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Choices - Nov 2, 2003 10:37 am (#126 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Perhaps he only said he "nicked it" to make himself sound more daring. He was rather into himself back then. Having him play with a snitch would be somewhat confusing if he wasn't a seeker.
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azi - Nov 2, 2003 10:41 am (#127 of 252)
Photo borrowed from Ardent Photography
I don't think he'd make up a lie like that and tell Sirius. There isn't any need to say something like that to his best friend! Sirius would probably see through a lie and it wouldn't impress him.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 3, 2003 12:36 pm (#128 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
I agree. James didn't lie. And besides he said it casually. If he was trying to make himself sound more daring, why didn't he change his voice?
And I don't think James was a Chaser who wanted to be a Seeker. It would seem a bit degrading to play with a Snitch if you weren't good enough to play as Seeker.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 3, 2003 2:37 pm (#129 of 252)
Let it snow!
I still say the simplest explanation is the best. He was both a chaser and a seeker. Ginny wants to go from seeker to chaser, so why couldn't James have gone from chaser to seeker (or vise-a-versa) as the positions opened up on the team?
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 4, 2003 8:47 am (#130 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
He could. I just think that with his arrogance it seemes unlikely that he wasn't the best for this position. And don't you think the team would let him play Seeker if he were better that the one they already had? And don't you think the girls would have seen him more as ridiculous than cool if he played that arrogance and he wasn't that good?
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fidelio - Nov 4, 2003 9:15 am (#131 of 252)
I think Oliver Wood notes that the best Seekers are light in weight--perhaps James was a Seeker, then hit one of those teenaged growth spurts, and was a little too big for the position, and so switched to Chaser, where this might not matter as much. I'm thinking in terms of American-style football, where the wide receivers [who catch the passes] are selected for speed and agility, and are often smaller than the running backs [who run with the ball] and need to be stronger and sturdier to shake off tackles and push their way through the opposing team's players as they go.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 4, 2003 9:44 am (#132 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
Yeah, maybe. But I still think that would make him seem a little foolish. To play with a Snitch to show off although you didn't play that position?...
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Madam Pince - Nov 4, 2003 12:37 pm (#133 of 252)
The eyes are the windows to the soul...
LauraAngel, I think girls quite frequently think boys are ridiculous when the boys think they are being cool. I think the whole deal about nicking the snitch was just a minor thing that gives no indication whatsoever about what position he played -- it's more meant to indicate that James was mischievous and disregarded rules while trying to impress others. Technically, even a non-player could nick a snitch, if they were sneaky enough to get into the equipment storage. And as for the fact that it was a snitch rather than a bludger or a quaffle, well...isn't a snitch quite a bit smaller? Easier to stash away in your robes.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 4, 2003 2:06 pm (#134 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
Well, yeah... I see what you mean but I don't quite agree. I just can't seem to find the words right now. Maybe somebody can help me?
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Sinister Kittens - Nov 4, 2003 4:32 pm (#135 of 252)
I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Laura - I'm with you on this one! I used to play Left Back in Hockey and got moved to Left Wing (LW) when that player was injured (UK version - def. NOT on ice, we would have fallen through!). And even though I scored more as LW, I was always more of a defensive player, maybe that is the same as Quiditch. You could be assigned a position and then find, though the natural course of events, that you are in fact better at something else...
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Weeny Owl - Nov 4, 2003 5:25 pm (#136 of 252)
I can see a fifteen-year-old boy playing with something to try to impress a girl.
When I was in band in high school, the drummers liked to twirl their drumsticks (kind of the same way Draco twirls Harry's wand in Umbridge's office), and sometimes other band members would take the drumsticks and try to look just as cool as the drummers did... or thought they did, anyway.
I can see James taking a Snitch just to try to look cool, but I could also see him playing more than one position.
There's no direct answer except for JKR's interview stating James was a Chaser, but with book six, we may find out he was also a Seeker. Heck, he might have played all the positions.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 4, 2003 6:09 pm (#137 of 252)
Let it snow!
LauraAngel: And don't you think the team would let him play Seeker if he were better that the one they already had?
If they already had a Seeker, why would James even get a chance to show that he was better? There is no need to hold a tryout for a position that's already taken. I was thinking along the lines that maybe their Seeker graduated and so they needed someone to replace them. I think we will find out that he played multiple positions in the next few books.
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 5, 2003 12:26 pm (#138 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
I don't know, but I think that James (with his arrogance and all) would find a way to show the team captain that he was better than the one in position. Or maybe what we saw was James's attempt to show the team captain that he was better and he was then made a Seeker?
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Denise P. - Nov 5, 2003 7:22 pm (#139 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
We know he was a Chaser, he may have been a Seeker at some point but we know for canon fact he was a Chaser. I really think the Snitch was nothing more than showing off how fast and clever he is for the girls.
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Psychedelic Enchantress - Nov 6, 2003 4:50 am (#140 of 252)
Wannabe writer
And it's much more impressive, showing off with a Snitch. It would seem that James would do anything to flaunt his lightning-fast reflexes!
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Nov 7, 2003 4:56 pm (#141 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
I guess so... but I still can't help thinking that it looks ridiculous... but then again, if the girls just admired him for being talented in classes and he thought they would look cool, then...
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fidelio - Nov 10, 2003 11:54 am (#142 of 252)
I suspect that Lily agreed with you that it looked ridiculous, judging from her reaction to James--but then, a lot of our attempts to impress members of the opposite sex end up looking stupid to the observer, not matter how cool we think we are at the time.
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eggplant - Nov 10, 2003 2:26 pm (#143 of 252)
Actually we don’t know for a canon fact that James was a Chaser, in fact if we were going by the books and nothing else we’d have to say he was probably a Seeker. The only thing to the contrary is one chat several years ago when JKR said he was a Chaser. She never repeated that statement, not even after the first movie came out that said he was a Seeker. I think JKR just changed he mind, or more precisely, however hard she tried to force him James just refused to be a Chaser. Great writers sometimes find that characters take on a life of their own and surprise even the author.
Eggplant
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Denise P. - Nov 10, 2003 2:29 pm (#144 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
JKR said it in an interview and unless she has retracted it, it is canon. James was a Chaser. I think if he was a Seeker, she would have cleared it up.
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Carina - Nov 10, 2003 2:34 pm (#145 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
Rowling interviews ARE considered canon, so we do have canon facts that he was a chaser.
On the other hand, I totally agree with you. JKR may have very well changed her mind later on and made him a seeker. The woman is human and not only has the right to change her mind, but make mistakes as well. While interviews are considered canon, I always take them as a bit less reliable. What she says under the pressure of an interview can't be held to the same standard as the books, in my opinion.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 10, 2003 11:28 pm (#146 of 252)
Let it snow!
eggplant: I think JKR just changed he mind, or more precisely, however hard she tried to force him James just refused to be a Chaser.
Ooh, eggplant, I loved the way you phrased that. I'm reminded of an interview in which JKR was asked why she didn't make her main character female. Her answer was that Harry came to her, she didn't go looking for him, and it would've just been Harry in a wig.... Characters can easily become real, both to reader and writer alike. I wouldn't be at all surprised if that were the case here...
The Connection, 12 October 1999
The first thing I should say is that I had been writing this book for 6 months before I myself, it did take me 6 months, stopped and thought ‘Hang on, why is it Harry, why isn’t it Harriet? Why is this a boy?‘ Now, the answer is that Harry came to me so complete, so real that if I had stopped, after 6 months of writing and thought, ‘we’ll change him into a girl, I’m going to be politically correct, I’m going to make a heroine‘, it would have been putting Harry into drag. He was too real to me by then to turn him into a girl. Look here for more interviews...
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zelmia - Nov 12, 2003 4:54 pm (#147 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
I would just like to say that in my opinion it takes a lot more talent and skill to play Chaser than it does to play Seeker and throughout this thread no one seems to have recognised that. The Seeker has only one thing to do and that is fly around looking for one little ball. Yes, that's difficult because of the way the ball itself works; and yes, it's important because of the points.
But this is a TEAM sport. And a Chaser not only has to be able to (A) score goals by throwing the ball through one of the hoops. A Chaser also has to be able to (B) pass well, which means having a constant awareness of where both your team mates and your opponents are; (C) receive passes and create plays, which means getting into a position to do so, clear communication, agility and quickness, and again, awareness of where both team mates and opponents are.
All the while they need to be on the lookout for Bludgers, as does everyone else. Pretty tough position, if you ask me and I think the most underrated of all.
As for why James had the Snitch and not the Quaffle or a Bludger, I think it's pretty obvious that the Snitch is far easier to conceal. I believe in CS - The Rogue Bludger, Wood refers to the balls having been locked in Hooch's office since the last practice. I don't believe he mentions a trunk or any other container for them, but if James had the Marauder's Map, he could easily have gotten in to steal anything he wanted.
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Caput Draconis - Nov 15, 2003 2:08 am (#148 of 252)
Look...at...me...
Edited by Nov 15, 2003 1:09 am
So perhaps just a different kind of skill. I think the important thing with James is not what position he played, but that he played at all - he understands (as it seems only a select few do) that rush Harry gets from playing, and the desire to be on the pitch. I've never picked up on any rivalries between positions in Quiddich (like 'I'm a seeker, you're only a chaser'), for me the distinction has always been between those who play and those who couldn't care less. So no matter what James played, it's yet another way of comparing him to his son.
I'm aware this sounds lame, but having spent an insane amount of hours playing Quiddich World Cup on PS2 you come to realise how important the chasers are in defence as well. Can't rely on bludgers all the time.
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Carina - Nov 15, 2003 11:15 am (#149 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I think it's like any team. While some positions may look more glamourous in the eyes of the spectators, a good member of any strong team knows the importance of each position.
I hear from a number of people that the seeker is the most important position and there's no reason for the Chasers. Those people fail to remember that Ireland won the Cup without catching the snitch.
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Psychedelic Enchantress - Nov 19, 2003 3:20 am (#150 of 252)
Wannabe writer
If there's no reason for the Chasers, why include them? Fancy playing a position that's known to be redundant... Poor them!
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Anastasia Gilbreath - Nov 19, 2003 8:50 pm (#151 of 252)
Gryffindor Class of '91
I agree with Carina. Every member is important. Quidditch wouldn't be Quidditch with just two seekers looking for a snitch. The excitement would be gone if they were just hovering there looking for a snitch all day. It could actually take days for a match to end so that would make it ridiculously boring to sit there and look for a little gold thingy with wings. The rest of the team makes the sport exciting.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 19, 2003 10:24 pm (#152 of 252)
Let it snow!
Would this be a good place to start speculating who next book's Gryffindor Quidditch Captian will be? Thoughts?
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azi - Nov 20, 2003 2:01 pm (#153 of 252)
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Not Harry. I just don't like the idea. I think Gryffindor really need to find a half-decent team first. Especially beaters. Is Katie still going to be at Hogwarts? I always assumed she was in Angelina's year but I'm not sure.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 20, 2003 2:02 pm (#154 of 252)
Let it snow!
She's a year below Angelina....
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timrew - Nov 20, 2003 4:18 pm (#155 of 252)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I know Ron is a relative newcomer to Quidditch, but I think he'd make an ideal captain. His analytical mind (he's good at chess), would be ideal for working out new moves for the team to try.
Also, he seems to live and breath the game, in other words, he has a passion for Quidditch that rivals Oliver Wood's. He'd be a perfect captain.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 20, 2003 7:08 pm (#156 of 252)
Let it snow!
Well, the oldest members are, in order, Katie, Harry, Ron, Ginny and co.(they all came onto the team half way through the season). So, if we're just looking at the oldest members, any of the first three are fair game. However, I think it was mentioned that Cedric was a new Seeker and Captain and Harry didn't recognize him so I'm assuming he was completely new to the Hufflepuff team. If that's the case, we could potentially see a new character as captain, or even an old character with less experience with the game (Ron or Ginny).... I'd vote for Ron, personally. As you said, Tim, the kid's got Quidditch on the brain....
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Carina - Nov 21, 2003 7:27 pm (#157 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I agree with both azi (definitly NOT Harry! It just feels wrong to me) and Tim (Ron would be great and I'm hoping he'll have a chance).
I had always assumed that Katie was the same year as Angelina, Alicia, Fred and George, but Ginny's comments at the end of the year kind of cast some doubt on that (but I noticed that the Lexicon still has Katie in the same class as the others). If she is still around, she's the shoe-in. If not, my vote is for Ron, but I'm afraid it will go to Harry.
