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Post  Elanor on Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:24 am

The Hidden Meaning in Hair

This topic serves as an archive of a thread from the Harry Potter Lexicon Forum as hosted on World Crossing which ceased operation on April 15, 2011. At that time, this thread was still set in the "Archived Thread to be Worked" folder of the WC forum. Elanor

schoff - Sep 13, 2003 10:33 pm
Edited by Kip Carter Jan 12, 2006 12:13 pm
First off, I want to preface this post saying I have absolutely no leanings toward anything in this topic. I can be very inconsistent and argue both for and against certain ideas presented here. I am just starting this by posting a few of my thoughts, and seeing if any of them take off.

1. Is JKR trying to tell us hidden biological relationships using hair color as a common thread? IMHO, JKR uses hair color to show genetic connections with our known family members. Examples include: Red hair for the Weasleys, blond hair for the Malfoys, and Harry and James' black hair. Is she trying to tell us that maybe Lily and DD are related because of their auburn hair? Auburn hair is also a shade of red--Maybe they're related to the Weasleys. Another connection that has been brought up in the past is Harry and Tom Riddle's hair. Is there a family connection there? Are there any other weird hair parallels out there that might connote an unknown biological connection?

2. Is JKR trying to tell us hidden plot lines using the color of hair? The most popular one I've read about is the "straw-colored" hair theory--so far, several of our true baddies have straw (blond) hair: Crouch Jr and Lucius. Sturgis Podmore is supposedly a good guy, yet he has been described as having straw colored hair. Does this mean he is Voldy supporter in disguise? Sirius and James had the same color hair, and both met a similar fate (dying too early)--any thoughts on this? Again, are there any more common hair parallels involving hair color?

3. The one I've been thinking about most: Is JKR trying to subtly include yet another comparison between Voldy and his DE's to Hitler and the Nazis using hair color? Voldy has jet black hair and so did Hitler. Voldy's right hand men are blonds (Malfoy and Crouch). Hitler's ideal Germans were blond, blue eyed men (even though he wasn't).

I'm anxiously awaiting everyone's thoughts, and if there are any other meanings I might have missed.
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Post  Elanor on Sat Jul 02, 2011 1:27 am

W J - Sep 14, 2003 2:30 am (#1 of 196)
I don't think hair color tells us anything. In the books, Petunia is blond and I don't think she is related to the Malfoys. This has been discussed before on several existing threads. You may want to search the forum for previous comments on this subject.

JKR has already compared Voldemort and the Death Eaters to Hitler and the Nazis in several of her interviews so this is nothing new, but since you apparently did not read those interviews, it is a good observation.

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Penny Lane. - Sep 14, 2003 9:18 am (#2 of 196)

Where would I find those interviews, WJ?

I thought that Harry and James had the same hair because they were related, and I hope they aren't related to the Weasleys. That would be too wierd when Harry hooks up with Ginny. ;-)

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schoff - Sep 14, 2003 12:51 pm (#3 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Edited by Sep 14, 2003 1:09 pm
I've read those threads WJ, but I was trying to consolidate them, as it's come up in the "Podmores" thread, and I really thought there could be some active discussions about it, and to avoid all the off-topic clutter. It's been a popular discussion both pre-OoP, and at ezBoard, and I just wanted to restart it here. I probably wasn't very clear, but I was trying to summarize the main arguments whenever hair color comes up, not that I was just coming up with these ideas. The two main ones seem to be: Using hair color to base blood relationships; and Using hair color to predict future plots. I threw in the third because I was trying to be all inclusive. I probably should have thrown in a fourth, for "none of the above" or "parts of the above." If you guys don't think this belongs in its own thread, or it belongs in another thread, than by all means, move it or delete it. That's fine.

And Penny: Yes, that was my point (albeit, probably badly explained). JKR shows a family resemblence based on common hair color between Harry and James--and she makes this a clear point. There's no question Harry and James are related. My question is, are there any unknown blood relationships that JKR is hinting at, using the color of hair. Conversely, maybe JKR might be hinting at a nonblood relationship between Lily and Petunia--since others have brought out difference in hair (and eye) color to argue this point.

Sorry for the confusion. I hope this post helps. Last time I try and start a thread a 12:30 in the morning!

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W J - Sep 14, 2003 8:14 pm (#4 of 196)

Here's one interview, Penny. I know there are a couple more and I will look for them on Quick Quotes.

Canadian Broadcasting Co., July 2000, J.K. ROWLING INTERVIEW, with Evan Solomon

Q: Some of the people that you satirize most in this book, the evil people, the Malfoys, they're very classist, they're racist against the Mudbloods. Is it fair to say that these are neo-Conservative or Thatcherite? (JK nods.) Is there a real political axe you're grinding there?

JKR: I think in this book too, you fully understand... With Voldemort, I didn't want to create this cardboard cutout of a baddie, where you put a black hat on him and you say 'Right, now you shoot at that guy because he's bad.'

Q: Like the Dursleys are more of a cutout bad people?

JKR: Yes and no. You will meet Dursleys, in Britain. You will. I've barely exaggerated them. Yeah, Voldemort. In the second book, Chamber of Secrets, in fact he's exactly what I've said before. He takes what he perceives to be a defect in himself, in other words the non-purity of his blood, and he projects it onto others. It's like Hitler and the Arian ideal, to which he did not conform at all, himself. And so Voldemort is doing this also. He takes his own inferiority, and turns it back on other people and attempts to exterminate in them what he hates in himself.

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Penny Lane. - Sep 14, 2003 8:36 pm (#5 of 196)

Wow! Thanks WJ! I didn't realize how many interviews their were out their. I have read most of the ones that are quoted on a fairly regular basis, but occisionally there are ones that I haven't read, or quotes that I just overlooked the first time I read them.

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Doris Crockford - Sep 15, 2003 2:06 pm (#6 of 196)

Schoff, do you mean to say that because James and Sirius both had black hair, they died? Then will Harry meet an early death too (like, say, at the end of the 7th book)? But I guess you aren't because Voldie has black hair and hasn't died young.

Why do I post anything if I just contradict myself?

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popkin - Sep 15, 2003 3:57 pm (#7 of 196)

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Edited by Sep 15, 2003 4:11 pm
Schoff, I think this is a great thread, and am glad you posted it.

I would like to see a spreadsheet of every type of hair color and quality JKR has used (thick blond, white blond, straw coloured, auburn, ginger, curly, greasy etc.) and each person who has been described having that type of hair. Then, I think we could really begin making some serious connections.

Do you think we could use this thread as a place to post the information we've gathered on hair - to perhaps do a really serious study of the subject. If we did, we'd have to cite sources (ie. Wormtail, bald patch, GOF p. 7). Maybe, if we all worked together, say one chapter at a time per volunteer, we could put together a more complete picture of the whole hair phenomenon.

What do you think? Insane?

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Mare - Sep 15, 2003 4:31 pm (#8 of 196)

And here I was thinking you were being sarcastic...

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popkin - Sep 15, 2003 10:02 pm (#9 of 196)

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Edited by Sep 15, 2003 10:03 pm
As I was writing my last post, I was aware of how over the top it was. But, I do really want to get to the bottom of the hair mysteries. I want to tear the books apart finding all the hair references there are and put them together in a way that makes sense to me.

I feel like Harvey Korman in "High Anxiety". "We're going to need a WHOLE LOT of DIMES!"

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schoff - Sep 15, 2003 10:43 pm (#10 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Edited by Sep 15, 2003 10:52 pm
Okay, I'm going to try and clarify some of the stuff I wrote in my first post. I think it would be easier to argue each example I brought up this way. This is really how the first post should have looked like, had I not been on a color and font power trip:

FACTS: Harry is James’ son. Their common identifying physical feature is unruly black hair. Bill, Charlie, Percy, Fred, George, Ron, and Ginny are Molly and Arthur Weasley’s children. Their common identifying physical feature is red hair. In fact, they’re known for it. This is going to lead me to my first hair rule:

Rule #1: JKR uses hair color to establish biological relationships.

FACT: Chamber of Secrets, Chapter 17--”The Heir of Slytherin”, main theme is to point out the parallels between Harry and Lord Voldemort. “There are strange likenesses between us, after all. Even you must have noticed. Both half-bloods, orphans, raised by Muggles. Probably the only two Parselmouths to come to Hogwarts since the great Slytherin himself. We even look something alike...” (Am. p.317) Their common identifying physical feature? Black hair. This is going to lead me to the second rule:

Rule #2: JKR uses hair color to establish parallel character histories.

Now, using these two rules, can we analyze any of the following topics that have come up in regards to hair color, in order to predict future plots:

Sturgis Podmore and Barty Crouch, Jr. Both characters are tied together by their common hair color: Straw. JKR could have used any number of other adjectives to describe blond hair, but she deliberately used the same word twice. Since Rule #1 does not advance the plot, I’m going to discount it. However, is Rule #2 at work here? Crouch, Jr. was a traitor working for Voldemort. Could this mean Sturgis is a traitor also?

Sirius Black’s death. PoA, Chapter 10--”The Marauder’s Map”, establishes a closeness between Sirius and James. “’Quite the double act, Sirius Black and James Potter’...’Black and Potter. Ringleaders of their little gang’...’You’d have thought Black and Potter were brothers!’” (Am. p. 204) Their common identifying physical feature? Black hair (GoF, Am. p. 521). I know this one is more subtle, but since I brought it up in an earlier post, perhaps Rule #2 was at work here. James was murdered, well before his time. He also died dueling with Voldemort. Sirius was murdered, well before his time. He also died dueling with Bellatrix. JKR seems to use black hair an awful lot, even though she has a full spectrum of other colors to choose from.

Lily Potter and Petunia Dursley. This one is interesting in the fact that it seems to contradict Rule #1. However, perhaps Rule #1 could be used in the half-sisters argument going on. An Anti-Rule #1 so to speak. We know Lily and Petunia are biologically related, but perhaps not 100%. Perhaps that’s why JKR keeps bringing up the differences in physical appearances between them. (Note: Lily Potter does seem to disobey most rules, but honestly, in this and Harry’s case, I think there’s a different parallel going on involving eyes, and not hair. But that‘s for a different thread that I‘m not starting!)

Lily Potter, Albus Dumbledore, and the Weasleys. This is a HUGE stretch, but auburn is a shade of red. Rule #1 at work? I doubt it, but I thought it worth mentioning.

)Candidates for overlapping circles (where both Rule #1 and #2 may apply):

Harry Potter and Lord Voldemort. I’ve already established Rule #2 is at work here. Is Rule #1 working here, too? This theory’s been discussed a lot, especially in the archives (although the only one I could quickly find was "Harry is Voldemort"--a slightly different theory on their relationship).

Lily Potter and Albus Dumbledore. Both are described with auburn hair. Again, I must point out, JKR has a multitude of adjectives to choose from, yet chose to use this same color twice. Is Rule #1 at work here? There have been a lot of theories about Dumbledore being Lily’s father or grandfather (archived "Harry Key to Gringotts", "A Strange Theory about Dumbledore", "Dumbledore's Connection to Harry...?"). Perhaps a distant uncle. Is Harry, through Lily, related to Dumbledore in some way, and is that why Harry’s future fell to him when Lily and James died? Is this the reason Dumbledore had James’ cloak, or the Potter’s vault key? OR: Is Rule #2 at work here? There have been several JKR hints that Dumbledore may die. Lily died to protect Harry. Perhaps Dumbledore will also die protecting Harry. OR: Perhaps both Rule #1 and Rule #2 are working here.

Doris: Perhaps Harry and James fall under Rule #2 as well. Harry does seem to be heading for a final duel with Voldemort. However, he may be saved from James' fate because of the Phoenix core. This seems to indicate that Harry can't duel with Voldemort.

Are there any more hair parallels out there we could discuss using these rules?

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Ihavebothbuttocks - Sep 16, 2003 5:35 am (#11 of 196)

schoff: regarding Lily/Petunia violating the rule: It ain't necessarily so! Perhaps the rule only applies in the WW, so that would make Muggle Petunia a non-starter.

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schoff - Sep 16, 2003 9:20 am (#12 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Perhaps, Ihavebothbuttocks. Then maybe it's an Anti-Rule #2, emphasizing their differences in past history, instead of their parallels.

I've found another:
Hermione Granger and Rubeus Hagrid. Common trait? Bushy hair that's difficult to tame. Currently, both characters are involved in unpopular (and some would argue unwise) projects trying to empower less fortunate (educated?) Wizarding groups. For Hagrid, it's giants (Grawp), and Hermione's passion concerns the House-elves. Hagrid, though, is seeing success in his project. Using Rule #2, does this mean Hermione will succeed with SPEW?

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Hem Hem - Sep 16, 2003 5:50 pm (#13 of 196)

I just thought I'd mention another unusual repetition of specific characteristics, even though I highly doubt the two are related: Mundungus and Crookshanks. Both of them are described with bandy legs and ginger hair, and are the only two characters in thes eries to be described with the specific color of "ginger." The two of them can't possibly be the same "person," so to speak, because they appear togther in OP Ch5 (US ed. p 82). However, they might be connected in a Rule#2 type of way.

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Jenny M. - Sep 16, 2003 5:55 pm (#14 of 196)

Perhaps the "auburn connection" with the Weasleys, Lily and Dumbly is meant to signal an almost spiritual familyship rather than biological. For example, Dumbledore is very close to the Weasleys. Also, we know that Dumbly feels about Harry almost as a grandfather would - is it possible he cared for Lily as he would for a daughter? (I don't think Lily is related to him biologically, as I seem to remember that JKR has told us in interviews that Lily is pure muggle.)

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schoff - Sep 16, 2003 6:09 pm (#15 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
You know Hem Hem, I thought there was a ginger connection somewhere, and I thought it was Dung and Crookshanks, but I didn't want to put it down until I was sure. The only thing that I can come up with for them under Rule #2 is that they're both pretty devious, and probably have a commonality of being thieves. Crookshanks was devious in PoA in regards to stealing Neville's codes and working secretly with Sirius. Dung clearly has to be devious to get away with half the stuff he does. I'd bet he's done some permanent "borrowing" himself. Neither one of them seems to be above breaking rules if it's in their best interest. However, I cannot find a point where we can predict a future plot between them. I don't think their backgrounds have been clarified enough. What do you think?

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popkin - Sep 17, 2003 8:42 pm (#16 of 196)

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What about Tonks? She certainly throws a crowbar in the works, doesn't she? Do you think her character traits are as changeable as her hair? I'd like to know its original color. Does the fact that she has curly blonde hair on page 122 (OotP, USA) mean that on that page she did something that would be similar to other curly blonde headed people in the series?

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Joost! - Sep 18, 2003 5:02 am (#17 of 196)

Second line of information
And don't forget the connection between bald (and toothless) Tom the Innkeeper and bald Quirrell-and-Voldemorts-Face...

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skh - Sep 18, 2003 8:19 am (#18 of 196)

I think there is a link between the Weasleys and Lily - we know so little about Lily's backstory and also the details with the Weasleys is sket chy, their timelines and stuff. Auburn is very definitely a type of red hair, there has to be a link between Lily, the Weasleys and Dumbledore, and I think it has to be on Molly's side (as Arhtur is linked to the Black side). I know that Lily is supposedly Muggles born, but maybe Molly was also Muggles born? No, I know that's wrong, the Weasleys are a "pure-blood" family, but I can't help feeling there's something there and maybe that's some of the reason the Weasley timeline is so blurred?

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Ihavebothbuttocks - Sep 18, 2003 9:31 am (#19 of 196)

skh: Since you are looking for a connection between the Weasleys and Lily, perhaps its Molly's second-cousin (the accountant) that no one talks about that provides the link between the two families.

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Susurro Notities - Sep 18, 2003 7:51 pm (#20 of 196)

That is an interesting theory Ihavebothbuttocks (by the way congratulations on your buttock situation - wand always in hand?). So is Mark Evans the accountant's son?

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Lenka - Sep 20, 2003 1:34 pm (#21 of 196)

ahhhh essays
I thought JK said Lily's hair was dark red, not auburn. *looks around, puzzled*

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schoff - Sep 21, 2003 11:53 pm (#22 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Edited by Sep 22, 2003 12:02 am
popkin: lys potter asked on the "Harry" thread if maybe Harry was an metamorphmagus. Her connection was Tonks' changing hair, and Harry's ability to regrow his hair after Petunia cut it in P/SS. Thoughts?

Lenka: Hmm..."Mirror of Erised" does describes Lily's hair as dark red. OoP says the same in "Snape's Worst Memory." I wonder where I got auburn from?

EDIT: I looked up "auburn" and my Scrabble dictionary calls it "a reddish brown color." Maybe that's where I got it, but I could have sworn Lily's hair was refered to as auburn at one point.

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Sinister Kittens - Sep 22, 2003 2:42 am (#23 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Okay, i'm just trying to figure out these rules. Does that mean that there is a connection in character traits between Umbridge (Short curly hair of unspecified colour) and Marietta (curly, reddish blonde hair)?

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popkin - Sep 22, 2003 8:50 am (#24 of 196)

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Schoff, Harry certainly seemed interested in learning how to become a metamorphmagus. He was able to regrow his hair when absolutely desperate to do so. Perhaps, he will find he can change his appearance when he is in a situation that makes it absolutely essential that he do so. Maybe that's why Tonks looks like she is struggling to remember something - not trying to remember what something looks like and imitate it, but to remember a circumstance in which she would need to look a certain way. Harry already has shown he is good at being able to remember how he feels in certain situations or with certain people when he produces a patronus in the presence of dementors. Maybe that, along with the hair regrowing incident, shows he's got a natural ability to change his appearance.

