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Post  John Bumbledore Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:30 pm

legolas - Oct 30, 2004 7:56 am (#2451 of 2901)

I am going to be checking out the website when I get home from a Halloween party tonight. The clocks go back at 1 or 2am I think so it should be ok at midnight. Depends wha time the website gets updated though I suppose.

Hooray for the extra hour in bed.

Gina R Snape - Oct 30, 2004 9:21 am (#2452 of 2901)

Yesterday the update did happen at about midnight because I happened to go look at just a few minutes past 7pm EST (we are 5 hours behind) and noticed Molly's birthday had been posted.

So, of course murphy's law would have it that the clock falls back tonight, when some of us are most eager to see possible changes on the website!!!

Adami - Oct 30, 2004 9:31 am (#2453 of 2901)

Yes, finally a long time to sleep... And I'm in ravenclaw

Jessalynn Quirky - Oct 30, 2004 10:08 am (#2454 of 2901)

Happy birthday, Molly!

And Happy Halloween everyone! Only one more day until an update (we hope!) so just hang in there and please get lots of screen shots (or whatever you call them) because I can't get on tomorrow.


El Cronista de Salem - Oct 30, 2004 10:18 am (#2455 of 2901) "
Edited by Kip Carter Oct 30, 2004 10:19 am

The door is being prepared to be opened. Maybe in Halloween.

emma bailey - Oct 30, 2004 11:24 am (#2456 of 2901)

Happy birthday Molly

Neville Longbottom - Oct 30, 2004 12:36 pm (#2457 of 2901)

Happy Birthday, Molly.

By the way, is the website really always updated at midnight in the U.K. ? I thought only the birthdays are added then. So I wouldn't give up hope, if there's nothing new tonight. It can still happen tomorrow.

Ainsley Black - Oct 30, 2004 1:08 pm (#2458 of 2901)

Hey El Cronista de Salem - how do you know that the door is being prepared to open? Is there some clue somewhere that the rest of us haven't noticed? I hate missing things!!!!

Thora - Oct 30, 2004 2:46 pm (#2459 of 2901)

hawkeyetkdchick- thanks for the links, I will have to do some reading on that thread, though it's been ages since chemistry so I will probably be quite lost.

Yo know it's really sad that I've spent the entire day cleaning and it's STILL not 8pm est. I'm going to go nutts waiting..... well perhaps I should polish the silver....

Happy Birthday to my favorite Mum.


Elanor - Oct 30, 2004 4:04 pm (#2460 of 2901)

It is 1 a.m. here in France, that is to say midnight in UK. I've just checked Jo's site: there is no birthday mentioned for today and the door is still closed, but I guess the door still may open later today! Good night!

legolas - Oct 30, 2004 4:10 pm (#2461 of 2901)

Hey all its 00:08 uk and the door has not opened again. They have removed Mollys birthday from yesterday and the wizard of the month is back to Glenda Chittock . I cant see any changes beyond that and that it says the 31st on the diary. It cant be Snapes birthday today-It was good speculating. To say that I am really disapointed is a complete understatement.

Hollywand - Oct 30, 2004 4:18 pm (#2462 of 2901)

Friends, the time change would be from October 31-November 1st, the All Hallow's Eve to All Saint's Day. That is to say if there will be one. The Witching Hour is yet to arrive! Have courage! ;-)

legolas - Oct 30, 2004 4:23 pm (#2463 of 2901)

Sniff. I will try my best to keep my chin up till then I was a little concerned .

Aurora Gubbins - Oct 30, 2004 4:26 pm (#2464 of 2901)

Happy Hallowe'en everyone! I've just gone under the Hat and I'm in Ravenclaw!!

Maybe Snape will be a bit of a saint and his birthday will turn out to be on 1st November.

Waiting for news on JKR site...

Aurora xxx

Gina R Snape - Oct 30, 2004 4:27 pm (#2465 of 2901)

Molly's birthday is down, but the calendar still says 30/10! There's still hope yet!!!

EDIT: Hey, Aurora. Your lips to JKR's ears, my dear!!!

legolas - Oct 30, 2004 4:30 pm (#2466 of 2901)

That would certainly put a different slant on things. Born 00:01 on the 1st nov. Evil ends and good appears. Dont know if I believe that but I can live in hope.

ITs says the 31st on the JKR.com site

Gina R Snape - Oct 30, 2004 4:54 pm (#2467 of 2901)

Very odd. I've got it up with another browser window and it says 30/10. I'm in NYC. Where are you?

legolas - Oct 30, 2004 4:56 pm (#2468 of 2901)

Birmingham, UK.

Quibbler Editor In Chief - Oct 30, 2004 5:00 pm (#2469 of 2901)

It says 30/10 here in Chicago as well.

legolas - Oct 30, 2004 5:03 pm (#2470 of 2901)

I checked again. It might just be a different time zone thing going on.

Ann - Oct 30, 2004 5:10 pm (#2471 of 2901)

It's probably like the light and the butterflies and all that--the site reads the time off your computer's clock.... Hey, I wonder what would happen if you reset your computer's clock for November 1st? Would you get the witch or wizard of the month, at least? The birthdays if they are on the same calendar? Has anyone tried this?

Gina R Snape - Oct 30, 2004 5:27 pm (#2472 of 2901)

Well it looks like legolas has the 'scoop' here. If it says 31/10 in Britain and nothing has changed, so I guess nothing has changed.

Grindylow - Oct 30, 2004 5:36 pm (#2473 of 2901)

I checked here in Tennessee and it still says 10/30 with no new updates. I can't wait until she does update her site because I am desperate for new things!!!

Thora - Oct 30, 2004 7:00 pm (#2474 of 2901)

My screen (in Ohio) says Gleena Chitock, 30/10/04, no more Molly birthday cake. So to test the theory I set my computer forward a month, the only thing that changed was the date on the calendar, so no cheating to find out what's coming up. Alas, earwax.

All that nervous energy for nothing..... feels about like Sept 14th did... hey wait we got the rubbish bin the 16th!

Faint not, noble posters, our Fair Lady of Lyrical Lines shall not fail us! Take heart!

Thora Thora

emma bailey - Oct 30, 2004 7:38 pm (#2475 of 2901)

Happy day of the dead.

riotgrrrl - Oct 30, 2004 8:20 pm (#2476 of 2901)

Dia de los muertos.

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 12:51 am (#2477 of 2901)

I was thinking about Snape's birthday. If Jo wants it symbolical, it can be on All Saints Day but it can also be on November the 2nd because this day is the day of the deceased, not November the 1rst.

Besides that, Happy Halloween everyone!

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:48 am (#2478 of 2901)

I just got up again and there no entry sign has been removed. Smile

Can I see a way through - No.

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 1:28 am (#2479 of 2901)

Wow I went to the door and there was nothing new until Peaves came, lots of flying keys I finally picked the right one. There is her desk but i can't click on anything.

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 1:28 am (#2480 of 2901)

It is 10.30 a.m. in France (9.30 a.m. in UK) and THERE IS NO SIGN ON THE DOOR ANYMORE! But I can't open it for now!!!!!!!!! I came at once to tell you about, I'm going to check again!

wickedweasley - Oct 31, 2004 1:29 am (#2481 of 2901)

Me too. The do not disturb sign is gone but cannot open the door....Yet!

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:31 am (#2482 of 2901)

Thaks MB How long did it take?

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 1:37 am (#2483 of 2901)

OK, you wait 2 mn and a lot of keys fly, you catch one and put in in the key hole, then the door opens and you see Jo's desk. I am here, but I can't find something else to do... Do you?

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:40 am (#2484 of 2901)

Not yet. Have tried to clikck on everything.

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 1:43 am (#2485 of 2901)

Me too! Maybe we have to wait for Peeves to come again without touching anything?

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:44 am (#2486 of 2901)

Whats the document on top of the scrapbook?

Why show us her desk and poor housekeeping? It makes no sense. There has to be something else.

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 1:47 am (#2487 of 2901)

Here is the new clue. One by one we come to life, Then side-by-side we wait while our company swells in numbers, (Some come early some come late) And some of us may bore you, And some of us enthral, But you cannot choose between us you must take us one and all. We'll be bound together tightly for we're naught if we break free. If you'd like some clues about us simply answer: WHO ARE WE ?

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 1:47 am (#2488 of 2901)

I don't know! I wish I could read it. I am sure there is a way to read the message on the computer screen too...

Please, where do you read that Muggle born?

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 1:48 am (#2489 of 2901)

Open the drawer take out the magnifying glass

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:49 am (#2490 of 2901)

Open the drawer. There is a magnifying glass.

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:55 am (#2491 of 2901)

You can type in an answer at the end there is 8 blanks. I thought it was hangman but you can type in any letters. If we can figure this out we may get our reward. If you put in the wrong word it croses it out.


wickedweasley - Oct 31, 2004 1:57 am (#2492 of 2901) "
Edited by Oct 31, 2004 1:58 am

Ok I solved the clue, now it just showing me the Title of the book I can't figure out what to do next...

OH MY GOD! I got it it is chapter titles from the new book!

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 1:57 am (#2493 of 2901)

Elanor Hold the magnifying glass over the piece of paper on the book and click, Hope you find it.

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 1:58 am (#2494 of 2901)

The riddle makes me think to time: memories, days... And you?

wickedweasley - Oct 31, 2004 1:59 am (#2495 of 2901)

Elanor think more JK style think book composition...

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 2:01 am (#2496 of 2901)

The word is chapters !

Edit: I have put the word in white, not to spoil the surprise! I was so happy that I didn't thought to it while writing it first!

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 2:01 am (#2497 of 2901)

Wickedweasley. Worked it out. Smile You can lift some of them up.

Is chapter titles all we get?

wickedweasley - Oct 31, 2004 2:05 am (#2498 of 2901)

I know all the anticpation and then as exciting as it is the sense of anticlimax

Neville Longbottom - Oct 31, 2004 2:06 am (#2499 of 2901)

Where should this key appear? I'm waiting and waiting and nothing happens.

Edit: The moment I posted it the keys did appear. ;-)

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 2:07 am (#2500 of 2901)

I did not do any latin but is chapter 14 something to do with Chrsitmas?

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Post  John Bumbledore Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:31 pm

wickedweasley - Oct 31, 2004 2:08 am (#2501 of 2901)

Perhaps I had just read it as a Charactor name...

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 2:10 am (#2502 of 2901)

Neville: you just have to wait in front of the door for 2 or 3 minutes and the vase will fall and some keys will begin to fly.

In Latin, Felix means happy or something that brings you luck and happiness.

EDIT: have you serched if there is something else to discover?

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 2:15 am (#2503 of 2901)

So is Felicis a different form of it-like a plural/past tense. Something happy may occur.

Chapter 6 sounds interesting. It would be good if it was before school.

I think I guess it means that it will be a long book. Hooray.

As for chapter 2-Rampaging Aragog?

wickedweasley - Oct 31, 2004 2:23 am (#2504 of 2901)

What about the writng at the to left of the page? It seems to say Harry (circled) then something then Gargoyle?

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 2:23 am (#2505 of 2901)

It could be... I agree for chapter 6!

In fact, felix is an adjective: "felix, felicis, adj." is how it appears in my Latin dictionary. But it can refer to another Latin word "filix, filicis" (which is sometimes written felix too) which means fern and, by analogy, hair. It could well be a pun.

EDIT: yes, it seems to be Harry but the rest is difficult to read, I thought the first word may be "white" but I can't read the second.

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 2:29 am (#2506 of 2901)

Been looking at books to see what chapter 6 is

PS/SS-Journey from platform 9 3/4 COS-Gilderoy Lockhart POA-Talons and tea leaves GOF-The Portkey OOP-The noble and most ancient house of Black

Hey its all before school apart from POA. The first part of the book was so short because Harry ran away.

Ozymandias - Oct 31, 2004 4:16 am (#2507 of 2901)

Update! Huzzah!

As for chapter 2-Rampaging Aragog? -Legolas

I don't know. Since "Spinners" isn't possessive, it makes me think of a place name.

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 4:19 am (#2508 of 2901)

It does sound like a street name.

Quidditch Mom - Oct 31, 2004 4:36 am (#2509 of 2901)

My first impression on reading Ch 14's title was that of a cat -- and JKR's previous web site clue.

Amber Rose - Oct 31, 2004 4:36 am (#2510 of 2901)

Wow! What a great thing to wake up to on Halloween morning! JKR really knows how to get us to go through the paces!

septentrion - Oct 31, 2004 4:37 am (#2511 of 2901)

I may be a little thick but when you have the book title in front of you (thanks to everyone clues who allowed me to get there), did you do anything to get the chapter title ? Or did you manage to read what's written on the pieces of paper which lay here and there ? For I can't read them ! And if so, what do you read exactly ?

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 4:39 am (#2512 of 2901)

They are on the pages that come out of the top of the book. Click and drag them upward. The top three pages have the chapters on them.

septentrion - Oct 31, 2004 4:45 am (#2513 of 2901)

thanks wolfgrl !

Ronan - Oct 31, 2004 4:45 am (#2514 of 2901)

Please someone explain how to open the drawer. I click like mad and nothing happens :,(

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 4:46 am (#2515 of 2901)

You have to click and drag the drawer open. Open it all of the way to get the magnify glass.

Amber Rose - Oct 31, 2004 4:46 am (#2516 of 2901)

How do you know which key opens the door?

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 4:47 am (#2517 of 2901)

I don't think there is a way to tell which key opens the door. Just grab them and try them. Eventually one will work.

Wendelin the Weird - Oct 31, 2004 4:48 am (#2518 of 2901)

Okay the door is opened and then you have to slide open the desk drawer and solve the riddle.

Here is a screen cap and detail of riddle... so far no luck!

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ruthlesspenguin - Oct 31, 2004 4:48 am (#2519 of 2901)

Help! I can see and catch the keys, but every time I drag them over to the lock they just fly away again. Anyone know what I am doing wrong?