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SarcasticGinny - Nov 22, 2003 9:05 pm (#158 of 252)
Chasers are definitely crucial, just look at how the Irish did in the Quidditch World Cup. Obviously Lynch had nothing on Viktor Krum, but a someone (I forget who, Ron maybe?) mentioned, the Irish team's "Troy, Mullet and Moran" (chasers) were so strong that even with a better seeker, Bulgaria could not win the match.
On James, I figured he switched postitions a'la Ginny. Growing up in a pureblood home, he probably had Quidditch know-how from a young age like Malfoy and the Weasleys and knows all the positions.
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5ofclubs - Nov 24, 2003 8:03 am (#159 of 252)
Personally, I think Ron will be captain for three reasons:
(1) Like a few of you said, he's got Quidditch on the brain.
(2) His strategic skills are out of this world, if he can beat a chess set made by Prof. McG.
(3) Rowling is setting up Book VI so that Ron and Hermione will be absent a little more. Think about it. On the train ride to Hogwarts, he went and joined Ginny, Neville, and Luna in their compartment. At the DoM, who was there besides HRH? Ginny, Neville, and Luna. If Ron becomes captain, and Hermione busies herself with N.E.W.T.s (just look at how she behaved over O.W.L.s), we will not be watching the Trio. Instead, we will be watching what I like to call the "Compartment Quartet", based on the train ride to Hogwarts: Harry, Ginny, Neville, and Luna.
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Hermionefan(#1) - Nov 25, 2003 3:08 pm (#160 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Compartment Quartet, I like that.
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Andrew Hunt - Dec 7, 2003 12:37 am (#161 of 252)
MASTER MODERATOR
A thought occurs: How on earth do Quidditch players get muddy? Think about it. Their shoes I can understand, but why is everyone covered in mud after a rainy practice?
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Madame Librarian - Dec 7, 2003 6:54 am (#162 of 252)
Well, despite the fact that we've seen some spectacular falls during the actual matches, maybe during practice there are minor tumbles, sloppy landings when they gather for huddles (scrums?), and the like. Remember, wizards have some magical protection that keeps them from being seriously injured in falls, so during practice they try out more daring moves with results that end in being dumped off their brooms.
Ciao. Barb
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Andrew Hunt - Dec 7, 2003 9:00 am (#163 of 252)
MASTER MODERATOR
Where does it say they have protection against falls? The only part I can think of is when DD did some sort of spell with his wand and Harry slowed down before he hit the ground. But if DD hadn't done that Harry would have hit the ground with as much force as a muggle, right?
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Madame Librarian - Dec 7, 2003 9:10 am (#164 of 252)
We've (the Forum Folk) extrapolated from a few incidents noted in the books. One involving Neville. Remember he said they thought he was a squib because he exhibited absolutely no magical ability at all. When his uncle (Algie?) shoved him off the roof (PS/SS, I think) and he bounced up again with no injury, his family determined that he must be a wizard, albeit a weak one. Again with poor Neville, the first flying lesson with Mme. Hooch, he falls from the high tower and suffers only a broken wrist. Think of the numerous occasions that Harry in particular is zapped or knocked over in what would normally do in a muggle. Even Dobby's magic "shove" of Lucius that sends him tumbling down the stairs only wounds his pride. Yes, there are instances where the kids are hurt, but these situations are often due to powerful magic along with the force of gravity.
The protection is not 100%, but probably quite enough to allow for muddied up wizards due to ungraceful splash-downs and broom tumbles. Add in the factor of dreadful weather on a couple of instances, and you have quidditch players in need of the showers.
Ciao. Barb
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Nimbus Amongus - Dec 11, 2003 10:47 am (#165 of 252)
Regarding the message asking the question, 'how do the players get muddy?' by AndrewHunt:
Didn't have time to skim over all the following posts to see what other responses you received, but one thing I thought of was that the quaffle is going to get dropped during games and practices (though JKR hasn't discussed much of this other than Ron's fumbles during practices). With the quaffle getting dropped and muddy, then passed around, the mud is bound to get spread especially among the chasers. Also, as posted, clumsy dismounting or spectacular dives will contibute to dirty laundry, of course. By the way, is there a massive 'scourgify' spell for all the Hogwarts laundry then?
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Nimbus Amongus - Dec 11, 2003 11:12 am (#166 of 252)
Resp. to 5ofclubs,
Great point about Ron. I was trepidatious about Ron being the new Captain because he was basically a 'rookie' 5th year. It seemed that it would be a bit too quick to promote him so quickly, especially with Harry still on the team. If I were McGinnigal, and I had the choice of Harry or Ron as Captain, I would choose Harry. But I think McG is like-minded with DD. Dumbledore didn't choose Harry over Ron for the male Gryf Prefect either, because he knew he had other things to worry about. The same may be true with choosing a new Captain. Though Harry may be a better player, Ron certainly has had a life-time more experience with Quidditch and knows the game. As you brought up, he is an outstanding chess player and Quidditch is all about strategy. Now that he is getting his confidence, he'll be able to apply his skills effectively.
Maybe the mirror of Erised has some truth to it for him.
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zelmia - Dec 14, 2003 8:22 pm (#167 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Ron's personal performance doesn't necessarily prevent him from being a good Captain (thinking back to his spectacular Chess performances), although it is VERY unusual for someone to be Captain who is not also a good player.
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Choices - Dec 16, 2003 6:32 pm (#168 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I don't think it will be Harry because Harry has bigger fish to fry than being Quidditch captain. I definitely like the idea of Ron being captain - it will bring him wonderful recognition (I'm assuming he will be good) and make him more "equal" with Harry.
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S.E. Jones - Dec 19, 2003 11:39 pm (#169 of 252)
Let it snow!
It's not that Ron is a bad player, though, he just lacks confidence. Someone, Harry I think, made a comment about Ron being able to guard the goals just fine as long as he didn't think anyone was watching and then later, when he has a bit more confidence and doesn't feel quite so much pressure, he does a spectactular job as Keeper, helping Gryffindor to win their last match and the Cup. Maybe that and then becoming Captain will help Ron to continue to develop his confidence and grow even more as a character and out from under his brothers' (and best-friend's) shadows....
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Dec 20, 2003 4:15 pm (#170 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
Yeah, I like that idea. It would be nice to see Ron becoming as known around the school as Harry and Hermione. The only things he's known for are his many brothers, his best friend, and his flying car...
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I Am Used Vlad - Dec 20, 2003 8:43 pm (#171 of 252)
I Am Almighty!
I think Ron will do fine now that Fred And George are gone. They certainly didn't help him build confidence in himself. Without their ridicule, and with Harry and Ginny's support, Ron should mature into an excellent Quidditch player.
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Brandon Christopher - Dec 31, 2003 6:01 pm (#172 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Yeah maybe if he becomes good at something and is well known for it then he'll stop being a royal prat. He doesn't deserve the captainship though, what did he do all last year? He played well in only one game, Ginny played better than him and she didn't even play as long. Harry will be the most experienced player on the team and I would love to see if Ron throws another hissy fit if Harry is the captain instead of him. Ron needs to be able to gain his own confidence without everything he wants being handed to him. It is obvious that in the last book he was getting more of the things that he wanted (prefect, broomstick, keeper) and I didn't notice a real big confidence boost. We don't want him to become like Malfoy and just expect everything that he wants without earning it. Getting everything you want doesn't boost confidence, Ron needs to do that on his own.I don't think that he would be able to handle the captaincy, he obviously wasn't able to handle the duty of being a prefect. He hasn't earned anything yet so I don't think he should be the captain.
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virgoddess1313 - Jan 1, 2004 9:37 am (#173 of 252)
I can't honestly say I'd like to see Ron as captain, but all the same, I don't really want to se Harry in the position, either. In fact, I'm not entirely sure exactly who I would like to see take over the position. I do agree, however Ron will improve somewhat now that Fred and George are gone.
I also think that Ginny will become quite the player... it's time we see her succeed at something like Quidditch.
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Roybb95 - Jan 1, 2004 11:07 am (#174 of 252)
In fact, who but Harry could be the new captin? Not Ginny, she doesn't have enough expirience as Quidditch player. Ron? I think Brandon Christopher gave us all the good reasons why Ron can't be the captin.
We know that since Fred and George left Hogwarts, those two knew players that joined the teem instead of them will stay, but we know that they aren't such good players...
The only one left to be the captin is Harry...
Who decides who the captin will be anyway? Perhaps the captin is just the one that has more experience (that would be Harry again)? Or maybe the most talented one (most likley Harry)?
Whoever makes the decision, he wouldn't want to make Harry upset again, I mean, after he didn't get to be a prefect... And we know how angry he was about that...
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Choices - Jan 1, 2004 11:27 am (#175 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I just don't see Harry being the Captain - his role in these books is to go after and defeat Voldemort and that will probably leave him very little time to spend on Quidditch. Look how much time Oliver Wood spent plotting how to win and planning strategy - it was very time consuming. Harry will play, but I don't think he has the time to spend on being in charge of the team.....he has bigger fish to fry! Ron is the logical one, the stratagist (excellent Chess player) who can see what moves need to be made to win the game. I think with the twins gone, Ron is going to hit his stride and be a very good player and Captain. This will allow Ron to develope self esteem and grow as a character - he will be empowered by his new position of authority (over the team) and this will give him greater confidence. Harry will be free to persue his real purpose in life - defeating Voldemort.
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freshwater - Jan 1, 2004 12:18 pm (#176 of 252)
Connections, speculation, discussion: the best part of HP reading! Check out the on-going HP Lex Forum series re-read! Currently reading GoF...
Brandon C.: I can't help asking (attempted humor warning)...are you tall, lanky, red-haired with ears that turn red when you're angry and friends named Harry and Hermione? Or, maybe you're the youngest of 5 brothers? Can't help asking as I know that we seem to find it hardest to put up with the flaws in other people who are just like ourselves! ;-)
You've been pretty tough on Ron, I think! I don't disagree with everything, but I do feel Ron has earned his position --and perhaps the captaincy--on the Quidditch team: remember all the humiliation and ridicule he endured? Remember how he repeatedly wanted to quit but stuck it out instead? I think the loyalty and endurance he's demonstrated --and perhaps his strategic chess skills-- will be far more important to his character and to the plot than his skills -- or lack thereof--as a keeper.
I know! You're a hockey or soccer goalie! LOL Just kidding!!!!!
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 1, 2004 4:31 pm (#177 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Actually Freshwater I am an only child and would most definitely not be described as red-headed, tall, and lanky. And I may have some similarities to Ron but it is not because of this that I dislike him. Especially considering that before book four he was favorite character. He just has a horrible attitude,as bad or even worse than Harry's in OotP. They both have bad tempers just in different ways.
I think that the only valid point that people have made so far as to why Harry shouldn't be captain is the fact that he will be to preoccupied with Voldy. Otherwise he is the most obvious choice. Unless Rowling decides to do the same thing that she did with prefects then we will most definitely see Harry as captain. If Harry is made captain then I think he will step down and give the captainship to Ron, because he knows that Ron will be a better fit. But Harry has earned it for now, unlike Ron. The simple fact that Ron tried to quit the team every time he screwed up tells us that he doesn't have the right attitude.
If Harry and Ron had the exact same experience then I would imediately say that Ron should be captain. He has shown that he can play well, he is a great strategist, and that when he wants to he can be a team player. Harry isn't as great a strategist, but he always plays well, and is always a team player. But four years of competitive team interaction has to count for something here. Ron hasn't worked as hard for the team as Harry has yet, neither has he had the same experience of working with a team towards a mutual goal.
Personally if Rowling makes Ron the new captain then I think that Harry has every right to get very mad. He's earned it, Ron hasn't, it's as simple as that. But because Harry has so much more class than Ron even if he doesn't get the captaincy he won't show that he is angry. He won't be like Ron and simply walk away from his friends.
P.S. Freshwater, actually I was a goalie in soccer and I caught for baseball. And just like Ron when I started out at goalie I sucked at first but after about a year I was really good. But that's pretty much how far our similarities go.
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Choices - Jan 1, 2004 4:55 pm (#178 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I've never thought of Harry as a "team player" simply because the seeker is pretty much an independant. He doesn't really interact with the other team members, isn't very dependant on them for anything - he flies around observing the action, catches the golden snitch and the game is over. The seeker is a pretty solitary player.
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 1, 2004 5:29 pm (#179 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Sorry Choices, I didn't explain myself well. What I meant is that Harry works better with the whole team. He may not interact with them as much but he gets along better with them than Ron. Maybe this is just because he is more used to being on a team but you notice how the other players come to him a lot.It seems like there are quite a few times when even though Harry and Ron are right by eachother Angelina addresses Harry first or only Harry. I think I remeber her coming to Harry to tell him to tell Ron things every once in awhile. The rest of the team respect him as a player and a person, he's someone they look up to. Just one more reason why he should be the captain.