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Denise P. - Sep 22, 2003 8:53 am (#25 of 196)

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I think Harry re-growing his hair was emotional magic, not a sign that he has the ability to be a metamorphmagus.

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Detail Seeker - Sep 22, 2003 9:45 am (#26 of 196)

Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
I agree with Denise: Harry was able to reset himself to his former appearance, to let his hair grow faster. This is only accelerating natural processes, not changing it into something, he never was before. If he was a natural metmorphmagus, he would be able to bring his hair into an orderly state, if he really (desperately)wanted to.

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Hem Hem - Sep 22, 2003 5:10 pm (#27 of 196)

Hey Sinister Kittens, there are several forum members who actually believe that the presence of curly hair on a character is a sure sign of untrustworthiness...I think Olivia Wood is the champion of this theory. If you'd like to read more on the subject, I think there was a thread called "EVIL Curly Hair" on the first Ezboard forum (Theories Folder), and in the "Is Percy Weasley going Over to Voldemort" thread down below. In the Percy thread, check around post 70 and 121 for the stuff pertaining to that subject. Surprised)

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schoff - Sep 23, 2003 12:02 am (#28 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Hem Hem: Hey Sinister Kittens, there are several forum members who actually believe that the presence of curly hair on a character is a sure sign of untrustworthiness...

popkin: Does the fact that she has curly blonde hair on page 122 (OotP, USA) mean that on that page she did something that would be similar to other curly blonde headed people in the series?

Uh, you know what...That's the day Tonks begged off doing night duty saying she was "too tired." That looks really suspicious viewed in this light. How many times have we heard "I'm too tired" as an excuse to get out of something? Maybe she had other plans...

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popkin - Sep 23, 2003 12:48 am (#29 of 196)

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Edited by Sep 23, 2003 12:56 am
Three things are mentioned in regard to Tonks on that page (122):

1. She has blond curly hair.

2. It is revealed that Scrimgeour has been asking "funny questions" of Tonks and Kingsley.

3. She begs off night duty.

Are all these things related?

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Sinister Kittens - Sep 23, 2003 3:25 am (#30 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Hem Hem - yeah I remember reading it and as I have natural curly hair I was mildly upset (kidding, kidding) ;-). I don't think I explained my question well enough... I was just trying to figure out the rules that were posted earlier and was using the aforementioned discription as an example. Sorry to confuse anyone.

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popkin - Sep 23, 2003 8:54 am (#31 of 196)

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I was looking for something else in the chapter "Seen and Unforeseen", when this popped out at me. P. 598, OotP:

"Through the mist came a face Harry had seen once before on a dark, dangerous night in the Forbidden Forest: *white-blond hair* and astonishingly blue eyes, the head and torso of a man joined to the palomino body of a horse. 'This is Firenze,' said Dumbledore to a thunderstruck Umbridge. 'I think you'll find him suitable.'"

What connection could there be between Firenze and Draco Malfoy? Or his father - does he also have "white-blond" hair, or just plain "blonde"?

Is the absence of an "e" significant. I'm sure there are other mentions "blonde" hair. Why is the "e" missing from this particular passage? Just a typo?

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Madame Librarian - Sep 23, 2003 11:26 am (#32 of 196)

popkin--a not terribly exciting answer, I'm afraid, to your last question:

a man is blond; a woman is blonde

That distinction in spelling is from gender-specific French, and is often ignored in English usage today, but not always.

Ciao. Barb

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Professor McGonagall - Sep 23, 2003 2:21 pm (#33 of 196)

You all have very interesting theories... but I wanted to mention something and see what you guys thought of it.

Okay, if there are genetic "mutations" between witches and wizards (i.e. Muggle-borns, Squibs, etc.) then, I was wondering: What if two Squibs had children? I mean, there's a good chance that one of them would inherit the wizarding gene, right? Well, what if that's Lily's case? I mean, her parents could have been Squibs and then had her and Petunia and one of the children could inherit the dominant and one would inherit the recessive gene (Witch and Muggle- like traits... I don't know which would be considered the dominant or recessive).

It was a just a thought...
~*~Professor McGonagall~*~

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popkin - Sep 23, 2003 2:33 pm (#34 of 196)

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Edited by Sep 23, 2003 2:38 pm
Professor McGonnagal: It might work something like eye color (a fifty/fifty chance of inheriting either the squib or wizard gene), or it could be more complicated - as hair color and quality are. I don't know where my kids got their hair - its not like mine, my husband's or any of their grandparents. In any case, I don't think this applies to Lily. If she were born of squibs, I don't think she would be called a "muggle-born" witch.

Madame Librarian: Thanks. I don't believe I have ever heard that blond/e is a gender specific word. One may learn extraordinary things from a librarian.

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Gina R Snape - Sep 23, 2003 7:26 pm (#35 of 196)

"The world isn't split into good people and death eaters"
Popkin wrote: "Three things are mentioned in regard to Tonks on that page (122): "

Popkin (or anyone else who sees this), can you tell me what chapter that was in? I have the British edition and the pages numbers are not the same. You've given me an idea and a thought, and I'd like to read that part before posting on the Nymphadora Tonks thread. Thanks

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schoff - Sep 23, 2003 7:30 pm (#36 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Edited by Sep 23, 2003 7:31 pm
Sure, Gina! It's right at the beginning of "Ministry of Magic," Chapter Seven, when Harry gets up and goes down to breakfast. Does it make it easier, if when quoting, we use Chapters, instead of pages? I guess I could do both, if you'd like.

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Sep 23, 2003 8:21 pm (#37 of 196)

hrm I'd be willing to go through a couple random chapters in a couple of the books looking for maybe those more subtle hair references.. be back in a bit.

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Sep 23, 2003 8:41 pm (#38 of 196)

Oh! McGonagall has black hair. that's interesting, I must have missed that bit when I first read it. That's in PS/SS at the beginning of Ch. 7 in case you're wondering. Do we know much about her history to maybe give some evidence to her having similar histories to other black haired people? I for some reason don't think it is the genetics one though. Seamus Finnigan has "sandy" hair (a couple pages after the previous reference), so is that sort of brown but a little blond? Not sure if that one's important or not. Madam Hooch has grey hair (PS 109) but that's probably because of her age, and she's not really significant.

Hey what about hair colors of animals and familiars? I think there might have been a couple earlier posts that sort of mentioned them. Filch's cat (mrs.norris) is dust colored (PS/SS ch.Cool. Can you find any other animals that might be dust colored? I think they would all be according to Rule #2 because all these familiars being related genetically would be sort of weird....

Fang is black (PS p. 104), scabbers is grey (PS 75), hey what was peter pettigrew's hair color?

Ok that's just a bunch of food for thought, so if you guys have any ideas about the significance of this, please tell me! Alos, if anyone knows stuff about McGonagall, that woul dbe great!

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schoff - Sep 23, 2003 9:03 pm (#39 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Seamus Finnigan has "sandy" hair (a couple pages after the previous reference), so is that sort of brown but a little blond? Not sure if that one's important or not. Madam Hooch has grey hair (PS 109) but that's probably because of her age, and she's not really significant.

Lupin's hair is light brown, but prematurely grey (PoA Ch5). Sandy hair is light brown.

There's a lot of people with black hair. McGonagall, James, Sirius, Harry, Tom Riddle, Snape (his is also greasy)--any others? Did you find another description for McGonagall's hair, Jazhara? Harry and James are connected by their untamed black hair. Maybe McGonagall could be connected to someone else if a second adjective is used. Doesn't she always keep it in a bun (SS Ch1). Does anyone else do this?

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Gina R Snape - Sep 23, 2003 9:13 pm (#40 of 196)

"The world isn't split into good people and death eaters"
Thanks, schoff.

It is common for people to include page number, chapter number and title and edition (US or UK) when quoting from the books. There are people on this forum from all over the world, and will not necessarily have one or the other, or maybe not even have an English text, but another language. So, this helps when we all run to our books (a Lex Forum requirement is that you have one set next to your computer at all times!!!!---just kidding, but not really 'cuz so many of us do just that.

And for the record, the most fascinating thing I ever read about hair in the HP books is when we learned in Snape's pensieve memory that James Potter deliberately messed up his hair to look cool. It just struck me so much how he must have unintentionally magically created this trait of messy hair to pass on to Harry. Sirius and Lupin found it cute and endearing when they remembered him messing his hair, but I think it just adds to Snape's loathing and others' problem of looking at Harry and seeing James Potter.

Oh, and when the DA members assembled, the first thing I thought was "Oh! A girl with evil curly hair!" And sure enough, it came true.

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popkin - Sep 24, 2003 1:47 am (#41 of 196)

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Schoff: "There's a lot of people with black hair. McGonagall, James, Sirius, Harry, Tom Riddle, Snape (his is also greasy)--any others?"

The similarities between Harry and James, Sirius, Tom Riddle and Snape are striking.

1. Sirius, Tom, Snape and Harry were all raised in dysfunctional homes (James seems to be the exception, since Sirius ended up living there and being treated as a son).

2. They all have hot tempers.

3. They all have Slytherin traits. (parseltongue being the most impressive one, shared by only Tom and Harry - probably. I wouldn't be surprised to find out Snape is a parseltongue.)

4. All but Tom Riddle have shown exceptional bravery (but Snape toots his own horn in this regard).

5. They bear some resemblance to one another - black hair being the most obvious. Of the five, Tom, James and Harry look the most like one another. I think Sirius and Snape also look quite a bit alike, especially post Azkaban (Is Sirius ever described with greasy hair?) And, doesn't it say that Sirius and James looked like brothers? That would mean that they all look a lot alike - or did when they were Harry's age (except maybe Snape didn't look that much like the other four when he was younger).

If you can think of other similarities, let me know.

Where does McGonagall fit into this?

1. We don't know what kind of upbringing she has. However, she does choose to stay at Hogwarts for the Holidays. Maybe that's a clue that she has no real home to go to.

2. If she has a hot temper, she certainly keeps it in check.

3. I've never noticed McGonagall showing any Slytherin traits.

4. She is certainly brave.

5. Other than black hair, I don't know of any striking physical similarities between McGonagall and Harry.

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Lenka - Sep 24, 2003 2:06 am (#42 of 196)

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quote: If she has a hot temper, she certainly keeps it in check.

Er... most of the time. Remember how she yelled at Fudge in GoF?

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fidelio - Sep 24, 2003 6:57 am (#43 of 196)

Quote: 1. Sirius, Tom, Snape and Harry were all raised in dysfunctional homes (James seems to be the exception, since Sirius ended up living there and being treated as a son).

Huh? I don't get this. Tom Riddle grew up in an orphanage. While this sort of institution, especially pre WWII, was often a lot more rigid and formal than the most are now [a family-based model, with houseparents acting as surrogates to a small group of children, is common now], that doesn't mean it was dysfunctional. Tom's big complaint about it seems to have been that it was a Muggle institution, and that when he was there he was surrounded by Muggles, and didn't feel happy there, especially as he got older and was more aware of his magical potential.

Sirius became highly annoyed with his parents, and left--but that doesn't mean the Black family was what we'd call a truly dysfunctional one. From what he told Harry, many of the problems were based on the conflicts between his parents' political opinions and the different one he was picking up while hanging around that Potter boy. We have so little information about the Blacks that we just can't evaluate their home situation. Mrs. Black, in the painting, is a mad, unpleasant old woman, who was widowed, had had one son killed, another publically disgraced and imprisoned, and was, from what we can tell, isolated from most of the people she knew before she died. She may have been a lot easier to take when things were better--although she was probably always a my-way-or-the-highway sort. This doesn't automatically mean 'dysfunctional family'.

We've seen a tiny snippet of Snape's memories, showing a family quarrel, without context. A lot of things about the adult Snape are suggestive of someone who grew up in an unhealthy environment, emotionally speaking, and I think it's probably safe to say that JKR meant to suggest that his family background was what we call dysfuctional, but we do not know this for an absolute certainty.

I'll give you the Dursleys, though.

Dysfunctional family, though, means one with unstable or unhealthy interpersonal relationships. It doesn't mean that the parents have opinions, such as racism, that have become [rightly] abhorrent to most people nowadays. They may be wrong to have such opinions, but it does not follow that their family will be dysfunctional as a result. It's even possible for the children to end up with very different opinions about such things, and for the family to still function well. Also, many families may at some time or another appear dysfunctional--often when the children are adolescents, and are beginning to question their parents' values and standards, as they grow up. It's possible the Blacks fell into this category, and that the results of VWI kept them from progressing into a resolution of their disagreements.

As far as other physical resemblances, Sirius' hair was described as dirty and matted, but not ever, as far as I can recall, as greasy. JKR leaves me uncertain whether Snape suffers from the fine hair/oily scalp combination that results in instant greasy hair, about an hour after washing, whether his standards of hair care are as Victorian as most of the other things about him, or if he's misusing the styling products.

Sirius lost a lot of his good looks in Azkaban, as did his cousin Bellatrix [who had thick, dark shining hair at her trial], but the one real similarity I seem to recall, besides coloring, between him and Snape in later years is in the eyes--Sirius's eyes are described as dead-looking several times, and JKR makes similar references to Snape's, especially in his first appearance in PS/SS. However, the implication is that Sirius has good looks to lose, while Snape seems to fall into the category of "his face has a lot of character", and possibly into the sub-group of that category called "his looks have improved with age". (In the area of family coloring tendencies, it's worth noting that Nymphadora, based on eye color, may have the same coloring [allowing for her hair color games] as Sirius, and probably Bellatrix, although Narcissa is blonde--whether naturally or not we don't know.)

Slytherin traits? Are we talking about the ones DD described to Harry in CoS, there at the end? Or are you thinking of some other Slytherin traits, popkin?

As for McGonagall--she could be at Hogwarts for the holidays because she doesn't want to leave the students there alone--out of concern for their welfare, or knowing Fred and George, the damage they can do if left unchecked! It's also possible she and DD are married [what's an 80 year age difference where true love is concerned! ]and where he goes, she goes. Where the temper is concerned, I'd say hers is pretty formidable, even if she's learned to but a bridle on it over the years.

Interestingly, if you consider hair and facial coloring under the medieval theory of the humors, dark coloring is suggestive of the melancholic type, who are generally irritable, witty, brooding, likely to carry a grudge, and at times depressed. Fair-haired and skinned types [phlegmatic] are supposed to be calm and easy-going, shading over into downright indifference, while ordinary "healthy" coloring [sanguine]is suggestive of an optimistic outlook and a quick temper, which is regained as quickly as it's lost. The downright red-faced [choleric] are bad-tempered and often given to violent rages, and are intemperate generally. For the first group, your dark-haired men, and woman fit the bill. For the second, consider Luna Lovegood, and perhaps Neville as well. For the third, think of the Weasleys and Hermione. And for the fourth, think of Vernon Dursley and his sister Marge.

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Weeny Owl - Sep 24, 2003 10:56 am (#44 of 196)

fidelio - "Interestingly, if you consider hair and facial coloring under the medieval theory of the humors, dark coloring is suggestive of the melancholic type, who are generally irritable, witty, brooding, likely to carry a grudge, and at times depressed."

Hmmm... you've just described Heathcliff.

Your descriptions of coloring and personality traits are intriguing... especially the Vernon and Marge comparison.

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popkin - Sep 24, 2003 12:55 pm (#45 of 196)

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Quote from fidelio: "Slytherin traits? Are we talking about the ones DD described to Harry in CoS, there at the end? Or are you thinking of some other Slytherin traits, popkin?"

At the time I wrote it, I was thinking of the scene when James and Sirius torture Snivellus. That was very similar to the DE's when they torture the park manager's family at the world cup. And they did it "because he exists", making their motivation pretty much identical to the DE's.

Riddle is the heir of Slytherin. It has been debated that Harry is also an heir of Slytherin, and there are many valid reasons to think he could be - parseltongue, the Sorting Hat wanted to put him there, physical resemblance to Riddle, etc. And, of course, Snape is the head of Slytherin House.

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timrew - Sep 24, 2003 1:04 pm (#46 of 196)

Middle-aged Harry Potter fan
It's all very well trying to find out about people's personality by their hair colouring; but how are we to judge Kingsley Shacklebolt? I think he must be the first completely bald person to appear in the Harry Potter books.

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fidelio - Sep 24, 2003 1:06 pm (#47 of 196)

He's hiding something, obviously.

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schoff - Sep 24, 2003 1:51 pm (#48 of 196)

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Edited by Sep 24, 2003 1:52 pm
Popkin: How 'bout this for Firenze (and yes, I know it's quite a stretch!) but Firenze has white blond hair, and Hedwig's a snowy white owl. They're both messengers, in a way...

BTW--I can't seem to find a hair description for Trelawney. Does anyone know?

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Lenka - Sep 24, 2003 2:00 pm (#49 of 196)

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Does it ever state Sirius's hair is black? I know that's a weird question, but I searched PoA, and it's describes as matted, filthy, tangled, but not black. I haven't looked into the other books, but is it possible we just assumed, by his name and his animagus form, that his hair is that particular color?

Oh yeah, and as for Dumbledore and McGonagall being married - would he call her "Professor McGonagall" in PS then?

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schoff - Sep 24, 2003 2:16 pm (#50 of 196)

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Lenka: Yes, it does. Sirius' hair is described as black in GoF, US, Ch27, 521. I think OoP has a reference to it somewhere, too.
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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Sep 24, 2003 3:37 pm (#51 of 196)
Oh and what about waxy skin? Sirius has it in PoA (UK 258, ch 17), and isn't Snape described as having waxy skin somewhere? This could just be an extension of the "dead looking" skin tho too.

