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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Mrs. Sirius on Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:59 pm

Oh my! I had read something about the show so I had predicted as much. My husband had suggest there might be another route they could take, alas....

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Solitaire on Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:48 am

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Yes, I'd read that Dan Stevens was leaving the show, so I suspected they would do something to him ... but this was a bit of a gut-punch. It's funny, too, because I typed in that expression at Google (Matthew's death a gut-punch) and saw that others had used the same terminology! So ... the two new Grantham heirs have lost parents, and Downton has lost--as one reviewer put it--its "moral compass." For that is surely what Matthew has been. Face it ... Mary was not a very nice character before she fell in love with Matthew.

Perhaps Matthew's death will bring Tom Branson forward more. Robert is finally on board with the changes Matthew has said need to occur ... and now Matthew is gone. Does Thomas know enough of what Matthew had planned to implement it all? I hope so. He may just solidify his place in the family if he manages to save Downton. Just so long as he stays away from the young housemaids ... He had quite an emotional moment with Mrs. Hughes. I wonder if she is going to become his "guidepost" in the house. She wants to see him succeed, and he seems to trust her enough to be so vulnerable.

I thought scenes with Carson and baby Sybil were priceless! He seems more like a REAL grandfather, doesn't he?

I've always thought O'Brien was a pretty nasty piece of work--what she did to Lady Grantham proved that--but I see that "Mrs. Shrimpy's" maid is just as nasty. Poor Molesley! I bet he had one heckuva hangover after drinking that loaded punch intended for O'Brien and dancing that wild reel! LOL

It looks as though Thomas has been redeemed after saving Jimmy's hide, so perhaps all is sorted out in the servants' quarters (now that Edna has departed). I still remember, though, all of the nasty things Thomas and O'Brien did to poor Bates. And I also remember how Thomas received his "war wound." He was a coward, not a hero.

I know Isobel discouraged Dr. Clarkson's overtures last night, but now I'm wondering ... with Matthew gone, will she relent? She may need some help getting over this loss. She has always been so stalwart, but I'm guessing this might push her over the edge. Perhaps Dr. Clarkson can reel her back!

I hope with Matthew gone, Anna and Bates will come back into the forefront. I like them.

I really hope Edith is careful ... I'm telling you, she needs to go to Amerca ... NOW! Perhaps I should write to Julian Fellowes and have him send her there. Smile

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Lady Arabella on Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:43 pm

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I agree that the family has lost a moral compass - when Matthew first arrived the family despised him because of his origins (although he knew perfectly well how to behave!), but he certainly had better ethics and compassion than most of them, and unlike them doesn't have a sense of entitlement.

It's too bad the writers chose to kill off the character instead of sending Matthew on a business trip, or hiring another actor. Matthew as heir is integral to the story line - although perhaps a new actor with Michelle Dockery wouldn't have the same chemistry. Never mind - that idea didn't work very well for Samantha and Darrin Stevens, so probably wouldn't for Mary and Matthew! And although I knew what to expect, I thought is was horrible that the car crash was the final scene.

How long does the series take to shoot? Since it's only shown for 6-7 weeks here, it's hard to imagine it taking up a large part of the year, unlike an American television series. It seems like Dan Stevens could have done other things while doing Downton Abbey - certainly Maggie Smith and Penelope Wilton filmed the Marigold Hotel movie while on hiatus from Downton Abbey.

I hope Mrs. Crawley reconsiders turning down Dr. Clarkson - I thought they made a nice couple.

Rose grew on me a little bit. Maybe O'Brien will accompany Susan (what was the last name or title?) to India since she wants some adventure and the current maid doesn't.
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Solitaire on Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:30 am

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I think Rose might have been on her good behavior in front of her dad.

I, too, wondered why Dan Stevens couldn't have been replaced, or why they couldn't have "written around" him and his schedule. Good heavens! Maggie Smith managed to do a couple of HP movies while undergoing chemotherapy for breast cancer, and still managed make other movies, Deathy Hallows Part 2, AND do Downton Abbey ... and she's nearly 80! If anyone of the cast is busy, she is. I actually think David Morrissey might have made a nice (if slightly older) Matthew. Interestingly, he played Col. Brandon in the same 2008 miniseries of Sense & Sensibility, where I first saw Dan Stevens as Edward Ferrars! No, he isn't as handsome as Dan, but he has a nice intensity, and I can picture him with Michelle Dockery. I don't know why Julian Fellowes didn't consult me before making such a serious decision. Really, he should be more careful!

I read that O'Brien had not renewed her contract, either--at least, not the last I read--so perhaps she will move on. Who knows? Season 4 will be interesting.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Verity Weasley on Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:34 am

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Lady Arabella wrote:
Maybe O'Brien will accompany Susan (what was the last name or title?) to India since she wants some adventure and the current maid doesn't.

Yes, that was my prediction when I watched that episode. Just as long as Downton doesn't get the other sour maid in return.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Solitaire on Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:49 am

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I suppose Anna could move up ... but she is probably too loyal to Lady Mary to do so. And now, Mary is going to need help more than ever. I hope she doesn't return to her pre-Matthew attitudes and behavior. I didn't much care for her character back in those early days. Anyway, I hope that, if a new maid comes in to take O'Brien's place, she is not another schemer. They still have Thomas for that department, remember!