I guess after that explanation I realize he's not exactly a "team player," more of a leader. Which is why I 've always thought he should be captain instead of Ron; Ron has never struck me as a strong leader.
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virgoddess1313 - Jan 1, 2004 8:37 pm (#180 of 252)
I think given the chance, Ron could become a fine leader. I don't really see Harry as such a great leader, he's too caught up in the whole idea that he is a "marked man". He's a fine player and all, but that kind of stress, I'm sure, would prove to be a distraction. I agree that he probably would be the bet person for the job, technically, but I doubt that he would be the smartest choice for the teams success.
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Julia. - Jan 1, 2004 11:06 pm (#181 of 252)
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I can't see Harry as team Captain, although contrary to what Choices said, I think that Harry is an outstanding team player, not only on the pitch, but off as well. He cares deeply for his friends, and will do what ever he has to do to protect them (Sirius, Hermionie in CoS, etc.) Also, on the pitch in the match against Slytherin in PoA he flies directly into a line of Slytherins to break them up to let Angelina have a clear shot at scoring.
As for who will become captain, my money is on either Katie Bell or Ron. Katie is the oldest player on the team, and from what I can tell is a pretty good chaser. Ron is a newbie, but he's an outstanding stratigist and leader. My only concern is if he will have time--he'll be carying a full course load, and is a prefect (unless JKR changes things around and makes Harry or someone else prefect...we don't know how the system works, but that's a discussion for another thread...)
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 1, 2004 11:39 pm (#182 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Um, no offense Julia but I have never seen anything to indicate that Ron is an "outstanding leader." If you could give an example of a time when he showed thst particular trait then I would probably consider Ron a little more for the captaincy position.
But your post reminded me of something; I had completely forgotten that Katie would still be on the team. And although she does sound like a superb chaser I would still put my money on Harry as team captain. Again, I've never seen any evidence that Katie would be a good leader. Harry has already proven that he is an excellent leader; and if you've all forgotten: Ron followed him without question when it came to the D.A. I think that Ron knows that Harry is a natural leader and it's one more thing that irks him.
When it comes to natural leadership I don't think that any of the main characters (except Dumbledore) have any more ability in this area. Harry is far and away the best leader of the trio which gives him a little boost when it comes to the captaincy.
Also, Dumbledore may be feeling more than guilty about the whole situation in OotP so he might try to make it up to Harry. He doesn't seem to be one for giving material things as motivation so instead he might make Harry the captain instead. This might also help cleanse his spirits considering he already felt bad about not letting Harry be a prefect. (I don't think this argument holds much water but it is something that should be factored in.)
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Julia. - Jan 2, 2004 10:19 am (#183 of 252)
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Sorry Brandon. When I said that Ron was an outstanding leader I was thinking of the incident when Hermione was pitching the idea for the DA for the first time, in the Gryffindor common room. However, upon sleeping several hours, and rereading the scene, it occurred to me that 'outstanding leader' was not quite the term I was looking for. Hermione was doing the leading there, and Ron only got involved when he thought Harry wasn't going to pitch a fit. Actually, on second thought, I'm trying to scan my brain to find instances of Ron leading anything and I can't really come up with any. So, I would like to thank you for talking some sense into me. Much appericiated. But, he must have some leadership qualities, or he wouldn't have been made prefect. He hasn't shown any so far, but maybe they'll come out in the future. I'm going to stop now before this has to get moved to a Ron thread. 
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Madame Librarian - Jan 2, 2004 10:30 am (#184 of 252)
Ron does sort of take charge of things in the oversized chess game in PS/SS. Not only does he strategize their moves to the best advantage, but he really makes a strong stand about who's got to do what. He's seems very clear and brave then. Both Harry and Hermione attempt to dissuade him from his plan, but he stands firm. I admit that I can't think of another instance right now of him taking total command like that, though he does step up to the plate very often in the early books when they confront danger (the troll, driving the Anglia, confronting Lockhart, defending Hermione's honor) not as a leader, per se, but as a true blue friend and a brave one (even though he whines a bit).
This discussion always drifts into a "Ron" mode, so if we can't keep it clearly on-topic as to why Ron should or shouldn't be Quidditch captain, and who else is eligible, I suppose we should shift over the Ron thread. We seem to make a big loop around to this problem, and I'm a guilty party here.
Ciao. Barb
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Choices - Jan 2, 2004 10:54 am (#185 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I was thinking about the chess match too Madame. That is the only instance I can think of when Ron clearly takes the lead. I guess I want to see Ron get his chance in the spotlight and I think being Quidditch captain would do a lot for his self esteem. He probably wouldn't be that good right off, but given the opportunity, I think he would grow into the job and be good. It's not that I don't think Harry would be a good captain, he would be very good, but he just has too many other important things to think about - his cup runneth over, so to speak. Also, it is probably McGonagall who would be mainly responsible (perhaps along with the former captain) for choosing a new captain for her house team, not Dumbledore.
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timrew - Jan 2, 2004 11:07 am (#186 of 252)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
For all Ron's poor qualities, I think he has what it takes to be Quidditch Captain. He is a strategist (see Chess game in PS/SS), and he lives and breathes Quidditch.
All he has been lacking so far is confidence, probably due to the constant sniping of Fred and George. But now, with their departure, he might come into his own.
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 2, 2004 11:41 am (#187 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Ron could quite possibly be the best choice for captain; but he is not the "fair choice." I just don't think it would be fair to Harry if Ron was made captain over him and Katie.
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SJ Rand - Jan 2, 2004 12:14 pm (#188 of 252)
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Nor do I, not even the best one. Katie is the obvious choice. Ron only played one year, and Harry has only had to be concerned with one thing, catching the snitch. Neither of those two would have an experienced "feel" for team dynamics, while Katie would.
Also, while a Keeper may make a good captain since he has to have a constant eye for everything happening on the pitch, a seeker is a bad choice because he has to be watching for the snitch, not looking at how his team is doing at staying in their formations.
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Hem Hem - Jan 2, 2004 3:43 pm (#189 of 252)
We may not have seen any indications that Katie has leadership qualities, but she is the only viable option that I can see. I don't think Harry would volunteer to be a Quidditch captain in his right mind...even though he does enjoy playing, he doesn't let quidditch take over his life, and that isn't a direction in which he seems to be leaning. He is much too busy with the DA (assuming it remains next year), with his responsibilities, to become an Oliver Wood incarnate.
Ron, on the other hand, needs to feel responsible for something in life. He has the dedication, the motivation, and the skills to run the team. Without the twins to goad him and distract him, he will soon have the confidence to prove it. The only thing he lacks at this point is experience, and for that, he can let Katie be captain for a year before taking the job from her.
Beyond Ron, Harry, and Katie, every other team member is new. Ginny, Kirke, Sloper, and one unnamed chaser are the remaining members. Perhaps Ginny would like to be captian in a later year, but I can't imagine she'd be captain in her sixth year when Ron is a seventh year.
Now, are we fully sure that Katie is coming back next year? I always thought it was true, but the Lexicon says that she graduated at the end of OotP.
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Detail Seeker - Jan 2, 2004 3:46 pm (#190 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
To consider Ron´s specific abilities as a Quidditch leader and strategist, we have not actually seen him act, as Harry never saw him act. To judge his performance as a prefect, we hear some incidents, when he fulfils his duties on students other than his brothers. More often we hear, that he is reluctant to act against Fred and George, feeling uneasy because of the family relation and his knowledge, that both regard him as a match. So, we cannot talk of a bad performance as a prefect in the whole.
Besides of these points, I agree, that Harry might be a better choice as a team leader. The reason, alas, is not that I know he would make a better performance in arranging training or in keeping the group together, but in that he needs some group responsibility as not to withdraw into himself and just brood over his own burden all the time. With the main contents of the prophecy known to him now, we have seen signs of him wanting to separate himself. The captainship would force him into a group. With the questionable future of DA courses, this might be a reason for Prof. McGonagal selecting him. Ron being prefect, Harry captain and both in the team, I do not see, that Ron will have too much of a grudge against Harry´s position and both will discuss tactics and so co-lead the team.
By the way, what, if the Ministry does not lift the ban on Harry ?
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 2, 2004 5:33 pm (#191 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Ahh yes I had completely forgotten about that ban. I think that Harry will most likely be allowed to play but like everything else in the Harry Potter world nothing is certain.
P.S. sorry if my earlier post seemed like I was only bashing Ron. Sometimes I get a little heated in my arguments. If I offended anyone I offer my sincerest apology!
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Leviosa - Jan 3, 2004 3:16 am (#192 of 252)
Hm...Some people say that Katie hasn't shown any leading qualities so far. But has Angelina shown leader skills before becoming captain? I can't remember at the moment. Can someone maybe enlighten me?
I don't see any reasons why Harry should still be kept from playing Quidditch, now with Dumbledore and Fudge working together against Voldemort.
bye Susi
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Julia. - Jan 3, 2004 4:55 pm (#193 of 252)
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Detail Seeker, Harry's ban on playing quidditch came from Unbridge, not the MoM. So now that the horrible toad has been removed from Hogwarts (with Peeves hitting her with McGonnagal's walking stick *grins happily*), the ban should be lifted and Harry should be clear to play quidditch as long as his heart contents (or things like Voldemort get in the way.)
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Hem Hem - Jan 3, 2004 7:01 pm (#194 of 252)
I know I'm answering my own question from yesterday, but if anybody else was wondering where the refernce is for Katie staying around next year, I found it. It can be found where Ginny gives Harry Easter eggs in the library, and she says that she's going to be a chaser next year..."because Alicia and Angelina will need to be replaced next year." Although this doesn't directly say anything about what year Katie's in, it implies that she will be staying.
Even though the Lexicon said she's the same age as Angelina, I don't think this was based on any direct evidence, only conjecture. And at this point, I think it's safe to conjecture that she'll be staying.
Dunno if anybody felt compelled to hear all of this...hope it was helpful to somebody!
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Carina - Jan 3, 2004 11:20 pm (#195 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I think the conjecture came from the fact that Katie was described in the first book as beeing only a reserve the previous year. Since first years don't usually play on the team, many people felt that meant she was a third year during that book (putting her in the same year as Fred, George, Angelina and Alicia).
Now, it never has stated that first years can't be on the reserve team, so I guess only JKR knows for sure what year Katie is in right now.
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Detail Seeker - Jan 4, 2004 11:47 am (#196 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
Or she will have to pull another Marcus Flint for her.
Julia, when umbridge banned Harry and the twins, from playing Quidditch, she did it as a mimistry official, as High Inquisitor. so, it is a Ministry decree that can only be lifted by the Ministry itself. They have nearly the status of the "Educational Decrees".
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Julia. - Jan 4, 2004 11:52 am (#197 of 252)
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I didn't think of that Detail Seeker. *blushes furiously* So you're right, the Ministry would have to remove the ban, and I can't see any reason for them not to.
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mischa fan - Jan 4, 2004 2:59 pm (#198 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Detail Seeker, I am sure that Dumbledore will have all of the Educational Decrees removed by Fudge, and have himself once again 100% in charge.
We are forgetting one possibility by the whole Katie situation, Ginny may have just forgotten that Katie would be leaving as well.
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Matt Allair - Jan 4, 2004 3:34 pm (#199 of 252)
'Mischief Managed.......Not! (Nox)'
In fact if I recall; Dumbledore I believe insists that everything is returned back to normal with Hogwarts.
On page 818 (American Edition) of OOP, around the last paragraph;
His voice faltered as Dumbledore surveyed him magisterially over his half-moon spectacles.
"You will give the order to remove Deloris Umbridge from Hogwarts," said Dumbledore. "You will tell your Aurors to stop searching for my Care of Magical Creatures teacher so that he can return to work. "I will give you..." Dumbledore pulled a watch with twelve hands from his pocket and surveyed it, "Half an hour of my time tonight, in which I think we shall be more than able to cover the important points of what has happened here. After that, I shall need to return to my school. If you need more help from me you are, of course, more than welcomed to contact me at Hogwarts. Letters address to the headmaster will find me."
I'd say that's a pretty definitive idea that things will be returning to normal. All Educational Decrees will be reversed and anything thing Umbridge did will be Null and Void. Not to worry, the ban of Harry playing Quidditch will be lifted. That foolish git Malfroy will have a run for his money with Harry and Ron in Quidditch in year six. Will see Malfroy miserable with his team losing with a vengeance, at least that's my humble wish, curse with Draco.
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Detail Seeker - Jan 5, 2004 5:19 am (#200 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
I will believe that, when I read it in the book.
And while Umbridge was removed, the institution of a High Inquisitor may have not be removed. Dumbledore did not explicitly ask for that, so it might not have been done. We will see...