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schoff - Sep 24, 2003 8:21 pm (#52 of 196)

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Random notes:

Wormtail is a balding man with grey hair (GoF, US, ch1, 13). Moody has grizzled, dark grey hair (GoF, US, ch12, 184). Don't know how they'd connect to Lupin and Hooch, though. Course, the balding might tie Wormtail to Voldemort (who I can't actually find the word "bald" used to describe him) or Kingsley.

Fang's an enormous black boarhound (PS, US, ch8, 140). Sirius was also an enormous black dog.

Petunia, Dudley, Draco, and Lucius are all blond(e), and we're suppose to dislike their characters, and be suspicious whenever we see them.

Still can't find Trelawney...

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Lenka - Sep 24, 2003 9:00 pm (#53 of 196)

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Actually, didn't someone say blond was for men and blondE for women? Because Dudley's constantly described as "blonde". Maybe one of JK's subtle jokes?

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Madame Librarian - Sep 25, 2003 4:56 am (#54 of 196)

Very observant, Lenka! Yes, I did the "e/no e" post. Wonder if that's intentional about Dud with an "e" (I'd like to buy a vowel) or a typo. As I said the usage of the French distinction is a sometimes thing in English. Maybe a proofreader or editor wasn't on the ball or didn't care. On the other hand...that would quality as the most subtle clue of all if it does bode something strange about Dud. However, I'd be really surprised given that some of JKR's younger fans might need to ask some awkward questions to their parents. Curious and curiouser.

Ciao. Barb

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skh - Sep 25, 2003 6:27 am (#55 of 196)

As Barb mentioned, the whole blondE thing is from the French and wasn't JKR a French teacher? Also, JKR seems to me to be quite "Old World" in her use of language and so on, so that would also fit... Amused at the blonE Dudders!!!

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Dr Filibuster - Sep 25, 2003 3:47 pm (#56 of 196)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
Poor Dudley, he also looks ike a pig-in-a-wig. Does anyone else where a wig other than Gilderoy?

I think Trelawney covers her hair up with floaty scarves...adds to her mystique.

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Lenka - Sep 26, 2003 4:47 am (#57 of 196)

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Gilderoy wears a wig? *raises eyebrows*

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Dr Filibuster - Sep 26, 2003 11:26 am (#58 of 196)

Sue, from Northwich, England.
Oh my goodness! I think I've been contaminated by the movie. There's a wig in the film. I spelt wear as where too. That's the last time I post so late! Now I'm running off to read the Chamber of Secrets again.

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popkin - Sep 26, 2003 9:30 pm (#59 of 196)

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Gilderoy does wear curlers. Does anyone else wear curlers? Does Umbridge?

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Lenka - Oct 2, 2003 4:31 pm (#60 of 196)

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Gilderoy wears a hairnet, and so does McGonagall. I've no idea haow I made that connection, btw.

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timrew - Oct 2, 2003 4:49 pm (#61 of 196)

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Umbridge makes my toes curl. Does that count?

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popkin - Oct 2, 2003 8:23 pm (#62 of 196)

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timrew, you're on a roll today. That made me laugh out loud.

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Lenka - Oct 5, 2003 2:29 pm (#63 of 196)

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Smile

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popkin - Oct 5, 2003 5:32 pm (#64 of 196)

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I had a thought about Snape's greasy hair. When Hagrid added grease to his hair, he was carrying a torch for Madame Maxime. Maybe the grease means he's deeply in love with someone.

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Maria H. - Oct 5, 2003 7:11 pm (#65 of 196)

Schoff Wrote: "Sturgis Podmore and Barty Crouch, Jr. Both characters are tied together by their common hair color: Straw. JKR could have used any number of other adjectives to describe blond hair, but she deliberately used the same word twice. Since Rule #1 does not advance the plot, I’m going to discount it. However, is Rule #2 at work here? Crouch, Jr. was a traitor working for Voldemort. Could this mean Sturgis is a traitor also?"

Or maybe that's backwards. Wasn't Sturgis put under the imperious curse and/or framed? Maybe this is a clue that Crouch Jr. was, too.

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Lenka - Oct 5, 2003 7:39 pm (#66 of 196)

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Didn't we all hear (read?) Crouch confess?

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fidelio - Oct 6, 2003 12:07 pm (#67 of 196)

We did witness his confession, in which he mentions--he was under an imperius curse! So, apparently was Sturgis Podmore. Maybe straw-colored hair isn't a sign of a Really Evil Bad Guy--but an indicator that someone has been, or will be, under an imperius curse. Granted, Barty was placed under this by his father, who was more or less a Good Guy, and Sturgis was apparently cursed by Lucius, or one of the other Bad Guys, so it doesn't indicate anything about the circumstances. Am I grasping at straws here, or what?

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Lenka - Oct 6, 2003 12:23 pm (#68 of 196)

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I'm still sure there's something fishy about Sturgis... we hear aboutn him a lot, we we don't really see him too much, do we?

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popkin - Oct 6, 2003 2:37 pm (#69 of 196)

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I'm wondering if Tonks is setting Sturgis up. It seems every time he's discussed she's got curly hair of some type. He doesn't turn up to take Harry to the train, and she's got grey hair in tight curls. Moody says Sturgis hasn't returned his invisibility cloak and on the same page Tonks has blonde curly hair (page # posted above).

I hope I've accurately written about this, because I didn't look it up before I posted it. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

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Hem Hem - Oct 9, 2003 10:41 pm (#70 of 196)

If JKR planted all those references as clues to that, I'll be blown away. I'm never going to look at another scene in which Tonks has curly hair in the same way again....

Even if you don't end up being correct, this theory's approach is really intruiging, and sounds like it has a lot of merit.

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Oct 14, 2003 4:51 pm (#71 of 196)

With a cahracter that can change appearance like Tonks, I can very easily see JKR using this to foreshadow, etc when she picks a certain color or characteristic of her hair. Good point popkin. This is really interesting. I'm going to have to go look this up now...

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schoff - Oct 15, 2003 12:06 am (#72 of 196)

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Edited by Oct 15, 2003 12:07 am
I hope I've accurately written about this, because I didn't look it up before I posted it. If I'm wrong, please let me know.

Nope, you're right, Popkin. I posted on the "Tonks" thread about being suspicious when Tonks keeps questioning Harry about his dream about Arthur and the Snake. Her hair, though, was short and bright pink so I'm not sure if there was anything odd about her interest.

Let me try and list some of Tonks' hair and when it was used:

short, spiky, violet: Picking up Harry at Privet Drive (ch3 US47)

Bubblegum pink: Cleaning Harry's room (ch3 US52)

Blonde, curly: Morning of Harry's trial; Sturgis mentioned; begs off night duty next night (ch7 US122)

Tomato-red, waist length (described as looking like Ginny's older sister): Party celebrating Harry's not guilty verdict and Ron and Hermione becoming prefects; talking about why she wasn't chosen prefect (ch9 US170)

Gray, tightly curled, wearing purple hat shaped like a porkpie: Taking trio to Platform 9 3/4; Sturgis missing (ch10 US181)

Short, bright pink: Going to visit Arthur; questions Harry about dream (ch22 US482)

Iron-gray (an aside comment from narrator): Returning to Hogwarts on Knight Bus (ch24 US534)

Oddly, not mentioned in the DoM fight

Bright, bubblegum pink: Welcome Party (ch38 US867)

Okay, here are my questions: Did I miss any hair mentions? What other things could be important during the episodes where her hair is mentioned that I missed? Could we correlate any activities or behaviors when her hair style is used more than once (ie pink, short, etc.)

Thoughts?

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popkin - Oct 15, 2003 8:30 am (#73 of 196)

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Iron Gray.... Do we know any other character with "iron gray" hair?

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schoff - Oct 15, 2003 9:34 am (#74 of 196)

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Edited by Oct 15, 2003 9:35 am
Okay, this is really irritating...The only mention of Trelawney's hair that I can find is in OoP during her "eviction"(ch26 US594) "Her hair was sticking up on end..." It's suspicious to me that there is no other mention of her hair!

I'm beginning to think Trelawney connects to others by her eyes and not her hair. They are always described as huge, magnified by her glasses. This is pretty much the same description of Ollivander's and Luna's eyes. Maybe Luna is a seer? Are Ginny or Ron's eyes ever described as huge?

EDIT: Because I just saw popkin's post. The only gray I've found so far are the following:

Wormtail is a balding man with grey hair (GoF, US, ch1, 13).
Moody has grizzled, dark grey hair (GoF, US, ch12, 184).
Lupin's hair is light brown, but prematurely grey (PoA Ch5).
Madam Hooch has short, grey hair (PS ch9)

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Weeny Owl - Oct 15, 2003 9:40 am (#75 of 196)

schoff:

What color is Umbridge's hair? I haven't found it yet, but I'll keep looking.

Umbridge is described as having bulging eyes and pointed teeth aside from looking like a toad. I do remember her hair is curly, but not what color it is.

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Ladybug220 - Oct 15, 2003 10:14 am (#76 of 196)

...moves faster than Severus Snape confronted with shampoo
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Maybe Umbridge's hair is a nice shade of green since she is so toad-like.

Sorry, I had to do it

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Weeny Owl - Oct 15, 2003 10:55 am (#77 of 196)

Sorry, Ladybug, but I finally found it... short, curly, mouse-brown hair. It's in the chapter, "The Sorting Hat's New Song."

Although I'm sure there's a slight tint of green somewhere on her.

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popkin - Oct 15, 2003 3:12 pm (#78 of 196)

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Don't the Creavy Brothers also have mousy brown hair?

Could they have something in common with Umbridge?

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schoff - Oct 15, 2003 10:53 pm (#79 of 196)

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Colin Creevey is mousy-haired. No color mentioned. (CS ch6 US96)
Dennis Creevey is mousy-haired. No color mentioned. (GF ch12 US176)

I thought it might be interesting to note that Justin Finch-Fletchley also has curly hair. (CS ch6 US93)

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popkin - Oct 15, 2003 11:07 pm (#80 of 196)

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Isn't Justin Finch-Fletchley a Hufflepuff, and therefore a team player? It seems unlikely he actually has "evil" curly hair. Hmmmmm.... What do you think? Could Justin become a traitor to the DA?

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schoff - Oct 15, 2003 11:30 pm (#81 of 196)

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Edited by Oct 15, 2003 11:33 pm
Shoot! Popkin you beat me to it! I was just going to mention the Traitor in the DA! How'd I miss your post??

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popkin - Oct 16, 2003 12:05 am (#82 of 196)

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Edited by Oct 16, 2003 12:06 am
schoff, feel free to post your thoughts with my blessing. I already spend enough time on the forum to feel very guilty about it - and I am not currently following the DA thread.

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Lenka - Oct 17, 2003 4:48 am (#83 of 196)

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I think Justin had curly hair because he thought Harry was the Heir of Slytherin, meaning he wasn't too nice ot Harry...

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megfox - Oct 19, 2003 10:42 am (#84 of 196)

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I always assumed that describing someone as "mousy haired" meant that they had a generic, browny color to thier hair. Not dark brown, more like an ashy, almost dark dirty blond kind of hair color. Kind of like a wild mouse's coat.

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fidelio - Oct 19, 2003 11:24 am (#85 of 196)

So did I--just a sort of 'there' color--nothing very exciting, not light enough to be blond, not reddish enough to be chestnut, not dark--almost a generic 'hair-colored hair'!

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Madame Librarian - Oct 19, 2003 12:05 pm (#86 of 196)

Mousy haired = medium brown, no highlights (Clairol, here I come).

Mousy haired = same as above plus a collateral implication of a "blah" personality (don't ask me why, just a mental image I get when I hear the phrase).

Mousy haired = typo for moussy haired, too much goop used that morning (just kidding).

Ciao. Barb

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schoff - Oct 19, 2003 2:22 pm (#87 of 196)

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I guess I just thought that "mousy hair" is limp (and fine) hair, while "mouse colored hair" is a dull brown.

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timrew - Oct 21, 2003 4:41 pm (#88 of 196)

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How to tell if you have mousy hair.....

Place one mouse on your head. If you can't find it again, you have mousy hair.

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Hem Hem - Oct 21, 2003 6:02 pm (#89 of 196)

You know, Tim, I actually imagined it was something along those lines (too bad I didn't imagine it with the humor!). I always thought mousy hair was shapelessly frizzy, and that mousy-colored hair was blah colored.

If so, the Creevy brothers are not evil, but Umbridge is.

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Mare - Oct 24, 2003 5:34 pm (#90 of 196)

Umbridge is evil???? Gee now that is so clever, I could have never been able to come up with that!

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Susurro Notities - Oct 28, 2003 10:26 pm (#91 of 196)

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Is hair color accurately portrayed in the movies? If not is it really significant or is it given only as a prompt for how to view the character? As in mousy brown hair = mousy personality.

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popkin - Oct 29, 2003 3:13 am (#92 of 196)

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Edited by Oct 29, 2003 2:15 am
In some instances hair color is very much the same in the movies as in the books (Lucius and Draco Malfoy, Snape, Riddle, Dumbledore, Weasleys). However, sometimes it is not. The Dursleys, for example, are all supposed to have blonde hair, but Dudley's and Petunia's hair is black, and Vernon's hair is brown in the movies. Hair texture is also inconsistent with the descriptions in the book. Hagrid and Hermione are both described with bushy hair, but only Hagrid's is bushy in the movies. And Harry's hair is supposed to be completely unmanageable. It really bugs me when I see it laying flat in the movies. I'm surprised JKR let that go since it's mentioned so often in her books.

So, maybe for some characters hair color and texture is more important than for others.

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Sinister Kittens - Oct 29, 2003 3:18 am (#93 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
popkin - i'm so glad i'm not the only one that gets annoyed with Harrys hair being flat and Hermiones looking like it has just been crimped! I keep wanting to scream at my TV - Get Some Gel!

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Catherine - Oct 29, 2003 7:07 am (#94 of 196)

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Popkin and Kittens, you made me giggle out loud. My husband always says that my mom and I are too obsessive about hair, but apparently other people see its importance!

For some reason it bothered me that the actor that was cast as Justin Finch-Fletchley had dark straight hair instead of lighter curly hair. I know, I know, he's been a minor character.

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popkin - Oct 29, 2003 8:22 am (#95 of 196)

mother
Catherine, did you read my post(s) where I suggested we divide the books up and record every instance where hair is mentioned and make a spreadsheet so we could make connections? I don't discuss my HP obsessions with my husband very much. If I go overboard on this forum, you can imagine how the eyerolls fly here at home.

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Oct 29, 2003 3:58 pm (#96 of 196)

Did anyone get around to making the spreadsheet? If they did, is it posted anywhere on the forum to look at yet? I was sort of wondering about that...

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popkin - Oct 29, 2003 4:29 pm (#97 of 196)

mother
I thought I was the only person who wanted to work on it, and I didn't want to tackle it alone.

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schoff - Oct 29, 2003 11:36 pm (#98 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Yeah, popkin. I started, then thought better of it when I realized how HUGE it would be. You've got to list every single character, which is enough of a task. Plus, I can't figure out how to organize it. I didn't think a spreadsheet format would work. I've been posting random notices of hair on this thread, mainly for the time when I get around to it, I can just copy it off this thread and put in some semblence of an order.

Another problem is going through all 5 books and finding the hair references. Most of them are pretty obscure. Maybe people could take a book, and list them as they re-read it. Then we could put them all together. Or maybe people could take chapters? Any other ideas?

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popkin - Oct 30, 2003 6:54 am (#99 of 196)

mother
schoff, if you want to be the collector of the info, I'll start providing it chapter by chapter as I reread books. I think it will be very important to reference every instance of hair description (book, translation, chapter, page) so that we can readily use the information we gather.

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Sinister Kittens - Oct 30, 2003 7:35 am (#100 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
I don't mind doing some as I re-read, I just finished chapter two of PoA last night and am just about to start Chapter 3 (obviously) so I can start there if you like? I won't get much of a chance to read this weekend but I will probably have next week....
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Peregrine - Oct 30, 2003 9:33 am (#101 of 196)
I’ll volunteer too. I’m on chapter 28 of OoP, so I can start from there and then read whatever else I need to when I’m done.

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schoff - Oct 30, 2003 1:11 pm (#102 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
If you guys want to either e-mail me or post it here, I'll collect it and try and organize it. The only thing I ask is that you include Book, Chapter, and page number (and whether it's US or UK) so I don't have to look for the reference. I'll go back over this thread and see if I can't gleam some info from previous posts. Oh! Let me know if you've completed the whole chapter too!

Also--Just in case: Try not to skip a reference, please. I think it's important if a hair quality is confirmed more than once.

Thanks! And Good Luck on your Missions!

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schoff - Oct 30, 2003 2:20 pm (#103 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I just wanted to add that I think we should do animals too.

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S.E. Jones - Oct 30, 2003 8:12 pm (#104 of 196)

Let it snow!
Can I ask an honest question without being pelted with turnips and other vegetables? What's the main theory here, that hair color will tell us about familial relationships between characters?

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Oct 30, 2003 9:03 pm (#105 of 196)

Well, I think that we're using two main rasons for it: familial references as well as coinciding plots/destinies or the like.

Just a thought on the organization idea: Maybe we could organize it by hair color or characteristics (such as curly, etc.) so that it is easier to see similarities and compare. This way we can look easily down a column and see all the people with grey curly hair, or mousy hair, etc. I was planning on re-reading PoA thru OotP to prep for the movie this June (this way I'll be able to read them several times before then Wink), so I can start at the beginning of PoA and post refernces here.