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  shepherdess on Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:10 pm

How old is Rose? Could she become Branson's next love interest?
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Lady Arabella on Tue Feb 19, 2013 6:35 pm

If the story mentioned Rose's age, I don't remember, but she must be 18 or so - her mother asked Cora if it would be too much work/effort to bring her out while the parents are in India, and generally girls made their debut at 18 or 19. She would be a good love interest for Branson given a few more years to mature.

Solitaire wrote: I don't know why Julian Fellowes didn't consult me before making such a serious decision. Really, he should be more careful!

LOL!! I agree. What was he thinking? I think any of us here could have given him better advice than that which he got.

I had to look up David Morrissey, but when I did, I could see him as Matthew.

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I don't know if we need spoiler boxes at his point . . . but one thing that surprised me was the dance at Doneghal where guests and servants mingled. Was it being given for the tenants, or for "the gentry?" It seemed odd to have the Downton Abbey servants dancing with Shrimpy and Susan's guests.

And was it ever mentioned or discussed as to why the opening credits were of the dog's backside? Was it an unfortunate camera shot that no one noticed, or was a statement being made?
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Verity Weasley on Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:46 pm

And was it ever mentioned or discussed as to why the opening credits were of the dog's backside? Was it an unfortunate camera shot that no one noticed, or was a statement being made?

I'm sure it wasn't an accident, but whether it was supposed to make some kind of statement I don't know. It's just the Lord of the estate out walking with his dog and surveying all he is master of. I like the opening credits. It's a very comforting sight seeing old (insert dog's name here) tail waddling over the verdant countryside. (I can't remember the dog's name, but it's on the tip of my tongue) And I don't think we need a spoiler box to discuss the dog's bottom!

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Solitaire on Thu Feb 21, 2013 10:55 am

I think the dog's name is Isis.

shepherdess wrote:How old is Rose? Could she become Branson's next love interest?
Shepherdess, I wouldn't doubt it ... although he might be too serious for her. I'm not sure how old she is--sixteen, perhaps? Since she needs a chaperone, she must not yet be 18, or whatever the legal age was at that time.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Lady Arabella on Fri Feb 22, 2013 6:19 pm

Speaking of Rose, just saw this on Yahoo . . .

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/downton-abbey-promotes-troublemaker-rose-season-4-233000934.html
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  shepherdess on Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:27 pm

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"Lady Mary's new love interest"? Already?!

I'm losing track of time. In which year did the last episode take place? How long were Mary and Matthew married? And wasn't Little Sybil a year old in the last episode? So there was about a year between the deaths of Sybil and Matthew, right?
Guess we need to start a thread for season 4.
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Solitaire on Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:32 pm

You're right, Shepherdess.
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I'm sorry ... I think it's too soon for Mary to have a love interest, unless more than a year has passed by the time Season 4 starts. Truthfully, I think we need to get Edith a REAL love interest--one that has potential to get her to the altar and into a happy and LASTING marriage--before starting up with Mary again! JM2K, of course!

BTW, I agree with the yahoo comments that said Rose was a twit. I don't like her a bit. As for Mary's love interest ... she and Matthew have given the Crawleys a male heir, and Sybil and Branson have given them a female heir. Let Tom and Mary grieve. Besides, as Edith can attest, didn't WWI wipe out or disable a great many men of marriageable age for women of Mary's generation? If not, why was Edith chasing someone old enough to be her dad, for Pete's sake? **shaking head**

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Lady Arabella on Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:00 pm

News about Season 4 . . .
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http://www.vanityfair.com/online/oscars/2013/02/downton-abbey-season-four-lady-mary-love-interest-black-character

Honestly - We (and Mary!) need time to grieve Matthew's death, and Mary has had her share of men. Why not spend some time on Lady Edith's love life????
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Solitaire on Fri Mar 01, 2013 10:24 pm

I just read the following in that article:

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The show is reportedly seeking someone “black and very handsome” who can play a “real man (not a boy) with charm and charisma.” [If the “real man (not a boy)” requirement does not suggest that Jack Ross will stir some romantic feelings within at least one Downton Abbey resident, we would be very surprised.] Downton is also reportedly searching for “a party-loving cad” who “must be able to act drunk.”

Does either sound like a match for Edith, to me? Nooooooo! Both sound like someone Rose will dally with, however ... especially the second one!

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Post  Verity Weasley on Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:09 pm

However, neither of those sound like a genuine description that the producers would put out. Perhaps these characters are being introduced but I just can't see them being described in that way. That sounds more like The Sun, which is the source for this information. I mean, being able to 'act drunk' is something you would expect from any actor, I don't see why that would be specified.

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Post  Solitaire on Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:17 pm

I agree that it doesn't really sound like something Julian Fellowes (?) would post. I'm not sure, though, that just any actor would be able to do a convincing drunk.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 3

Post  Lady Arabella on Tue Mar 05, 2013 4:13 pm

More Season 4 news!

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I like the idea of Kiri Te Kanawa - I love her voice. Although at the age of 68, she might not sound the way she used to.
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