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I agree with Carina. Every member is important. Quidditch wouldn't be Quidditch with just two seekers looking for a snitch. The excitement would be gone if they were just hovering there looking for a snitch all day. It could actually take days for a match to end so that would make it ridiculously boring to sit there and look for a little gold thingy with wings. The rest of the team makes the sport exciting.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 19, 2003 10:24 pm (#152 of 252)
Let it snow!
Would this be a good place to start speculating who next book's Gryffindor Quidditch Captian will be? Thoughts?
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azi - Nov 20, 2003 2:01 pm (#153 of 252)
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Not Harry. I just don't like the idea. I think Gryffindor really need to find a half-decent team first. Especially beaters. Is Katie still going to be at Hogwarts? I always assumed she was in Angelina's year but I'm not sure.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 20, 2003 2:02 pm (#154 of 252)
Let it snow!
She's a year below Angelina....
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timrew - Nov 20, 2003 4:18 pm (#155 of 252)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
I know Ron is a relative newcomer to Quidditch, but I think he'd make an ideal captain. His analytical mind (he's good at chess), would be ideal for working out new moves for the team to try.
Also, he seems to live and breath the game, in other words, he has a passion for Quidditch that rivals Oliver Wood's. He'd be a perfect captain.
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S.E. Jones - Nov 20, 2003 7:08 pm (#156 of 252)
Let it snow!
Well, the oldest members are, in order, Katie, Harry, Ron, Ginny and co.(they all came onto the team half way through the season). So, if we're just looking at the oldest members, any of the first three are fair game. However, I think it was mentioned that Cedric was a new Seeker and Captain and Harry didn't recognize him so I'm assuming he was completely new to the Hufflepuff team. If that's the case, we could potentially see a new character as captain, or even an old character with less experience with the game (Ron or Ginny).... I'd vote for Ron, personally. As you said, Tim, the kid's got Quidditch on the brain....
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Carina - Nov 21, 2003 7:27 pm (#157 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I agree with both azi (definitly NOT Harry! It just feels wrong to me) and Tim (Ron would be great and I'm hoping he'll have a chance).
I had always assumed that Katie was the same year as Angelina, Alicia, Fred and George, but Ginny's comments at the end of the year kind of cast some doubt on that (but I noticed that the Lexicon still has Katie in the same class as the others). If she is still around, she's the shoe-in. If not, my vote is for Ron, but I'm afraid it will go to Harry.
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SarcasticGinny - Nov 22, 2003 9:05 pm (#158 of 252)
Chasers are definitely crucial, just look at how the Irish did in the Quidditch World Cup. Obviously Lynch had nothing on Viktor Krum, but a someone (I forget who, Ron maybe?) mentioned, the Irish team's "Troy, Mullet and Moran" (chasers) were so strong that even with a better seeker, Bulgaria could not win the match.
On James, I figured he switched postitions a'la Ginny. Growing up in a pureblood home, he probably had Quidditch know-how from a young age like Malfoy and the Weasleys and knows all the positions.
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5ofclubs - Nov 24, 2003 8:03 am (#159 of 252)
Personally, I think Ron will be captain for three reasons:
(1) Like a few of you said, he's got Quidditch on the brain.
(2) His strategic skills are out of this world, if he can beat a chess set made by Prof. McG.
(3) Rowling is setting up Book VI so that Ron and Hermione will be absent a little more. Think about it. On the train ride to Hogwarts, he went and joined Ginny, Neville, and Luna in their compartment. At the DoM, who was there besides HRH? Ginny, Neville, and Luna. If Ron becomes captain, and Hermione busies herself with N.E.W.T.s (just look at how she behaved over O.W.L.s), we will not be watching the Trio. Instead, we will be watching what I like to call the "Compartment Quartet", based on the train ride to Hogwarts: Harry, Ginny, Neville, and Luna.
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Hermionefan(#1) - Nov 25, 2003 3:08 pm (#160 of 252)
missing my picture!!!!! *cry cry cry*
Compartment Quartet, I like that.
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Andrew Hunt - Dec 7, 2003 12:37 am (#161 of 252)
MASTER MODERATOR
A thought occurs: How on earth do Quidditch players get muddy? Think about it. Their shoes I can understand, but why is everyone covered in mud after a rainy practice?
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Madame Librarian - Dec 7, 2003 6:54 am (#162 of 252)
Well, despite the fact that we've seen some spectacular falls during the actual matches, maybe during practice there are minor tumbles, sloppy landings when they gather for huddles (scrums?), and the like. Remember, wizards have some magical protection that keeps them from being seriously injured in falls, so during practice they try out more daring moves with results that end in being dumped off their brooms.
Ciao. Barb
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Andrew Hunt - Dec 7, 2003 9:00 am (#163 of 252)
MASTER MODERATOR
Where does it say they have protection against falls? The only part I can think of is when DD did some sort of spell with his wand and Harry slowed down before he hit the ground. But if DD hadn't done that Harry would have hit the ground with as much force as a muggle, right?
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Madame Librarian - Dec 7, 2003 9:10 am (#164 of 252)
We've (the Forum Folk) extrapolated from a few incidents noted in the books. One involving Neville. Remember he said they thought he was a squib because he exhibited absolutely no magical ability at all. When his uncle (Algie?) shoved him off the roof (PS/SS, I think) and he bounced up again with no injury, his family determined that he must be a wizard, albeit a weak one. Again with poor Neville, the first flying lesson with Mme. Hooch, he falls from the high tower and suffers only a broken wrist. Think of the numerous occasions that Harry in particular is zapped or knocked over in what would normally do in a muggle. Even Dobby's magic "shove" of Lucius that sends him tumbling down the stairs only wounds his pride. Yes, there are instances where the kids are hurt, but these situations are often due to powerful magic along with the force of gravity.
The protection is not 100%, but probably quite enough to allow for muddied up wizards due to ungraceful splash-downs and broom tumbles. Add in the factor of dreadful weather on a couple of instances, and you have quidditch players in need of the showers.
Ciao. Barb
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Nimbus Amongus - Dec 11, 2003 10:47 am (#165 of 252)
Regarding the message asking the question, 'how do the players get muddy?' by AndrewHunt:
Didn't have time to skim over all the following posts to see what other responses you received, but one thing I thought of was that the quaffle is going to get dropped during games and practices (though JKR hasn't discussed much of this other than Ron's fumbles during practices). With the quaffle getting dropped and muddy, then passed around, the mud is bound to get spread especially among the chasers. Also, as posted, clumsy dismounting or spectacular dives will contibute to dirty laundry, of course. By the way, is there a massive 'scourgify' spell for all the Hogwarts laundry then?
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Nimbus Amongus - Dec 11, 2003 11:12 am (#166 of 252)
Resp. to 5ofclubs,
Great point about Ron. I was trepidatious about Ron being the new Captain because he was basically a 'rookie' 5th year. It seemed that it would be a bit too quick to promote him so quickly, especially with Harry still on the team. If I were McGinnigal, and I had the choice of Harry or Ron as Captain, I would choose Harry. But I think McG is like-minded with DD. Dumbledore didn't choose Harry over Ron for the male Gryf Prefect either, because he knew he had other things to worry about. The same may be true with choosing a new Captain. Though Harry may be a better player, Ron certainly has had a life-time more experience with Quidditch and knows the game. As you brought up, he is an outstanding chess player and Quidditch is all about strategy. Now that he is getting his confidence, he'll be able to apply his skills effectively.
Maybe the mirror of Erised has some truth to it for him.
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zelmia - Dec 14, 2003 8:22 pm (#167 of 252)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Ron's personal performance doesn't necessarily prevent him from being a good Captain (thinking back to his spectacular Chess performances), although it is VERY unusual for someone to be Captain who is not also a good player.
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Choices - Dec 16, 2003 6:32 pm (#168 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I don't think it will be Harry because Harry has bigger fish to fry than being Quidditch captain. I definitely like the idea of Ron being captain - it will bring him wonderful recognition (I'm assuming he will be good) and make him more "equal" with Harry.
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S.E. Jones - Dec 19, 2003 11:39 pm (#169 of 252)
Let it snow!
It's not that Ron is a bad player, though, he just lacks confidence. Someone, Harry I think, made a comment about Ron being able to guard the goals just fine as long as he didn't think anyone was watching and then later, when he has a bit more confidence and doesn't feel quite so much pressure, he does a spectactular job as Keeper, helping Gryffindor to win their last match and the Cup. Maybe that and then becoming Captain will help Ron to continue to develop his confidence and grow even more as a character and out from under his brothers' (and best-friend's) shadows....
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!!!!!LauraAngel - Dec 20, 2003 4:15 pm (#170 of 252)
"If you attempt to — er — 'bring me in' by force, I will have to hurt you." - Albus Dumbledore
Yeah, I like that idea. It would be nice to see Ron becoming as known around the school as Harry and Hermione. The only things he's known for are his many brothers, his best friend, and his flying car...
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I Am Used Vlad - Dec 20, 2003 8:43 pm (#171 of 252)
I Am Almighty!
I think Ron will do fine now that Fred And George are gone. They certainly didn't help him build confidence in himself. Without their ridicule, and with Harry and Ginny's support, Ron should mature into an excellent Quidditch player.
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Brandon Christopher - Dec 31, 2003 6:01 pm (#172 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Yeah maybe if he becomes good at something and is well known for it then he'll stop being a royal prat. He doesn't deserve the captainship though, what did he do all last year? He played well in only one game, Ginny played better than him and she didn't even play as long. Harry will be the most experienced player on the team and I would love to see if Ron throws another hissy fit if Harry is the captain instead of him. Ron needs to be able to gain his own confidence without everything he wants being handed to him. It is obvious that in the last book he was getting more of the things that he wanted (prefect, broomstick, keeper) and I didn't notice a real big confidence boost. We don't want him to become like Malfoy and just expect everything that he wants without earning it. Getting everything you want doesn't boost confidence, Ron needs to do that on his own.I don't think that he would be able to handle the captaincy, he obviously wasn't able to handle the duty of being a prefect. He hasn't earned anything yet so I don't think he should be the captain.
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virgoddess1313 - Jan 1, 2004 9:37 am (#173 of 252)
I can't honestly say I'd like to see Ron as captain, but all the same, I don't really want to se Harry in the position, either. In fact, I'm not entirely sure exactly who I would like to see take over the position. I do agree, however Ron will improve somewhat now that Fred and George are gone.
I also think that Ginny will become quite the player... it's time we see her succeed at something like Quidditch.
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Roybb95 - Jan 1, 2004 11:07 am (#174 of 252)
In fact, who but Harry could be the new captin? Not Ginny, she doesn't have enough expirience as Quidditch player. Ron? I think Brandon Christopher gave us all the good reasons why Ron can't be the captin.
We know that since Fred and George left Hogwarts, those two knew players that joined the teem instead of them will stay, but we know that they aren't such good players...
The only one left to be the captin is Harry...
Who decides who the captin will be anyway? Perhaps the captin is just the one that has more experience (that would be Harry again)? Or maybe the most talented one (most likley Harry)?
Whoever makes the decision, he wouldn't want to make Harry upset again, I mean, after he didn't get to be a prefect... And we know how angry he was about that...
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Choices - Jan 1, 2004 11:27 am (#175 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I just don't see Harry being the Captain - his role in these books is to go after and defeat Voldemort and that will probably leave him very little time to spend on Quidditch. Look how much time Oliver Wood spent plotting how to win and planning strategy - it was very time consuming. Harry will play, but I don't think he has the time to spend on being in charge of the team.....he has bigger fish to fry! Ron is the logical one, the stratagist (excellent Chess player) who can see what moves need to be made to win the game. I think with the twins gone, Ron is going to hit his stride and be a very good player and Captain. This will allow Ron to develope self esteem and grow as a character - he will be empowered by his new position of authority (over the team) and this will give him greater confidence. Harry will be free to persue his real purpose in life - defeating Voldemort.
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freshwater - Jan 1, 2004 12:18 pm (#176 of 252)
Connections, speculation, discussion: the best part of HP reading! Check out the on-going HP Lex Forum series re-read! Currently reading GoF...
Brandon C.: I can't help asking (attempted humor warning)...are you tall, lanky, red-haired with ears that turn red when you're angry and friends named Harry and Hermione? Or, maybe you're the youngest of 5 brothers? Can't help asking as I know that we seem to find it hardest to put up with the flaws in other people who are just like ourselves! ;-)
You've been pretty tough on Ron, I think! I don't disagree with everything, but I do feel Ron has earned his position --and perhaps the captaincy--on the Quidditch team: remember all the humiliation and ridicule he endured? Remember how he repeatedly wanted to quit but stuck it out instead? I think the loyalty and endurance he's demonstrated --and perhaps his strategic chess skills-- will be far more important to his character and to the plot than his skills -- or lack thereof--as a keeper.