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Susurro Notities - Oct 30, 2003 9:20 pm (#106 of 196)

Hair references from the first two books should be correlated to hair colors in the movies. I think that if the hair color of a character was important JKR would insist that the actor playing the character would have the correct hair color (or have it dyed for the movie). The field of characters where hair color is important or key to the story development could be limited a bit by noting differences between book and movie color.

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popkin - Oct 31, 2003 12:37 am (#107 of 196)

mother
Susurro, I can see JKR letting go of her control of hair color (as well as clothing styles, accents and other surface character details) in the movies as a bargaining chip to retain control of things she felt were more important. But that wouldn't mean that certain hair references in the book were unimportant - just not as important as other details.

Take Harry's hair for example. JKR obviously has a very clear picture of it in her mind, and it's important to her because she mentions it several times in every book. But in both movies made so far, Harry's hair is completely different from JKR's descriptions. I can just see JKR meeting with Columbus over coffee and saying something like, "Well, okay, if you have to neaten up Harry's appearance I guess I'll allow that, but his scar has to look exactly like this" and she draws a picture on a napkin.

I'd rather not try to draw any conclusions from the way characters' hair is portrayed in the movies.

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Sinister Kittens - Oct 31, 2003 3:17 am (#108 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
schoff - one quick question before everyone embarks on this slightly mad, mega-mission.... do we really have to note every time that Harry flattens his fringe? This seems to be a bit of a nervous habit and I can envisage your spreadsheet being FULL of these references!

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Susurro Notities - Oct 31, 2003 9:04 am (#109 of 196)

Edited by Oct 31, 2003 8:06 am
I see your point popkin. Still once your data is collected you might want to look for correlations in the movies. I can't believe that if the character's hair color was really important JKR would consent to changing it for the movie - after all it only takes a bit of dye.

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Peregrine - Oct 31, 2003 9:46 am (#110 of 196)

Well, it won’t take long to match up hair color to the actors so I’ll go ahead and do that this weekend (I was planning on watching them anyway). Then we’ll have it if we want it.

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schoff - Oct 31, 2003 6:01 pm (#111 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
eh-SK, I hadn't thought of that....I'm just worried about missing an extra clue if their hair is in a different style (or expanded on a bit). You're probably right though.....

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Nov 1, 2003 1:30 pm (#112 of 196)

I think rather than every mention of hair, it could iclude more like every mention of characteristics of that hair. This way, if it says something like "they pushed their hair out of the way to see Snape's chalk board" we can probably discard it, but if it said "they pushed their mousy-colored bushy bair out of the way..." we should include it.

We could also just put in the color of the hair in the movies if it is different, that way it's more obcious, and MIGHT be a clue that the hair color for that certain character might not be as important. I am a firm believer in color symbolism, so I think it would be important to point out differences, as it could change meaning. Like in the Great Gatsby movie when they made Gatsby's car WHITE and not YELLOW, it totally irked me becuase it messed up all the pretty symbolism for Gatsby and then it just didn't work Sad...

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schoff - Nov 1, 2003 1:45 pm (#113 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
I think rather than every mention of hair, it could iclude more like every mention of characteristics of that hair. This way, if it says something like "they pushed their hair out of the way to see Snape's chalk board" we can probably discard it, but if it said "they pushed their mousy-colored bushy bair out of the way..." we should include it.

Thank you, Jazhara! That was what I was aiming for!

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Peregrine - Nov 1, 2003 5:56 pm (#114 of 196)

Okay, I finished taking notes on OoP-–chapters 28-the end. (Schoff, I’m emailing the rest of the quotes to you now, let me know if you don’t get them–or the ones I sent the other day.) I would do the beginning of the book, but I have a feeling that since I just read it, I may not pay enough attention to what I’m reading to take notes. Anyway, I thought I’d start CoS if no one else is already doing it.

(Can you tell my boss spends a lot of time out of the office, giving me loads of time to goof off, er, I mean, do HP research?)

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Peregrine - Nov 3, 2003 2:39 pm (#115 of 196)

I've noticed one thing so far (oddly enough when I was reading about centaurs). The characters with black hair tend to be very willful, powerful and aggressive: Harry, James, Snape, Sirius, Vernon, McGonagall, Riddle and Magorian (the centaur). And it’s these characters that tend to butt heads a lot…James and Sirius vs. Snape, McGonagall vs. Snape, Harry vs. Snape and Vernon and Riddle. I don’t know, maybe I’m grasping at straws, but there’s something about these characters that all seems very similar.

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popkin - Nov 5, 2003 1:29 am (#116 of 196)

mother
Hi, Tim. I hope the daunting task of organizing all the hair info is something you really enjoy. Following is every hair reference in chapter 11 of OotP.

Page 203: Umbridge: short, curly mouse-brown hair with a “horrible pink Alice band that matched the fluffy pink cardigan she wore over her robes.”

Page 208: Dumbledore “threw his long beard over his shoulder”

Page 211: Professor Sprout: fly-away hair.

Page 212: Professor McGonnagal: dark eyebrows – “hawklike”

Page 215: Blond first year Gryffindor (next to Euan Ambercrombie after the feast).

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popkin - Nov 6, 2003 3:20 pm (#117 of 196)

mother
Edited by Nov 6, 2003 2:21 pm
Chapter 12 of OotP, US, had only one reference to hair: Page 224 Angelina had "long braided hair". There was almost a reference on page 228: Umbridge had a "black velvet bow" on her head that looked like a fly on a toad.

Chapter 13 of OotP, US:
Page 251 Crookshanks like a "furry ginger cushion"
Page 254 First Year Hogwarts student, girl, lying at george's feet after taking fainting fancy, "dark-haired girl"
Page 254 Hermione "bushy" hair
Page 261 Luna's hair was "tied in a knot on the top of her head"

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Peregrine - Nov 6, 2003 6:16 pm (#118 of 196)

Okay, I've just emailed schoff the rest of my notes for CoS so that book is done (I'll post them up here too, if anyone wants them--but just a warning, it'll be long). I'm going to start with SS/PS tomorrow unless someone else is already doing it. Let me know.

One weird thing I noticed in CoS--we never learn what color Lucius' hair is. I could have sworn it was blond. Maybe it says so in GoF... either that or I've been corrupted by the movie.

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Hem Hem - Nov 6, 2003 8:57 pm (#119 of 196)

"A pale boy with a pointed face and white-blond hair, Draco greatly resembled his father..." (GoF Ch8)

Isn't it comforting to know that you weren't corrupted by the movie?

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Lenka - Nov 7, 2003 7:32 am (#120 of 196)

ahhhh essays
It said it's blond in OoP, after Harry's disciplinary reading.

Lenka

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Peregrine - Nov 7, 2003 9:35 am (#121 of 196)

Thanks! I was sure I thought he was blond before the movie came out. It is comforting to know I’m not going mad.

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Lenka - Nov 7, 2003 1:31 pm (#122 of 196)

ahhhh essays
Oh, btw, I think it sais somewhere in OoP Ginny had waist-length, tomato-colored hair. Or maybe it was Tonks, and it said Tonks looked like Ginny's older sister. That might be it.

I need to read the book again.

Lenka

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Emily - Nov 7, 2003 5:47 pm (#123 of 196)

I'll do chapter 1 and 2 of PoA. I understand the point, but it still seems crazy. I can just see Rowling deciding to visit one of her fan's forums while surfing the web, coming upon us, and laughing insanely - " *triumphant voice* Ha! I led them off my path with all the hair references, while it's really hands that are important! " Just joking. Still, crazy certainly seems to equal fun in this case....All right, be back in 2 hours or so😁.

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Emily - Nov 8, 2003 11:04 am (#124 of 196)

Back again, and sorry I'm so late. I got sidetracked(Idid chapters 3 and 4, too) and by the time I was done, the computer had been taken over...oh well, I'm here.

Prisoner of Azkaban, US edition

Chapter 1
page 6 (about Harry) ...His jet black hair, however, was just as it hd always been - stubbornly untidy, whatever he did to it.

page 9 (about the Weasleys) Plump little Mrs. Weasley; tall, balding Mr. Weasley; six sons; one daughter, all (though the black-and-white picture didn't show it) with flaming red hair.

page 10 (about Percy) He had pinned his Head Boy badge to the fez perched jauntily on top of his neat hair, his horn-rimmed glasses flashing in the Egyptian sun.

Chapter 2
page 17 (by Vernon Dursley, about Sirius, then Harry) "Look at the state of him, the filthy layabout! Look at his hair!" He shot a nasty look sideways at Harry, whose untidy hair had always been a source of great annoyance to Uncle Vernon.

also page 17 (about Sirius) Compared to the man on the telivision, however, whose gaunt face was surrounded by a matted, elbow length tangle, Harry felt very well groomed indeed.
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page 19 (about Dudley) "Dudley's got to make himself smart for his auntie," said Aunt Petunia, smoothing Dudley's thick blond hair.

page 22 (about Dudley) Dudley came waddling down the hall, his blond hair plastered to his head, a bow tie just visible under his many chins.

Chapter 3
page 37 (about Sirius) A large photograph of a sunken faced man with long, matted hair blinked slowly at Harry from the front page.

Also note that Harry flattened his bangs nervousley three times. I did not bother to take page numbers.

Chapter 4
Note - I did not bother to describe any of the animals in thr Magical Menagerie, including Crook shanks when he attacked Ron.(He was only described as big and orange anyway, I think.)

page 60 (about Hermione/Crookshanks) Her arms were clamped tightly around the enormous ginger cat.

page 60 (Crookshanks) The cat's ginger fur was thick and fluffy.

I'll get back soon with 5, 6, and 7. You know, this is pretty fun. Bye.

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Sinister Kittens - Nov 10, 2003 6:06 am (#125 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Okay, I tried to email this a few times but to no avail, so I have cut and pasted it here...

Okay, I have been walking around with these notes in my jacket pocket for ages, I just haven’t yet had had the chance to type them up!

All of these are from the UK edition, Chapter 5 – There is no mention of hair colour in chapter 6 – the italics are all mine.

Chap 5. P. 57 – Penelope Clearwater is described as a “girl with long, curly hair…”

P. 59 – Remus Lupin “Though he seemed quite young, his light brown was flecked with grey”

P. 63 – Descriptive narrative on Crabbe & Goyle. They were both wide and muscly; Crabbe was the taller, with a pudding basic haircut and a very thick neck; Goyle had short bristly hair, and long, gorilla arms.

P. 69 – Prof. McGonagall … “she was a stern looking witch who wore her hair in a tight bun; her sharp eyes were framed with square spectacles…”

P. 71 – Description of DD …”He had several feet of long silver hair and beard, half-moon spectacles and an extremely crooked nose.”…

Marauder5 - if your happy to continue with the rest of PoA please let me know, I do not have alot of free time at the moment and it might take a while between posts. But I would be interested to know if the US edition describes Penelope Clearwater in the same way.

I do not hold to this idea either (sorry folks), I just thought that as I was reading the books again anyway I might as well help out... but now i'm starting to wonder about this evil curly hair thing ;-)

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Peregrine - Nov 10, 2003 11:49 am (#126 of 196)

I just wanted to make a list of all the finished chapters so no one winds up reading something that’s already done. Let me know if I missed anything:

Philosopher’s Stone – Done

Chamber of Secrets – Done

Prisoner of Azkaban – Ch. 1-6

Goblet of Fire – 0

Order of the Phoenix – Ch. 11-13, 28-38

Both Movies – Done

If there aren’t any objections to the length I’ll go ahead and post what I found for PS, COS, and OoP…I feel like I’m hoarding them by not posting them here. I’ll also start on GoF.

Oh, and, SK, Penelope Clearwater is described like that is CoS too—she doesn’t seem to have a hair color.

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schoff - Nov 10, 2003 12:12 pm (#127 of 196)

Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Edited by Nov 10, 2003 11:14 am
Just to let you guys know--I've got your e-mails, but life caught up with me this week. Hopefully I'll get done this week. I never realized how many references (and characters) there are! If you want to post here, I'll copy and paste it. I'm also trying to keep a running list of chapters that are done, and those that still need to be done.

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popkin - Nov 10, 2003 1:16 pm (#128 of 196)

mother
OotP, Chapter 14, US

Page 281: Mrs. Norris, skeletal gray cat

Page 284: Mr. Filch, his thin gray hair discheveled, he had obviously run here.

Page 288: Sturgis Podmore, (as observed by Ron) looks like his head's been thatched

Page 291: Angelina Johnson, "Hey, Johnson, what's with that hairstyle anyway?" shrieked Pansy Parkinson from below. "Why would anyone want to look like they've got worms coming out of their head?"
Angelina swept her long braided hair out of her face...

Page 301: Sirius, long dark hair falling around his grinning face

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Peregrine - Nov 11, 2003 9:28 am (#129 of 196)

Here are the references for CoS if anyone’s interested at taking a look (if it’s a bit too much, by all means delete these posts):

Chapters 1-6

“‘Do I look stupid?’ snarled Uncle Vernon, a bit of fried egg dangling from his bushy mustache.” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 1 US (7 UK)

“Uncle Vernon was large and neckless, with an enormous black mustache...Dudley was blond, pink and porky.... Harry on the other hand, was small and skinny, with brilliant green eyes and jet-black hair that was always untidy.” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 4 US (9 UK)

Ron - “And someone was goggling through the bars at [Harry]: a freckled-faced, red-haired, long-nosed someone.” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 23 US (23 UK)

Ginny - “At that moment there was a diversion in the form of a small red-headed figure in a long nightdress...” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 35 US (31UK)

Lockhart - “There was a big photograph on the front [of the book] of a very good-looking wizard with wavy blond hair and bright blue eyes.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 36 US (32 UK)

“[The gnome] was small and leathery looking with a large knobby , bald head exactly like a potato.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 37 US (33 UK)

“[Arthur] was a thin man, going bald, but the little hair he had was as red as any of his children’s.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 38 US (33 UK)

“[Ginny] nodded, blushing to the roots of her flaming hair, and put her elbow in the butter dish.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 44 US (38 UK)

Errol - “[Percy] sat down in the only remaining chair but leapt up again almost immediately, pulling from underneath him a moulting gray feather duster...” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 44 US (38-39 UK)

Borgin - “A stooping man had appeared behind the counter, smoothing his greasy hair back from his face.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 50 US (43 UK)

“[Hermione] ran down to meet [Harry and Hagrid], her bushy brown hair flying behind her.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 55 US (46 UK)

“‘Harry’ Mr. Weasley panted. ‘We hoped you’d only gone one grate too far....’ He mopped his glistening bald patch.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 55 US (46 UK)

“Ginny was among [the first years], easily visible because of her vivid Weasley hair.” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 77 US (61 UK)

Colin Creevey - “A very small, mousy-haired boy had been called forward to place the hat on his head. Harry’s eyes wandered past him to were Professor Dumbledore, the headmaster, sat watching the Sorting from the staff table, his long silver beard and half-moon glasses shining brightly in the candlelight...And there at the end was Hagrid, huge and hairy, drinking deeply from his goblet.” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 77 US (61 UK)

“[Snape] was a thin man with sallow skin, a hooked nose, and greasy, shoulder-length black hair...” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 78 US (62 UK)

“Professor Sprout was a squat little witch who wore a patched hat over her flyaway hair...Gilderoy Lockhart, however, was immaculate in sweeping robes of turquoise, his golden hair shining under a perfectly positioned turquoise hat with gold trimming.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 89 US (70 UK)

Justin Finch-Flethcley - “Harry, Ron and Hermione were joined at their tray by a curly-haired Hufflepuff boy Harry knew by sight but had never spoken to.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 93 US (73 UK)

Colin Creevey - “Looking up, [Harry] saw the very small mousy-haired boy he’d seen trying on the sorting hat last night...” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 96 US (75 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 11, 2003 9:32 am (#130 of 196)

Chapters 8-13

“Ginny Weasley, who had been looking pale, was bullied into taking [Pepperup potion] by Percy. The steam pouring from under her vivid hair gave the impression that her whole head was on fire.” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 122 US (94 UK)

“[Nearly Headless Nick] wore a dashing, plumed hat on his long curly hair...” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 123 US (94 UK)

“It was Mrs. Norris, the skeletal gray cat who was used by the caretaker...” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 124 US (95 UK)

“Fred had ‘rescued’ the brilliant orange, fire dwelling [salamander] from a Care of Magical Creatures class...” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 130 US (100 UK)

“[Moaning Myrtle] had the glummest face Harry had ever seen, half-hidden behind lank hair and thick pearly spectacles. -- Ch. 8, Pg. 134 US (102 UK)

“As they entered Lockhart’s darkened office there was a flurry of movement across the walls; Harry saw several of the Lockharts in the pictures dodging out of sight, their hair in rollers.” -- Ch. 9, Pg. 141 US (107 UK)

“Lockhart was getting unsteadily to his feet. His hat had fallen off and his wavy hair was standing on end.” -- Ch. 11, Pg. 190 US (143 UK)

Hannah Abbot - “‘You definitely think it is Potter, then, Ernie?’ said a girl with blonde pigtails anxiously.” -- Ch. 11, Pg. 198 US (148 UK)

“Professor McGonagall came running, followed by her own class, one of whom still had black-an-white-striped hair.” -- Ch. 11, Pg. 203 US (152 UK)

“‘[Fawkes is] really very handsome most of the time; wonderful red and gold plumage.’” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 206 US (155 UK)