EDIT I knew that would happen. After trying for kalf an hour the second key after I post works! Sorry.

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 4:50 am (#2520 of 2901)

You are doing it correctly, once you get the correct key it will stay and work.

Richard !!!Reid - Oct 31, 2004 4:51 am (#2521 of 2901)

NO...The Do Not Disurb sign has not been removed for me.

Lori V - Oct 31, 2004 4:51 am (#2522 of 2901)

I don't think you are doing anything wrong. You just have to keep trying until you find the right one. It took me what seemed like forever to find the right one. I think she just wants to make us work harder this time to get the clue. Everytime that door opens I think it takes longer and more complicated to get to the clue. She just wants to keep us on our toes.

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 4:56 am (#2523 of 2901)

Richard Reid, which version of the site are you using? I think only jkrowling.com and .org are updated. This is normal, the others can take a few days to get all of the translating done. Otherwise try cleaning out your cache and then go back to the site and try again.

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 4:57 am (#2524 of 2901)

Wendelin, the riddle has been solved. If you really want to know the answer go back a few posts and highlight. Post 2501

Richard !!!Reid - Oct 31, 2004 5:04 am (#2525 of 2901)

I'm am using the .com one. I am from the UK, but still nothing.

wolfgrl - Oct 31, 2004 5:06 am (#2526 of 2901)

Richard, try the .org one.

Richard !!!Reid - Oct 31, 2004 5:08 am (#2527 of 2901)

Ok, will do.

Richard !!!Reid - Oct 31, 2004 5:10 am (#2528 of 2901)

YES, that seems to have solved it. Thank you.

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 5:33 am (#2529 of 2901)

Good morning everyone! Here it is already 2.30 p.m. and I am searching for a while about the chapter's clues. I was just wondering if chapter 14's title could be the name of a charm as she seems to give Latin names to incantations.

Hogs Head - Oct 31, 2004 5:36 am (#2530 of 2901)

Let me try that again -- typing the word that is the answer to the riddle into the phone on the home page doesn't seem to have any effect. (I tried to put the word in "white text" but it just posted as plain text -- sorry if that spoiled it for anyone.)

Phoenix song - Oct 31, 2004 5:52 am (#2531 of 2901)

I'm thinking that Chapter 2 would probably refer to the death of a certain giant beast that lives in the Forest. (Don't want to spoil it too much for those who haven't found the title out yet.) What do you think?


Sano - Oct 31, 2004 6:13 am (#2532 of 2901)

Sound's like that could be right...poor thing.

Edit: In other good news, now we know she's written at least 14 chapters! Very Happy

The Artful Dodger - Oct 31, 2004 6:15 am (#2533 of 2901)

I think Spinners End will be the location where Harry moves after his shortest stay at Privet Drive. That place should occur very early in the book, i. e. in the second chapter.

I wrote in invisible ink to avoid spoilers.

Daioma Dumbledore - Oct 31, 2004 6:19 am (#2534 of 2901)

Artful Dodger, I think you could be right! Sounds very much like that to me.

Aurora Gubbins - Oct 31, 2004 6:28 am (#2535 of 2901)

I agree with Ozymandias, Legolas and The Artful Dodger; If the title referred to a living being, there would be an apostrophe between the 'r' and the 's' of the first word, just as there is between the 'o' and the 's' of the chapter 6 title, which does refer to a being. I'd bet Galleons it is a place! Maybe it's something to do with Wormtail! Thanks to everyone posting clear and precise instructions to help those of us incapable of figuring it out (Particularly ME!) Happy Halloween, one and all! Now, where did I put that Cauldron Cake recipe...

remiden - Oct 31, 2004 6:33 am (#2536 of 2901)

I would like to remind everyone that like previous times when the door is opened, please spoilers in white until the door closes so as not to spoil anything for other posters who have not had the chance to figure out the clues for themselves.

May Crook - Oct 31, 2004 6:53 am (#2537 of 2901)

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that the last name of a certain quidditch player? referring to chapter 2

Sano - Oct 31, 2004 6:57 am (#2538 of 2901)

It is indeed...hope it doesn't mean what I think it does! But then again, I think a lot of things that probably wouldn't happen Razz.

Madame Pomfrey - Oct 31, 2004 7:01 am (#2539 of 2901)

OK,Someone please help me.The Do Not Disturb sign is gone.Peeves has came through and still no keys! Why won't they appear? Happy Halloween everyone.

Amos77 - Oct 31, 2004 7:05 am (#2540 of 2901)

Happy Halloween all! Madame Pomfrey, just give it a bit of time-mine took about ten minutes. The only problem I am having now is I cannot get the drawer to open-I am clicking and dragging-but it is not budging, any thoughts? Yeah-new clues:)SmileSmile

May Crook - Oct 31, 2004 7:10 am (#2541 of 2901)

well Jk herself said there would be more deaths I wonder if one would happen so early in the book.

Madame Pomfrey - Oct 31, 2004 7:12 am (#2542 of 2901)

Thank you Amos.Iquess I'm not being patient enough.Wish I could help you with the drawer but I haven't got that far.Sighs.

May Crook - Oct 31, 2004 7:12 am (#2543 of 2901)

I just placed my mouse on the handle of the desk drawer and dragged to the right

Ponine - Oct 31, 2004 7:34 am (#2544 of 2901)

May Crook - are you talking about a player on a school team? The only one I can think of is similar, but not identical?

Gina R Snape - Oct 31, 2004 7:38 am (#2545 of 2901)

May, the name you are thinking of is Alicia Spinnet, NOT Spinner

And on that note, the first thing that came to my mind for chapter two was Rita Skeeter. Her one year contract with Hermione is over, so maybe she'll get herself in a heap of trouble over a story and be the first character in HbP to get the axe...

Boy, this white type is difficult to read. How long do we need to keep it up?

Valis - Oct 31, 2004 7:38 am (#2546 of 2901)

Amos, are you using .com instead of .co.uk? I tried for a good half hour on .com, every key worked first time, and the drawer wouldn't open either, but when I went to .co.uk, it took me a while to get the right key, and the door gave me a loading sequence after it opened, and the drawer opens first time. Maybe there's a problem with .com right now?

Ponine - Oct 31, 2004 7:40 am (#2547 of 2901)

Question - I have been away for a while, and so am a little out of the loop - but has the ripped pages around her trash bin ben discussed? Particularly one of them does seem to be fairly interesting?? If this is really old news, could someone perhaps guide me to the right place? Happy Halloween, all!

JackO - Oct 31, 2004 7:51 am (#2548 of 2901)

I was having the same problem as Valis. I spent an hour or so on .com and couldn't get the keys. Then I decided to check .co.uk and within five minutes I had the chapter titles. I don't know if there is a problem with .com because it sounds like it worked for a lot of people, but it didn't for me so I recommend that if you haven't got it yet try there.

Madame Pomfrey - Oct 31, 2004 7:55 am (#2549 of 2901)

Im'm using .com.I have been waiting at the door for over 20 min. after peeves has blown through and still no keys.Maybe I should just try again later.

Veritaserum - Oct 31, 2004 7:58 am (#2550 of 2901)

yeah, I don't have the patience to wait to see if anything shows up. Could someone just give me the chapeter titles in invisible type please?

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riddikulus - Oct 31, 2004 8:02 am (#2551 of 2901)

UGH. I've got the key and opened the door... but I can't open the drawer. I've clicked, dragged, hit and screamed at my mouse and still nothing. Sad

septentrion - Oct 31, 2004 8:05 am (#2552 of 2901)

don't worry, veritaserum. If you have a working site, you won't wait for long for Peeves to come.

The titles are
chapter 2 : Spinners end
chapter 6 : Draco's detour
chapter 14 : FELIX FELICIS

about ch 6, I have a question : Can the word "detour" have a metaphorical meaning ? I mean, could Draco change his mind about something after having experienced something disagreable, this diseagreable thing being called a "detour" ? Hope I'm clear.

Gina R Snape - Oct 31, 2004 8:29 am (#2553 of 2901)

septentrion, you are correct. In english it can mean both things.

Something makes me think Draco will 'detour' and walk into something he oughtn't see. Like a DE meeting at the Malfoy Mansion or something else similar and sufficiently scary to give him a good shake. But her wording is so deliciously ambiguous that it really could be anything!

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 8:33 am (#2554 of 2901)

Septentrion detour means alternative route or short cut

conor maloney - Oct 31, 2004 8:34 am (#2555 of 2901)

well Jk herself said there would be more deaths I wonder if one would happen so early in the book

this is what i think will happen in the six book and the deaths. snape will be the new DADA teacher (since the role is hard to fill) and the new teacher will be in potions. now that snape and harry have something in common and there bond will grow tight. then later voldy might require snape to kidnap potter and bring harry to him. then snape has to save harry from voldy and dies in the process

LilyP - Oct 31, 2004 8:35 am (#2556 of 2901)

OK - things are acting really wierd on my computer. I finally got the drawer open - up and to the right seemed to work - so I've got the magnifying glass - but nothing is magnified. WHat am I doing wrong?? HELP!!

Zirtaheb - Oct 31, 2004 8:35 am (#2557 of 2901)

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It is interesant:

Summerbee, Felix 1447 - 1508 Inventor of Cheering Charms. "felix" L. happiness Summerbee was Wizard of the Month on JKR's website for May, 2004 (the month the site opened).

It is in relation with the chapter: Felix Felicies

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 8:37 am (#2558 of 2901)

Lily-Check out the scrapbook on the table. There is a document stuck on top of it. Smile Enjoy

MickeyCee3948 - Oct 31, 2004 8:49 am (#2559 of 2901)

Gina Snape - I agree with you about Chapter 2. I am going to post a further response on her thread so as not to give away the chapter name to anyone who is still looking.


Quibbler Editor In Chief - Oct 31, 2004 8:52 am (#2560 of 2901)

I spent an hour on the keys...trying each of them 10 or more times and never got the door open! What can I do?

LilyP - Oct 31, 2004 8:53 am (#2561 of 2901)

I thougth I was to read a riddle on the comuter screen and type something in? I can't make the magnifying glass magnify anything. The page in the scrapbook won't move. I want to see what everyone else is seeing.

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 9:04 am (#2562 of 2901)

Quibbler Editor In Chief Have you tried .org or .co.uk as well as .com

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 9:06 am (#2563 of 2901)

Lily hold the magnifying glass over the book near the end of the table , It has got a piece of paper stuck on it then left click

Quibbler Editor In Chief - Oct 31, 2004 9:11 am (#2564 of 2901)

I will try one of the other sites. Thanks EDIT: WOW! I waited a while for Peeves at the .org site but the third key I tried worked for me. THANK YOU SO MUCH!

hawkeyetkdchick - Oct 31, 2004 9:17 am (#2565 of 2901)

Did anyone else notice the used cigarette on the floor behind the door? If you open the drawer it covers it up.

Gina R Snape - Oct 31, 2004 9:18 am (#2566 of 2901)

Yeah. When I saw that desk I thought "Man, JKR is a real slob!!!"

I, of course, would gladly 'straighten up' her desk for free...

riddikulus - Oct 31, 2004 9:18 am (#2567 of 2901)

phew... I finally got the drawer open. Ok, Spinner? Is that a name of someone who dies or something to do with spiders, maybe Aragog and his demise? Chapter 14, hmmm kinda late in the book... again, is this a name of a person or latin for something? Dracos detour... I wonder if this could mean he finds out he's the HBP because he's not a pureblood and he has a change of heart about things, or a detour in the literal sense. Interesting stuff to ponder.

LilyP - Oct 31, 2004 9:31 am (#2568 of 2901)

Finally - thank you all. I don't know what I was doing wrong. ARGH! I'm so glad you all are so patient - and helpful!

this is what i think will happen in the six book and the deaths. snape will be the new DADA teacher (since the role is hard to fill) and the new teacher will be in potions. now that snape and harry have something in common and there bond will grow tight. then later voldy might require snape to kidnap potter and bring harry to him. then snape has to save harry from voldy and dies in the process

This is an interesting idea. I've also considered the idea of Snape finally being DADA - so Harry can continue in Potions is peace - OK this should probably be moved to the appropriate thread.

Penny Lane. - Oct 31, 2004 9:44 am (#2569 of 2901)

I thought chapter 14 was the name of a character because the first think I thought of was Felix the cat. Add that to the snip we had before, and the fact that "Luna Lovegood" is a chapter title in OoP, my first thought was the name of the character whom we read about in the clipping.

I didn't think too much about chapter 6, because I don't care much for Draco anyway. But, for Spinners End, for some reason my first thought was of the sneakoscope.

riotgrrrl - Oct 31, 2004 10:16 am (#2570 of 2901)

Could someone clarify the papers on the scrapbook? I couldn't get anything to move.

MzWhizz123 - Oct 31, 2004 10:19 am (#2571 of 2901)

For those who are having trouble with the keys, I think they turn from left to right, (or vice versa) once they have been used.

MzWhizz123 - Oct 31, 2004 10:20 am (#2572 of 2901)

Also, I don't think that is a cigarette butt on the floor by Jo's desk. I believe it is another piece of tape partially attached to a paper.

mrweasley - Oct 31, 2004 10:28 am (#2573 of 2901)

I wonder what the "spinner" is about. So early on...

Aunt Petunia's salad spinner? No... Money-spinner? Mhm... Spinner, as in "spinning thread"? Or "spinning a tale"? Or indeed,Riddikulus, a connection to spiders?

I give up. My mind is kinda spinning... Surprised)

muggle born - Oct 31, 2004 10:50 am (#2574 of 2901)

Mr Weasley, The Artful Dodger suggested earlier that Spinners End could be the location of Harry's next stay over as he won't be at Privet Drive for long in this book, That sounds good to me as it is chapter 2.

azi - Oct 31, 2004 10:57 am (#2575 of 2901)

I agree with muggle born. A place name would make sense. I'm more interested in what Draco is detouring for.