I know! You're a hockey or soccer goalie! LOL Just kidding!!!!!
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 1, 2004 4:31 pm (#177 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Actually Freshwater I am an only child and would most definitely not be described as red-headed, tall, and lanky. And I may have some similarities to Ron but it is not because of this that I dislike him. Especially considering that before book four he was favorite character. He just has a horrible attitude,as bad or even worse than Harry's in OotP. They both have bad tempers just in different ways.
I think that the only valid point that people have made so far as to why Harry shouldn't be captain is the fact that he will be to preoccupied with Voldy. Otherwise he is the most obvious choice. Unless Rowling decides to do the same thing that she did with prefects then we will most definitely see Harry as captain. If Harry is made captain then I think he will step down and give the captainship to Ron, because he knows that Ron will be a better fit. But Harry has earned it for now, unlike Ron. The simple fact that Ron tried to quit the team every time he screwed up tells us that he doesn't have the right attitude.
If Harry and Ron had the exact same experience then I would imediately say that Ron should be captain. He has shown that he can play well, he is a great strategist, and that when he wants to he can be a team player. Harry isn't as great a strategist, but he always plays well, and is always a team player. But four years of competitive team interaction has to count for something here. Ron hasn't worked as hard for the team as Harry has yet, neither has he had the same experience of working with a team towards a mutual goal.
Personally if Rowling makes Ron the new captain then I think that Harry has every right to get very mad. He's earned it, Ron hasn't, it's as simple as that. But because Harry has so much more class than Ron even if he doesn't get the captaincy he won't show that he is angry. He won't be like Ron and simply walk away from his friends.
P.S. Freshwater, actually I was a goalie in soccer and I caught for baseball. And just like Ron when I started out at goalie I sucked at first but after about a year I was really good. But that's pretty much how far our similarities go.
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Choices - Jan 1, 2004 4:55 pm (#178 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I've never thought of Harry as a "team player" simply because the seeker is pretty much an independant. He doesn't really interact with the other team members, isn't very dependant on them for anything - he flies around observing the action, catches the golden snitch and the game is over. The seeker is a pretty solitary player.
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 1, 2004 5:29 pm (#179 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Sorry Choices, I didn't explain myself well. What I meant is that Harry works better with the whole team. He may not interact with them as much but he gets along better with them than Ron. Maybe this is just because he is more used to being on a team but you notice how the other players come to him a lot.It seems like there are quite a few times when even though Harry and Ron are right by eachother Angelina addresses Harry first or only Harry. I think I remeber her coming to Harry to tell him to tell Ron things every once in awhile. The rest of the team respect him as a player and a person, he's someone they look up to. Just one more reason why he should be the captain.
I guess after that explanation I realize he's not exactly a "team player," more of a leader. Which is why I 've always thought he should be captain instead of Ron; Ron has never struck me as a strong leader.
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virgoddess1313 - Jan 1, 2004 8:37 pm (#180 of 252)
I think given the chance, Ron could become a fine leader. I don't really see Harry as such a great leader, he's too caught up in the whole idea that he is a "marked man". He's a fine player and all, but that kind of stress, I'm sure, would prove to be a distraction. I agree that he probably would be the bet person for the job, technically, but I doubt that he would be the smartest choice for the teams success.
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Julia. - Jan 1, 2004 11:06 pm (#181 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
I can't see Harry as team Captain, although contrary to what Choices said, I think that Harry is an outstanding team player, not only on the pitch, but off as well. He cares deeply for his friends, and will do what ever he has to do to protect them (Sirius, Hermionie in CoS, etc.) Also, on the pitch in the match against Slytherin in PoA he flies directly into a line of Slytherins to break them up to let Angelina have a clear shot at scoring.
As for who will become captain, my money is on either Katie Bell or Ron. Katie is the oldest player on the team, and from what I can tell is a pretty good chaser. Ron is a newbie, but he's an outstanding stratigist and leader. My only concern is if he will have time--he'll be carying a full course load, and is a prefect (unless JKR changes things around and makes Harry or someone else prefect...we don't know how the system works, but that's a discussion for another thread...)
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 1, 2004 11:39 pm (#182 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Um, no offense Julia but I have never seen anything to indicate that Ron is an "outstanding leader." If you could give an example of a time when he showed thst particular trait then I would probably consider Ron a little more for the captaincy position.
But your post reminded me of something; I had completely forgotten that Katie would still be on the team. And although she does sound like a superb chaser I would still put my money on Harry as team captain. Again, I've never seen any evidence that Katie would be a good leader. Harry has already proven that he is an excellent leader; and if you've all forgotten: Ron followed him without question when it came to the D.A. I think that Ron knows that Harry is a natural leader and it's one more thing that irks him.
When it comes to natural leadership I don't think that any of the main characters (except Dumbledore) have any more ability in this area. Harry is far and away the best leader of the trio which gives him a little boost when it comes to the captaincy.
Also, Dumbledore may be feeling more than guilty about the whole situation in OotP so he might try to make it up to Harry. He doesn't seem to be one for giving material things as motivation so instead he might make Harry the captain instead. This might also help cleanse his spirits considering he already felt bad about not letting Harry be a prefect. (I don't think this argument holds much water but it is something that should be factored in.)
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Julia. - Jan 2, 2004 10:19 am (#183 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Sorry Brandon. When I said that Ron was an outstanding leader I was thinking of the incident when Hermione was pitching the idea for the DA for the first time, in the Gryffindor common room. However, upon sleeping several hours, and rereading the scene, it occurred to me that 'outstanding leader' was not quite the term I was looking for. Hermione was doing the leading there, and Ron only got involved when he thought Harry wasn't going to pitch a fit. Actually, on second thought, I'm trying to scan my brain to find instances of Ron leading anything and I can't really come up with any. So, I would like to thank you for talking some sense into me. Much appericiated.
But, he must have some leadership qualities, or he wouldn't have been made prefect. He hasn't shown any so far, but maybe they'll come out in the future. I'm going to stop now before this has to get moved to a Ron thread. ) - - - - - - - - - -
Madame Librarian - Jan 2, 2004 10:30 am (#184 of 252)
Ron does sort of take charge of things in the oversized chess game in PS/SS. Not only does he strategize their moves to the best advantage, but he really makes a strong stand about who's got to do what. He's seems very clear and brave then. Both Harry and Hermione attempt to dissuade him from his plan, but he stands firm. I admit that I can't think of another instance right now of him taking total command like that, though he does step up to the plate very often in the early books when they confront danger (the troll, driving the Anglia, confronting Lockhart, defending Hermione's honor) not as a leader, per se, but as a true blue friend and a brave one (even though he whines a bit).
This discussion always drifts into a "Ron" mode, so if we can't keep it clearly on-topic as to why Ron should or shouldn't be Quidditch captain, and who else is eligible, I suppose we should shift over the Ron thread. We seem to make a big loop around to this problem, and I'm a guilty party here.
Ciao. Barb
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Choices - Jan 2, 2004 10:54 am (#185 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I was thinking about the chess match too Madame. That is the only instance I can think of when Ron clearly takes the lead. I guess I want to see Ron get his chance in the spotlight and I think being Quidditch captain would do a lot for his self esteem. He probably wouldn't be that good right off, but given the opportunity, I think he would grow into the job and be good. It's not that I don't think Harry would be a good captain, he would be very good, but he just has too many other important things to think about - his cup runneth over, so to speak. Also, it is probably McGonagall who would be mainly responsible (perhaps along with the former captain) for choosing a new captain for her house team, not Dumbledore.
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timrew - Jan 2, 2004 11:07 am (#186 of 252)
Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
For all Ron's poor qualities, I think he has what it takes to be Quidditch Captain. He is a strategist (see Chess game in PS/SS), and he lives and breathes Quidditch.
All he has been lacking so far is confidence, probably due to the constant sniping of Fred and George. But now, with their departure, he might come into his own.
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 2, 2004 11:41 am (#187 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Ron could quite possibly be the best choice for captain; but he is not the "fair choice." I just don't think it would be fair to Harry if Ron was made captain over him and Katie.
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SJ Rand - Jan 2, 2004 12:14 pm (#188 of 252)
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Nor do I, not even the best one. Katie is the obvious choice. Ron only played one year, and Harry has only had to be concerned with one thing, catching the snitch. Neither of those two would have an experienced "feel" for team dynamics, while Katie would.
Also, while a Keeper may make a good captain since he has to have a constant eye for everything happening on the pitch, a seeker is a bad choice because he has to be watching for the snitch, not looking at how his team is doing at staying in their formations.
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Hem Hem - Jan 2, 2004 3:43 pm (#189 of 252)
We may not have seen any indications that Katie has leadership qualities, but she is the only viable option that I can see. I don't think Harry would volunteer to be a Quidditch captain in his right mind...even though he does enjoy playing, he doesn't let quidditch take over his life, and that isn't a direction in which he seems to be leaning. He is much too busy with the DA (assuming it remains next year), with his responsibilities, to become an Oliver Wood incarnate.
Ron, on the other hand, needs to feel responsible for something in life. He has the dedication, the motivation, and the skills to run the team. Without the twins to goad him and distract him, he will soon have the confidence to prove it. The only thing he lacks at this point is experience, and for that, he can let Katie be captain for a year before taking the job from her.
Beyond Ron, Harry, and Katie, every other team member is new. Ginny, Kirke, Sloper, and one unnamed chaser are the remaining members. Perhaps Ginny would like to be captian in a later year, but I can't imagine she'd be captain in her sixth year when Ron is a seventh year.
Now, are we fully sure that Katie is coming back next year? I always thought it was true, but the Lexicon says that she graduated at the end of OotP.
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Detail Seeker - Jan 2, 2004 3:46 pm (#190 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
To consider Ron´s specific abilities as a Quidditch leader and strategist, we have not actually seen him act, as Harry never saw him act. To judge his performance as a prefect, we hear some incidents, when he fulfils his duties on students other than his brothers. More often we hear, that he is reluctant to act against Fred and George, feeling uneasy because of the family relation and his knowledge, that both regard him as a match. So, we cannot talk of a bad performance as a prefect in the whole.
Besides of these points, I agree, that Harry might be a better choice as a team leader. The reason, alas, is not that I know he would make a better performance in arranging training or in keeping the group together, but in that he needs some group responsibility as not to withdraw into himself and just brood over his own burden all the time. With the main contents of the prophecy known to him now, we have seen signs of him wanting to separate himself. The captainship would force him into a group. With the questionable future of DA courses, this might be a reason for Prof. McGonagal selecting him. Ron being prefect, Harry captain and both in the team, I do not see, that Ron will have too much of a grudge against Harry´s position and both will discuss tactics and so co-lead the team.
By the way, what, if the Ministry does not lift the ban on Harry ?
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Brandon Christopher - Jan 2, 2004 5:33 pm (#191 of 252)
Watch out for the killer rootbeer!!! (if you had been to the gathering you would know :-p)
Ahh yes I had completely forgotten about that ban. I think that Harry will most likely be allowed to play but like everything else in the Harry Potter world nothing is certain.
P.S. sorry if my earlier post seemed like I was only bashing Ron. Sometimes I get a little heated in my arguments. If I offended anyone I offer my sincerest apology!
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Leviosa - Jan 3, 2004 3:16 am (#192 of 252)
Hm...Some people say that Katie hasn't shown any leading qualities so far. But has Angelina shown leader skills before becoming captain? I can't remember at the moment. Can someone maybe enlighten me?
I don't see any reasons why Harry should still be kept from playing Quidditch, now with Dumbledore and Fudge working together against Voldemort.
bye Susi
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Julia. - Jan 3, 2004 4:55 pm (#193 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Detail Seeker, Harry's ban on playing quidditch came from Unbridge, not the MoM. So now that the horrible toad has been removed from Hogwarts (with Peeves hitting her with McGonnagal's walking stick *grins happily*), the ban should be lifted and Harry should be clear to play quidditch as long as his heart contents (or things like Voldemort get in the way.)
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Hem Hem - Jan 3, 2004 7:01 pm (#194 of 252)
I know I'm answering my own question from yesterday, but if anybody else was wondering where the refernce is for Katie staying around next year, I found it. It can be found where Ginny gives Harry Easter eggs in the library, and she says that she's going to be a chaser next year..."because Alicia and Angelina will need to be replaced next year." Although this doesn't directly say anything about what year Katie's in, it implies that she will be staying.
