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Did Snape's Loyalty Turn Out the Way You Expected?

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Re: Did Snape's Loyalty Turn Out the Way You Expected?

Post  Lady Arabella on Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:34 pm

 Did Severus's loyalty turn out the way you expected? (8/29/07-9/14/07)

Edited Sep 15, 2007 1:09 am

   A - Yes, knew it all along (honestly!)
   B - No, totally devastated and am writing a complaint as we speak
   C - No, but satisfied with the outcome
   D - No, and still a little confused
   E - Eh, wasn't concerned about him

Please make a choice of one of the five answers above. No fence-sitters! (Based on a suggestion by me and my shadow 813)

This poll will be closed some time after 8pm (server time) on September 14th.

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rambkowalczyk - Aug 29, 2007 7:07 am (#1 of 45)
Edited by Kip Carter Aug 29, 2007 7:35 am

C and D are the same?

You are correct. I have made the edits and everything should be correct now. I apologize for the wait. Had telephone call at the wrong time and did not return to finish up what I had started. - Kip

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Esther Rose - Aug 29, 2007 7:59 am (#2 of 45)

C

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Phelim Mcintyre - Aug 29, 2007 9:07 am (#3 of 45)

I want to vote B but will vote C

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Elanor - Aug 29, 2007 9:16 am (#4 of 45)

A

**waves to Phelim, remembering the discussions after Snape's trial at the Accio conference (where I did vote "not guilty")**

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TomProffitt - Aug 29, 2007 9:29 am (#5 of 45)

I guess I have to go with "D." I really thought the explanation of his loyalty was just fine and worked out to my satisfaction. I'm just confused by the way Harry named his kid after him, there's more going on there than was adequately explained for me.

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Nicoline Vance - Aug 29, 2007 10:19 am (#6 of 45)

E, Where Snape's true loyalty lay never really concerned me. I think I may have been more surprised if he had turned out to be a loyal deatheater. I was totally shocked by the support he received when I joined the Forum (just after the release of HBP), and it was only then that I even considered Snape's loyalty might be a significant plot point.

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journeymom - Aug 29, 2007 10:34 am (#7 of 45)

A- but none of these choices describe my answer to this question. Did Severus's loyalty turn out the way I expected? Yes, I've thought for a long time that Snape was acting per Dumbledore's orders. Between Voldemort and Dumbledore, Snape was loyal to Dumbledore, and I knew it. Snape may have come to appreciate and care for Dumbledore. But it turns out that Severus was motivated by Lily, to the very end. And I don't know how to fit that in with the above five choices.

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zelmia - Aug 29, 2007 10:52 am (#8 of 45)

F? There needs to be a choice for "Yes, but..."

I didn't know all along. In fact, it was actually Snape killing Dumbledore that finally convinced me he was Dumbledore's man. But I agree with Tom. I am confused about why Harry considers Snape to be "the bravest" when surely that distinction belongs to Neville - who, apart from Harry and Dumbledore is the only character to literally stand right up to Voldemort and tell him to take a flying leap.

Having said that, I don't think there was ever going to be a completely satisfactory resolution to Snape's story.

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legolas returns - Aug 29, 2007 11:18 am (#9 of 45)

C-75% and A-25%-I got some things correct but nowhere near enough.

I choose C

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wynnleaf - Aug 29, 2007 11:47 am (#10 of 45)

A

I knew he was loyal, and strongly suspected that he'd been close friends with Lily, if not possibly in love with her. I always thought a schoolboy infatuation couldn't explain that degree of commitment and thought it was more strong friendship.

What surprised me was the degree of manipulation that Dumbledore used on Snape, when Snape's degree of commitment to Lily wouldn't seem to require that much manipulation to get him to risk his life for years.

I was also unsurprised to see that Dumbledore was a kind of mentor to Snape, but was surprised at the ongoing manipulative tone of that mentoring.

I had rightly predicted that Harry would have to both accept Snape's loyalty and forgive him before JKR would have Harry defeat LV. And I had also predicted that Harry would have to do something showing his trust in Snape's loyalty prior to defeating LV. However, I was very much surprised that there were no direct scenes between the two other than right at Snape's death.