“Once they were safely stowed among the buckets and mops, Harry yanked out a couple of the bristles that covered Goyle’s forehead and Ron pulled out several of Crabbe’s hairs.” -- Ch. 12, Pgs. 214-214 US (160-161 UK)

Polyjuice Potion Hair Color: Millicent/cat - “a sick sort of yellow” Goyle - “dark, murky brown” Crabbe - “the khaki color of a booger” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 216 US (161 UK)

“[Harry as Goyle] reached up to brush his hair out of his eyes and met only the short growth of wiry bristles, low on his forehead.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 217 US (162 UK)

“...Ron was indistinguishable from Crabbe, from the pudding-bowl haircut to the long, gorilla arms.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 217 US (162-163 UK)

Penelope Clearwater - “The words had barely left [Ron’s] mouth when a girl with long, curly hair emerged from the entrance.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 219 US (163 UK)

“Malfoy looked at [Ron]. So did Harry. Ron blushed. Even his hair was turning red.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 224 US (167 UK)

[Hermione’s] face was covered in black fur. Her eyes had turned yellow and there were long pointed ears poking through her hair.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 225 US (168 UK)

“His eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad/His hair is as dark as a blackboard…” – Ch. 13, Pg. 238 US (178 UK)

Professor Dippet – “A wizened, frail-looking wizard, bald except for a few wisps of white hair, was reading a letter by candlelight.” – Ch. 13 Pg. 242 US (181 UK)

“[Riddle] was much taller than Harry, but he, too, had jet-black hair.” – Ch. 13, Pg. 243 US (181 UK)

Younger Dumbledore – “[Riddle and Harry] didn’t see another person until they reached the entrance hall, when a tall wizard with long, sweeping auburn hair and a beard called Riddle from the marble staircase.” – Ch. 13, Pg. 245 US (183 UK)

Young Aragog – “A vast, low-slung, hairy body and a tangle of black legs; a gleam of many eyes and a pair of razor-sharp pincers…” – Ch. 13, Pg. 247 US (184 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 11, 2003 9:34 am (#131 of 196)

Chapters 14-18

Penelope Clearwater – “Madam Pomfrey was bending over a fifth-year girl with long, curly hair.” – Ch. 14, Pg. 257 US (190 UK)

“[Fudge] had rumpled gray hair and an anxious expression, and was wearing a strange mixture of clothes…” – Ch. 14, Pg. 260-261 US (193 UK)

“Hagrid leapt to his feet, his shaggy black head grazing the ceiling.” – Ch. 14, Pg. 263 US (194 UK)

“Spiders the size of carthorses, eight-eyes, eight-legged, black, hairy, gigantic.” – Ch. 15, Pg. 276 US (204 UK)

“There was gray in the black of [Aragog’s] body and legs, and each of the eyes on his ugly, pincered head was milky white.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 276 US (205 UK)

“Feet away, towering above [Harry] was a solid wall of spiders, clicking, their many eyes gleaming in their ugly black heads.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 279 US (207 UK)

“[Lockhart’s] hair wasn’t as sleek as usual; it seemed he had been up most of the night, patrolling the fourth floor.” – Ch. 16, Pg. 287 US (213 UK)

“‘Prepare his class,’ Ron sneered after [Lockhart]. ‘Gone to curl his hair, more like.’” – Ch. 16, Pg. 288 US (213 UK)

“The light slid over a gigantic snake skin, of a vivid, poisonous green, lying curled and empty across the tunnel floor.” – Ch. 16, Pg. 303 US (224 UK)

“[The statue of Slytherin] was ancient and monkeyish, with a long, thin beard that fell almost to the bottom of the wizard’s sweeping stone robes…between the feet, face down, lay a small, black-robed figure with flaming-red hair.” – Ch. 17, Pg. 307 US (226 UK)

Riddle – “A tall, black-haired boy was leaning against the nearest pillar, watching.” – Ch. 17, Pg. 307 US (227 UK)

Fawkes – “A crimson bird the size of a swan had appeared, piping its weird music to the vaulted ceiling. It had a glittering golden tail as long as a peacock’s and gleaming golden talons…it had a long, sharp golden beak and a beady black eye.” – Ch. 17, Pg. 315 US (232 UK)

Basilisk – “The enormous serpent, bright, poisonous green, thick as an oak trunk…” – Ch. 17, Pg. 318 US (234 UK)

“Led by Fawkes, whose wide scarlet wings emitted a soft golden glow in the darkness, they walked all the way back to the mouth of the pipe.” – Ch. 17, Pg. 324 US (238-239 UK)

“…Harry reached out and took hold of Fawke’s strangely hot tail feathers.” – Ch. 17, Pg. 325 US (239 UK)

“’Dear me’ said Dumbledore, shaking his head, his long silver mustache quivering. ‘Impaled upon your own sword, Gilderoy!’” – Ch. 18, Pg. 331 US (244 UK)

“’Did he now?’ said Dumbledore, looking thoughtfully at Harry from under his thick silver eyebrows.” – Ch. 18, Pg. 332 US (244 UK)

“Apparently Mr. Malfoy had set out in a great hurry, for not only were his shoes half-polished, but his usually sleek hair was disheveled.” – Ch. 18, Pg. 334 US (n/a UK--this entire paragraph is missing from the British version)

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shepherdess - Nov 12, 2003 12:33 am (#132 of 196)

55 year old mother of 3, step-mother of 2, grandmom to 3, living in Oklahoma
Is all this hair information going to be put into some kind of chart?

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Peregrine - Nov 12, 2003 10:35 am (#133 of 196)

Eventually. Once all the data’s in. Hee hee, “data”. I feel like I’m a research assistant or something.

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Peregrine - Nov 12, 2003 12:43 pm (#134 of 196)

Here’s Chapters 28-38 for OoP:

“[Snape’s] hair was lank and greasy and was flopping onto the table.” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 641 US (564 UK)

“Professor Flitwick was walking past a boy with untidy black hair...very untidy black hair...” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 641 US (565 UK)

“James’s hair stuck up at the back exactly as Harry’s did.... James yawned hugely and rumpled up his hair, making it even messier than it had been.” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 641 US (565 UK)

“[Sirius] was very good-looking; his dark hair fell into his eyes with a sort of casual elegance...” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 642 US (565 UK)

Wormtail - “...a small, mousy-haired boy with a pointed nose.” -- Ch. 28, Pg.642 US (566 UK)

“[Snape] walked in a twitchy manner that recalled a spider, his oily hair swinging (jumping--UK) about his face.” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 643 US (566 UK)

“[Lily] had thick dark red hair that fell to her shoulders...” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 647 US (570 UK)

“‘What is it?’ said Sirius urgently, sweeping his long dark hair out of his eyes...’” -- Ch. 29, Pg. 669 US (590 UK)

“In spite of the new door, somebody managed to slip a hairy-snouted niffler into Umbridge’s office...” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 677 US (597 UK)

“What Harry had taken to be a vast mossy boulder to the left of the great earthen mound he now recognized as Grawp’s head. It was much larger in proportion to the body than a human head, almost perfectly round and covered with tightly curling, close-growing hair the color of bracken.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 693 US (611 UK)

“Then they saw that [Magorian’s] waist joined smoothly with a horse’s chestnut body. This centaur had a proud, high-cheekboned face and long black hair.” -- Ch. 30, Pgs. 697-698 US (615 UK)

“Harry recognized the black-bodied and bearded Bane.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 698 US (615 UK)

A third centaur is mentioned only as “a gray centaur”. -- Ch. 30, Pg. 698 US(615 UK)

Professor Tofty - “[Flitwick] pointed Harry toward what looked like the oldest and baldest examiner...” -- Ch. 31, Pg. 713 US (629 UK)

“He was sitting right behind Parvati Patil, whose long dark hair fell below the back of her chair. Once or twice he found himself staring at the tiny golden lights that glistened in it...” -- Ch. 31, Pg. 724 US (640 UK)

“Ron strode away, his bright red hair visible right to the end of the passage. Meanwhile, Ginny’s equally vivid head bobbed between the jostling students surrounding them in the other direction, trailed by Luna’s blonde one.” -- Ch. 32, Pg. 738 US (651 UK)

“‘You took my last bottle to interrogate Potter,’ [Snape] said, surveying [Umbridge] coolly through his greasy curtains of black hair.” -- Ch. 32, Pg. 744 US (656 UK)

“An arrow flew so close to [Umbridge’s] head that it caught at her mousy hair in passing.” -- Ch. 33, Pg. 755 US (665 UK)

“Devoid of a wand, Harry braced himself to punch, kick, bite, or whatever else it took as [Grawp’s] hand flew toward him and knocked a snow-white centaur off his legs.” -- Ch. 33, Pgs. 758-759 US (668 UK)

“[Harry] looked down at the back of his thestral’s glossy black head and swallowed.” -- Ch. 34, Pg. 765 US (675 UK)

“[The Death Eater’s head] was shrinking very fast, growing balder and balder, the black hair and stubble retracting into his skull his cheeks smooth, his skull round and covered with a peachlike fuzz.... But even as [Harry, Hermione and Neville] watched, their mouth’s open, [the Death Eater’s] head began to swell to its previous proportions again, thick black hair was sprouting from the pate and chin...” -- Ch. 35, Pg. 790 US (697 UK)

“‘He was there!’ shouted a scarlet-robed man with a ponytail, who was pointing at a pile of golden rubble...” -- Ch. 36, Pgs. 816-817 US (720 UK)

“[Fudge’s] mouth was open and his round face grew pinker under his rumpled gray hair.” -- Ch. 36, Pg. 819 US (722 UK)

“Sirius had appeared there once, disguised as the shaggy black dog, so he could watch Harry play...” -- Ch. 37, Pg. 823 US (725 UK)

“The light fell upon Dumbledore, upon the silver of his eyebrows and beard, upon the lines gouged deeply into his face.” -- Ch. 37, Pg. 826 US (728 UK)

“Harry looked up at him and saw a tear trickling down Dumbledore’s face into his long silver beard.” -- Ch. 37, Pg. 844 US (744 UK)

“[Umbridge’s] usually neat mousy hair was very untidy and there were bits of twig and leaf in it, but otherwise she seemed to be quite unscathed.” -- Ch. 38, Pg. 849 US (748 UK)

“Hagrid bowed his great shaggy head.” -- Ch. 38, Pg. 855 US (753 UK)

“Tonks stood just behind [Moody], her bright bubble-gum-pink hair gleaming in the sunlight.... Next to Tonks was Lupin, his face pale, his hair graying, a long threadbare overcoat covering a shabby jumper and trousers.” -- Ch. 38, Pg. 867 US (764 UK)

“‘Anyway, that’s not the point,’ interjected Tonks, whose pink hair seemed to offend Aunt Petunia more than all the rest put together, for she closed her eyes rather than look at her.” -- Ch. 38, Pg. 869 US (765 UK)

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Marie E. - Nov 12, 2003 7:27 pm (#135 of 196)

Wait! Did it really say that Nearly Headless Nick has long, curly hair? How does that fit into our Evil Curly Hair Theory?

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Ihavebothbuttocks - Nov 12, 2003 10:45 pm (#136 of 196)

Well, he had to have done something to have been executed...

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popkin - Nov 13, 2003 1:40 am (#137 of 196)

mother
Marie E., that curly hair on Nearly Headless Nick jumped out at me, too. He's one of the few ghosts who have been kept in the movies. For this reason, I have long suspected he will play a pivitol part at some point. Maybe he will betray Harry somehow? Maybe he already has? Has he done anything so far (besides having curly hair) that could be construed as evil?

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Carina - Nov 13, 2003 1:52 am (#138 of 196)

and her killer bunny rabbit
He died on Halloween... I don't know how evil that is, but I find it significant.

Maybe the evil curly hair is not so much that the person IS evil, but rather they are TOUCHED BY evil (either externally or internally). Maybe Penelope and NHN have had evil done to them.

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shepherdess - Nov 13, 2003 3:09 am (#139 of 196)

55 year old mother of 3, step-mother of 2, grandmom to 3, living in Oklahoma
Then wouldn't Harry's hair be the curliest of all?

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Peregrine - Nov 13, 2003 9:28 am (#140 of 196)

It’s also strange that NHN and Penelope never have their hair color described—just texture (although, who knows what NHN’s is because he’s all pearly white).

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Detail Seeker - Nov 13, 2003 1:34 pm (#141 of 196)

Quod tempus non sanat, sanat ferrum,... so prepare
Well, ghosts are described as being grey in these books as well as in common imagination. so Nearly Headless Nick´s hair just has to be grey.

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popkin - Nov 14, 2003 3:36 am (#142 of 196)

mother
It could be silver. Or pearly. Pearly, twirly, curly evil hair.

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popkin - Nov 14, 2003 4:16 am (#143 of 196)

mother
Edited by Nov 14, 2003 3:19 am
Order of the Phoenix, US version

Chapter 15

No hair references.

Chapter 16

P333 Sirius: “great black dog”

P336 Barman at Hogshead: “grumpy-looking old man with a great deal of long gray hair and beard”

P338 Susan Bones: “long plait down her back”
Zacharias Smith: “tall skinny blond boy”

P339: Marietta: “curly reddish-blonde hair”

P340: Zacharias Smith: “blond Hufflepuff player” and “the blond boy”

P341 Susan Bones: “girl with the long plait”

P347 Cho: “long dark curtain of hair swinging forward to hide her face”

P348 Michael Corner: “the dark one”

Chapter 17

P369 Sirius: “untidy dark head”

P373 “Umbridge’s hand was still making snatchy movements amongst the flames, as though she knew exactly where Sirius hair had been moments before and was determined to seize it.”

Chapter 18

P380 Harry “toweled his hair dry.”

P394 Marietta: “curly haired”

Chapter 19

P400 Alicia: “eyebrows growing so thick and fast that they obscured her vision and obstructed her mouth, Snape insisted that she must have attempted a Hair-Thickening charm…”

P406 Alicia: “eyebrows returned to normal”

P406 Draco: “sunlight gleaming on his white-blond head.”

P418 snow in Ron’s hair

Sorry, there were so many hair references in this chapter that had nothing to do with hair quality or color that I may have missed some – and, because it wasn’t on his head, I’m certain I missed one about either Crabbe or Goyle being built like Dudley “with forearms like hairy hams”. I’ll go over chapter 19 again sometime to make sure I was thorough.

Chapter 20

P421 Hagrid’s “hair was matted with congealed blood.”

P422 Hagrid: “greenish blood trickled down into his beard”

P424 Hagrid: “a softened expression appeared on the few inches of face that was not obscured by beard and green steak”

P430 Golgomath (second Giant Gurg): “black hair an’ matchin’ teeth an’ a necklace o’ bones”

P432 Hagrid: “the corners of his mouth lifting his wild beard”

P436 Hagrid: “tugging nervously at his beard”

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Peregrine - Nov 14, 2003 9:12 am (#144 of 196)

And here's GoF Chapters 14-19:

“Moody took out a register, shook his long mane of grizzled gray hair out of his twisted and scarred face...” -- Ch. 14, Pg. 210 US (186 UK)

“Three large black spiders were scuttling around inside [the jar].” -- Ch. 14, Pg. 212 US (188 UK)

“A second later, the carriage landed too, bouncing upon vast wheels, while the golden horses tossed their enormous heads and tolled large, fiery red eyes.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 243 US (214 UK)

“[Madame Maxime’s] hair was drawn back in a shining knob at the base of her neck.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 243-244 US (214 UK)

“...[Karkaroff] was tall and thin like Dumbledore, but his white hair was short, and his goatee (finishing in a small curl) did not entirely hide his rather weak chin.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 247 US (217 UK)

Krum – “...Harry caught a glimpse of a prominent curved nose and thick black eyebrows.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 247 US (218 UK)

“A long sheet of silvery-blonde hair fell almost to [Fleur’s] waist.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 252 US (222 UK)

Fleur – “Cho happened to be sitting only a few places away from the girl with the silvery hair.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 253 US (223 UK)

“[Crouch Sr.’s] toothbrush mustache and severe parting looked very odd next to Dumbledore’s long white hair and beard.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 254 US (224 UK)

“...there was a loud popping noise, and both [Fred and George] sprouted identical long white beards.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 260 US (229 UK)

“[Fleur] got gracefully to her feet, shook back her sheet of silvery blonde hair, and swept up between the Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff tables.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 269 US (237 UK)

“...Snape went quiet, though his eyes still glinted malevolently through his curtain of greasy black hair.” -- Ch. 17, Pg. 276 US (242 UK)

“No longer shell-less and colorless, [the skrewts] had developed a kind of thick, graying, shiny armor.” -- Ch. 18, Pg. 295 US (259 UK)

Cedric – “exceptionally handsome, with his straight nose, dark hair and gray eyes...” -- Ch. 18, Pg. 296 US (260 UK)

“[Fleur] kept throwing back her head so that her long silvery hair caught the light.” -- Ch. 18, Pg. 302 US (265 UK)

“[Rita Skeeter’s] hair was set in elaborate and curiously rigid curls that contrasted oddly with her heavy-jawed face.” -- Ch. 18, Pg. 303 US (266 UK)

“Attractive blonde Rita Skeeter, forty-three, whose savage quill has punctured many inflated reputations...” -- Ch. 18, Pg. 304 US (267 UK)

Dragons:

Swedish Short-Snout – silvery blue Common Green Welsh – smooth-scaled green Chinese Fireball – red with odd fringe of gold spikes around its face Hungarian Horntail – black

--Ch. 19, Pg. 326 US (286 UK)

“When Harry had said good-bye, Sirius’s face had been gaunt and sunken, surrounded by a quantity of long, black, matted hair–but the hair was short and clean now...” -- Ch. 19, Pg. 331 US (290 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 16, 2003 3:10 pm (#145 of 196)

And Goblet of Fire is done. Unless I’ve missed something the beginning of OoP hasn’t been done so I’ll start on that unless someone’s already done it.