Even though the Lexicon said she's the same age as Angelina, I don't think this was based on any direct evidence, only conjecture. And at this point, I think it's safe to conjecture that she'll be staying.
Dunno if anybody felt compelled to hear all of this...hope it was helpful to somebody!
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Carina - Jan 3, 2004 11:20 pm (#195 of 252)
and her killer bunny rabbit
I think the conjecture came from the fact that Katie was described in the first book as beeing only a reserve the previous year. Since first years don't usually play on the team, many people felt that meant she was a third year during that book (putting her in the same year as Fred, George, Angelina and Alicia).
Now, it never has stated that first years can't be on the reserve team, so I guess only JKR knows for sure what year Katie is in right now.
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Detail Seeker - Jan 4, 2004 11:47 am (#196 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
Or she will have to pull another Marcus Flint for her.
Julia, when umbridge banned Harry and the twins, from playing Quidditch, she did it as a mimistry official, as High Inquisitor. so, it is a Ministry decree that can only be lifted by the Ministry itself. They have nearly the status of the "Educational Decrees".
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Julia. - Jan 4, 2004 11:52 am (#197 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
I didn't think of that Detail Seeker. *blushes furiously* So you're right, the Ministry would have to remove the ban, and I can't see any reason for them not to.
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mischa fan - Jan 4, 2004 2:59 pm (#198 of 252)
Easy being green, it is not
Detail Seeker, I am sure that Dumbledore will have all of the Educational Decrees removed by Fudge, and have himself once again 100% in charge.
We are forgetting one possibility by the whole Katie situation, Ginny may have just forgotten that Katie would be leaving as well.
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Matt Allair - Jan 4, 2004 3:34 pm (#199 of 252)
'Mischief Managed.......Not! (Nox)'
In fact if I recall; Dumbledore I believe insists that everything is returned back to normal with Hogwarts.
On page 818 (American Edition) of OOP, around the last paragraph;
His voice faltered as Dumbledore surveyed him magisterially over his half-moon spectacles.
"You will give the order to remove Deloris Umbridge from Hogwarts," said Dumbledore. "You will tell your Aurors to stop searching for my Care of Magical Creatures teacher so that he can return to work. "I will give you..." Dumbledore pulled a watch with twelve hands from his pocket and surveyed it, "Half an hour of my time tonight, in which I think we shall be more than able to cover the important points of what has happened here. After that, I shall need to return to my school. If you need more help from me you are, of course, more than welcomed to contact me at Hogwarts. Letters address to the headmaster will find me."
I'd say that's a pretty definitive idea that things will be returning to normal. All Educational Decrees will be reversed and anything thing Umbridge did will be Null and Void. Not to worry, the ban of Harry playing Quidditch will be lifted. That foolish git Malfroy will have a run for his money with Harry and Ron in Quidditch in year six. Will see Malfroy miserable with his team losing with a vengeance, at least that's my humble wish, curse with Draco.
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Detail Seeker - Jan 5, 2004 5:19 am (#200 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
I will believe that, when I read it in the book.
And while Umbridge was removed, the institution of a High Inquisitor may have not be removed. Dumbledore did not explicitly ask for that, so it might not have been done. We will see...
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Icepick - Jan 7, 2004 5:29 pm (#201 of 252)
Hi, I'm new here but I can't believe there is a Quidditch thread here and nobody has mentioned Quidditch World Cup the game. I bought it for my son for Christmas for the PS2. I put him to bed at 9:00 one night and decided to play the game some. I started at 9:15 and was playing against England 5 hours later. Better said I was getting my butt kicked by England 5 hours later.
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Mordicus Egg - Jan 9, 2004 12:27 pm (#202 of 252)
My name is Mordicus. I am a Potterholic.
SJ Rand: I really liked your insight --
"Also, while a Keeper may make a good captain since he has to have a constant eye for everything happening on the pitch, a seeker is a bad choice because he has to be watching for the snitch, not looking at how his team is doing at staying in their formations."
Excellent point. Harry might be an excellent captain, but in order to be a captain --i.e., keep an eye on the team-- his effectiveness as a seeker might be lessened.
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mooncalf - Jan 11, 2004 7:25 pm (#203 of 252)
Cedric Diggory was both captain and seeker, so was Charlie Weasley. have there been others?
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M. Klara - Jan 19, 2004 11:02 pm (#204 of 252)
I got Quidditch World Cup for Christmas from my husband It's kind of fun to be "playing quidditch" yourself and have that tie to Harry's world. I still prefer the books. Anyone else played yet?
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Luanee - Feb 12, 2004 11:25 pm (#205 of 252)
Mooncalf, Harry can be the next! I would love to see him as a captain cum seeker in book 6
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Phoenix - Feb 20, 2004 7:23 am (#206 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
I don't think I want to see Harry become capain. Who's to say Harry himself wants to be captain. He already has so much on his plate and stuggles to keep up with his school work as it is. He doesn't need the extra stress. I think that he will initially be given the role of captain but he wiil pass it to someone more deserving.
Ron for instance. Ron has always been overshadowed by his older brothers at Hogwarts, but now he is the older brother at Hogwarts. This is his time to come into his own, his chance to prove himself. To be given the role of captain will give Ron something he never had before, something that hasn't been handed to him from another member of his family. Something that will make him unique in his own way.
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haymoni - Feb 20, 2004 11:00 am (#207 of 252)
Someone earlier said that Alicia will be captain - I see Ron captain as a 7th year.
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Choices - Feb 23, 2004 11:23 am (#208 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think what Ron saw in the Mirror of Erised will come to pass.
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haymoni - Feb 23, 2004 2:20 pm (#209 of 252)
I don't see Ron as Head Boy.
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alexa - Feb 24, 2004 12:48 am (#210 of 252)
I was hoping that Cho Chang get 'kick' out of the Ravenclaw team in Book 6. Not that I am a Cho's hater, it is just that I imagined it will be very awkward for Harry and Cho to play against each other.
Perhaps Luna will replaced Cho as a seeker, and she may even managed to beat Harry in one particular Quidditch match. I mean Gryffindor can't possibly win every match that Harry played in right? I rather Gryffindor lost one match to Ravenclaw than to Slytherin or Hufflepuff (with that hateful Zacharias Smith?)
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Phoenix - Feb 25, 2004 1:05 pm (#211 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
Yeah!! I like it. Can you imagine Luna on a broomstick playing Quidditch? She'd catch the snitch without even realising and thinking "How did I get fifty feet above the ground" Ha Ha!
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alexa - Feb 25, 2004 7:25 pm (#212 of 252)
Nicola, that's funny! Let's hope she would not wear that 'live eagle' on her head. It might be too heavy for her to fly well.
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Emily - Feb 26, 2004 1:14 pm (#213 of 252)
That would be a good thing, if she were playing against Gryffindor anyway!
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Phoenix - Feb 27, 2004 12:20 pm (#214 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
Edited by Feb 27, 2004 11:22 am
Na. The eagle might distract the other players giving Luna the opportunity to accidently catch the snitch anyway.
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Chemyst - Feb 29, 2004 3:32 pm (#215 of 252)
"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
I just did a forum search for World Cup but could not find anything to answer my question. I hope someone here might know...
How often is the Quidditch World Cup held? Is it every four years akin to the Olympics as I read on another site? That does not make sense because in GF, Mrs. Weasley wrote that it seeing it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity because "Britain hasn't hosted the Cup for thirty years." (That was 30 years exactly, not 'for nearly' 30 or 'for over' 30.) Thirty is not evenly divisible by four, so if it were held on a four-year rotation Britain could have hosted the event 28 or 32 years ago, but not 30. Is there anything about this in Quidditch Through The Ages, (the one book I don't have)?
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I Am Used Vlad - Feb 29, 2004 8:42 pm (#216 of 252)
I Am Almighty!
The World Cup is held every four years, according to Quidditch Through The Ages.
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The giant squid - Mar 1, 2004 1:58 am (#217 of 252)
Sometimes people will round times off, especially when dealing with decades. For instance, you could say that World War II happened "60 years ago" and most people wouldn't call you on it. So if Britain hosted the Quidditch World Cup 32 years ago, one might round it back to 30. In other words, she's actually saying "...in over 30 years..." but the "over" is implied.
This is not to say that that's exactly how JKR meant it, merely that it's a possible explanation. It was also said that another Cup was held every 3 years; maybe Molly was confused as to which one was which?
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Madame Librarian - Mar 1, 2004 6:18 am (#218 of 252)
GoF takes place during the summer of 1994, thirty years before is 1964. Four years after that would have been 1970, the beginning of the reign of terror, which lasted for 11 years. Perhaps, just as the Olympics were halted during the years of WWII (1936 being the last one before war was declared), the World Cup was halted. When it started up again in another country, a new cycle of every 4 years was started rather than trying to count from 1964. Does this make sense?
Ciao. Barb
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Tomoé - Mar 1, 2004 8:17 am (#219 of 252)
Back in business
hum ... I'm not sure, barb. I didn't get the impression that VW1 was a world wide war. We didn't stop Olympics for the Vietnam war, the Iran-Iraq war or the Kosovo war, to name some of those that take place after the WWII. The UK could had chosen not to participate in the Quidditch world cups of the 70s, but I doubt it would have affected the world cup.
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Chemyst - Mar 1, 2004 3:25 pm (#220 of 252)
"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
Thanks to all. Rounding off is a logical explanation. Since the World Cup is played every four years, that opens up the possibility that book 7 could end with a Hogwarts star being named to Britain's team.
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Julia. - Mar 2, 2004 2:09 pm (#221 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Um, Barb, wouldn't four years after 1946 be 1968, two years before the start of the reign of terror?
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Madame Librarian - Mar 2, 2004 3:09 pm (#222 of 252)
Julia, duuh, do I feel stupid! Of course, 64 + 4 = 68 (I think your post has a typo, though. I'm sure you meant 1964, but you typed 1946).
Help, oh, help. Words are my thing, not numbers. No excuse, however. Sorry.
Ciao. Barb
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Julia. - Mar 2, 2004 7:48 pm (#223 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Oh yeah, good catch Barb. 1964, not 1946. Sorry about that.
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S.E. Jones - Mar 19, 2004 6:24 pm (#224 of 252)
Let it snow!
Hey, I know we were at one time discussing who would be the new Gryffindor Quidditch Captain and who would be on and off the team, and I just came across this quote during a read through of JKR's last online Chat and I was curious to know what everyone made of it..?
World Day, March 4, 2004:
bibwhang: Will Ron ever get on the Gryffindor quidditch team?
JK Rowling replies -> Well, he's already there! The question is, whether the new Quidditch Captain will allow him to stay!
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Denise P. - Mar 19, 2004 6:43 pm (#225 of 252)
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I think it means we can rule Harry out as the new Captain since I doubt he would ever consider NOT having Ron on the team, now that he is there.
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Madame Librarian - Mar 20, 2004 7:11 am (#226 of 252)
What if it's Ginny? Talk about sibling rivalry. (joke)
Ciao. Barb
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Detail Seeker - Mar 20, 2004 7:34 am (#227 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
I do not think, it rules out Harry. Some tests about new Quidditch team members will be held in the beginning of the year and a potential new Keeper will be found and about as good as Ron, perhaps a bit better. Now it is for the captain to decide: Ron or the fresh one. If Harry is the Captain, he will have to choose: Friendship and the will to help Ron fulfil his dream contra a seemingly better choice with the potential to play for some years more.
A lot of tension will be created by this, so I think, it might happen.
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Tomoé - Mar 22, 2004 1:00 pm (#228 of 252)
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If Harry is the next captain, and if Ron manage to lose the first match by letting too many quaffles in (even with the 150 pts for getting the snitch), Harry could consider to find a more reliable keeper.
While Harry follow the "get the snitch or die trying" way of playing Quidditch, Ron is more in the "Let's all just keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best*". As Detail Seeker said, this could create tension between the trio.
*Motto of the Chudley Cannons, Ron's favorite Quidditch team.
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S.E. Jones - Mar 22, 2004 5:06 pm (#229 of 252)
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I don't know if he really thinks that way, though, Tomoe. He was more than ready to turn in his Quidditch uniform after the first game....It would still create tentions between the two...
Ooh, just had a thought. What if the roles got reversed and it is Ron who has to consider dropping Harry because he's too distracted by the prophecy (which he may not have told Ron about at that time), Occlumency, etc. and thus is letting his Quidditch training slack? Wouldn't that be a scene to read!
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haymoni - Mar 23, 2004 6:46 am (#230 of 252)
Is it Katie Bell that is still at Hogwarts?
I just assumed she would be the captain.