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Xenophilius - Aug 29, 2007 12:08 pm (#11 of 45)

A - I was certain Snape was Dumbledore's man and he was acting out of guilt over the death of Lily. I knew he was conflicted over Harry because of his resemblance to James, but I had expected an emotional maturity that Snape did not possess. I suspected his behaviour toward Harry, which was always over the top, was a ruse to hide is activities and protect him from Voldemort and the Death Eaters.

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Choices - Aug 29, 2007 12:13 pm (#12 of 45)

A - I, too, trusted Severus Snape from the get-go.

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Good Evans - Aug 29, 2007 12:51 pm (#13 of 45)

A - I trusted Snape after he was shown not to be a bad guy in book one. He was always the archtypical bad guy, so he had to be good. I didn’t get the Lily "love" though, I just thought he was deep down decent - and hankered for the Madam Pince theory too.

but if A - is that I knew he was loyal to Dumbledore, then I am an out and out A!!

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rambkowalczyk - Aug 29, 2007 6:52 pm (#14 of 45)

C

No doubt that he was Dumbledore's man. But I expected the Lone Crusader.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Aug 29, 2007 6:56 pm (#15 of 45)

C. I still don't like Snape. A friendship was the only way it would work for me. I think the falling in love thing would have turned to hate. His loyalty was because of Lily not Dumbledore. If the chosen one was Neville Snape would have never helped Dumbledore. I don't think Snape was a good person. LPO

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Mediwitch - Aug 29, 2007 7:25 pm (#16 of 45)

I guess I will have to vote A; I've long suspected Snape was working with the "good guys", but I never really liked the Snape-loved-Lily theory, so I was wrong about why he wasn't really a loyal Death Eater.

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Finn BV - Aug 29, 2007 7:27 pm (#17 of 45)

A. Hate to brag, but I finished that chapter, and besides firmly believing that Harry was not a Horcrux, I just said out loud, "I called everything in that chapter!" I've always thought he was not with Voldemort from the beginning, but what really secured it for me was Chapter 2 of HBP -- I knew JKR wouldn't so apparently reveal something as major as that so early on in the penultimate book.

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geauxtigers - Aug 29, 2007 8:11 pm (#18 of 45)

A This was the one thing I was confident on going into DH! I've always said that Dumbledore trusted Snape, and I trust Dumbledore, therefor I trust Snape! LOL I always said that Dumbledore wouln't have been THAT wrong about Snape! Okay so I'm bragging, I've been bragging about that one a lot though as its really the only big theory that I was right about! LOL

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megfox* - Aug 29, 2007 8:45 pm (#19 of 45)

Well, kinda A, but only because I didn't think that Snape could possibly have been anything other than DD man's, but I was devastated at the end of HBP. I kept hoping for Snape's redemption (and I will not get into that here, it's for the Snape thread ). I agree with geauxtigers, I trust Dumbledore, ergo, I trust Snape.

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spinowner - Aug 30, 2007 7:54 am (#20 of 45)

A is the closest. I had pegged Snape's devotion to Lily and that the animosity toward Harry was not only because of his physical resemblance to James but because Harry was such a strong reminder that of all the people to lose Lily to, it was that toerag James Potter. JKR did as much as she could to plant uncertainty in the readers' minds but I never doubted.

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Joanna Lupin - Aug 30, 2007 12:48 pm (#21 of 45)

A - for the same reason as magfox, I didn't want to believe Snape was Voldemort's but the end of HBP really bothered me.

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Madame Pomfrey - Aug 30, 2007 3:10 pm (#22 of 45)

c. I too thought that Dumbledore's trust in Snape had to do with Lily somehow. I thought he went back to the Dark Side when Voldemort got his body back.I wasn't surprised he was working for Dumbledore,but satisfied. I still don't care for him. He's pathetic.

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Nicholas Schouten - Aug 30, 2007 8:08 pm (#23 of 45)

A - Yes, knew it all along (honestly!)