GoF - Chapters 21-30 (no references in Ch. 20)

“Their thick gray armor; their powerful, scuttling legs; their fire-blasting ends; their stings and their suckers, combined to make the skrewts the most repulsive things Harry had ever seen.” -- Ch. 21 Pg. 368 US (321 UK)

“Harry noticed a dull red flush rising up out of Hagrid’s wild black beard and his heart sank.” -- Ch. 21, Pg. 370 US (323 UK)

“[Parvati] looked very pretty indeed, in robes of shocking pink, with her long dark plait braided with gold and gold bracelets glimmering at her wrists.” - Ch. 23, Pg. 412 US (358 UK)

“[Hermione] had done something with her hair; it was no longer bushy but sleek and shiny, and twisted up into an elegant knot at the back of her head.” -- Ch. 23, Pg. 414 US (360 UK)

“...[The Weird Sisters] were all extremely hairy...” -- CH. 23, Pg. 419 US (364 UK)

Professor Grubbly-Plank – “When [Harry’s class] arrived at Hagrid’s cabin however, they found an elderly witch with closely cropped gray hair and a very prominent chin...” -- Ch. 24, Pg. 435 US (379 UK)

“The unicorn was so brightly white it made the snow all around look gray. It was pawing the ground nervously with its golden hooves...” -- Ch. 24, Pg. 436 US (379-380 UK)

“‘I know things about Ludo Bagman that would make your hair curl...not that it needs it–’ [Rite Skeeter] added, eyeing Hermione’s busy hair. -- Ch. 24, Pg. 451 US (392 UK)

“[The painting] featured a blonde mermaid who was fast asleep on a rock, her long hair over her face. It fluttered every time she snored.” -- Ch. 25, Pgs. 459-460 US (399 UK)

Mrs. Norris – “Filch started to climb the stairs, his scrawny, dust-colored cat at his heels.” -- Ch. 25, Pg. 468 US (407 UK)

“Unlike full-grown unicorns, [foals] were pure gold.” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 484 US (420 UK)

“‘[Unicorns] turn silver when they’re abou’ two years old.... Don’ go pure white till they’re full grown, ‘round about seven.’” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 484 US (420 UK)

“The merpeople had graying skin and long, wild, dark green hair.” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 497 US (432 UK)

Gabrielle Delacour – “There was also a girl who looked no older than eight, whose clouds of silvery hair made Harry feel sure she was Fleur Delacour’s sister.” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 498 US (432 UK)

“[Harry] swan swiftly towards a seven-foot-tall merman with a long green beard...” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 499 US (433 UK)

“Half a dozen mermen were pulling [Harry] away from Hermione, shaking their green haired heads and laughing.” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 499 US (433 UK)

Gabrielle Delacour – “...the small silver-haired girl was ghostly green and pale.” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 500 US (434 UK)

“All around [Harry], wild, green-haired heads were emerging...” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 503 US (436 UK)

“‘I deserve zero,’ said Fleur throatily, shaking her magnificent head.” -- Ch. 26, Pg. 506 US (439 UK)

“Waiting for [the trio], it’s front paws on the topmost bar, was a very large shaggy black dog...” -- Ch. 27, Pg. 520 US (451 UK)

Buckbeak – “Half gray horse, half giant eagle...” -- Ch. 27, Pg. 521 US (452 UK)

“[Sirius’s] black hair was longer than it had been when he appeared in the fire, and it was untidy and matted one more.” -- Ch. 27, Pg. 521 US (452 UK)

Nifflers – “...[Harry] found himself looking at a number fluffy black creatures with long snouts.” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 542 US (471 UK)

“...[Crouch Sr.] was unshaven and gray with exhaustion. His neat hair and mustache were both in need of a wash and a trim.” -- Ch. 28, Pg. 553 US (480 UK)

“The size of a swan, with magnificent scarlet-and-gold plumage, [Fawkes] swished his long talk and blinked benignly at Harry.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 582 US (506 UK)

“[Harry] was inside a memory...the [Pensieve] Dumbledore sitting next to him now was silver-haired, just like present-day Dumbledore.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 586 US (509 UK)

“...[Pensieve] Karkaroff looked much younger; his hair and goatee were black.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 587 US (510 UK)

“...[Pensieve] Crouch’s hair was dark, his face much less lined...” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 587 US (510 UK)

“Harry could see [Pensieve Karkaroff] sweating in the torchlight, his white skin contrasting strongly with the black of his hair and beard.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 590 US (513 UK)

“[Pensieve Rita Skeeter] had short blonde hair...” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 591 US (513-514 UK)

“Harry looked up at [Pensieve Crouch Sr.] and saw that he looked gaunter and grayer than ever before.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 594 US (516 UK)

Pensieve Bellatrix – “...a woman with thick, shiny dark hair...” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 594 US (516 UK)

Pensieve Crouch Jr. – “He was shivering, his straw-colored hair all over his face...” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 594 US (516 UK)

Pensieve Crouch Jr. – “‘Father,’ said the boy with straw-colored hair.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 594 US (516 UK)

“Dumbledore drew his wand out of the inside of his robes and placed the tip into his own silvery hair, near his temple.” -- Ch. 30, Pg. 597 US (519 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 16, 2003 3:11 pm (#146 of 196)

GoF - Chapters 31-37

“Victor Krum was over in a corner, conversing with his dark-haired mother and father in rapid Bulgarian.” -- Ch. 31, Pg. 615 US (534 UK)

“[The Sphinx] had the body of an over-large-lion: great clawed pawns and a long yellowish tail ending in a brown tuft.” -- Ch. 31, Pg. 628 US (546 UK)

“...the spell hit the spider’s gigantic, hairy black body...” -- Ch. 31, Pg. 631 US (548 UK)

“[Gross Baby Voldemort] was hairless and scaly-looking, a dark, raw, reddish black.” -- Ch. 32, Pg. 640 US (555-556 UK)

Lily – “The smoky shadow of a young woman with long hair fell to the ground...” -- Ch. 34, Pg. 667 US (579 UK)

“...tall and untidy-haired like Harry, the smoky, shadowy form of James Potter...” -- Ch. 34, Pg. 667 US (579 UK)

Moody/Crouch Jr. – “The long mane of grizzled hair was withdrawing into the scalp and turning the color of straw.” -- Ch. 35, Pg. 682 US (592 UK)

Moody/Crouch Jr. – “Harry saw a man lying before him, pale-skinned, slightly freckled, with a mop of fair hair.” -- Ch. 35, Pg. 682 US (592 UK)

“[Harry] stroked [Fawke’s] beautiful scarlet-and-gold plumage.” -- Ch. 36, Pg. 694 US (602-603 UK)

Fawkes – “...[Dumbledore] pointed at the scarlet-and-gold bird...” -- Ch. 36, Pg. 697 US (605 UK)

“[Sirius] transformed back into the great black dog...” -- Ch. 36, Pg. 699 US (607 UK)

“‘Headmaster,’ said Madam Pomfrey, staring at the great black dog that was Sirius...” -- Ch. 36, Pg. 700 US (607 UK)

“The great black dog looked up and Dumbledore, then, in an instant, turned back into [Sirius].” -- Ch. 36, Pg. 712 US (618 UK)

“Harry’s spirits couldn’t help but be lifted slightly as he watched Fleur hurry across the lawns to Madame Maxine, her silvery hair rippling in the sunlight.” -- Ch. 37, Pg. 725 US (628 UK)

“...Crookshanks was curled up in a spare seat like a large, furry ginger cushion.” -- Ch. 37, Pg. 726 US (639 UK)

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popkin - Nov 17, 2003 6:46 pm (#147 of 196)

mother
Order of the Phoenix

Chapter 21

P444 Hagrid: “turned, shook his shaggy head to get the hair out of his face” “Hagrid shook his hair back for a third time.”

thestral: “a great, black, winged horse”

P445 thestral: “long black tail”

“A stringy Slytherin boy”

thestral: Neville’s “eyes were following the swishing progress of the long black tail”

P465 McGonagall: “dark eyebrows”

Chapter 22

P469 Arthur Weasley: “red hair and glasses”

P470 Fawkes: “plumed golden head”

P474 Fawkes: “single golden feather”

P475 Sirius: “unshaven”

P478 Fawkes: “single golden Phoenix tail feather”

P482 N. Tonks: “hair was short and bright pink”

P484 “plump blonde witch seated at a desk marked INQUIRIES” at St. Mungo’s

P485 Dilys Derwent: “long silver ringlets”

P485 “the blond witch” at INQUIRIES desk

Chapter 23

P495 Phineas Nigellus: raised “a thin black eyebrow”

P498 Hermione: “snow in her hair” At another point Ron had “snow in his hair”. Did I write it down? Could it somehow point to the two of them getting married in the future – like rice in their hair?

P504 Bellatrix: “dark, heavy lidded woman”

P506 “Blonde witch behind the desk” at St. Mungo’s

P508 Lockhart: “wavy blond hair”

P511 Agnes: “woman whose entire head was covered with fur” in Janus Thickey ward

P514 Alice Longbottom: her hair “had turned white, was wispy and dead-looking”

Chapter 24

P518 Snape: “face framed between curtains of greasy black hair”

P524 Tonks “tall, tweedy woman with iron-gray hair”

P533 Snape: touched the wand tip to “the greasy roots of his hair”

Chapter 25

P543 Augustus Rookwood: “pockmarked with greasy hair”

P544 Bellatrix LeStrange: “long dark hair that looked unkempt and straggly in the picture, though [Harry] had seen it sleek, thick and shining”

P556 Harry “attempting to flatten his hair while staring at his reflection”

P556 Cho “looked very pretty with her hair tied back in a long ponytail”

P559 Roger Davies’ date in Madam Puddifoot’s on Valentine’s Day: “a pretty blond girl”

P565 Rita Skeeter: “the hair that had once been set in elaborate curls now hung lank and unkempt around her face”

Chapter 26

P592 “small dark-haired boy cried in a corner”

P592 “A greasy-haired teenager sat alone in a dark bedroom…”

P594 Trelawney “her hair was sticking up on end”

P598 Firenze: “white-blond hair and astonishingly blue eyes”

Chapter 27

P602 Firenze: “long palomino tail”

P603 Firenze: Harry “heard the swishing of his tail again”

P610 Dawlish: A “tough-looking wizard” in Dumbledore’s office “with very short, wiry hair”

P612 Marietta Edgecombe: “Cho’s curly-haired friend” Here’s where we learn her mother works in the Floo Network Office helping to police Hogwart’s fires.

P616 Marietta: “Only her eyes were visible between the pulled up robes and her curly fringe.”

P620 Dawlish: “short gray hair” “who alone of everyone in the room had remained entirely silent so far” (which is why we know the reference on p610 is Dawlish)

P622 Fawkes: “long golden tail”

I think all that's left are chapters 1 through 5 of OotP, and someone else has said she'll do them. I am not completely confident that I caught every single hair reference. Sometimes I would find myself reading along without noticing them. I will not be offended in any way if someone checks my work.

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Peregrine - Nov 18, 2003 10:30 am (#148 of 196)

Yeah, that was me. I’m nearly done…a couple more chapters and then I just have to type them up.

In the meantime, I was going through all the posts to see if anything was missed and realized I never posted the entries for PS/SS. So, if anyone’s interested, here they are:

Philosopher’s Stone 1-6

“[Vernon] was a big beefy man with hardly any neck, although he did have a very large mustache. Mrs. Dursley was thin and blonde...” -- Ch. 1 Pg. 1 US (7 UK)

“None of them seemed to notice a large, tawny owl flutter past the window.” --Ch. 1, Pg. 2 US (8 UK)

“[Dumbledore] was tall, thin and very old, judging by the silver of his hair and beard which were both long enough to tuck into his belt.” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 8 US (12 UK)

“[McGonagall’s] black hair was drawn into a tight bun.” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 9 US (13UK)

“[Hagrid] looked simply too big to be allowed, and so wild--long tangles of bushy black hair and beard hid most of his face...” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 14 US (16 UK)

“Under a tuft of jet-black hair over his forehead they could see a curiously shaped cut, like a bolt of lightening.” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 15 US (16-17 UK)

“...but Dudley Dursley was no longer a baby, and now the photographs showed a large blond boy riding his first bicycle...” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 18 US (19 UK)

“Harry had a thin face, knobbly knees, black hair, and bright green eyes.” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 20 US (20 UK)

“Harry must have had more haircuts than the rest of the boys in his class put together, but it made no difference, his hair simply grew that way--all over the place.” -- Ch. 2,Pgs. 20-21 US (20-21 UK)

“[Dudley] had a large pink face, not much neck, small, watery blue eyes, and thick blond hair that lay smoothly on his thick, fat head.” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 21 US (21 UK)

“... they watched a gorilla scratching its head who looked remarkably like Dudley, except that it wasn’t blond.” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 26 US (24 UK)

Python -- “Dudley stood with his nose pressed against the glass, staring at the glistening brown coils.” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 27 US (25 UK)

“[Hagrid’s] face was almost completely hidden by a long, shaggy mane of hair and a wild, tangled beard, but you could make out his eyes, glinting like black beetles under all the hair.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 46 US (39 UK)

Leaky Cauldron Tom -- “A little man in a top hat was talking to the old bartender, who was quite bald and looked like a toothless (gummy--UK) walnut.” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 68 US (54 UK)

Hedwig -- “Harry now carried a large cage that held a beautiful snowy owl...” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 81 US (63 UK)

“[Molly] was a plump woman who was talking to four boys, all with flaming red hair.” -- Ch. 6, 92 US (69 UK)

Ginny -- “‘Nine and three-quarters!’ piped a small girl, also red-headed who was holding [Molly’s] hand.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 92 US (69-70 UK)

Lee Jordon -- “A boy with dreadlocks was surrounded by a small crowd.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 94 US (71 UK)

Forge -- “‘Want a hand?’ It was one of the red-haired twin [Harry’d] followed through the barrier.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 94 US (71 UK)

“Harry sat down next to the window where, half-hidden, he could watch the red-haired family on the platform (ticket box--UK).” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 95 US (72 UK)

Harry -- “‘You know that black-haired boy who was near us in the station? Know who he is?’” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 97 US. (73 UK)

Ron -- “The door of the compartment slid open and the youngest red-headed boy came in.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 98 US (74 UK)

Scabbers -- “Ron reached inside his jacket and pulled out a fat gray rat, which was asleep.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 100 US (75 UK)

Dumbledore -- “[The card] showed a man’s face. He wore half-moon glasses, had a long, crooked nose, and flowing silver hair, beard, and mustache.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 102 US (77 UK)

“[Hermione] had a bossy sort of voice, lots of bushy brown hair, and rather large front teeth.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 105 US (79 UK)

“[Ron] waved his want, but nothing happened. Scabbers stayed gray and fast asleep.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 105 US (79 UK)

“‘Say that again,” Ron said, his face as red as his hair.” -- Ch. 6 Pg. 109 US (81 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 18, 2003 10:31 am (#149 of 196)

Philosopher’s Stone 7-16

McGonagall -- “A tall, black-haired witch in emerald-green robes stood there.” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 113 US (85 UK)

Seamus -- “...Harry got into line behind a boy with sandy hair...” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 116 US (87 UK)

Hannah Abbot -- “A pink-faced girl with blonde pigtails stumbled out of line...” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 119 US (89 UK)

“‘Finnigan, Seamus,’ the sandy-haired boy next to Harry in line, sat on the still for almost a whole minute...” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 120 US (90 UK)

“Dumbledore’s silver hair was the only thing in the whole hall that shone as brightly as the ghosts.” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 122 US (91 UK)

“‘I would prefer you to call me Sir Nicholas de Mimsy--’ the ghost began stiffly, but sandy-haired Seamus interrupted.” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 124 US (92 UK)

Snape -- “Professor Quirrell, in his absurd turban, was talking to a teacher with greasy black hair, a hooked nose, and sallow skin.” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 126 US (94 UK)

“Filch owned a cat called Mrs. Norris, a scrawny, dust-colored creature with bulging lamp-like eyes just like Filch’s.” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 132 US (99 UK)

Fang -- “[Hagrid] let [Harry and Ron] in, struggling to keep a hold on the collar of an enormous black boarhound.” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 140 US (104 UK)

“Their teacher, Madam Hooch, arrived. She had short, gray hair, and yellow eyes like a hawk.” -- Ch. 9, Pg. 146 US (109 UK)

Troll -- “Twelve feet tall, its skin was a dull, granite gray, it’s great lumpy body like a boulder with its small bald head perched on top like a coconut.” -- Ch. 10, Pg. 174 US (129 UK)

“[Lily] had dark red hair.... The tall thin, black-haired man standing next to her put her arm around her. He wore glasses, and his hair was very untidy. It stuck up at the back, just as Harry’s did.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 208 US (153 UK)

“‘Dumbledore?’ [Harry] said, dashing to the door to make sure. Fred was right. There was no mistaking that silver beard.” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 222 US (163 UK)

“Harry thought [Norbert] looked like a crumpled, black umbrella.” -- Ch. 14, Pg. 235 US (171 UK)

Ronan -- “To the waist, a man, with red hair and beard, but below that was a horse’s gleaming chestnut body with a long, reddish tail.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 252 US (184 UK)

Bane -- “...but it was only a second centaur, black-haired and -bodied and wilder-looking that Ronan.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 253 US (185 UK)

“Something bright white was gleaming on the ground...[the unicorn’s] long, slender legs were stuck out at odd angles where it had fallen and its mane was spread pearly white on the dark leaves.” -- Ch. 15, Pgs. 255-256 US (186-187 UK)

Firenze -- “...this one looked younger; he had white-blond hair and a palomino body.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 256 US (187 UK)

“Harry stared at the back of Firenze’s head, which was dappled silver in the moonlight.” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 258 US (188 UK)

Flying keys -- “[The chamber] was full of small, jewel-bright birds, fluttery and tumbling all around the room.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 279 US (202-203 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 18, 2003 6:52 pm (#150 of 196)

Okay, Order of the Phoenix is finished. Now I'm off to do the last few chapters of PoA (unless someone's done them?).