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Loopy Lupin - Mar 23, 2004 3:16 pm (#231 of 252)
I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that if he is captain, Harry will give any thought to kicking Ron off the team or relegating him to the reserve team under any circumstances. Friendship and the loyalty Ron has continued to show Harry through the years would be the deciding factor. I have always thought that Katie will still be at Hogwarts and be made the captain. As Head of House, McGonnagal would be the one to decide who is the new captain and I think she would reward seniority. (I also think that, like DD, she would figure Harry had enought to be getting on with). So, if Katie never had the faith in Ron that Angelina did and someone better comes along, that could spell a real problem.
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vball man - Apr 4, 2004 1:14 pm (#232 of 252)
He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
I hope nnothing has been said about this (I don't have time to read this whole thread), but a "variably difficult snitch" would make the game reasonable. If the snitch could be selected according to how good the seekers were, then it could make the game last a reasonable period of time. Obviously this is the case, somehow. Harry caught the snitch very quickly at times (once barley five minutes). But there's one WorldCup that lasted five days. Surely that Snitch was much tougher than the one Harry cought in five minutes. I think that Madame Hooch must have been caught off gaurd by how good Harry was. She selected one that was too slow. So in that game, the chasers and keepers didn't have much effect on the outcome.
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Phoenix - Apr 5, 2004 6:49 am (#233 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
Don't forget the match at Hogwarts that lasted 3 months (I think. I can't find the reference).
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vball man - Apr 5, 2004 9:38 am (#234 of 252)
He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
Wow! you're right. It's in Wood's explaination of Quidditch to Harry:
Quidditch only ends when the Snitch is caught, so it can go on for ages -- I think the record is three months...
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Detail Seeker - Apr 11, 2004 3:58 am (#235 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
We had some intensive discussion on this and other threads about Harry giving up plaing in the Quidditch house team to concentrate other things (DA e.g.). the whole discussion centred around psychological aspects of this (nedd for distraction, Quidditch as a means of training). To round this up, I think, we have to consider one more aspect: ability to play in his role.
What allways struck me most, was the fact, that Harry played the role, that was connected with his largest handicap: his eyes. He needs glasses - rather strong ones, as some remarks from the books show: Putting on his glasses is always the first thing, he does, when awaking. Extrapolating from me to him, I know, this is not that, what I normally do, though my glasses are not really weak ones.
So, Harry being in an age, where short sighted people normally fight with increasing short sightedness, might need too strong glasses to be able to recognize the snitch -which might either lead to his resigning altogether or changing the role (Wood said in PS, that he would make a fair beater, too).
But, this said, I still do not blieve, he will have to give up Quidditch in his House Team.
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vball man - Apr 11, 2004 5:20 am (#236 of 252)
He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
Harry is most likely nearsighted. Properly corrected, he should have excellent vision. However, the stronger the glasses, the more distortion in the periphery. This can be helped with a positive base curve. That is why our glasses are concave toward our face.
I do LASIK all the time, and I always wonder why there's no Wizarding equivalent. Who knows, Dumbledore might like monovision...
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Detail Seeker - Apr 11, 2004 1:15 pm (#237 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
There is one situation - I do not know now, in which book(it could be CoS after his Quidditich accident, when they bring in Colin Creevey), that describes him being in bed in the hospital wing and seeing people at some distance just as blurred schemes. That indicates short-sightedness to me.
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Madame Librarian - Apr 11, 2004 2:11 pm (#238 of 252)
Are you guys, Detail Seeker and vball man, saying the same thing? I think so because nearsighted and shortsighted mean the same, I believe. One can see things that are near (where sight is short), but not far. I don't think there are two different terms for farsightedness, just the one.
It gets really interesting when you're both--usually when you hit that magic number 40.
Ciao. Barb
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Detail Seeker - Apr 11, 2004 2:19 pm (#239 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
Seems so, Barb....
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Choices - Apr 11, 2004 4:39 pm (#240 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I have always thought nearsighted meant you can't see things at a distance and shortsighted meant something like failing to plan for the future. Sort of like building a two bedroom house and 10 years later realizing you were shortsighted because now you have 6 kids and wish you had more room.
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Madame Librarian - Apr 12, 2004 9:26 am (#241 of 252)
Well, I agree that when speaking metaphorically, shortsighted works nicely for not planning ahead, but as far as the vision terminology, I always thought one was more commonly used in the US--nearsighted; one was more a British term--shortsighted.
Ciao. Barb
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The Grey Lady - Apr 12, 2004 10:34 am (#242 of 252)
Sup, Figgy?
Well, I was going to predict Harry as Captian for his 7th year, because that'd mean he was on the team for 7 years (something no one's done for a century, since no first years have joined for a century). When, to my dissapointment, I realized he (assuming he plays Quidditch 6 and 7th years) would have only 5 years on the team (5.5?) Because there was no house Quidditch Cup in his 4th year, and he was banned halfway through his 5th year.
Anyway, on glasses, I don't think it would really affect his gameplay too much. Unless they were broken or fell off in the middle of a match (which they have not managed to do yet, even with dives and loops and sloth grip rolls. A sticking charm perhaps?)
From personal experience, I'm nearsighted (seeing things close to me best) but without glasses or contacts, my own feet would look blurred to me.
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prof sprout - Apr 12, 2004 10:46 am (#243 of 252)
Before I had Lasik, I couldn't see the E on the charts and if I were to hold my hand out in front of me I could only see a flesh blob.
We don't know if others haven't been on the team there first years, he is just the youngest seeker in a century. I would also assume that most first couldn't be on the team because they are not allowed a broom, but maybe that was a newer development.
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Tomoé - Apr 13, 2004 9:13 am (#244 of 252)
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To have glasses will affect game play, because that reduce the field of vision. A person without glasses can have a 200° field of vision, while glasses will reduce it to 170° or 160°.
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Steve Newton - Apr 30, 2004 6:38 am (#245 of 252)
Librarian
In one of the books I remember that one of the Hogwarts professors was described as having been an outstanding Quidditch player as a student. Can anyone remember which professor and which book? I thing that it was either Binns or Flitwick, but, I can't remember.
I was discussing this with my son last night and he doesn't remember reading this.
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Tomoé - Apr 30, 2004 8:35 am (#246 of 252)
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Lockhart probably and he probably made this up. ^_^
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Verbina - Apr 30, 2004 9:16 am (#247 of 252)
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I thought it was McGonagall myself. Not sure why though.
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Anna Katarina - Apr 30, 2004 9:25 am (#248 of 252)
I was thinking McG too. But that might have something to do with the movie trophy.
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Steve Newton - Apr 30, 2004 5:27 pm (#249 of 252)
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Well, McGonagall was named on a trophy in one of the movies. I don't recall this from the books. I'm starting to think that I am confusing things. Flitwick is mentioned in one of the last 2 books as being in the dueling club as a student and this may be what I was recalling.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Thanks for the help.
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S.E. Jones - Apr 30, 2004 5:58 pm (#250 of 252)
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Flitwick was a dueling champion (CoS) but I'm also thinking that McGonagall was a Quidditch player once upon a time. She is almost Oliver Wood like (I said almost) in her enthusiasm for her house team.
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Hagsquid - Apr 30, 2004 7:16 pm (#251 of 252)
This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
I only remember Lockhart saying he used to be a grand seeker, and was offered a spot on a professional team. I know McG likes the sport (when Gryf wins,) but I don't think she played... not in the books anyway.
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Tomoé - Apr 30, 2004 7:34 pm (#252 of 252)
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'So, Harry,' said Lockhart [...] 'tomorrow's the first Quidditch match of the season, I believe? Gryffindor against Slytherin, is it not? I hear you're a useful player. I was Seeker too. I was asked to try for the National Squad, but preferred to dedinate my life to the eradication of the Dark Forces. Still, if ever you feel the need for a little private trainig, don't hesitate to ask. Always happy to pass on my expertise to less able player ...' (UK CoS ch10 p.123)
Always happy to pass on my expertise to less able player -> LOL! I forgot that one!
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Hi, I'm new here but I can't believe there is a Quidditch thread here and nobody has mentioned Quidditch World Cup the game. I bought it for my son for Christmas for the PS2. I put him to bed at 9:00 one night and decided to play the game some. I started at 9:15 and was playing against England 5 hours later. Better said I was getting my butt kicked by England 5 hours later.
__ There is no good and evil, there is only power, and those too weak to seek it....
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Mordicus Egg - Jan 9, 2004 12:27 pm (#202 of 252)
My name is Mordicus. I am a Potterholic.
SJ Rand: I really liked your insight --
"Also, while a Keeper may make a good captain since he has to have a constant eye for everything happening on the pitch, a seeker is a bad choice because he has to be watching for the snitch, not looking at how his team is doing at staying in their formations."
Excellent point. Harry might be an excellent captain, but in order to be a captain --i.e., keep an eye on the team-- his effectiveness as a seeker might be lessened.
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mooncalf - Jan 11, 2004 7:25 pm (#203 of 252)
Cedric Diggory was both captain and seeker, so was Charlie Weasley. have there been others?
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M. Klara - Jan 19, 2004 11:02 pm (#204 of 252)
I got Quidditch World Cup for Christmas from my husband
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Luanee - Feb 12, 2004 11:25 pm (#205 of 252)
Mooncalf, Harry can be the next! I would love to see him as a captain cum seeker in book 6
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Phoenix - Feb 20, 2004 7:23 am (#206 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
I don't think I want to see Harry become capain. Who's to say Harry himself wants to be captain. He already has so much on his plate and stuggles to keep up with his school work as it is. He doesn't need the extra stress. I think that he will initially be given the role of captain but he wiil pass it to someone more deserving.
Ron for instance. Ron has always been overshadowed by his older brothers at Hogwarts, but now he is the older brother at Hogwarts. This is his time to come into his own, his chance to prove himself. To be given the role of captain will give Ron something he never had before, something that hasn't been handed to him from another member of his family. Something that will make him unique in his own way.
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haymoni - Feb 20, 2004 11:00 am (#207 of 252)
Someone earlier said that Alicia will be captain - I see Ron captain as a 7th year.
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Choices - Feb 23, 2004 11:23 am (#208 of 252)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think what Ron saw in the Mirror of Erised will come to pass.
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haymoni - Feb 23, 2004 2:20 pm (#209 of 252)
I don't see Ron as Head Boy.
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alexa - Feb 24, 2004 12:48 am (#210 of 252)
I was hoping that Cho Chang get 'kick' out of the Ravenclaw team in Book 6. Not that I am a Cho's hater, it is just that I imagined it will be very awkward for Harry and Cho to play against each other.
Perhaps Luna will replaced Cho as a seeker, and she may even managed to beat Harry in one particular Quidditch match. I mean Gryffindor can't possibly win every match that Harry played in right? I rather Gryffindor lost one match to Ravenclaw than to Slytherin or Hufflepuff (with that hateful Zacharias Smith?)
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Phoenix - Feb 25, 2004 1:05 pm (#211 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
Yeah!! I like it. Can you imagine Luna on a broomstick playing Quidditch? She'd catch the snitch without even realising and thinking "How did I get fifty feet above the ground" Ha Ha!
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alexa - Feb 25, 2004 7:25 pm (#212 of 252)
Nicola, that's funny! Let's hope she would not wear that 'live eagle' on her head. It might be too heavy for her to fly well.
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Emily - Feb 26, 2004 1:14 pm (#213 of 252)
That would be a good thing, if she were playing against Gryffindor anyway!
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Phoenix - Feb 27, 2004 12:20 pm (#214 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
Edited by Feb 27, 2004 11:22 am
Na. The eagle might distract the other players giving Luna the opportunity to accidently catch the snitch anyway.
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Chemyst - Feb 29, 2004 3:32 pm (#215 of 252)
"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
I just did a forum search for World Cup but could not find anything to answer my question. I hope someone here might know...
How often is the Quidditch World Cup held? Is it every four years akin to the Olympics as I read on another site? That does not make sense because in GF, Mrs. Weasley wrote that it seeing it was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity because "Britain hasn't hosted the Cup for thirty years." (That was 30 years exactly, not 'for nearly' 30 or 'for over' 30.) Thirty is not evenly divisible by four, so if it were held on a four-year rotation Britain could have hosted the event 28 or 32 years ago, but not 30. Is there anything about this in Quidditch Through The Ages, (the one book I don't have)?
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I Am Used Vlad - Feb 29, 2004 8:42 pm (#216 of 252)
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The World Cup is held every four years, according to Quidditch Through The Ages.
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The giant squid - Mar 1, 2004 1:58 am (#217 of 252)
Sometimes people will round times off, especially when dealing with decades. For instance, you could say that World War II happened "60 years ago" and most people wouldn't call you on it. So if Britain hosted the Quidditch World Cup 32 years ago, one might round it back to 30. In other words, she's actually saying "...in over 30 years..." but the "over" is implied.