Knew he was DD's man, if grudgingly so. His ending is probably the most logical, if one wants Harry to have the kind of 19 year epilogue that Harry does. Snape was betrayed by his own faults ("Mudblood" rising to his lips), he "betrayed" LV without ever fully embracing the "good side" and he was betrayed by LV; only death could bring Snape peace; knew he most likely would die, and knew it probably wouldn't be by Harry's hand. Wonder what would have happened if Snape had ever gotten his mits on the Peverell Stone...

-Nick

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mona amon - Aug 30, 2007 9:15 pm (#24 of 45)

A - Yes, knew it all along (honestly!)

Severus is my favourite character and the reason I became a HP fan, and I always knew he was Dumbledore's man through and through. The surprise for me was how evil he was before he changed. It gave me the shock of my life to find out that he cared nothing about James and baby Harry!

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virginiaelizabeth - Aug 30, 2007 9:17 pm (#25 of 45)

A This was just about the only thing I was 100% sure of. About the only thing I got right to be honest!

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azi - Aug 31, 2007 2:35 am (#26 of 45)

C

I didn't think that Lily was involved in Snape's actions. I do, however, still believe I was correct in that Snape was acting purely for his own interests, rather than good or evil.

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painting sheila - Aug 31, 2007 6:45 am (#27 of 45)

C

I don't know how I feel about Snape. I am sure I didn't like him as a person, but I do feel pity for him. Such a sad lonely life.

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Mrs. Sirius - Aug 31, 2007 10:03 am (#28 of 45)

A

I always felt that Severus Snape was working for Dumbledore. At the end of HBP when SS was running away and Harry was chasing, I was convinced after the first reading that he was giving Harry advice on how to defeat Voldemort. When I re-read it, it did not seem as obvious. When Snape was about to AK DD and DD said Severus, to me, it was obvious, to that DD was begging Snape to go through with it.

Snape's motivation for working with DD, I did not come close to guessing. On that point I felt rather clueless. It was suggested here many years ago that Snape had a thing for Lily. I never bought into that theory. I thought DD had been unusually kind to SS. Perhaps help him as he had helped Hagrid and Lupin. But I should have remembered "love".

Edit: Mediwitch, yes very sad and lonely, saved (from LV fate) only by the fact that he had once loved.

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Anna L. Black - Aug 31, 2007 12:30 pm (#29 of 45)

A.

Lots of people here have said what I think, but to sum it up: I became certain he's DD's man after HBP (I always marvelled at how JKR was able to make us debate Snape's loyalties even more than before when he supposedly did something so drastic.) But I always hoped that it had nothing to do with Lily - this theory was out there from the moment I found myself in the fandom, and I kept hoping it'd come out differently.

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Verity Weasley - Sep 1, 2007 1:04 am (#30 of 45)

I would have to vote A as that is the closest. I was convinced Snape was Dumbledore's man although I thought there would be more to it than his being in love with Lily. I also thought Snape would die saving Harry in some way. Although I was firmly convinced that Snape was on the right side, I have to say that after the first couple of chapters of DH JKR had me doubting my belief!

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Tazzygirl - Sep 1, 2007 2:37 am (#31 of 45)

Count me in the C group, I guess. I honestly thought Snape was Voldy's man, and I did not think he liked Lily at all. I didn't read any of the threads on him, so it was all based on what I thought. When I read that he actually was a 'good guy', I was surprised.

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PatPat - Sep 1, 2007 7:03 pm (#32 of 45)

The closest for me is A. I definitely thought he was Dumbledore's man, but I can't say that I didn't have the tiniest of doubts along the way. It was just written so perfectly that I had to think at times "Maybe I'm wrong." Snape's story is Jo's crowning achievement in my opinion.

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Potteraholic - Sep 2, 2007 6:56 am (#33 of 45)


C
Like others, I believed that Snape was DD's man through and through and was only doing DD's bidding when he AK'd him, but had no idea that the reason for it was his love for Lily and his desire to atone for her murder.

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NFla Barbara - Sep 3, 2007 8:38 am (#34 of 45)

A for me. As PatPat said, I did have doubts along the way, and I spent many hours thinking and rethinking after HBP. But for me it all boiled down to DD's trust. So "I knew it all along" is perhaps too strong, but it's the closest choice.