OoP chapters 1-5

“[Harry] was a skinny, black-haired, bespectacled boy...” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 1 US (7 UK)

“[Mrs. Figg’s] grizzled gray hair was escaping from it hairnet...” -- Ch. 1, Pg. 19 US (23 UK)

“[Mundungus] had short bandy legs, long straggly ginger hair, and bloodshot baggy eyes...” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 22 US (26 UK)

“[Dudley] shuttered again and shook his large blond head...” -- Ch. 2, Pg. 30 US (33 UK)

“...[Lupin] had more gray hair than when Harry had said good-bye to him.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 47 US (47 UK)

“...[Tonks] had a pale heart-shaped face, dark twinkling eyes, and short spiky hair that was a violent shade of violet.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 47 US (47 UK)

Kingsley – “...a bald black wizard.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 47 US (47 UK)

Elphias Doge – “...a wheezy-voiced, silver-haired wizard...” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 47 US (47 UK)

“Mad-Eye Moody , who had long grizzled gray hair...” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 47 US (48 UK)

Sturgis Podmore – “... a square-jawed wizard with thick, straw-colored hair winked.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 49 US (49 UK)

Hestia Jones – “A pink-cheeked, black-haired witch...” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 49 US (49 UK)

“‘You know, I don’t think purple’s really my color,’ [Tonks] said pensively, tugging at a lock of spiky hair. [...] A second later, her hair turned bubble-gum pink.” -- Ch. 3, Pg. 52 US (51 UK)

“[Ron] seemed to have grown...through, the long nose, bright red hair, and freckles were the same.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 62 US (61 UK)

“‘Stop doing that!’ Hermione said weakly to [Fred and George], who were as vividly red-haired as Ron...” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 68 US (66 UK)

Ginny – “The door opened and a long mane of red hair appeared.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 69 US (66 UK)

“...Harry saw the dark, greasy-haired head and prominent nose of his least favorite teacher at Hogwarts, Professor Snape.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 76 US (73 UK)

Sirius – “Then a man with long black hair came charging out of a door facing Harry.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 78 US (74 UK)

“Panting slightly and sweeping his long dark hair out of his eyes, Harry’s godfather, Sirius, turned to face him.” -- Ch. 4, Pg. 78 US (75 UK)

“[Arthur], a thin, balding, red-haired man...” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 80 US (76-77 UK)

“‘Eh?’ said Mundungus, peering balefully at Harry through his matted ginger hair.” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 81 US (77 UK)

“...it was only Crookshanks, Hermione’s bandy-legged ginger cat...” -- Ch. 5, Pg. 82 US (78 UK)
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Peregrine - Nov 18, 2003 6:53 pm (#151 of 196)
OoP chapters 6-10

“...a full grown doxy came soaring out of a fold in the material, shiny beetle-like wings whirring, tiny needle-sharp teeth bared, it’s fairylike body covered with thick black hair...” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 104 US (97 UK)

Mundungus – “[The kids] could see the top of an unkempt gingery head and a stack of precariously balanced cauldrons.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 106 US (99 UK)

“...there was a quantity of white hair growing out of [Kreacher’s] large, batlike ears.” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 107 US (100 UK)

Bellatrix – “...a tall dark woman...” -- Ch. 6, Pg. 114 US (106 UK)

“[Tonks’] hair was blonde and curly this morning.” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 122 US (112 UK)

Perkins – “A stooped, timid-looking old wizard with fluffy white hair...” -- Ch. 7, Pg. 134 US (123 UK)

Amelia Bones – “A broad, square-jawed witch with very short gray hair...” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 138 US (127 UK)

“[Dumbledore’s] long silver beard and hair gleamed in the torchlight.” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 139 US (127 UK)

Unnamed wizard and witch at Harry’s hearing – “A dumpy wizard with a large black mustache...a frizzy haired witch...” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 144, US (132 UK)

Umbridge – “Even the little black velvet bow perched on top of her short curly hair put [Harry] in the mind of a large fly...” -- Ch. 8, Pg. 146 US (134 UK)

Lucius Malfoy – “…Fudge was standing a few feet away from [Arthur and Harry], talking quietly to a tall man with sleek blond hair…” – Ch. 9, Pg. 154 US (140 UK)

“[Tonk’s] hair was tomato-red and waist length today; she looked like Ginny’s older sister.” – Ch. 9, Pg. 170 US (155 UK)

“The Moody in the picture was unmistakable, though his hair was slightly less gray and his nose was intact.” – Ch. 9, Pg. 173 US (158 UK)

Sirius – A bearlike black dog had appeared at Harry’s side…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 180 US (164 UK)

Sirius – “…said Mrs. Weasley stiffly, averting her eyes from the lolloping black dog beside Harry.” – Ch. 10, Pg. 181 US (164 UK)

“[Tonks] had tightly curled gray hair and wore a purple hat shaped like a porkpie.” – Ch. 10, Pg. 181 US (165 UK)

Sirius – “But the great black dog gave a joyful bark and gamboled around them…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 181 US (165 UK)

Lee Jordon – “‘Nice dog, Harry!’ called a tall boy with dreadlocks.” – Ch. 10, Pg. 182 US (165 UK)

Sirius – “For one brief moment, the great black dog reared onto its hind legs and placed its front pawn on Harry’s shoulders…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 183 US (166 UK)

Sirius – “…but the black dog was bounding alongside the window, wagging its tail…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 183 US (166 UK)

“[Luna] had straggly, waist-length, dirty-blond hair, very pale eyebrows…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 185 US (168 UK)

Cho – “A very pretty girl with long, shiny black hair…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 187 US (170 UK)

“…drawled Malfoy, whose sleek blond hair and pointed chin were just like his father’s.” – Ch. 10, Pg. 194 US (175 UK)

Sirius – “What if Mr. Malfoy had noticed the black dog and told Draco…” – Ch. 10, Pg. 194 US (176 UK)

Thestrals – “They were completely fleshless, their black coats clinging to their skeletons…. Wings spouted from each wither—vast, black leathery wings…” – Ch. 10, Pgs. 196-197 US (178 UK)

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zelmia - Nov 19, 2003 5:50 pm (#152 of 196)

Oh! And that's a bad miss!
That is amazing! Well done, all!

But what does any of this really tell us? There are only so many combinations of hair colours and textures that a character can have.
The truth is, mousy-brown (or "sandy" if you prefer) is VERY common; as is grey or greying. Dark brown, auburn and even red are not at all unusual, really. (By the way: isn't auburn a variation of brown, not red? I always thought so. Hm...)
In fact, of the colours for hair given in the series, the only two that I think are truly unusual are "white or silver-blond(e)" and "black".
Obviously, true tow-heads who stay that way long past their primary days are quite rare. But it makes for something visually striking for the Malfoys, who think they represent the epitome of Wizard-kind.
But for someone of anglo descent to have "jet black" hair is not that common (and I can attest to that from personal experience). And yet we have at least two characters who share this trait: Harry, of course, and James. Snape, McGonagall, Tom Riddle, Sirius and Bellatrix LeStrange all have black hair as well; but only Harry's (and James's) is described as "jet" black.
Does this mean I think the non-Potters might be related in some way to Harry? Not really. But it is perhaps noteworthy that Tom Riddle himself is the one to utter to Harry, "We even look something alike."

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popkin - Nov 19, 2003 7:17 pm (#153 of 196)

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Zelmia, I'm sure that once we get the hair qualities into some kind of a table, we'll begin to see more relationships between the characters.

Also, it's important to note what is going on when a person's hair quality changes. For instance, when Rita first shows up she's got tightly curled hair - and is very deceptive. But, when she takes Harry's interview in OotP her hair is "lank" - which I think indicates a very noticeable change in her intentions. She is no longer going to betray Harry's trust - at least not until she washes her hair.

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Psychedelic Enchantress - Nov 20, 2003 3:39 am (#154 of 196)

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And it suggests her change in fortunes- being blackmailed and incarcerated- and the despondency (she isn't nearly as nasty as usual).

You could almost feel sorry for her, but she's so ghastly you can't quite.

I suppose with the Malfoys, JK was echoing the Nazi (if we think Voldemort= Hitler) ideal of the Aryan race i.e. blond(e) hair, blue or grey eyes, pale skin. (Not sure about the pointiness though). It does seem odd that Narcissa is so blonde when nearly all her relatives have brunette/black hair. Does she dye it, or is it a fluke? (It can happen- I'm the only blonde in a family of brunettes).

It's interesting, then, that Voldemort in no way resembles this ideal himself, even when he was comparatively 'normal'...

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Peregrine - Nov 22, 2003 11:16 am (#155 of 196)

Here’s the rest of PoA. And this should be it!

Chapters 6-22

Sir Cadogan’s horse – “A fat, dapple-gray pony…” – Ch. 6, Pg. 99 US (77 UK)

Hippogriffs – “…each of them a different color: stormy gray, bronze, pinkish roan, gleaming chestnut, and inky black.” – Ch. 6, Pg. 114 US (88 UK)

Buckbeak – “[Hagrid] united one of the chains, pulled the gray hippogriff away…” – Ch. 6, Pg. 115 US (88 UK)

Hippogriff – “Ron and Hermione practiced on the chestnut while Harry watched.” – Ch. 6, Pg. 117 US (90 UK)

“Where the mummy had been was a woman with floor-length black hair and a skeletal, green-tinged face—a banshee.” – Ch. 7, Pg. 137 US (104 UK)

Grindylow – “A sickly green creature…” – Ch. 8, Pg. 154 US (116 UK)

Sirius – “…the silhouette of an enormous shaggy black dog…” – Ch. 9, Pg. 178 US (133 UK)

“A ray of wintery sunlight fell across the classroom, illuminating Lupin’s gray hairs and the lines on his young face.” – Ch. 10, Pg. 187 US (140 UK)

Owner of Honeydukes – “…[Harry] saw an enormous backside and shiny bald head, buried in a box.” – Ch. 10, Pg. 196 US (146 UK)

“There was [James] waving up at [Harry from his wedding photograph], beaming, the untidy black hair Harry had inherited standing up in all directions.” – Ch. 11, Pg. 212 US (157 UK)

“Crookshanks was spread out in front of the fire like a large, ginger rug.” – Ch. 11, Pg. 213 US (159 UK)

Crookshanks - “Lying on top of [Hermione’s homework] were several long, ginger cat hairs.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 251 US (186 UK)

“...before [Ron] could do anything else, Crookshanks had vanished with one swish of his long ginger tail.” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 256 US (190 UK)

Sirius - “‘...like a skeleton, with loads of filthy hair...’” -- Ch. 14, Pg. 270 US (200 UK)

“Malfoy’s head jerked forward as the mud hit him; his silver-blond hair was suddenly dripping in muck.” -- Ch. 14, Pg. 280 US (206 UK)

“Mr. Wormtail bids Professor Snape good day, and advises him to wash his hair, the slimeball.” -- Ch. 14, Pg. 287 US (211 UK)

Sirius - “And just then, it emerged–a gigantic, shaggy black dog...” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 303 US (224 UK)

Macnair - “...the other [representative] was tall and strapping with a thin black mustache.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 320 US (235 UK)

Macnair - “The black-mustached man...” -- Ch. 15, Pg. 320 US (235 UK)

“...Hagrid shook his shaggy head.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 328 US (241 UK)

“[Scabbers] was thinner than ever, large tufts of hair had fallen out leaving wide bald patches...” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 329 US (241 UK)

“In front was Albus Dumbledore, his silver beard gleaming in the dying sun.” -- Ch. 16, Pg. 329 US (242 UK)

“Something was bounding toward [Harry, Hermione and Ron], quiet as a shadow–an enormous, pale-eyed, jet-black dog.” -- Ch. 17, Pg. 334 US (245 UK)

“A mass of filthy hair, matted hair hung to [Sirius’] elbows.” -- Ch. 17, Pg. 338 US (248 UK)

“Before either of them could say another word, something ginger streaked past Harry; Crookshanks leapt onto Black’s chest...” -- Ch. 17, Pg. 342 US (251 UK)

“[Lupin] pushed his graying hair out of his eyes...” -- Ch. 18, Pg. 352 US (258 UK)

“...for a moment, Scabbers was frozen in midair, his small gray (“black” in UK version) form twisting madly...” -- Ch. 19, Pg. 366 US (268 UK)

“[Peter’s] thin, colorless hair was unkempt and there was a large bald patch on top.” -- CH. 19, Pg. 366 US (269 UK)

“Pettigrew burst into tears. It was horrible to watch, like an oversized, balding baby, cowering on the floor.” -- Ch. 19, Pg. 374 US (274 UK)

“Ron’s red hair was visible beneath Madam Pomfrey’s arm.” -- Ch. 21, Pg. 388 US (284 UK)

“Dumbledore looked up, and a wide smile appeared under the long silver mustache.” -- Ch. 22, Pg. 418 US (305 UK)

Pigwidgeon - “Something very small and gray...” -- Ch. 22, Pg. 431 US (314 UK)

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Peregrine - Nov 22, 2003 11:22 am (#156 of 196)

I noticed some oddities in PoA when I was doing this list...

About half-way down there’s a reference to Sirius in dog form that describes him as “jet-black”. But that’s the only time he’s ever described as that. (It’s also the only time we get a clue to his eye color – “pale”.)

It's also the only place Draco is said to have “silver-blond” hair instead of his usual “white-blond” hair and Scabbers is said to be “gray” in the US edition and “black” in the UK version (and that’s the only time I noticed Scabbers being called anything but gray).

I don’t know if it means anything, I just think it’s strange.

(My apologies for another post, I just thought this should be set apart from my list.)

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popkin - Nov 23, 2003 4:27 am (#157 of 196)

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Edited by Nov 23, 2003 3:30 am
Just to satisfy an itch, I thought I'd try to start getting a handle on some of the data we've collected, so I copied all the posts of our research and put them in chronological order. Unless I've missed something, this is what has been posted so far:

Philosopher’s Stone (Sorcerer’s Stone) Chapters 1 - 16
Chamber of Secrets 1 - 18
Prisoner of Azkaban 1 - 22
Goblet of Fire 14 - 37
Order of the Phoenix 1 - 38

That means that Chapters 1 through 13 of GOF were not posted. I think that someone (most likely Peregrine - you were so fast!) said they were done, but maybe they were emailed on and not posted.

If you have the missing chapters and can post them, that would be great. Otherwise, I'm going to go through the beginning of GOF so that our on-line data will be complete. WARNING: It will take me longer than Peregrine to complete it.

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Peregrine - Nov 23, 2003 3:26 pm (#158 of 196)

Woops, I guess I did forget to post 1-13. I hope I caught you time time, popkin!