Parrothead Patronus - Oct 31, 2004 11:06 am (#2576 of 2901)

Don't know about anyone else but I was hoping for a release date being behind the door today. Alas, earwax

azi - Oct 31, 2004 11:09 am (#2577 of 2901)

I think all of us were hoping for that parrothead (hope you don't mind me calling you that!). However, I do like what we received instead and I suppose it means JKR has written at least to chapter 14, which isn't bad going! We can remain hopeful...

Penny Lane. - Oct 31, 2004 11:11 am (#2578 of 2901)

I think it will be released in June like last time. If that is the case, we can expect an announcement of the date sometime in January. *puts on sad face* June seems so far away.... I think June because that is when publishers like to release their best sellers for "summer reading".

Amilia Smith - Oct 31, 2004 11:13 am (#2579 of 2901)

That's what we so love about this woman. We think we have her all figured out, but then she does something totally unexpected. So live is a constant surprise, but they are always good surprises. (Edit: I am refering to the fact that we were all hoping for and half expecting a release date.)

BTW, Parrothead, I am very impressed that you could read anything through 6 times in four months. I have to wait at least six months between rereads.


IriSka - Oct 31, 2004 11:16 am (#2580 of 2901)

Thank you so much for the clues. I wouldn't figure out it all by myself!

Cuivienen - Oct 31, 2004 11:20 am (#2581 of 2901)

Does anyone know which key opens the door? I can't seem to find the one that actually opens it. Unless you have to do more than just move the key over the keyhole...

Never mind, I finally got it.

Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 11:38 am (#2582 of 2901)

I found something curious in my Latin dictionary. Felix is very close to the word felis, which means either cat or weasel... So chapter 14's title could mean, as Jo likes puns, "Happy Weasel". Far-fetched, I know, but funny...

Thora - Oct 31, 2004 11:41 am (#2583 of 2901)

Thank you Jo! We love you! I'm off to take screen shots of the process in case it closes before those computerless for the weekend can get on. So if you missed all the fun just email me in the next few weeks.


legolas - Oct 31, 2004 11:44 am (#2584 of 2901)

As far as the wizarding world is concerned a little happiness is what they need

Helen Potterfan - Oct 31, 2004 12:24 pm (#2585 of 2901)

Don't forget, Chpater 14 isn't that far into the story in her later books. OP has 38 chapters, GF, 37 chapters, PA 22,CS 18, SS 17. So, I wonder if this means that she hasn't written far past that, and how many chapters this book will have. She's said it will be shorter than 5. On the other hand, I don't think she'd release the chapter titles unless she knows they won't change, which makes me hope she's completed writing and is in the editing process! I think she must be at least far enough past 14 to be sure the order and titles won't change, which makes me hope that she is editing!!!

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 12:27 pm (#2586 of 2901)

She said recently thaat she had proof-reading 20 chapters. I guess the chapter could be at Christmastime.

Helen Potterfan - Oct 31, 2004 12:41 pm (#2587 of 2901)

Where did you hear 20 chapters? That would be important! If 14 is at Christmastime, it's half-way through the school year (usually more than halfway through the book).

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 12:45 pm (#2588 of 2901)

Its is in FAQ- why did Colin Creevys camera work etc.


mrweasley - Oct 31, 2004 12:49 pm (#2589 of 2901) "
Edited by Oct 31, 2004 12:51 pm

accio hbp, on her website, JKR stated that she "roof-read twenty chapters at a sitting" (FAQ-Section, where she explains why she messed up the "Camera" question).

I go with your "Spinners End" theory, everybody. It does sound like a place. But what kind of place? How does Harry end up there? Why? Ahhhhhhhhh...

Helen Potterfan - Oct 31, 2004 12:50 pm (#2590 of 2901)

Great job, I'd forgotten that! She said: "I have learned something from this experience, and that is when you read through twenty chapters at a time, then decide to do some FAQs for the website in the early hours of the morning, you mess up."

So, she just said she read through 20 chapters, but that doesn't necessarily mean 20 chapters of HBP. The Colin Creevey answer, and the other FAQ answers were on the books before HBP, so she may mean skimming back over other books.


mrweasley - Oct 31, 2004 12:57 pm (#2591 of 2901) "
Edited by Oct 31, 2004 12:58 pm

That's weird. I just checked the site and your quote is absolutely correct, accio hbp. It's "...read through...". But I'm sure that it said "...proof read..." before, because I copied and pasted it from the text-only version in an earlier posting of mine.

Why did she change that?

Helen Potterfan - Oct 31, 2004 1:02 pm (#2592 of 2901)

I didn't realize it had changed. That's a big distinction. Perhaps she changed it because of the conversation we're having. After she decided to reveal chapter titles, saying proof-read 20 chapters would either mislead us into assuming that HBP has 20 chapters or give us too much information. In the context of her posting, I tend to think she meant reviewing 20 chapters (of the other books) and thought proofread would be confusing. I'm also hoping she originally said proofread because she's been proofreading HBP so much it subconsciously slipped out.

mrweasley - Oct 31, 2004 1:21 pm (#2593 of 2901)

That's what I'm hoping, as well. She realized that she'd given away too much and edited it out. After all, she had to re-write the whole "Colin's camera" answer rather spontaneously, as she was receiving all these complaints.

legolas - Oct 31, 2004 1:26 pm (#2594 of 2901)

I dont believe it was one of her earlier books because she would be able to skim read.

Aurora Gubbins - Oct 31, 2004 1:29 pm (#2595 of 2901)

Conor (post#2560), I don't believe Snape will be anything other than Potions Master. It's probably his cover so will need to stay in post until Voldermort is defeated. I really believe that as Snape told his class in PS he can "even stopper death", he can probably remove that stopper too. I would have put this on the Edinburgh thread but that's disapparated. Probably the wrong thread for this but I felt I had to reply xx

DJ Evans - Oct 31, 2004 1:45 pm (#2596 of 2901)

I just noticed something -- maybe this is also Jo's way of letting us know how many chapters HbP is? If you add the chapters numbers together (2+6+14) you get a total of 22. So could we have gotten two bits of info today? Some chapter titles and the length of the book? Just a thought there.

Later, Deb

Doxy Bowtruckle - Oct 31, 2004 1:57 pm (#2597 of 2901)

I thought that for a moment Chapter 2 was referring to Alicia, then i realised that her name was spelt differently!

Goodness, that would have been a start to the book. As for the others, well DM may have to go and pay a visit to his father before his return to Hogwarts. He will be LM's eyes and ears at Hogwarts.

No 14, do we know this name? I looked at it and tried spelling out annagrams! It's not too far away from Elixir of Life. Smile

Happy Halloween to you all.


Elanor - Oct 31, 2004 2:29 pm (#2598 of 2901)

I know it is far-fetched but I've just realized something! We had to use a magnifying glass for getting the clue: could it be a subtile reference to a future prediction Sybill would make in one of those chapters?

Richard !!!Reid - Oct 31, 2004 2:56 pm (#2599 of 2901)

When I first read that line - similar to Gina Snape - I immediately thought of Rita Skeeter. On the Malfoy chapter, I think it could have something to do with Nott.

Malfoy respects Nott - but Theodore is not like the other Slytherins. Perhap he acts as an eye-opener to Draco.

Hollywand - Oct 31, 2004 3:25 pm (#2600 of 2901)

A nice detail to notice on the math symbolism of the chapters. Jo has said the final two books seem like the same book, so the 2,6, 14 , a playful reference to book six as a gateway to the doubled seven.

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Loony Loopy Larissa - Oct 31, 2004 3:27 pm (#2601 of 2901)

Chapter 6 could be around the time they are going to Hogwarts on the train. The "detour" could be his own little way of, say, flying a car to school instead of taking the boring train.

Then again, 14 sounds almost like a name (maybe a new teacher). A name like that would probably be during the start-of-term feast. Maybe the ride on the train this year will just be very long... about 7 chapters to be exact.

Madame Librarian - Oct 31, 2004 4:05 pm (#2602 of 2901)

Draco's Detour. A move to join the good side when he realizes the trouble his dad's DE activities have gotten the family into? Maybe not a sincere change of heart, just one to make it seem like he's seen the error of his evil ways and is willing to reform. After all, what's a good Slytherin to do when it seems that the advantage is to the enemy?

Naturally, should Lucius be sprung and/or Draco reassured that the DEs will quickly take back their own, he'd turn tail back to the dark side junior version lickety split.

Ciao. Barb

Ronan - Oct 31, 2004 4:41 pm (#2603 of 2901)

A long time later, thanks to the person who expalined how to open the drawer! In case someone hasn't got the new clue yet, I think I have a tip to find the right key a bit more easily: if you look at the flying keys, most of them are facing one side, and only three or four are facing the other side (now I can't remember which one, sorry, anyway it's easy to see). Well, I had to open the door three or four time and on every occasion the correct key was one of those which pointed to the side where most of the keys pointed. Hope this doesn't sound too messy Wink In case this tip works every time you visit the site, that takes away three or four possible keys, hopefully that'll help you find the key more quickly...

Ydnam96 - Oct 31, 2004 5:48 pm (#2604 of 2901)

I wonder if it is possible if Draco's Detour is him possibly stumbling in on something he wasn't meant to see...possibly a meeting between his father and Fudge or LV or Peter Pet. It could even be that he stumbles into Snape and hears something he shouldn't.

Don't know, but it's fun to think of...

Madame Pomfrey - Oct 31, 2004 6:04 pm (#2605 of 2901)

chapter 14 Felix Felicius (sp?).Could this be the new character described in our last clue? By the way,there is a cartoon character named Felix the cat.


hawkeyetkdchick - Oct 31, 2004 6:07 pm (#2606 of 2901) "
Edited by Oct 31, 2004 6:08 pm

MzWhizz123 - Oh, yeah, it does look like a piece of tape. Whoops!

DJ Evans - I like the idea that the total number of chapters is 22. That seems like the kind of thing Rowling might do.

As for "Draco's Detour," I don't think he'll be converting to the good side (or if he does, it won't be for long, like Madame Librarian pointed out). A detour usually means a change of course, but with the same destination.

Edit: Madame Pomfrey- I also think Felix will be a new character. Some people earlier pointed out that this character could be the one described when the door opened before.

Hollywand - Oct 31, 2004 6:12 pm (#2607 of 2901)

There's a dashing new Wizard of the Month, too. Happy Halloween.

Lady Kazuma - Oct 31, 2004 6:36 pm (#2608 of 2901)

Well, I agree that Spinners End seems like a place...

Following that, I thought that Draco's Detour would have to be something that Harry would see. He could dream it, but that seems unlikely as it would have to have Voldemort in it. So, I assume, Harry and Draco must be in the same place. That lead me to believe that Draco may stumble across Harry wherever he is hiding at Chapter Six, whether it be Spinners End or Grimmauld or wherever else.

As for Chapter Fourteen...I have no clue. Sorry.

Professor Dumbledore - Oct 31, 2004 6:39 pm (#2609 of 2901)

Ch2: 'Spinner's End'-Sounds like Aragog to me Ch6: 'Draco's Detour'-well, this is only chapter six so it's probably before school starts right? In OotP the actual lessons for Harry didn't start until chapter 12. Maybe he's buying his school supplies and he sees Draco go into Knockturn Alley? Maybe it has something to do with Knockturn Alley? Ch14: 'Felix Felicis'-my first thought was of a spell. But feliz can mean cat too. Professor McGonagll? Something about her? But I translated Felicis from Latin into english and it means 'lucky, fortunate, or happy'. So there you go for conversation.

Mademoiselle Fleur - Oct 31, 2004 7:04 pm (#2610 of 2901)

I think Felix Felicis is a name. Maybe a person resembling a happy cat...?

Ludicrous Patents Office - Oct 31, 2004 7:52 pm (#2611 of 2901)

The door is closed and I missed it. I've been gone all day. Thank you for posting the chapter names. Otherwise I would have missed the whole thing!! I think Spinners End sounds like a place. Draco's Detour, maybe he goes into Knockturn Ally for the Hand Of Glory. I think Felix Felicis is a spell. It sounds so nice. Happy Halloween. It is snowing in Colorado. Poor soggy Trick or Treaters. LPO

Classicsquid592 - Oct 31, 2004 7:52 pm (#2612 of 2901)

I think that Felix Felicis means "good fortune."

Classicsquid592 - Oct 31, 2004 7:55 pm (#2613 of 2901)

The door is already closed? Last time it was open for days.

Denise P. - Oct 31, 2004 8:02 pm (#2614 of 2901)

Ludicrous Patents Office, you may have to wait in front of the door for a bit before Peeves comes along.

I just checked and the door is still able to be opened. You can't just open the handle though, you have to have a key to open it.

As long as the "Do Not Distrub" sign is not hanging there, you can get in.

S.E. Jones - Oct 31, 2004 8:04 pm (#2615 of 2901)

Professor Dumbledore: Ch2: 'Spinner's End'-Sounds like Aragog to me Ch6: 'Draco's Detour'-well, this is only chapter six so it's probably before school starts right?

I always hate nitpicking about grammar, but I noticed that "Spinners" doesn't have an apostrophe on JK's site but "Draco's" does. That is why I'm currently voting for the 'Spinners End as a place' theory. Maybe JKR made a typing mistake and meant to put an apostrophe in as she meant to put in a hyphen with 'Half-blood', but it could be a clue that the name is a place and not referring to a person or thing.

I found 'felicity' in my dictionary along with this: "L. felicitas, equivalent to felici- (stem of felix) happy". So we have two names meaning happy. He sounds really... upbeat.... Could he be related to Colin Creevey perhaps? Wink

Hogs Head - Oct 31, 2004 8:22 pm (#2616 of 2901)

Draco's Detour could also be like one of those false detours that the bad guy sets up to misdirect the good guys. Like Wile E. Coyote trying to get the Roadrunner to go into the dead end tunnel.

I do not expect Draco to have a sudden turn of heart or diversion toward the good side -- at least not as soon as Book 6 (if ever) -- so I do not expect "Draco's Detour" to refer to a detour by Draco away from some evil and toward something helpful for Our Heroes.