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Chemyst - Sep 3, 2007 3:02 pm (#35 of 45)

A   I expected him to be loyal to Voldemort's opposition, who happened to be Dumbledore. (Which is another way of emphasizing how much he was working for his own motives, and not blind Dumbledore-worship.)

His motivation for that loyalty and the manner in which Dumbledore manipulated it were different in the details than I'd expected, but since Order of the Phoenix, I thought he was loyal to Dumbledore because he was incredibly angry at Voldemort. A re-read of Dumbledore's death in HBP strengthened the notion that Snape was loyal to Dumbledore.

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maria cloos - Sep 4, 2007 11:38 am (#36 of 45)

I vote A

I think we have to trust Hermione and DD....DD trusted him....Hermione pointed out that if we can't DD, who can we?

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Pamzter - Sep 5, 2007 5:01 pm (#37 of 45)

A - all of my thoughts on Snape turned out to be dead on (including his patronus) except I thought he and Lily had been lab partners and she had taken him home for holiday where Pet met him.

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Madam Pince - Sep 5, 2007 7:10 pm (#38 of 45)

A - knew it all along.

Like Ginny said, it's the one thing I was 100% sure of, and one of the few things I got right!

I always turned his nastiness around to see if there wasn't some other way to view it, and I came up with the "drill sergeant" analogy -- I was sure he was just trying to be tough on Harry to try to train him and make him stronger in order to protect him. The only nasty I couldn't reconcile with this was when he said "I see no difference" about Hermione's teeth -- that was flat-out rude. But his loyalty was never in question with me.

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Sticky Glue - Sep 7, 2007 6:04 pm (#39 of 45)

I'll go with "c" I think

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katrira - Sep 8, 2007 3:25 pm (#40 of 45)

A- I trusted DD who trusted Snape. The fact that Snape reminded me of a teacher I once had (mean, nasty, rarely a kind for any other than his favorites) actually helped. I may not like either of them as people and don't think much of their methods, but I never doubted their abilities, knowledge or where their hearts truly lay.

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freshwater - Sep 10, 2007 6:49 pm (#41 of 45)

A....always knew that he was the consummate player in this intrigue. Although I never bought into the Snape/Lily ship, so I was caught unawares by the Snape/Lily friendship-leading-to-love...although it makes sense to me. Even though events in HBP --at Snape's home, not with DD's death-- had me toying with the possibility of Snape being less than loyal to DD, I always felt his character would be JKR's example of a thoroughly unpleasant, mean, hateful person who is nevertheless doing the right thing...in the larger sense at least. Lesson to be learned: not all good guys are warm, fuzzy bunnies.

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Luna Logic - Sep 11, 2007 2:15 am (#42 of 45)

A - Yes, knew it all along
I had some moments of doubt after reading the Tower chapter in HBP, but the Flight of the Prince convinced me that Snape was trying (in his tactful way!) to give a last lesson to Harry. Then, re reading Dumbledore's death I thought that the "please Severus" was not in Dumbledore's manner, unless he was reminding him of a promise.

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Mrs Brisbee - Sep 14, 2007 11:03 am (#43 of 45)

My answer would be "Yes, but I was against it!", but I think A.B as an answer is considered fence sitting, so can't count me I guess!

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Jenniffler - Sep 14, 2007 12:38 pm (#44 of 45)

Definitely C

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Kip Carter - Sep 15, 2007 1:16 am (#45 of 45)

Did Severus's loyalty turn out the way you expected?

The winner is A - Yes, knew it all along (honestly!) with 27 of the 41 actual qualified votes submitted.

   A - Yes, knew it all along (honestly!) - 27 votes (65.9%)
   B - No, totally devastated and am writing a complaint as we speak - No votes (0.0%)
   C - No, but satisfied with the outcome - 12 votes (29.3%)
   D - No, and still a little confused - 1 vote (2.4%)
   E - Eh, wasn't concerned about him - 1 vote (2.4%)

Please make a choice of one of the five answers above. No fence-sitters! (Based on a suggestion by me and my shadow 813)
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