GoF Chapters 1-13

Tom Riddle – “…the only person [Frank Bryce] had seen near the house on the day of the Riddle’s deaths had been a teenage boy, a stranger, dark-haired and pale.” – Ch. 1, Pg. 3 US (9 UK)

“[Peter] was wearing a long black cloak, and there was a bald patch at the back of his head.” – Ch. 1, Pg. 7 US (12 UK)

“…and in seconds, the tip of [Nagini’s] diamond-shaped tail had vanished through the gap.” – Ch. 1, Pg. 13 US (17 UK)

Peter – “A short, balding man with graying hair, a pointed nose, and small, watery eyes stood before Frank…” – Ch. 1, Pg. 13 US (18 UK)

Harry – “A skinny boy of fourteen looked back at him, his bright green eyes puzzled under his untidy black hair.” – Ch. 2, Pg. 16 US (20 UK)

“[Harry] amused himself for a moment, picturing Dumbledore, with his long silver beard, full-length wizard’s robes, and pointed hat…” – Ch. 2, Pg. 21 US (24 UK)

“…Ron’s red hair and long-nosed, freckled face seemed to swim before Harry…” – Ch. 2, Pg. 22 US (25 UK--hair color not in UK version)

“‘Dumpy sort of woman?’ [Vernon] growled finally. ‘Load of children with red hair?’” – Ch. 3, Pg. 32 US (34 UK)

“[Harry] could almost see the cogs working under Uncle Vernon’s thick, dark, neatly parted hair…. Harry could see the conclusion forming in his uncle’s mind as though the great mustached face were transparent.” – Ch. 3, Pg. 34 US (35-36 UK)

Pigwidgeon – “…what appeared to be a small, gray, feathery tennis ball collided with the side of [Harry’s] head.” – Ch. 3, Pg. 35 US (36 UK)

“…Uncle Vernon caught [Petunia] before she hit the floor, and gaped, speechless, at the Weasleys, all of whom had bright red hair, including Fred and George, who were identical to the last freckle.” – Ch. 4, Pg. 44 US (43 UK)

“Tall, thin, and balding, [Arthur] moved toward Uncle Vernon…” – Ch. 4, Pg. 44 US (43 UK)

Bill and Charlie – “…Ron and George were sitting at the scrubbed wooden table with two red-haired people Harry had never seen before…” – Ch. 5, Pg. 51 US (49 UK)

“[Bill] was tall, with long hair that he had tied back in a ponytail.” – Ch. 5, Pg. 52 US (50 UK)

“One [girl], with very bushy brown hair and rather large front teeth, was Harry and Ron’s friend, Hermione Granger. The other, who was small and red-haired, was Ron’s younger sister, Ginny.” – Ch. 5, Pg. 54 US (51 UK)

“[Harry and Ron] had only gone a few paces when Hermione’s bandy-legged ginger cat, Crookshanks, came pelting out of the garden, bottle-brush tail held high in the air…” – Ch. 5, Pg. 60 US (56 UK)

Amos Diggory – “…a ruddy-faced wizard with a scrubby brown beard…” – Ch. 6, Pg. 71 US (67 UK)

“‘Oh no, only the redheads,’ said Mr. Weasley, pointing out his children.” – Ch. 6, Pg. 72 US (68 UK)

“[Seamus] was sitting in front of his own shamrock-covered tent, with a sandy-haired woman who had to be his mother…” – Ch. 7, Pg. 82 US (76 UK)

“[Bagman’s] nose was squashed…but his blue eyes, short blond hair, and rosy complexion made him look like a very overgrown schoolboy.” – Ch. 7, Pgs. 86-87 US (80 UK)

“The parting in [Crouch Sr.’s] short gray hair was almost unnaturally straight, and his narrow toothbrush mustache looked as though he trimmed it using a slide rule.” – Ch. 7, Pg. 90 US (83 UK)

“A pale boy with a pointed face and white-blond hair, Draco greatly resembled his father. His mother was blonde too…” Ch. 8, Pgs. 100-101 US (91 UK)

“…what could make [the Veelas’] skin shine moon-bright like that, or their white-gold hair fan out behind them without wind…” – Ch. 8 Pg. 103 US (93 UK)

“Victor Krum was thin, dark, and sallow-skinned, with a large curved nose and thick black eyebrows.” – Ch. 8, Pg. 105 US (95 UK)

World Cup Ref, Mostafa – A small and skinny wizard, completely bald but with a mustache to rival Uncle Vernon’s…” – Ch. 8, Pg. 106 US (96 UK)

Amos Diggory – “‘I don’t think so,’ said a wizard with a scrubby brown beard.” – Ch. 9, pg. 131 US (118 UK)

“Amos Diggory muttered again, now reddening behind his scrubby brown beard.” – Ch. 9, Pg. 137 US (122 UK)

“…Professor Sprout, the Herbology teacher, whose hate was askew over her flyaway gray hair…. On Professor Sinistra’s other side was the sallow-faced, hook nosed, greasy-haired Potions master, Snape…” – Ch. 12, Pg. 175 US (155 UK)

“…Professor Dumbledore, the headmaster, his sweeping silver hair and beard shining in the candlelight…” – Ch. 12, 175 US (155 UK)

Dennis Creevey – “…the smallest boy of the lot, a boy with mousy hair…” – Ch. 12, Pg. 176 US (156 UK)

“…Hagrid, with his long, wild, tangled black hair and beard, looked slightly alarming…” – Ch. 12, Pg. 179 US (158-159 UK)

Harry – “‘Dennis! See that boy down there? The one with the black hair and glasses?’” – Ch. 12, Pg. 179 US (159 UK)

“[Mad-Eye/Crouch Jr.] lowered his hood, shook out a long mane of grizzled, dark gray hair, then began to walk up toward the teacher’s table.” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 184 US (163 UK)

“[Mad-Eye/Crouch Jr.] sat down, shook his mane of dark gray hair out of his face...” -- Ch. 12, Pg. 185 US (164 UK)

“A large tawny owl soared down to Neville Longbottom and deposited a parcel into his lap...” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 194 US (172 UK)

“Hagrid was standing outside his hut, one hand on the collar of his enormous black boarhound, Fang. -- Ch. 13, Pg. 195 US (173 UK)

“[The Blast-Ended Skrewts] looked like deformed, shell-less lobsters, horribly pale and slimy-looking...” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 196 US (173 UK)

Harry – “...Your dark hair...” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 201 US (177 UK)

“[Mad-Eye/Crouch Jr.’s] wand was out and it was pointing right at a pure white ferret...” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 204 US (180 UK)

“...a moment later, with a loud snapping noise, Draco Malfoy had reappeared, lying in a heap on the floor with his sleek blond hair all over his now brilliantly pink face.” -- Ch. 13, Pg. 206 US (182 UK)

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popkin - Nov 23, 2003 9:53 pm (#159 of 196)

mother
Edited by Nov 23, 2003 8:58 pm
Yes, Peregrine, you caught me before I even began to look. Though I am not surprised - you really flew through the task. Thanks for sharing your efforts with us.

With your most recent post added in, the complete list of hair data - just the quotes and their locations - comes to 29 pages. Whew!

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Peregrine - Nov 24, 2003 10:12 am (#160 of 196)

It was my pleasure! Actually it was pretty easy. My boss has been out of town a lot lately so I didn’t have much else to do all day. Of course it may have been faster if I had paid better attention and not kept reading sections that were already done. Wink

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Choices - Dec 18, 2003 6:47 pm (#161 of 196)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
In reference to post #153......I think Rita Skeeter's hair going from "tightly curled" to "lank" has nothing to do with her intentions and a lot to do with her financial situation. She can't afford to have it washed and curled anymore - her whole appearence is rather "lank".

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Psychedelic Enchantress - Dec 19, 2003 6:39 am (#162 of 196)

Wannabe writer
And don't forget that Hermione has been keeping her in beetle form in a jar all summer. That can't do wonders for your appearance: think how thin and dishevelled Peter was when he was made to appear in the Shrieking Shack.

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popkin - Dec 19, 2003 7:15 pm (#163 of 196)

mother
But Peter/Scabbers had been worrying himself about Sirius's escape from Azkaban to the point of being sickly, balding and and thin. If he had been revealed on the train to Hogwarts in SS, when Scabbers was sleek and fat, Peter would also have appeared sleek and fat.

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popkin - Jan 18, 2004 12:18 pm (#164 of 196)

mother
This thread was too much work to watch it fall off the edge of the world, so I've posted in it.

What ever happened to schoff? I was hoping he'd beat me to organizing this information. I guess I'd better get started.

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Julia. - Jan 18, 2004 2:31 pm (#165 of 196)

74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Wow. I've just read this thread and I'm very impressed with everyone who put EVERY SINGLE reference to hair in the entire seies on this thread. Good job!

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Sinister Kittens - Jan 18, 2004 5:43 pm (#166 of 196)

I've put myself on Lurk only status, sorry I haven't been chatting but I have been reading about you all ;-).
Does this mean I have to re-email everything ;-)? I still haven't finished re-reading the series again! But I'm glad you re-activated it (even if I do have evil, curly hair!), you're right, too much work did go into it and many people deserve a pat on the back for all their hard work - you know who you are!

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Peregrine - Jan 19, 2004 11:42 am (#167 of 196)

Popkin, I’ve got every reference saved in my computer—we can chart it together if you want. Let me know: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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Jazhara Ravenclaw - Jan 20, 2004 5:30 pm (#168 of 196)

Now that I've been going along with this thread... I notice all th ose ahri references. It's really weird... I hadn't really thought of it before. Maybe I'll include some hari comparisons in my archetypal aalysis 4000 word essay on HP.. I love being able to pick my own topics!

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Peregrine - Jan 28, 2004 12:31 pm (#169 of 196)

Okay, I’m working on the hair chart and it’s massive. Right now it’s an Excel spreadsheet with hair color as the horizontal and the person’s name as the vertical, with an “X” checked in the appropriate box (I feel like I’m giving a report). I’ve only checked off books 1-3, but when I get done it’s going to be about 4 ½ pages of little checked boxes (it already looks like a crazy version of minesweeper). I’m still tweaking the format—trying to see what’s the best way to present it—because as it is, it’s much too big/long to see a clear pattern. I may just break down and do it the old-fashion way (by hand) and scan it in the computer or something.

I’m open to suggestions.

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popkin - Jan 28, 2004 2:07 pm (#170 of 196)

mother
Edited by Jan 28, 2004 1:18 pm
Hi Peregrine,

I'm sorry I haven't emailed you. You're right, it is massive (which is why I've put off getting started), but since we're looking for patterns, it is important to do everyone. But like you said, that just gets so big that it's cumbersome.

I thought it might be better to break it up into groups - like blonds, blacks, redheads, browns, grays, whites, gingers and balds. There isn't a lot of crossover in those groups, except for younger versions of whites and grays, Nymphadora Tonks, and non-humans. Maybe the odd colored animals could be on a separate sheet, too.

Those main groups need to be broken down into things like curly, straight, bushy, mustached, bearded, and plaited. I do think that those hair characteristics are telling, and should be charted in some way. Maybe we could symbolize those traits Across the top of the spreadsheet, and x's put in every box that applies (even if only sometimes - like Nymphadora would have x's in just about every box).

Some of the secondary hair characteristics: Curly, Straight, Bushy, Mustache, Beard, Plait, Long, Short, shoulder length, Tightly Curled, Greasy, Straggly, Matted, fly-away,lank

I also thought that the main characters could be charted separately from the minor ones, so that we could come to conclusions about the minor characters based on what we know about the main ones - if it makes the charting easier. If it makes charting harder to separate the main characters, then it would probably be a bad idea.

In time, we could add eye color.

I can't start this week. I have too much to do. Maybe we can come up with a working format this week and I can help you with the charting starting next week? Let me know what you think, and I am also open to any suggestions for how to approach the organization of this data.

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Peregrine - Jan 28, 2004 3:26 pm (#171 of 196)

…and, my head just exploded.

I finished everyone and printed out the list…and I think you’re right, popkin, doing it in groups of hair-color would be easier. The problem I’m facing (which is why the chart is so huge) is that “Red”, for example, could mean red, flaming-red, bright-red, dark-red, auburn, ginger, crimson, scarlet, and red-blonde. So I guess it could be a generalized “red” with all of these people/animals under it and broken down further:

Weasley, Ron

Red, flaming-red, bright-red

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popkin - Jan 29, 2004 2:23 am (#172 of 196)

mother
Edited by Jan 29, 2004 1:29 am
…and, my head just exploded.

LOL

You're right, of course. I was just reading tonight and came across a character (Marietta?) with red-blonde hair, and I thought, "would that fall under red or blonde?" And, that's important because red haired characters are generally good, and blond haired characters are generally bad. So, if you're trying to see the connections....both red and blond connect to other characters.

Maybe the easiest thing would be to list characters in graduated shades of color, something like: deepest black, black, dark brown, mousy brown, light brown, ginger, auburn, dark red, bright red, red-blonde, straw colored, blonde, white-blonde, white, gray, bald.

All suggestions for a simpler system are welcome.

And, Peregrine, as always, I marvel at your speed and accuracy. That was really fast, and I'm sure you were very thorough.

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Joost! - Jan 29, 2004 2:39 am (#173 of 196)

Second line of information
Peregrine, I would really like to see that excel sheet. Would you email it to me, please?

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Peregrine - Jan 29, 2004 10:03 am (#174 of 196)

Well, my speed is due to very slow days at work (usually when the boss is gone, heh).

Sure, Joost! I started screwing around with the order of things and some of my Xs got out of place. As soon as I make it right again I’ll send it to you.

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Julia. - Jan 29, 2004 10:07 am (#175 of 196)

74% obsessed! Uconn Jew Crew says: is it August yet?
Hey Peregine, would you mind sending it to me as well? Thanks.

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Peregrine - Jan 29, 2004 11:12 am (#176 of 196)

You bet. I just sent them...keep your eyes open for a "Harry Potter Hair" subject from Cassandle.

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icthestrals - Jan 29, 2004 11:27 am (#177 of 196)

Join Potty HQ on this forum! Woohoo, from janitor to VP!
Can we only get the info. by request or will it be posted to this thread somehow? I'd like to see it too, but I don't want you to have to email it dozens of times.

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Peregrine - Jan 29, 2004 12:16 pm (#178 of 196)

Once we figure out how to get all the info into a viewable format we’ll post it somehow (it’s pretty confusing at the moment). But I don’t mind emailing what we’ve got so far with anyone who wants to see the rough version.

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Tomoé - Jan 29, 2004 5:23 pm (#179 of 196)

Back in business
Peregrine, would you mind to send me the excel file, I will translate the tables in html and post them on this thread.

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Peregrine - Feb 23, 2004 12:59 pm (#180 of 196)

If anyone's wondering, I'm still working on making this table viewable. I'm also hand-writing a chart and color coding it...maybe it'll work out better than the excel one. Anyway, I haven't forgotten...

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Gina R Snape - Mar 21, 2004 9:33 pm (#181 of 196)

"The world isn't split into good people and death eaters"
Wow, I am impressed with what you all put into this.

Will you create a separate category for Tonks' hair? Do we even know what is her natural colour? (Or if it's curly, straight, etc).

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Peregrine - Mar 21, 2004 11:44 pm (#182 of 196)

I just have Tonks checked off all over the place...violet, pink, red, blonde, steel grey. She's a tough one. One would assume her hair's either blonde or black judging by the others in her family. Maybe I'll give her a footnote.

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vball man - Mar 24, 2004 9:12 am (#183 of 196)

He is no fool who gives up what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot loose. - Jim Elliot
Re: Important hair details being kept accurate in movies:

I know eye color is OT, but JKR has said that eye color IS important, and yet, it was not perserved in the movies.

Also, One question that I have for this line of thought is: Are Harry's and Hermione's Hair similar because they're both unmanagable? I know they're different colors, but are "bushiness" and "stubborn untidiness" similar?? Could "untidiness" be a male version of "bushiness"?

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Choices - Mar 24, 2004 7:15 pm (#184 of 196)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
No, I think even thin hair can be untidy, but only thick hair can be bushy. Harry's hair was untidy or messy, whereas Hermione's hair stuck out because it was so thick and wavy, not because it was messy. LOL Don't know why this strikes me as funny?

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Emily - Apr 23, 2004 6:13 pm (#185 of 196)

Has anyone done anything about that chart? I still really want to see it all laid out, if possible.

Another question: Does how a peson wear their hair have anything to do with their personality?

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Chris. - Apr 25, 2004 6:59 am (#186 of 196)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Only one I can think of...

McGonagall with her black hair pulled into a tight bun, disaproves of letting her hair down. = Strict nature.

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Choices - Apr 25, 2004 10:07 am (#187 of 196)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think it also shows that McGonagall is tidy and businesslike - not given to frills....and yes, definitely strict, but not in a bad way. Not strict like Umbridge. McGonagal is very caring and good, but knows that with a large group of students you must maintain structure and discipline or you will have chaos.

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Peregrine - Apr 26, 2004 12:15 pm (#188 of 196)

The charts are all done. I just can't figure out a way to display them (I'm not internet savy enough). If anyone has a suggestion, I'd love to hear it.

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Chris. - Apr 26, 2004 12:17 pm (#189 of 196)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Maybe they could be displayed on the Lexicon?

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Tomoé - Apr 27, 2004 6:19 pm (#190 of 196)

Back in business
Here's the excell file Perigrine sent me months ago : [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

I added a page sorted by hair color instead of alphabetical order.

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Chris. - Apr 27, 2004 6:46 pm (#191 of 196)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
I don't have Windows Excell, so unfortunately I can't get the file.

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Tomoé - Apr 27, 2004 9:26 pm (#192 of 196)

Back in business
Not to worry, not to worry.

The alphabetical Chart in html

The Hair Color Chart in html

The abbreviations and footnotes meaning in html

Edit : I reloaded the Hair Color Chart, the color names in the left column weren't legible.

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Chris. - Apr 27, 2004 9:37 pm (#193 of 196)

HBP: 16th July 2005: the most anticipated day in history
Tomoe, thanks a great deal for posting the links to the HTML versions. There has been a lot of work put into both the Alphebetical Chart and the Hair Colour Chart.

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Tomoé - Apr 27, 2004 9:44 pm (#194 of 196)

Back in business
Kingsley -> There has been a lot of work put into both the Alphabetical Chart and the Hair Colour Chart.

Not so much work put into the Hair Colour Chart, Peregrine did the job, I just rearrange the data a little bit. ^_~

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Peregrine - Apr 28, 2004 12:51 pm (#195 of 196)

I also made a less chart-y chart. Two word files...one listing each character alphabetically with the quotes underneath them and the other a list of hair color with the characters underneath them:

Black, Sirius

“When Harry had said good-bye, Sirius’s face had been gaunt and sunken, surrounded by a quantity of long, black, matted hair–but the hair was short and clean now….” – GoF Ch. 19, Pg. 331 US (290 UK)

“[Sirius’s] black hair was longer than it had been when he appeared in the fire, and it was untidy and matted once more.” – GoF Ch. 27, Pg. 521 US (452 UK)

“Then a man with long black hair came charging out of a door facing Harry.” – OoP Ch. 4, Pg. 78 US (74 UK)

Jet Black

Potter, Harry Riddle, Tom Padfoot

Let me know if these will be useful too and we'll figure something out.

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Emily - Apr 28, 2004 2:14 pm (#196 of 196)

Thank you, Peregrine and Tomoe, you did a great job!
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