Query: Spinners End (non-apostrophe comments noted) -- if it refers to a place, what in UK vernacular is the precise import of the designation ". . . End." Sounds like ". . . Inn" but I'll bet that's not it. In the U.S., ". . . Landing," might be one name-ender indicating a place where boats or barges or other vessels came ashore or to a landing at the river's side; or "Harper's Ferry" (notice the apostrophe) indicates a real place where river ferries once came across the river. So, would a place called " . . . End" refer to a place located where the road ends, the river ends, etc.?

Helen Potterfan - Oct 31, 2004 8:35 pm (#2617 of 2901)

I'm now wondering if we'll get an update on the old 7 weeks of 7 days pattern. On 10/4, the door didn't open, but we did get a major update. I'm hoping she didn't open the door then because she knew that she would open the door today, but that she'll give us another update on 11/22 (which is seven weeks from the 4th).

Happy Halloween JKR! I hope your kids had a blast and collected a lot of candy!

Mrs. Sirius - Oct 31, 2004 8:48 pm (#2618 of 2901)

FELIX FELICIS, could he be the new Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher? After all in OoTP, Doloros Umbrige gets a chapter named for her. And even though JKR doesn't generally repeat, well, maybe it's time they had a Happy Happy DADA teacher.

riotgrrrl - Oct 31, 2004 9:24 pm (#2619 of 2901)

LP Office- The door is still open on some versions of the site--try co.uk.

Joelle - Oct 31, 2004 10:48 pm (#2620 of 2901)

Ok so translated into latin Felix Felicis means lucky of the lucky. (Boyfriend is latin major) So perhaps if it is a person they are really lucky, or it could be a spell to make a person luckier.

I was thinking about Draco's Detour and how Knockturn alley to Burgin and Borkes would be a fabulous to detour. You know the Hand of Glory? Maybe it will resurface. Just a thought.

Also definitely thought that there would be halloween decorations. But then I checked late at night. so shucks. And another thing its already Nov 1st here and Snape's B-day isnt up so maybe he was born later.


Phoenix song - Oct 31, 2004 10:55 pm (#2621 of 2901)

emma bailey: The answer isn't a word scramble using "who are we". I don't want to give too much away, but I think that I can safely say that it is a one word answer to the riddled question. I believe that the answer may have already been given out today on this site using "invisible ink" that you have to highlight with your mouse to read...if you're curious.

Felix Felicis means "lucky of the lucky". Oh well, I had already settled my mind around "joy, joy". Of course, I couldn't help but remember that song that goes "happy, happy, joy, joy". I think that it was from a cartoon or something years ago.


legolas - Nov 1, 2004 1:00 am (#2622 of 2901)

Just popped into JKR site before work this morning. The wizard of the month has changed to the inventor of the Nimbus Racing Broom Company. When is it going to be Snapes birthday?

Doxy Bowtruckle - Nov 1, 2004 1:06 am (#2623 of 2901)

Morning all,

We were (partner & I) discussing the Draco's Detour last night. I was sharing with him some of the theories that I had and some which were on the thread. A good point that he made was that Harry would have be involved in whatever Draco's Detour was. There is not a point in any of the books where Harry isn't involvolved in the story, or seen through Harry's eyes. So my vote is swaying more to Draco "befriending" Harry (some one said that in an earlier post) and for him to join the DA.


Elanor - Nov 1, 2004 1:27 am (#2624 of 2901)

Good morning too! That is an interesting point that Harry will be involved in Draco's detour, I like it.

BTW, I think that Snape's birthday may be tomorrow because November the 2nd is the day of the deceased (do you call it "All Souls' Day"?) and it would be something dark to add to his character, as a bad omen.

Weeny Owl - Nov 1, 2004 1:34 am (#2625 of 2901)

Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy is from "Ren and Stimpy."

Draco's Detour sounds like a Hand of Glory thing to me, or some other nastiness that he might be up to in Knockturn Alley.

While most of the chapters are from Harry's point of view, the first chapter of GoF wasn't. "The Riddle House" was totally Harry-free, so it's possible JKR could have another chapter that way.

It could be him visiting Lucius in Azkaban. JKR said we'd see more of Narcissa, and maybe they'll both go and visit.

It could be Draco meeting Voldemort or a group of Death Eaters.

It could be Draco finding Harry at 4 Privet Drive.

It could be a mental detour, although I'm not sure I'd want to see into his mind. It would probably be a most disgusting place.

JKR is so crafty, who knows.


mrweasley - Nov 1, 2004 1:37 am (#2626 of 2901) "
Edited by Nov 1, 2004 12:38 am

Somehow, "Spinners End" reminded me of "Howards End". The latter being a Victorian estate with a nice cottage...

...a mansion comes into mind... of somebody wealthy... do we actually know what the place is called where the Malfoys live?

Elanor - Nov 1, 2004 1:44 am (#2627 of 2901)

LOL Weeny Owl! I wouldn't want to see into his mind either! Yet, I agree that in "The Riddle-house" Harry wasn't there physically but his mind was, since he saw at least part of the scene while sleeping so it wasn't totally Harry-free. She may use a kind of "trick" to make us show this through Harry's eyes, even he is not there in person.

EDIT: good idea Mr Weasley!

Chris. - Nov 1, 2004 2:10 am (#2628 of 2901)

I think that Draco may attend Durmstrang for a term, hence the name of the chapter.

Spinners End reminds me of a street. Perhaps Remus Lupin's house is on it?

Aurora Gubbins - Nov 1, 2004 2:51 am (#2629 of 2901)

comment to Hogs Head (#2621) and others about the Spinners End (without apostrophe!); To illuminate, there is a place in Essex by the name of Silver End. This place is not near water and it is not at the end of anything, in fact there are three roads which meet around about the middle of the village. It is not literally an 'end' of anything, it's just one of those lovely old English names. A bit like Shingle Street (a village on the coast) or Pratt's Bottom (note the apostrophe) which has nothing to do with a 'prat' or his rear. Another noteworthy consideration is that almost all place names in the British Isles are steeped in history and have names based on a particular aspect about the location; Beverly in Yorkshire once had a huge population of beavers, the famous Godric's Hollow (with apostrophe) was probably a small area surrounded by hills and was once owned by someone called Godric!

Doxy Bowtruckle - Nov 1, 2004 2:57 am (#2630 of 2901)

Elanor, thanks for pointing that out about Harry's dream, i thought for a moment that i had failed dismally with that!

Hand of Glory, so much went in to the conversation in the shop where that was was, i think you could be on to something there Weeny Owl. I also noticed in that shop there was a glass eye, not the brother of the one that Moody has? Not saying there that DM is going to walk around wearing that for a term either! LOL

I also thought that Draco would pay a visit to see his old dad in the nick, as draco would be LM's eyes and ears at the school from now on.

Spinners End, I agree again about it sounding like a place name. Or is Harry going to have yet another dream beginning where some new character gets the chop befor we have the chance to meet them?

On the subject of JK's site, i am to say dissapointed that there wasn't anything else to read about or other updates.

Take care all


muggle born - Nov 1, 2004 3:12 am (#2631 of 2901)

I also think Felix Felicis is the new DADA teacher, Felix is also a name. When I saw Spinners End, I thought of the place called Lands End in Cornwall, which is usually associated with John O' Groat's which is in Scotland. Sorry for babbling on

Doxy Bowtruckle - Nov 1, 2004 3:29 am (#2632 of 2901)

Didn't JK say that this was going to be Harry's shortest stay at No 4. Maybe he has to go to Spinners End to meet up with some of the Order. just a thought Smile

Maybe Harry has to go with Hagrid and get Grawp a new girlfriend from Spinners End!

Or One of Mr Dursleys drill company clients is called Spinner, and he meets a nasty end!

Or JK mispelled Alicia Spinnets name and she has a nasty fall off her broom, or she has contacted Harry about taking on the Captaincy for the quidditch!

Oh i make myself laugh at times!

Seriously though, i'm sure it is a place, maybe the place where Draco will take his Detour and eventually find (when revisiting the place later on in the book) Felix!

Smile it's Monday


The giant squid - Nov 1, 2004 3:30 am (#2633 of 2901)

I agree with Spinners End being a place, either a street or home. After Howards End, Lands End and Bag End (okay, I added that one), there's something of a precedent for English places being called "- End".

For some reason I see Draco's Detour being more spiritual or intellectual than physical, meaning it's something that happens to him or that he does moreso than somewhere he goes. It's just about time the boy has an epiphany about his sad state of life...

As for chapter 16... I got nuthin. The guess about it referring to a new teacher seems most likely at this point. JK does have a thing about pseudo-descriptive names with a latin feel--Severus, Albus, Remus...


Blast - Nov 1, 2004 3:46 am (#2634 of 2901)

The do mot disturb sign is off but I can't open the door.

muggle born - Nov 1, 2004 4:28 am (#2635 of 2901)

Blast you have to wait for Peaves to knock over the vase, the keys will fly out of it

Weeny Owl - Nov 1, 2004 4:38 am (#2636 of 2901)

Yet, I agree that in "The Riddle-house" Harry wasn't there physically but his mind was, since he saw at least part of the scene while sleeping so it wasn't totally Harry-free. She may use a kind of "trick" to make us show this through Harry's eyes, even he is not there in person.

Yes, Harry saw part of it, but at the beginning it was just the explanation of who the Riddles and Frank Bryce were. She could do something similar.

She could also do something similar to the Borgin and Burkes scene in CoS where Harry saw what happened while Lucius and Draco were there because he was hidden.

Magical Llama - Nov 1, 2004 4:51 am (#2637 of 2901)

Joelle wrote: Ok so translated into latin Felix Felicis means lucky of the lucky.

Cool -- latin.

Felix Felicis seems more likely to be a spell than a characters name. The majority of the spells in H.P have a latinist ring to them.

Felix Felicis!

Perhaps Felix Felicis will be used as a password to open, or conjure, a secret room similar to Hogwarts' CoS. My personal favorite would be for Felix Felicis to summon forth an image of Godric out of the sorting hat, but I'm obsessed with that old hat and wild theories. Smile

Felix Felicis could also be the credo of Godric Gryffindor; the most likely candidate for the HBP.

Jessalynn Quirky - Nov 1, 2004 4:53 am (#2638 of 2901)

pouts because she missed the door being open*

I can't get the site to load. What's wrong?!

Witta Woman - Nov 1, 2004 5:04 am (#2639 of 2901)

has anyone made the potion that is drawn out on the "extras" section, or is that Like so old I could battle Methusela?

Lady Kazuma - Nov 1, 2004 5:31 am (#2640 of 2901)

Just to be clear, only three parts of the series have occurred outside Harry's point of view.

1.) Chapter One of PS/SS, in which Dumbledore has Harry placed with the Dursleys. This doesn't occur in any point of view, really, although the narrator does refer to itself when it says "... on the dull, gray Tuesday our story starts,..."

2.) Chapter Eleven of PS/SS, and only a small part of it. During the Quidditch game, Harry's broom goes mad, and we see Hermione's point of view instead. We see the conversation between her, Hagrid, and Ron, and then we see Hermione light Snape on fire.

3.) Chapter One of GoF, although you can argue that Harry dreamed it, there are some parts that certainly didn't come from the dream, such as the very beginning, which tells us history instead.

Never-the-less, none of this is really the norm for the books. The whole Quidditch scene is boggling, as we certainly don't see much through Hermione's eyes. I have a feeling that sort of thing probably won't happen again.

So, I feel the need to repeat myself. Unless Draco takes a detour to Voldemort, or to Harry, we're probably not going to see it. As you can see from above, most of the scenes not in Harry's point of view are in Chapter One. It would be odd to have that just come up suddenly in Chapter Six.

Madame Librarian - Nov 1, 2004 5:49 am (#2641 of 2901)

Spinners End--given Jo's propensity for double entendre and puns, especially with place names, I'll vote for it being a place, but also that it'll have something to do with spiders and/or Aragog. The site of a huge battle, perhaps, with Aragog's stronghold being attacked or raided by...um...centaurs, dementors, Grawp?

I noticed the missing (or not missing) apostrophe, too. After the business with the disappeared/reappeared hyphen in the Half-Blood Prince revelation, I'm not going to place too, too much weight on that little, black squiggly mark just yet. Even without it, the double meaning still works.

Latin scholars, Felix Felicis--could that also be translated as luck of the lucky? This offers a slightly different angle. What about Happy go Lucky? Now, that's a common phrase to describe a personality or mood. A character's nickname? A state of mind for Harry and friends after a particularly good day?

Ciao. Barb

muggle born - Nov 1, 2004 5:49 am (#2642 of 2901)

Jessalynn Quirky, Try out .co.uk or .org one of them should work for you

Thora - Nov 1, 2004 5:54 am (#2643 of 2901)

So no one thinks Felix Felicis is the name of the force behind the door in the Dept. of Mysteries?

Witta Woman, check out post 2141 on this thread for help with that easter egg/potion. There are 7 known easter eggs/hidden prizes on the site.


Jessalynn Quirky - Nov 1, 2004 6:32 am (#2644 of 2901)


I've tried all three sites, and the same thing happens. It asks me if I want to download Macromedia Shock Player, I say no, and the part where Jo's desk should be is white. The browser said it is loading, but half an hour later it is still loading. My computer does not do this with any other sites, and I don't have another computer to try it on. Do I need Macromedia Shock Player now? I didn't before, and Mom won't let me download it, so I'm really stuck.

Doxy Bowtruckle - Nov 1, 2004 6:41 am (#2645 of 2901)

Jessalynn, that certainly looks that way to me about having to download shock player.

have you tried reasuring your mum that it is a safe one to down load?

As a mum myself, i am always watching my 3 boys like hawks to see what they down load. But it is safe. The reason you need it is for the animation and design of the website, and the hands on interaction of it all.