This is not to say that that's exactly how JKR meant it, merely that it's a possible explanation. It was also said that another Cup was held every 3 years; maybe Molly was confused as to which one was which?
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Madame Librarian - Mar 1, 2004 6:18 am (#218 of 252)
GoF takes place during the summer of 1994, thirty years before is 1964. Four years after that would have been 1970, the beginning of the reign of terror, which lasted for 11 years. Perhaps, just as the Olympics were halted during the years of WWII (1936 being the last one before war was declared), the World Cup was halted. When it started up again in another country, a new cycle of every 4 years was started rather than trying to count from 1964. Does this make sense?
Ciao. Barb
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Tomoé - Mar 1, 2004 8:17 am (#219 of 252)
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hum ... I'm not sure, barb. I didn't get the impression that VW1 was a world wide war. We didn't stop Olympics for the Vietnam war, the Iran-Iraq war or the Kosovo war, to name some of those that take place after the WWII. The UK could had chosen not to participate in the Quidditch world cups of the 70s, but I doubt it would have affected the world cup.
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Chemyst - Mar 1, 2004 3:25 pm (#220 of 252)
"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
Thanks to all. Rounding off is a logical explanation. Since the World Cup is played every four years, that opens up the possibility that book 7 could end with a Hogwarts star being named to Britain's team.
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Julia. - Mar 2, 2004 2:09 pm (#221 of 252)
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Um, Barb, wouldn't four years after 1946 be 1968, two years before the start of the reign of terror?
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Madame Librarian - Mar 2, 2004 3:09 pm (#222 of 252)
Julia, duuh, do I feel stupid! Of course, 64 + 4 = 68 (I think your post has a typo, though. I'm sure you meant 1964, but you typed 1946).
Help, oh, help. Words are my thing, not numbers. No excuse, however. Sorry.
Ciao. Barb
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Julia. - Mar 2, 2004 7:48 pm (#223 of 252)
74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Oh yeah, good catch Barb. 1964, not 1946. Sorry about that.
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S.E. Jones - Mar 19, 2004 6:24 pm (#224 of 252)
Let it snow!
Hey, I know we were at one time discussing who would be the new Gryffindor Quidditch Captain and who would be on and off the team, and I just came across this quote during a read through of JKR's last online Chat and I was curious to know what everyone made of it..?
World Day, March 4, 2004:
bibwhang: Will Ron ever get on the Gryffindor quidditch team?
JK Rowling replies -> Well, he's already there! The question is, whether the new Quidditch Captain will allow him to stay!
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Denise P. - Mar 19, 2004 6:43 pm (#225 of 252)
Ravenclaw Pony
I think it means we can rule Harry out as the new Captain since I doubt he would ever consider NOT having Ron on the team, now that he is there.
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Madame Librarian - Mar 20, 2004 7:11 am (#226 of 252)
What if it's Ginny? Talk about sibling rivalry. (joke)
Ciao. Barb
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Detail Seeker - Mar 20, 2004 7:34 am (#227 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
I do not think, it rules out Harry. Some tests about new Quidditch team members will be held in the beginning of the year and a potential new Keeper will be found and about as good as Ron, perhaps a bit better. Now it is for the captain to decide: Ron or the fresh one. If Harry is the Captain, he will have to choose: Friendship and the will to help Ron fulfil his dream contra a seemingly better choice with the potential to play for some years more.
A lot of tension will be created by this, so I think, it might happen.
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Tomoé - Mar 22, 2004 1:00 pm (#228 of 252)
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If Harry is the next captain, and if Ron manage to lose the first match by letting too many quaffles in (even with the 150 pts for getting the snitch), Harry could consider to find a more reliable keeper.
While Harry follow the "get the snitch or die trying" way of playing Quidditch, Ron is more in the "Let's all just keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best*". As Detail Seeker said, this could create tension between the trio.
*Motto of the Chudley Cannons, Ron's favorite Quidditch team.
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S.E. Jones - Mar 22, 2004 5:06 pm (#229 of 252)
Let it snow!
I don't know if he really thinks that way, though, Tomoe. He was more than ready to turn in his Quidditch uniform after the first game....It would still create tentions between the two...
Ooh, just had a thought. What if the roles got reversed and it is Ron who has to consider dropping Harry because he's too distracted by the prophecy (which he may not have told Ron about at that time), Occlumency, etc. and thus is letting his Quidditch training slack? Wouldn't that be a scene to read!
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haymoni - Mar 23, 2004 6:46 am (#230 of 252)
Is it Katie Bell that is still at Hogwarts?
I just assumed she would be the captain.
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Loopy Lupin - Mar 23, 2004 3:16 pm (#231 of 252)
I don't think there is any chance whatsoever that if he is captain, Harry will give any thought to kicking Ron off the team or relegating him to the reserve team under any circumstances. Friendship and the loyalty Ron has continued to show Harry through the years would be the deciding factor. I have always thought that Katie will still be at Hogwarts and be made the captain. As Head of House, McGonnagal would be the one to decide who is the new captain and I think she would reward seniority. (I also think that, like DD, she would figure Harry had enought to be getting on with). So, if Katie never had the faith in Ron that Angelina did and someone better comes along, that could spell a real problem.
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vball man - Apr 4, 2004 1:14 pm (#232 of 252)
He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
I hope nnothing has been said about this (I don't have time to read this whole thread), but a "variably difficult snitch" would make the game reasonable. If the snitch could be selected according to how good the seekers were, then it could make the game last a reasonable period of time. Obviously this is the case, somehow. Harry caught the snitch very quickly at times (once barley five minutes). But there's one WorldCup that lasted five days. Surely that Snitch was much tougher than the one Harry cought in five minutes. I think that Madame Hooch must have been caught off gaurd by how good Harry was. She selected one that was too slow. So in that game, the chasers and keepers didn't have much effect on the outcome.
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Phoenix - Apr 5, 2004 6:49 am (#233 of 252)
Nicola Mlynek
Don't forget the match at Hogwarts that lasted 3 months (I think. I can't find the reference).
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vball man - Apr 5, 2004 9:38 am (#234 of 252)
He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
Wow! you're right. It's in Wood's explaination of Quidditch to Harry:
Quidditch only ends when the Snitch is caught, so it can go on for ages -- I think the record is three months...
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Detail Seeker - Apr 11, 2004 3:58 am (#235 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
We had some intensive discussion on this and other threads about Harry giving up plaing in the Quidditch house team to concentrate other things (DA e.g.). the whole discussion centred around psychological aspects of this (nedd for distraction, Quidditch as a means of training). To round this up, I think, we have to consider one more aspect: ability to play in his role.
What allways struck me most, was the fact, that Harry played the role, that was connected with his largest handicap: his eyes. He needs glasses - rather strong ones, as some remarks from the books show: Putting on his glasses is always the first thing, he does, when awaking. Extrapolating from me to him, I know, this is not that, what I normally do, though my glasses are not really weak ones.
So, Harry being in an age, where short sighted people normally fight with increasing short sightedness, might need too strong glasses to be able to recognize the snitch -which might either lead to his resigning altogether or changing the role (Wood said in PS, that he would make a fair beater, too).
But, this said, I still do not blieve, he will have to give up Quidditch in his House Team.
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vball man - Apr 11, 2004 5:20 am (#236 of 252)
He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
Harry is most likely nearsighted. Properly corrected, he should have excellent vision. However, the stronger the glasses, the more distortion in the periphery. This can be helped with a positive base curve. That is why our glasses are concave toward our face.
I do LASIK all the time, and I always wonder why there's no Wizarding equivalent. Who knows, Dumbledore might like monovision...
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Detail Seeker - Apr 11, 2004 1:15 pm (#237 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
There is one situation - I do not know now, in which book(it could be CoS after his Quidditich accident, when they bring in Colin Creevey), that describes him being in bed in the hospital wing and seeing people at some distance just as blurred schemes. That indicates short-sightedness to me.
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Madame Librarian - Apr 11, 2004 2:11 pm (#238 of 252)
Are you guys, Detail Seeker and vball man, saying the same thing? I think so because nearsighted and shortsighted mean the same, I believe. One can see things that are near (where sight is short), but not far. I don't think there are two different terms for farsightedness, just the one.
It gets really interesting when you're both--usually when you hit that magic number 40.
Ciao. Barb
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Detail Seeker - Apr 11, 2004 2:19 pm (#239 of 252)
Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
Seems so, Barb....
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Choices - Apr 11, 2004 4:39 pm (#240 of 252)
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I have always thought nearsighted meant you can't see things at a distance and shortsighted meant something like failing to plan for the future. Sort of like building a two bedroom house and 10 years later realizing you were shortsighted because now you have 6 kids and wish you had more room.
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Madame Librarian - Apr 12, 2004 9:26 am (#241 of 252)
Well, I agree that when speaking metaphorically, shortsighted works nicely for not planning ahead, but as far as the vision terminology, I always thought one was more commonly used in the US--nearsighted; one was more a British term--shortsighted.
Ciao. Barb
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The Grey Lady - Apr 12, 2004 10:34 am (#242 of 252)
Sup, Figgy?
Well, I was going to predict Harry as Captian for his 7th year, because that'd mean he was on the team for 7 years (something no one's done for a century, since no first years have joined for a century). When, to my dissapointment, I realized he (assuming he plays Quidditch 6 and 7th years) would have only 5 years on the team (5.5?) Because there was no house Quidditch Cup in his 4th year, and he was banned halfway through his 5th year.
Anyway, on glasses, I don't think it would really affect his gameplay too much. Unless they were broken or fell off in the middle of a match (which they have not managed to do yet, even with dives and loops and sloth grip rolls. A sticking charm perhaps?)
From personal experience, I'm nearsighted (seeing things close to me best) but without glasses or contacts, my own feet would look blurred to me.
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prof sprout - Apr 12, 2004 10:46 am (#243 of 252)
Before I had Lasik, I couldn't see the E on the charts and if I were to hold my hand out in front of me I could only see a flesh blob.
We don't know if others haven't been on the team there first years, he is just the youngest seeker in a century. I would also assume that most first couldn't be on the team because they are not allowed a broom, but maybe that was a newer development.
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Tomoé - Apr 13, 2004 9:13 am (#244 of 252)
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To have glasses will affect game play, because that reduce the field of vision. A person without glasses can have a 200° field of vision, while glasses will reduce it to 170° or 160°.
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Steve Newton - Apr 30, 2004 6:38 am (#245 of 252)
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In one of the books I remember that one of the Hogwarts professors was described as having been an outstanding Quidditch player as a student. Can anyone remember which professor and which book? I thing that it was either Binns or Flitwick, but, I can't remember.
I was discussing this with my son last night and he doesn't remember reading this.
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Tomoé - Apr 30, 2004 8:35 am (#246 of 252)
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Lockhart probably and he probably made this up. ^_^
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Verbina - Apr 30, 2004 9:16 am (#247 of 252)
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I thought it was McGonagall myself. Not sure why though.
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Anna Katarina - Apr 30, 2004 9:25 am (#248 of 252)
I was thinking McG too. But that might have something to do with the movie trophy.
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Steve Newton - Apr 30, 2004 5:27 pm (#249 of 252)
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Well, McGonagall was named on a trophy in one of the movies. I don't recall this from the books. I'm starting to think that I am confusing things. Flitwick is mentioned in one of the last 2 books as being in the dueling club as a student and this may be what I was recalling.
I'd be happy to be proven wrong. Thanks for the help.
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S.E. Jones - Apr 30, 2004 5:58 pm (#250 of 252)
Let it snow!
Flitwick was a dueling champion (CoS) but I'm also thinking that McGonagall was a Quidditch player once upon a time. She is almost Oliver Wood like (I said almost) in her enthusiasm for her house team.
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Hagsquid - Apr 30, 2004 7:16 pm (#251 of 252)
This is me listening to OoP for the umteenth time.
I only remember Lockhart saying he used to be a grand seeker, and was offered a spot on a professional team. I know McG likes the sport (when Gryf wins,) but I don't think she played... not in the books anyway.
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Tomoé - Apr 30, 2004 7:34 pm (#252 of 252)
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'So, Harry,' said Lockhart [...] 'tomorrow's the first Quidditch match of the season, I believe? Gryffindor against Slytherin, is it not? I hear you're a useful player. I was Seeker too. I was asked to try for the National Squad, but preferred to dedinate my life to the eradication of the Dark Forces. Still, if ever you feel the need for a little private trainig, don't hesitate to ask. Always happy to pass on my expertise to less able player ...' (UK CoS ch10 p.123)
Always happy to pass on my expertise to less able player -> LOL! I forgot that one!
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