I know i haven't been help, sorry.


bella - Nov 1, 2004 8:20 am (#2646 of 2901)

Could it be that Draco's Detour is not a detour for Draco but one created by him? That would keep well with the whole Harry's point of view thing. As for the Felix Felicis thing I think it has to be either a name or a spell. I really can't think of anything else for it.

Little Ginny - Nov 1, 2004 8:23 am (#2647 of 2901)

Did you know that there is a German word "Spinner" used for a weirdo? Also, the German genitive would be without an apostrophe, simply "Spinners". So perhaps this placename (if it is one) is created after a somehow mad person of German origin *coughGrindelwaldcough*.

Just thought I'd add this here, as I know JKR speaks German.

Gina R Snape - Nov 1, 2004 8:24 am (#2648 of 2901)

Well, it's not Snape's birthday today either.

legolas, I too can't wait for it to be posted. I've always had a hunch that Snape is a Pisces, not a scorpio. So, if JKR does not post a birthday for him in the next 3 weeks, my bet is on March. Ooooh, maybe even 15 March (the Ides of March, wouldnt' that be a kicker?).

As for Draco's Detour...one thing is good. Regardless of what kind of detour he takes, we will get a Draco-focused chapter and I am looking forward to that!


Round Pink Spider - Nov 1, 2004 9:01 am (#2649 of 2901) "
Edited by Denise P. Nov 1, 2004 10:18 am

Not discounting any other possibilities, I think I know another possible meaning for Spinners End.

One of my specialties in my newsletter is showing the literary connections between HP and other famous literature.

On “Long Theory” I’ve tried to show that the line of GG is probably a princely line, and that Harry is probably his descendent (yes, I know he’s not THE half-blood prince :-D). In one of my recent newsletters, I pointed out that there are a lot of references to pointy things, wheels that spin, and spindly things. I believe this is a reference to Sleeping Beauty. Harry’s next birthday is his 16th birthday.

“Before the sun sets on her 16th birthday, the princess shall prick her finger on the pointed spindle of a spinning wheel, and die!”

But because of the magic of another fairy, it became an enchanted sleep, from which the princess was awakened by true love’s first kiss.

The end of a spinning wheel (a “spinner”) is a spindle!

I think Harry better check over his birthday presents this year!

Elanor - Nov 1, 2004 9:09 am (#2650 of 2901)

Very interesting RPS and scary for me (the "end" part): just add a "r" to the word you wrote in italics and you've got my name! LOL!

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Leprechaun Jack! - Nov 1, 2004 9:14 am (#2651 of 2901)

I don't know if this means anything but... Chapter 2 and Chapter 14 are dog-eared (bent) on the right side but Chapter 6 is dog-eared and the left. I don't know what, if anything this could mean... just an observation.


DJ Evans - Nov 1, 2004 9:14 am (#2652 of 2901)

You know one thing that comes to my mind where I see "Draco's Detour" is him back down in Knockturn Alley like some have suggested. But I wonder if it's not due to him going down to Lucius' "secret" room at the house & gathering up a bunch of Lucius' Dark Art stuff? Maybe either on his own or Narcissa has told to him get rid of the stuff -- just in case the MoM comes by to investigate? Maybe Draco/Narcissa feels since Lucius is in Azkaban now it would be an oppertune time for the MoM to search his residence? Heck, even Lucius could have told both Draco/Narcissa that if anything should ever happen to him to get it all out of there!!

Later, Deb

muggle born - Nov 1, 2004 9:14 am (#2653 of 2901)

Jessalynn Quirky, I believe you do need shock player and it is perfectly safe and free you don't save it to a file you open or run it.

muggle born - Nov 1, 2004 9:18 am (#2654 of 2901)

DJEvans, That sounds good to me, maybe Harry see's Draco going to Knockturn alley and follows him.

rambkowalczyk - Nov 1, 2004 9:30 am (#2655 of 2901)

By the way the door no longer has a do not disturb sign.

Later edit All by myself I figured out how to open the door and go in. Quite proud of myself.

I had zipped to the end of this discussion (I was about 500 post behind)and not seeing any reference to the door thought it had just recently opened. I was wrong but at least now I understand what the discussion about Draco's detour means.

Round Pink Spider - Nov 1, 2004 9:34 am (#2656 of 2901)

By the way, I wouldn't get too hung up on the missing apostrophe in "Spinners End." She left out the hyphen from Half-Blood Prince when she first showed the title behind the door, but I notice she included it on the book "cover" this time. The missing apostrophe might mean something, or it might mean that she just forgot the apostrophe.

chocfrogger1 - Nov 1, 2004 9:34 am (#2657 of 2901)

Spinners End--given Jo's propensity for double entendre and puns, especially with place names, I'll vote for it being a place, but also that it'll have something to do with spiders and/or Aragog

I had a very similar thought, but my idea was that Spinners End could be a place (likely) or a reference to the demise of Fudge or Rita Skeeter, both of whom liked to "spin" their own truth. I thought with the media always bearing down on Jo, she might enjoy seeing dishonest journalists meet their "spinners end" as a part of the ongoing war with LV.

Madame Librarian - Nov 1, 2004 9:35 am (#2658 of 2901)

Maybe Draco/Narcissa need to sell the stuff. What if they are stone, cold broke?

Ciao. Barb

colbow - Nov 1, 2004 9:57 am (#2659 of 2901)

I am thinking along the line that "Draco's Detour" is some kind of trick maybe or diversion to misled Harry/HRH or maybe the Order. After all he blames Harry for landing his Father in Askaban.

From OotP-pg 851 us/version-"You're going to pay" said Malfoy in a voice barely louder then a whisper. "I'm going to make you pay for what you've done to my father...."

You think your such a big man,Potter. said Malfoy, advancing now, Crabbe and Goyle flanking him. " You wait. I'll have you. You can't land my father in prison---" "I thought I just had," said Harry

any mistakes are mine...


riddikulus - Nov 1, 2004 10:05 am (#2660 of 2901) "
Edited by Nov 1, 2004 9:07 am

Spinners End... it does sound like a place. All good guesses, above. As you know my initial thought was Aragog... I just feel he's going to come into play, again. I also think the person who gave him to Hagrid, will too. This stranger...

Anyway, I know Diagon Alley is diagonally and Nocturn Alley is nocturnally... but there's nothing for Spinner end... so I it is either a home, street, mans name or something to do with Aragog. lol narrowed it down, didn't I?

Hogs Head - Nov 1, 2004 10:15 am (#2661 of 2901)

. . . or, "Draco's Detour" could be a Wile E. Coyote type detour or distraction put up by the good guys (Harry et al.) to divert Draco from being somewhere, seeing something, or doing something.


Is there still anyone out there who would rather have an update of the website rather than just getting Book 6 itself?

I'd even like it if we had to (buy, of course, and) read Book 6 chapter at a time, week at a time, like the old radio serial shows. The suspense would be superb and would be stretched out over such a nice long time.

Grindylow - Nov 1, 2004 10:20 am (#2662 of 2901)

I, for one, am not patient enough to do the "one chapter at a time" thing. I can wait patiently to have the WHOLE book all together. I would love to know when the book will be released but also some new things to read and do on her site. Smile

Ainsley Black - Nov 1, 2004 10:32 am (#2663 of 2901)

so far i've re-read all the books and have gone a bit mad reading some fan fics i've found, some have been great. Came across a slash one though without realising at first, it has almost completely destroyed my Sirius fantasies!!!!

Ah well...

I am definatley one for thinking Spinners End is a place, maybe the new Order HQ?? I think Draco's Detour could be him having something to do with taking Harry of course but eventually bringing back on tract, just to give the DE's some time or something. The Felix stuff, well i'm stumped. Didn't someone mention someone who had been named as Wizard of the month back in May who had a similar name??? Can't think what post it was but it was mention last night!

KWeldon - Nov 1, 2004 11:20 am (#2664 of 2901)


I bet you anything your theory about Chapter 2 title is right. My first thought when I read the title on her site was a subconcious one, "...something about a spinner not being good...", but I couldn't follow through on the thought.

And me with small children!


Stringer - Nov 1, 2004 11:57 am (#2665 of 2901)

The first thing I thought of when I saw Spinners End was the top in the new "garbage" section on her website. There is a spinning top. Not that it is connected.

I think Draco's detour may involve him seeing his father in Azkaban. He could be talking to Crabbe and Goyle in the train ride to Hogwarts, and Harry could overhear him. I'm sure Luscious will stay well connected, even in Azkaban.

Another idea was in an earlier post, Harry seeing Draco and his mother entering into Knockturn alley. I can also see Draco going for the hand of glory. Soo many possibilities!!

The Felix chapter sound like the name for the person she described.

MickeyCee3948 - Nov 1, 2004 12:21 pm (#2666 of 2901)

I need some assistance from some of you UK readers. I believe there is a street or road in Stafford, England called Spinners End. Is there any historical significance or anything that could pertain to HBP?


P.S. I'm grasping at straws like all of the rest of us.

legolas - Nov 1, 2004 12:33 pm (#2667 of 2901)

Had a look on [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Spinners end, Weston supermare, Avon

Spinners End Drive, Cradley heath, West Midlands

Could not tell you the significance of these addresses.

Madame Librarian - Nov 1, 2004 1:09 pm (#2668 of 2901)

Often street names in old cities harken back to the industry most commonly found there. Could Spinners End (the street name, not the chapter topic) designate the street where many fiber works had there factories or premises--you know, weavers, spinners, cloth makers, and so on? End also implies a dead end, i.e., a street with no outlet or a...trap.

OK, it's a magical universe we've got, and there are special fabrics and materials that get spun by wizard specialists who infuse them with magical properties. Maybe that's where the invisibility cloaks are made. Could be.

Ciao. Barb

mrweasley - Nov 1, 2004 1:16 pm (#2669 of 2901)

Riddikulus, I've been wondering about the sound of "Spinners End", as well. Esp. because Grimmauld Place reads "grim old place", and of course Diagon Alley (diagonally) and Nocturn Alley (nocturnally).

But Spinners End? Spinner scent? Spy nurse and...? Nope, doesn't seem to work, does it?

Sano - Nov 1, 2004 1:21 pm (#2670 of 2901)

Guys, I just found out the easiest way to tell which key to use to open the door. After all the keys start spinning in circles you should notice one that is moving much faster then the others making loops and figure 8's around the other keys. This is the one that opens the door. I have a fast computer, so I don't know if it does it for all of you, but look for the key that is faster then the rest.

Hope this helps Wink

Doxy Bowtruckle - Nov 1, 2004 1:22 pm (#2671 of 2901)

Spinners End could be Spy Nar Send = a spy Narcissa Sends?

Na, your right Mr Weasley it doesn't seem to work!


Ann - Nov 1, 2004 1:24 pm (#2672 of 2901)

The county of Avon, is, I think, where the stones used to build Stonehenge were supposed to come from. It's in the SW part of England, and Weston super Mare is at the SW corner of it, just north of the boundary Somerset County. In Somerset there are some moors, I think; at least Exmoor. (I can't help thinking "Gryffindor from wild moor." Hmmm.) And Glastonbury Tor, which has all sorts of Arthurian connections. Double hmmmmm.

The West Midlands is somehow less evocative.

legolas - Nov 1, 2004 1:27 pm (#2673 of 2901)

I live in the West Midlands and evocative is such a nice way to describe it.

I like the Arthurian conection/Gryffindor connection. Thanks for the information.

Ann - Nov 1, 2004 2:00 pm (#2674 of 2901)

Ooops, sorry Legolas! I've never been there, but it has a rather...er...industrial reputation. But I'm sure it's lovely, if it's home.

riddikulus - Nov 1, 2004 2:05 pm (#2675 of 2901)

lol Mr. Weasley and Doxy, very good. I've been going through them all too. Nothing seems to work though.

legolas - Nov 1, 2004 2:06 pm (#2676 of 2901)

Its ok . I am not a native of the area. I was slightly ammused by your description. It has got some really nice parts.

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 1, 2004 2:11 pm (#2677 of 2901)

Round Pink Spider that Sleeping Beauty idea really has me thinking now. There could be something to that! Good work there.

I have to say that I don't expect Draco to 'detour' to the good side, unless only for a small amount of time.. a plan where he earns someone's trust in order to lead them in the wrong direction? Hmmm... still doesn't sound like something Draco'd do, but I guess we won't know till the book release LOL! I think I most agree with the Draco in Knockturn Alley theory so far. I've always had the feeling that hand of glory would come back into play before its all over. Just seemed too important to just let it go when it was mentioned that once.

Spinners End = spin or send? Hmmm...

Zirtaheb - Nov 1, 2004 3:47 pm (#2678 of 2901)

It is interesant:

Summerbee, Felix 1447 - 1508 Inventor of Cheering Charms. "felix" L. happiness Summerbee was Wizard of the Month on JKR's website for May, 2004 (the month the site opened).

It is in relation with the chapter: Felix Felicies

Saud - Nov 1, 2004 4:23 pm (#2679 of 2901)

May be Spinners End is where Dumbeldore lives in summer.(or does he live in Hogwarts throughout the summer as well?)

Or the new HQ for the Order (just as a deception for the DE's, although Grimmauld place would still be the real HQ.)

Hogs Head - Nov 1, 2004 4:42 pm (#2680 of 2901)

Both of the "Spinners End" locations listed on the Internet appear (from the online maps) to be cul de sacs, after all. However, I couldn't make it zoom it to be sure.

Parrothead Patronus - Nov 1, 2004 4:42 pm (#2681 of 2901)

Could Felix Felicies be the spell used for cheering charms? Far fetched I know (I don't why she would use it as a name of a chapter.) My guess for Spinners end is that it's a place not a person. Every time I hear Draco's Detour I think of a portkey trip gone bad.

Madame Librarian - Nov 1, 2004 4:46 pm (#2682 of 2901)

RPS, another famous spinner, with the process itself being fraught with danger is that poor, beautiful maiden whose father promised the king that his daughter could spin straw into pure gold. A fella (little guy, kinda ugly, definitely weird) named Rumpelstiltskin pops in suddenly (apparates?) to help her out as long as she "pays" for it. First night, she pays with her locket. Second night with her ring. On the third night when she has no more material possessions to give to him, she promises him her first-born child in payment. Well...you guys know the rest.

This fairy tale, more than Sleeping Beauty I think, is loaded with little elements that have a whiff of the HP epic about them: Dwarves, or whatever Rump is (goblin?), avarice, mother-son stuff, magic, the power of saying your enemy's name.

Ciao. Barb

Prefect Marcus - Nov 1, 2004 5:03 pm (#2683 of 2901)

I like Saud's idea that 'Spinners End' is where Dumbledore spends his Summer. That makes sense, since it is the second chapter of the book, AND we know Harry will spend only a short time at the Dursley's this year.

Thora - Nov 1, 2004 5:11 pm (#2684 of 2901)

Thanks for all the work Bumbledore, such dedication! I did a glance through and I don't see any changes except the ror page, any one compared screen shots yet?


Cuivienen - Nov 1, 2004 5:25 pm (#2685 of 2901)

I think "Draco's Detour" is a prank pulled on Draco by someone -- perhaps the Weasley twins come to King's Cross to see Ron and Ginny off? It reminds me of the twins shoving a Slytherin (don't remember who...) into a Vanishing Cabinet in OotP.

potter fan - Nov 1, 2004 6:21 pm (#2686 of 2901)

when i hear felix felicis, for some reason i think of a cat, and i seem to remember a certain other cat that came at us from behind that same door. what about the person with the long golden mane....etc etc. could they be the same person?

Veritaserum - Nov 1, 2004 6:28 pm (#2687 of 2901)

He doesn't sound like a Felix to me, but it does seems to make sense. But if his name is FF, then who is he? What makes him so lucky?

Round Pink Spider - Nov 1, 2004 6:56 pm (#2688 of 2901)

Hi, Madame Librarian! Good thought about Rumpelstiltskin. Since it's so early in the book, right around his 16th birthday, I'm still holding out for Sleeping Beauty. But I'm going to keep my eyes open, because I've seen other fairy tale references, and I hadn't thought of that one. (Could someone have made some bad deal? Surely not!)

I actually agree that Spinners End is probably the name of a place. I'm wondering if it's a three-way pun: the name of a place, the spindle-on-the-16th-birthday bit, and maybe a reference to poisonous spiders. If you look at the scene in Borgin and Burke's, you can identify most of the things Harry saw as part of the climax in GoF: a withered (cut off) hand, a blood-stained pack of cards (blood), a staring glass eye (Mad-Eye), and human bones (bone of the father). When Harry went out of the shop he saw more things that I think could be important in HBP, and one of those was gigantic black spiders.

Magical Llama - Nov 1, 2004 7:24 pm (#2689 of 2901)

Draco's detour may occur during a Quidditch match.

MickeyCee3948 - Nov 1, 2004 7:36 pm (#2690 of 2901)

Magical Llama-That would make it much later in the book than Chapter 6 at least as far as the other books have shown.


TheQuibbler - Nov 1, 2004 8:42 pm (#2691 of 2901)

I was curious to what "felicis" meant because Ms Rowling often uses latin roots and in latin it means easy or agreeable. Hope this helps someone.

bella - Nov 1, 2004 9:05 pm (#2692 of 2901)

Wow, Round Pink Spider I had never come to that conclusion, how very observant you are.

Ann - Nov 1, 2004 9:22 pm (#2693 of 2901)

Felix felicis in classical Latin is "happy one of the happy one." Or "lucky one" etc. (I got this from my husband who always knows such things.) I asked about cats, and he said it was close, but not close enough. But then he said, well, maybe in medieval Latin, since things do change a bit. "Cat of the cat" would indeed be a good name for Mr. Lion-like.

Does anyone have a dictionary of medieval Latin? Elanor?

I hope it can mean cat. I've begun to wonder if everything that we find out behind that door isn't pretty closely related: First we get "Half-Blood Prince" then we get a description (perhaps of the HBP), then we get a name (of Mr. Lion-like? the HBP?) and a place (Spinners End). Don't cats like to play with yarn and thread and other spun things? Can't fit Malfoy into all this, but I still wonder....

JKR implied on a chat somewhere (I forget...they all run together) that there is indeed something going on with all the cats: Crookshanks and McGonagall, were cited, I think, but there's also Ginny's kittenishness, the Gryffindor lion, Luna wearing the lion on her head. And then there's Hermione's turning into one in CoS. Hmmm. A link between CoS and HBP, Hermione and Mr. Lion-like?

Okay, I found it: This is the Scholastic chat, October 16, 2000 (i.e., after GoF):

Is there something more to the cats appearing in the books than first meets the eye? (i.e. Mrs. Figg's cats, Crookshanks, Prof. McGonagall as a cat, etc.)

Ooooo, another good question. Let's see what I can tell you without giving anything away....erm....no, can't do it, sorry.

Sort of makes you think, huh? Prince of cats? Puss in Boots? **decides it's really too late to be typing, and goes to bed**

riddikulus - Nov 1, 2004 9:58 pm (#2694 of 2901)

Since her opening chapters are a long time coming and will explain the past, I'll have to assume that Spinners End is a place or location. Perhaps someone can clear this up, but did the Potters actually live in Godrics Hallow or were they hiding out there, under the fidelius charm? If this wasn't their actual address, perhaps just a hideout, provided by DD or someone, maybe their actual address was Spinners End. I just can't help though, thinking that Aragog wasn't given to Hagrid as an accident... he really did come in handy and whomever provided him to Hagrid knew something of the future, perhaps. Anyway, please fill me in about Godrics Hallow, I always assumed it was the Potters home. Thanks.

Tomoé - Nov 1, 2004 10:52 pm (#2695 of 2901)

Thanks for the chapter titles Jo. ^_^ I see a smoked cigarette over the floor in your deskroom, is this yours? Is someone close to you smoke around in your house? If yes, let me tell you two persons got Mutiple Sclerosis in my family, both were/are major smokers. There are thing worse than death and we both know seeing someone you love getting from the worst to even worse is one of them, nothing you wish for the people close to you.

I realise I'm much willing to get clues for HbP than OoP, I didn't even dare to read a single word of the jacket back then.

Will the next opeing of the door be for November 22nd or December 19th? I hope for the first one, I'll be busy with Chirstmas around the 19th.

Thanks for the Chapters clue Elanor, I'm too exhausted to think straight tonight.

Jessalynn, Macromedia is a safe company (the one that made Flash), you can download ... what was it ... Shockwave? Anyway, you can trust Macromedia, it's one of the big name of the industry, along side with Microsoft, Adobe and some others. If your mother doesn't let you download it, e-mail Lightmaker (website manager of Jo's site) and ask them if you need it and what it will do.

Spinners End, it does sound like a place name, especially since the chapter is early in the book, there's always chapters named after places in the begining of the HP books. Now, Spinners End, a street or a House? It could be a new place to hide Harry, could it be a wing of St Mungo's Hospital? On the second Chapter, it's pretty early in the Story, second chapter are : PS, Harry goes to the zoo with the Dursley; CoS, Harry meet Dobby; PoA, aunt Marge is visiting the Dursley; GoF, Harry try to find someone to talk about his scar; OoP, Harry and the Dursley talk about magic in the kitchen. That would be the first time Harry is out of 4PD by chapter two, but he's thrice out by chapter three so it wouldn't be too stretchy. The first chapter of HbP should be a edited chapter one of PS, Jo said it's not a flash back so it would be Harry dreaming or seeing stuff through Voldemort. Will he already have been moved there, will the Order get him early because of what he saw or becuase it was planned to get him out as early as possible before the war officially get started?

About the clues, Draco get his name in a Chapter title? That's the first time for him and that soon in the book ... Draco's Detour ... on chapter 6 ... Harry's always out of the Dursleys by chapter 5 and we should see even littler of them in HbP, so he won't stop by 4PD. Could that chapter be in the Hogwarts Express (that scenne didn't occure that soon since PoA though), meaning Draco will stop by Harry's compartment as he always do, but stay longer this time?

Felix Felicis could be either is a spell name or a character name, I saw Felicis as a last name while looking on Google. I tend more to the Character Name, because a Happiness besed spell doesn't sound to be the kind of spell that deserve a chapter title or maybe that's a particularly difficult one.

I'll stop my rambling here and get some sleep.

Edit : If I remember well, Godric's Hollow is the name of the village, not the Potter House, that's brillant Riddikulus

Elanor - Nov 2, 2004 12:03 am (#2696 of 2901)

You're welcome Tomoé!

Ann, on Sunday I searched for "felix" in my dictionary and this is what I found: Felix, felicis is a Latin adjective which means happy or something which brings luck and happiness.

But Felix can be another word for filix which means fern and, by analogy, hair, so it could be a pun.

Yet, the most interesting part is that "felix" is very close to "felis" which means "cat" and/or "weasel". So it can refer to a "happy cat", hence the pun with the hair, or "happy weasel" and be a connection to our Weasley family.

I posted this on the alchemy thread and Hollywand had another great idea: it could be related to McGonagall through her animagus.

Does it help you?

Steve Newton - Nov 2, 2004 5:02 am (#2697 of 2901)

Tomoé, excelent stuff on the chapters. I'm rereading COS on that thread and I am trying to become aware of the meanings of the chapter titles to see if they tell us more than the obvious. (Yes, I have time on my hands.) In COS only 3 characters have chapters named for them, Gilderoy Lockhart, Cornelius Fudge, and Aragog.

Jessalynn Quirky - Nov 2, 2004 5:03 am (#2698 of 2901)

Thank you everyone for telling me about Macromedia, I finally convinced Mom to let me download it, and I opened the door! (Just wanted to do it myself, it's cooler than the screenshots!)

angel z - Nov 2, 2004 5:43 am (#2699 of 2901)

Hi All,

I've just been catching up on the thread. It occurred to me that 'Spinner' could also be interpreted, as someone who tells a tale, or story. This could be incorporated into the theory, that "Spinners End" is a place name. Possibly the place derived it's name from a famous story teller. Do we know of any?

angel z

MrsGump - Nov 2, 2004 5:56 am (#2700 of 2901)

My first thought with Felix Felicis was the description of the lion-ish guy from our previous clue. Except lion's scientific genus name is Panthera (house cats (and some other small, wild cats) are Felis).

Then I searched for Felicis and the closest I got was this:

Noun 1. genus Felicia - genus of tropical African herbs or subshrubs with usually blue flowers

We know that JKR has an Herb book that she uses when looking for names, so now I'm wondering if this a spell or a potion?

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Kaden007 - Nov 2, 2004 5:58 am (#2701 of 2901)

Hey Everybody! I was on the site and I have seven awards. Has anyone gotten anymore?

Joanna S Lupin - Nov 2, 2004 5:59 am (#2702 of 2901)

Felix officially means weed, Felicis is the genitivus form of the same word felix. So, felix felicis could also be the name of a plant, a weed most likely, perhaps something that could be used to poison someone, or have magical helpful qualities, like gillyweed.

Just a thought...

angel z - Nov 2, 2004 6:11 am (#2703 of 2901)

I suppose the fact that we are seeing varying translations for the Latin Felix Felicis, is due to the fact that Latin has evolved over time as have all other languages. Perhaps someone more qualified than me can comment. It would then depend on the source of reference JKR was using when she decided to use the above.

I had assumed it would be the name of "Lion Man" however the comment made by Joanna S Lupin does appeal to me for some reason. I dont see why this could not be combined though, as the characters names often have a meaning connected with there character. angel z

vanessa cave - Nov 2, 2004 6:47 am (#2704 of 2901)

hi everyone this is my first post although i have been reading this thread for quite awhile now. I am so excited about the door opening again (my husband does not understand) i agree about spinners end being a place and as Riddikulus says i think it will be from the past.

Ainsley Black - Nov 2, 2004 6:58 am (#2705 of 2901)

Joelle - "Ok so translated into latin Felix Felicis means lucky of the lucky. (Boyfriend is latin major) So perhaps if it is a person they are really lucky, or it could be a spell to make a person luckier."

Zirtaheb - "Summerbee, Felix 1447 - 1508 Inventor of Cheering Charms. "felix" L. happiness Summerbee was Wizard of the Month on JKR's website for May, 2004 (the month the site opened)..."

Going on these i'd say i'm pretty certain they are conected and that Felix Felicis is a charm for luck or good fortune of sorts (brings happiness to those who need some perhaps??).

I think it's too much of a coincidence for the name of a wizard of the month to be soo like this chapter title.

Also my mum just popped round (as she anoyingly frequently does!) and i asked her if she had heard of somewhere called Spinners End that was perhaps conected to something like Druids or something and she said it did ring bells but she couldn't think of an exact. She thinks that maybe somewhere near Stone Henge. I'm off to Google it all now and will report back if i find anything othere than the romance novel i found of the same name!!!!

Kaden007 - Nov 2, 2004 7:02 am (#2706 of 2901)

Help! On the Rubbish bin page, if you wait peeves comes by and breaks a pen, different from the one you can break yourself, he also moves a gum wrapper so that you can see the nummber, 220056 on an envelope. I tried logging this into the phone but nothing happened. And that spinning thing on her desk reminds me of a sneakascope. Anybody figure this out already??? Help me please!

Her-melanie - Nov 2, 2004 7:21 am (#2707 of 2901)

I just looked up spinner on Google, and I hadn't realized that it is another word for a pinwheel. I think it sounds like a street name in Little Whinging, like Privet Dr, Wisteria Walk, etc. Pinwheels, or spinners, are found in gardens. So, wouldn't it be fitting if Dumbledore has been living in the Dursley's neighborhood?! I always wondered where he went during summers. Metaphorically, it could be a comment on time, or infinity, since a spinner spins around and around, and while it is spinning it makes a circle (representing cycles, or infinity). Spinners End, the end of an era? So now I'm just spewing thoughts randomly.

Doxy Bowtruckle - Nov 2, 2004 7:43 am (#2708 of 2901)

Kaden007, i thnk those numbers were from the last time the door was opened, a few months ago i think. Unfortunately i missed that one. As for the scrapbook, i think all of us have 7 cookies too, so well done.

I am interested in this cats theme, Hermione, Prof M, Crooks etc...Maybe Felix is their leader, PURRRRRR! Maybe they are all trying to complete the works of Godrick Griffindore. There may be other animal related groups in the other houses too!!

Spinners End, i don't think it is that near to harry, as the surrounding roads are all named after plants and flowering shrubs.

It does sound most muggle like though. unless there is an anagram there.... Nenn Spiders!

I quite like Spinner Send with the Aragog feel to it.


Rosariana - Nov 2, 2004 8:12 am (#2709 of 2901)

I think Felix Felicis is an incantation for cheering charms. It just makes sense, doesn't it? We were never told the incantation, though they are mentioned frequently in book three. Why would cheering charms make a reappearance? Could it be Harry's way of dealing with Sirius's death? It doesn't seem like something he'd do, but you never know.

I think that is genius about the Spinner's End being a parallel to Sleeping Beauty. Kudos whoever thought of that! It doesn't follow her usual method though; has she ever referred to other literature in chapter titles before? I think it is also likely that this is the place to which Harry goes after leaving the Dursleys.

Hmm, Draco's Detour... maybe he and Harry actually get around to that Midnight duel for real! Or maybe he takes a detour to Azkaban to help Lucius break out! Ooooh chilling! I can't wait to find out!

Ainsley Black - Nov 2, 2004 8:20 am (#2710 of 2901)

Well I came up with nothing for Spinners End being anything Pagan or Druid like.

I did accidentally find this though. Looking up Felix Felicis I found a site about British pottery and such and well it goes on about markings on pots to say who made them and there is one that says

"The stamp often gives the information that the pot was made 'in someone's workshop'OFFICINA , or 'by someone's hand' MANU

ALBI MN by the hand of Albus

OF FELICIS in Felix's workshop "

This is about Roman pottery and I thought it is most likely a coincidence. And also when you Google Felix Felicis it comes up with the latin being happy, fortunate/lucky, so it might be a translation of "happy-go-lucky"?? just a thought.

skh - Nov 2, 2004 8:24 am (#2711 of 2901)

Hi All,

Some posts earlier, some one mentioned that they found 2 Spinners End on the Streetmap site, one in the Midlands and one in Weston Super Mare and that WSM sounded nicer, more evocative and lyrical and Arthurian etc. I know Jo also lived around there, Bristol?

Anyway, WSM is in North Somerset (was in Avon until about 5 years ago-ish, when the boundaries changed again). It is a seaside resort, but not particularly nice. I don't want to offend any residents and as a disclaimer, I hav eto add that I've never even been there! This is 2nd hand, from my husband who's from the West Country himself - his mum now lives in Bristol. Weston is supposedly not v nice, quite a run down resort with ancient old amusements etc. Also, the beach isn't great either. There are nicer places to go on the west coast. Also, the actor John Cleese is from WSM.

I have to say, my inital thoughts on the FELIX FELICIS thing is charm of some type, as I think when it's a person's name, JKR tries to make the words fit in better to a more "name like" sound, whereas this just has the ring of a spell of some type -- does that make sense? Even when the name is latin-ish in origin, like Luna or even Severus, or whatever language (Gilderoy Lockhart, for example, is the best name ever for the preening sort that he is!). Also, just coz it sounds like a "nice" charm due to the happiness / luck aspect, that doesn't mean it couldn't counteract a scary curse, like ridikkulus as the anti-boggart, for example.

Spinners End I think is a place, either a street name or, IMO, more likely either a big house or village... even both, as often in the UK you have name's like that. Does the Riddle mansion / village have a name? I can't remember. I do think it will be some place that Harry will go when he leaves the Dursleys, but I can't imagine who is the connexion. I think it's too early in the book for Aragog?

Lastly, pal Draco - I immediately thought of the idea of Draco turning to the good. However, I think book 6 chapter 6 would be too early, I would have thought that a consequence of the climax or something... So, I can go with the Knockturn Alley and Azkaban ideas.

Sorry to witter on!

Rosariana - Nov 2, 2004 8:35 am (#2712 of 2901)

Can someone help me? I went through the website again just now on my new computer and collected all the rewards, but I cannot view them! It says "click here to view your extra-special content" and when I click, nothing happens. Has this happened to anyone else? Do you know what I can do?

wolfgrl - Nov 2, 2004 8:35 am (#2713 of 2901)

OK, I know this is a strech, but since Harry always ends up at the Weasleys for part of the summer (other than SS/PS) maybe Spinner's End is someware by the Weasleys. Maybe Luna Lovegoods place? We know from just before the Quiddich World Cup that the Lovegoods live close to the Weasleys (don't throw dungboms, I know we only presume that it is the same Lovegoods). So maybe Harry and Ron run into Luna and go back to her place to see the Crumple Horned Snorkback (I think that is correct, books are not here at work) that her family had gone looking for over the first part of the summer.

Ainsley Black - Nov 2, 2004 8:41 am (#2714 of 2901)

Has anyone thought that Spinners End is Lupin's place?

And also will they still be able to use Grimmnauld PLace because all the wards will be tunned to the next Black family member in the bloodline???

Just a thought that one.

Madame Librarian - Nov 2, 2004 8:46 am (#2715 of 2901)

Ainsley, I'm with you on the Happy-go-Lucky idea (suggested earlier). JKR's would be doing a loose translation of the Latin but that's not unlike her. Now, is it a who or a what? If it's a person, I would guess that it's not someone who will feature in a big role, but rather in a humorous interlude. If it's a what, I vote for it being an incantation. I'm half serious when I say that Harry is sooo depressed now, I could see Madame Pomfrey using this charm to treat him with this as muggles might use an anti-depressant.

Ciao. Barb

riddikulus - Nov 2, 2004 9:10 am (#2716 of 2901) "
Edited by Nov 2, 2004 8:12 am

Ainsley, Grimmauld Place is a Grim old place... see? This would explain Sirius' house to a tee. Spinners End wouldn't suit Lupins address to a tee... it's very possible it's a home or location, but there's a reason Aragog was placed in the story, perhaps it was just to give Harry the facts about Hagrid, perhaps just to give someone an excuse to expel Hagrid at some point... that could be all... but given JKRs affinity for names and their uses, I'd have to assume it's either a persons name or location based on a persons name or associated with the spider, somehow.

Madame Pomfrey - Nov 2, 2004 9:25 am (#2717 of 2901)

skh,Spinners end is a street in Weston Super Mare where John Cleese lives?This interests me.I just did a anagram on Sir Nicholas that I posted in both the Anagram and Ron threads.It is really weird.If any one is interested please check it out.

Cezar Salem - Nov 2, 2004 10:01 am (#2718 of 2901)

OK. I is it just lucky me ? Ive tried to open the door 2 times, and both times, the first key I got opened the door! Im afraid of trying again, and not being able to again hehe... has this happend to anyone? Or was it just luck ?

Jessalynn Quirky - Nov 2, 2004 10:17 am (#2719 of 2901)

Probably just luck on your part, it took me forever!

skh - Nov 2, 2004 10:51 am (#2720 of 2901)

Madame Pomfrey - I don't know if Spinners End is the actual street John Cleese is from, I just know that he's from the town. Some one else discovered that Spinners End is a street in WSM, from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] where you can enter street names and get a map. SKH

prof sprout - Nov 2, 2004 11:04 am (#2721 of 2901)

Rosariana: Maybe you have a pop up blocker on. Try to recover the pop up and see if it shows up.

John Bumbledore - Nov 2, 2004 11:08 am (#2722 of 2901)

New hint 31 October: Available on J. K. Rowling's site. * Spoilers * in white text on the right side of the table just click and drag across the box to reveal hidden message.

I have a number of screen captures and am working on getting them on to the web for linking from here.

The sign is still off the door, but it will not open.
The door is locked; you need a key.
Wait for Peeves.
He knocks over the vase and keys fly out. Pick the key that moves the fastest and drag it to the keyhole. It follows a path that makes a loopy '+' sign I think, and it points to the left like this n=0
The door opens and shows you. . .
a larger view of Jo's desk. But how to see the small stuff?
Everything is too small to read. . .
click and drag the drawer handle to find a 'spy' glass. Use it on the bound manuscript left of the news paper.
Now I see the riddle. "One by one we come to life,
Then side-by-side we wait
While our company swells in numbers
(Some come early, some come late);
And some of us may bore you,
And some of us enthrall,
But you cannot choose between us
You must take us one and all.
We'll be bound together tightly
For we're naught if we break free.
If you'd like some clues about us
Simply answer: WHO ARE WE?

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __
Eight character answer is . . .
C h a p t e r s
Manuscript title revealed as. .
Now what?
pages rise out of the top, just click and drag to see the chapter number and titles.
What can be seen.

-- bd

Rosariana - Nov 2, 2004 11:09 am (#2723 of 2901)

Thank you for your advice, Prof sprout, but that is not the problem. That was the first thing I thought of but the website is on my "do not block pop-ups" list and it still does not work.

mike miller - Nov 2, 2004 11:22 am (#2724 of 2901)

I think it is entirely posssible that Spinners End is in Godric's Hollow *tips hat to Riddikulus*. I had Harry leaving #4 PD very early (before his birthday) in HBP to attend the reading of Sirius's will, so chapter 2 works. Godric's Hollow could be Harry's ancestral home, it was at least the place of retreat for his parents. Harry needs to learn more about his family to help him deal with the "Why me?" question. I don't think it's DD's summer home unless he's had a sudden change of heart and wants to tell Harry even more about what's ahead.

Draco's Detour is a bit perplexing given that we need to have Harry somehow witness the events. Although, overhearing Draco on the train might get us in the game. A trip to Azkaban or down Knockturn Alley would be interesting to the story; however, I don't see Lucius (and others) staying in Azkaban for long.

Felix Felicius has got me stumped. I really don't see it as a person's name, or the incantation for the Cheering Charm. I'm just going to have to thing about this one.....

Cezar Salem - Nov 2, 2004 11:23 am (#2725 of 2901)

I just did a check about felicis on google, and came up with this;its from a site about ancestries:Felix Spanish (Félix), Portuguese, English, German, and Jewish (Ashkenazic): from a medieval personal name (Latin Felix, genitive Felicis, meaning ‘lucky’, ‘fortunate’). This was a relatively common Roman family name, said to have been first adopted as a nickname by Sulla. It was very popular among early Christians and was borne by a large number of early saints.

Edit: here is something from whats in a name : F Felicia Happy, lucky, fortunate (felix, felicis) Felicity Happy, lucky, fortunate (felix, felicis) Felix Happy, lucky, fortunate (felix, felicis)

Daisy Pennifold - Nov 2, 2004 11:38 am (#2726 of 2901)

I don't think this myself, but I was wondering if anyone was thinking that "Draco's Detour" might not necessarily mean D. Malfoy, but draco as in Latin for dragon. Any thoughts?

quibbler - Nov 2, 2004 11:45 am (#2727 of 2901)

I think that Draco will arrive late for ´the beginning of term. Maybe he gets introduced to some death eaters ( I don't think that it will be Voldemort personally, that seems too early for me) and learn something about the way the death eaters use to work. Maybe he will boast about that when he finally returns to school and so HRH gain some useful information

riddikulus - Nov 2, 2004 11:52 am (#2728 of 2901) "
Edited by Nov 2, 2004 10:53 am

Thanks Mike Smile On a personal note, I love your Picture. I idolized SRV and miss him Sad

Tomoé - Nov 2, 2004 12:07 pm (#2729 of 2901)

Maybe Harry will encounter Draco somewhere in either a trial for the DE in the MoM or his the reading of the last Black's will.

Sirius i love - Nov 2, 2004 12:08 pm (#2730 of 2901)

Please help me i cant open the door! read that u need a key? cant find that either. hope it doesnt shut before i can figure it out lol! any help is appreciated

Ainsley Black - Nov 2, 2004 12:10 pm (#2731 of 2901)

the keys come when peeves comes past, just wait at the door and leave the screen to go idle for a few minutes then you have to catch the keys in turn and drag them to the lock untill you get the one that opens it.

Sirius i love - Nov 2, 2004 12:13 pm (#2732 of 2901)

Thank u so much! This site is great.

mike miller - Nov 2, 2004 12:23 pm (#2733 of 2901)

Interesting idea Tomoe. Narcissa contest Sirius's will and Harry and Draco have a little "out of Hogwarts" encounter. I can easily see the Malfoy's wanting #12 GP. Real estate could be one of the sources of the Malfoy fortune.

Riddikulus - He is missed by many. At least they keep releasing some of his live performances on DVD.

Harry-ette - Nov 2, 2004 12:34 pm (#2734 of 2901)

Has anyone thought any more about the letters DD wrote to Petunia before his last? JKR said that the letter he left with Harry when he was a baby was the 'last' one so there were letters before. That would mean the previous letters were written before the Potters were killed and I can't think why DD would have contacted Petunia while the Potters were still alive. Any thoughts?

By the way, am new to the forum so hi everyone!

Veritaserum - Nov 2, 2004 1:00 pm (#2735 of 2901)

G'day Harry-ette!

Ridikulus, good call. We are supposed to have some kind of expository chapter at the beginning, no? I was thinking it would give us some background info about James and Lily. So if they did have some connection to a place called Spinners End, Harry could go there, or find out about it...Did someone say they know it won't be a flashback chapter? Why is that? Seems like it could be another "Riddle House."

Ainsley Black - Nov 2, 2004 1:26 pm (#2736 of 2901)

just had the thought about that! I was thinking after reading again on the site in the 'extras' bit under 'edits' theres one about the first chapter of book 6.

She says that she has tried this chapter at the beginning of all the other books but it finally fits in book 6. I'm thinking along the lines of something like the RiddleHouse chapter, where he has a "dream/vision" and this is the reason he is moved from Privite Drive so quickly to 'Spinners End'. Voldie will be aware of the link he and Harry sub-consiously share now so maybe DD and everyone is taking more notice when Harry's scar hurts.

Blimey by the time we've all picked at this we could re-write her book for her!!

Jo if you've been keeping up with this (which i bet you have) you must be wetting yourself at our little plots and such.

Heather Hook - Nov 2, 2004 1:30 pm (#2737 of 2901)

Hi, I'm new here. I was just wondering if any of you have any ideas about the riddle that was just revealed behind JKR's do not disturb door? I have my therories about the answer to the riddle, but I'm wondering if anyone else has read it yet. I haven't found any posts that mention it.

Sano - Nov 2, 2004 1:32 pm (#2738 of 2901)

the answer is a few posts back in a table...answer that and it leads you to a book, rest of instructions are all in a table a few posts back.

Ainsley Black - Nov 2, 2004 1:35 pm (#2739 of 2901)

Yeah you need to 'highlight' the text so you can read it

Thora - Nov 2, 2004 1:51 pm (#2740 of 2901)

Harry-ette, welcome! You might want to check out the "Good Old Aunt Petunia" thread for discussion of the letters.

Vanessa cave, wlecome, know what you mean about your husband, mine chuckles at me...

Kaden007, you are about as caught up as it gets. We've noticed that the ink on that pen makes puzzle piece like shapes, the number doesn't seem to work in the phone, but then we have trouble deciding exactly what it says it's so hard to read... the sneak-o-scope debate rages on... at least we've conclusively identified the child's rugby ball.

Welcome to the insanity.


Tomoé - Nov 2, 2004 2:06 pm (#2741 of 2901)

I did say I know it won't be a flashback chapter, but it was a mistake, my memory twisted the sentence "The story of 'Prince' takes off where 'Phoenix' ended and does not hark back to four years previously", the "does not hark back to four years" became "does not hark back at all". I should had re-read that part first.

Rosariana - Nov 2, 2004 2:49 pm (#2742 of 2901)

Rosariana - Nov 2, 2004 7:35 am (#2717 of 2746)

Can someone help me? I went through the website again on my new computer and collected all the rewards, but I cannot view them! It says "click here to view your extra-special content" and when I click, nothing happens. Has this happened to anyone else? Do you know what I can do?

Sorry to reiterate, but I am still having problems. Does anyone have any idea what could be wrong? Some of the rewards I have not seen yet! I don't want to miss out. Any help is appreciated!


StareyedSlytherin - Nov 2, 2004 3:04 pm (#2743 of 2901)

Thats an interesting way to look at it, makes me wonder if we'll find out more about those letters in HBP? Then again, I guess we won't have as long to do that, unless this stay is shorter, but more eventful for Harry somehow LOL! I wonder...

Although I tend to think of that word 'last' as just simply describing the time before as opposed to the current situation, not necessarily the last in a long list of letters that came before. That's something new for me to think about too! ^_^

John Bumbledore - Nov 2, 2004 3:35 pm (#2744 of 2901)

Heather Hook, for the answer to the riddle, see post #2727

I used a trick to hide the text so as not to spoil the fun for everyone. simply click and drag your mouse across the table and you will see the text appear.

Has anyone notice the new link on the "Links" book case?

New book on bookshelf titled, "Amnesty International" (well this is the first I have noticed it.)


John Bumbledore - Nov 2, 2004 3:54 pm (#2745 of 2901)

Rosa. Try clearing your browser cache.

If that doesn't help, try these links. I have captured the images, but they remain the work of J. K. Rowling.

Anchient Drawings (Page 1)
Anchient Drawings (Page 2)
Anchient Drawings (Page 3)
Anchient Drawings (Page 4)
First typed manuscript of Philosopher's Stone
Doodlings page 2, ways of 'sorting'
Very early page of Philosopher's Stone


Madame Librarian - Nov 2, 2004 4:21 pm (#2746 of 2901)

Harry-ette (and anyone else interested in discussing letters that DD may have sent Petunia), take a peek at the "Dumbledore's Dursley Letter" thread as well as the "Good Old Aunt Petunia" thread mentioned above. Lots of great stuff there.

Ciao. Barb

Rosariana - Nov 2, 2004 4:50 pm (#2747 of 2901)

Thank you so much Bumbledore! Clearing the browser cache didn't work but I was able to see the rewards through your links. I really appreciate that!

Grindylow - Nov 2, 2004 5:13 pm (#2748 of 2901)

I just wanted to weigh in on what "Spinners End" might be: I agree that it sounds like a place and that Harry most likely will end up there after being at 4 PD. I hope it is a good place and not one that will cause Harry more trouble or heartache. I also wanted to say that I love reading this forum and getting everyone's take on what is on JKR's site. You are so insightful!!!!

Phoenix song - Nov 2, 2004 5:31 pm (#2749 of 2901)

I've been thinking a lot about the way that "spinner" can mean so many different things. I looked up the word on dictionary.com and found a few more things that it can mean that also seem to relate to our story...specifically to Albus and Aberforth Dumbledore.

A "Spinner" is also a bird that is commonly known as a "goatsucker". (Brings to mind Aberforth, of course). A goatsucker was called that because it was mistakenly believed to feed on goat's milk. They're actually insectivorous. They are nocturnal birds that are related to owls, and are covered in very thick brown, gray and black feathers that almost completely mute the sounds of their flight. They are called spinners because of the muted sound that they do make, and because of the extremely erratic path of their flight. Their destination is often unpredictable even when watching them closely.

A "spinner" can also be a synonym of ten-pin bowling. Ten pin bowling was listed on the Chocolate Frog Card as being one of Albus' hobbies.

These two different meanings bring to mind the Dumbledore brothers to me. Perhaps it's a clue that they live on Spinners End or were raised there. Maybe it means nothing at all. I just thought that it was neat how many different meanings a "spinner" can have relating to our story. A fairy tale spinner, a political spin-doctor, a large poisonous spider, an erratic nocturnal bird, a possible location, and a ten-pin bowler. JKR is definitely a wiz with words.


Grindylow - Nov 2, 2004 6:08 pm (#2750 of 2901)

Wow, Phoenix Song! How interesting! I was wondering what significance Aberforth would have in the upcoming books. They mention him so briefly. Thank you for researching this and giving us yet another path for our thoughts to wander on..........
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Leprechaun Jack! - Nov 2, 2004 8:16 pm (#2751 of 2901)

Phoenix song- you blew me away with that one. Interesting... Very Interesting.


LoopyforLupin - Nov 2, 2004 8:29 pm (#2752 of 2901)

Hi eveyone this is my first post although I've been following this thread for a couple of months and been on the Lexicon for a year and a half or so and I just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the help on the clues and all Phoenix song-that is very interesting I had been thinking that(along with others) this was probablly the residence of DD and that leads me to lean that way a little more I guess only time will tell

Daioma Dumbledore - Nov 2, 2004 8:34 pm (#2753 of 2901)

Well Done Barbie, very interesting.

I too think that Spinners End is most likely a place, the first thought that occurred to me though, was that is was where the new OoTP headquarters is located, and that is where Harry is taken to.

Or, and this has just occurred to me, maybe it is where Aberforth lives and Dumbledore takes him there after he's done his time at the Dursleys, and maybe, just maybe, Aberforth will be able to teach Harry Occulemcy (forgive my spelling here!)

From Venus - Nov 2, 2004 8:41 pm (#2754 of 2901)

Man, I was out of commision for a few days and when I came back I had 300+ posts to read and a door to open. Wow!!

So, here's my 2 cents worth: I, too, believe that Spinners End is a place. Since it is only Chapter 2, and since we know that Harry's stay at the Dursley's will be short this year, I believe this must be where he goes to stay until school starts. It has to be somewhere safe, so it probably is the home of one of the teachers. I can't imagine it being DD's home, though.

Also, I believe that Draco's detour will have something to do with foul play. I think he's going to be obsessed with getting revenge from Harry for his father's imprisonment. I think his detour is going to be in preparation for exacting his revenge. I cannot see Draco changing sides, or somehow becoming friendly with Harry. His evilness seems to run too deep.

Finally, I believe that Felix Felicis is indeed a person. And I think he is our "lionish" friend. However, if that is him, and he's not being introduced until the 14th chapter, then I think we can forget about him being the new DADA teacher. But it could still mean that he is the HBP.

Thank you, Jo, for throwing us these tidbits! They ought to keep us going for a while. Now, how about a hint at the date for the book's release? (Hint Hint)

Magical Max - Nov 3, 2004 5:09 am (#2755 of 2901)

Spinners End could also be the location of a OotP "safe house" Harry is forced to flee to after 4PD comes under attack and it's too risky to go directly to 12 GP.

vanessa cave - Nov 3, 2004 5:14 am (#2756 of 2901)

Daioma dumbledore

Or, and this has just occurred to me, maybe it is where Aberforth lives and Dumbledore takes him there after he's done his time at the Dursleys, and maybe, just maybe, Aberforth will be able to teach Harry Occulemcy (forgive my spelling here!)

really like this idea it would be great to learn more about Aberforth. This forum is great its keeping me going while waiting for HBP

Daioma Dumbledore - Nov 3, 2004 6:33 am (#2757 of 2901)

Me too Vanessa. I was thinking someone has to continue to teach Harry & since Snape was such a failure (both Snape & Harry to blame for this but that's for other threads ) someone has to do it, so maybe it will be Aberforth after my dear old Dumbledore rescues him from 12PD

lobelia - Nov 3, 2004 7:05 am (#2758 of 2901)

My two cents worth:

Spinners End: Seems like a place. There is no apostrophe. Also seems likely as a place where Harry will go either in dream status or physically. Hopefully a background story.

Draco's Detour: This one is possessive. It seems like a great time to get that mysterious Hand of Glory!

Felix Felicis: At first I thought it would be the DADA that might of been described in the snippet, but when you all brought up that it means lucky or happy, I thought maybe it could be an invention of the Weasley twins. Harry gave them the money so they could provide some laughs. Whatever it is I hope that it is somehow shortened. This will be hard to read out loud to my son if I have to say it over and over. Even Professor Felicis could be a tongue twister.

From Venus - Nov 3, 2004 8:08 am (#2759 of 2901)

Lobelia, ha ha, good one. I hadn't thought about reading it out loud. That will be a tough one. Better start practicing now. Felix Felicis, Felix Felicis, Felix...

Also, that's a good idea about the Weasly twins' invention. I had forgotten about what Harry said about needing something to laugh about with LV on the loose. Maybe LV puts some kind of spell on everyone that makes them very scared and depressed, and more susceptible to his commands. Or maybe, he has his dementors running all over the place causing mayhem and mind-numbing horror. Then the twins come to the rescue with... Felix Felicis, the fantastic fudgey confection that puts a smile on your face and a song in your heart. Protects you from anything the Dark Lord or his devilish dementors can throw at you!

It makes the Twins an overnight success, makes them rich beyond their wildest dreams, they become instant heroes, and regain their mother's pride and affection.

There. That's that mystery solved.

Lady Kazuma - Nov 3, 2004 9:30 am (#2760 of 2901)

Personally, I'm hoping that the Order wouldn't be so cruel as to send Harry back to Grimmauld Place. It was Sirius's house, and isn't going to be all that long after Sirius dies, so that would be very hard on Harry. I would think that the Order would be more interested in keeping Harry's mental health up to par. Spinners End could be anywhere, or anyone's house, but it makes me a little happier to think that Harry won't be going directly back to Sirius's house.

skh - Nov 3, 2004 9:50 am (#2761 of 2901)

Lobelia - that's a great idea for felix, that it is a Fred & George concoction... can't believe I didn't think of that! Sarah

John Bumbledore - Nov 3, 2004 9:54 am (#2762 of 2901)

All this talk about Grimmauld Place. Has everyone forgot that the Black family house elf, Krecher, turned traitor! GP is no longer a secret. And if that wasn't enough reason . . .

Lady Kazuma make a great point with, "Personally, I'm hoping that the Order wouldn't be so cruel as to send Harry back to Grimmauld Place. It was Sirius's house, and isn't going to be all that long after Sirius dies, so that would be very hard on Harry."

Now about Spinners End, has the 'spinning' fitness fad reached the UK? I'm thinking a magical bicycle shop with a hidden room above/below/behind it similar to Diagon Alley, and the new HQ for the Order.

-- Bd

Thora - Nov 3, 2004 10:03 am (#2763 of 2901)

Bd- ha ha,Pedal! Pedal! Pedal! Don't slow down! Feel the burn! Nice idea, but I doubt it.

The people on this site never cease to amaze me, I could never catch all those double meanings...


Steve Newton - Nov 3, 2004 10:04 am (#2764 of 2901)

Bumbledore, If I understand the Fidelius Charm correctly Grimmaud Place is still a secret.

Ainsley Black - Nov 3, 2004 10:24 am (#2765 of 2901)

I was thinking last night that Spinners End could be Fudge's place???? Would be great if his home predicted his fall from pollotics!!!!! lol but that was just from a thought about spin doctors and his uncany ability to turn things around in his head so they sound much better than they are.

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 3, 2004 10:43 am (#2766 of 2901)

Good idea about Felix Felicis! However, Fred and George would probably refer to him as the 'Dork' Lord Wink

Tomoé - Nov 3, 2004 11:00 am (#2767 of 2901)

Maybe Spinners End is the place where the Longbottoms hid back in the VW1.

Calla 22 - Nov 3, 2004 1:24 pm (#2768 of 2901)

Bumbledore - I was wondering about Krecher and his upcoming role myself. Although I think GP is still protected, he was feeding information to Narcissa. Also who inherits Krecher and what does this mean for the order and Harry? Calla

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 3, 2004 1:44 pm (#2769 of 2901)

That post has got me thinking about Kreacher too. It wouldn't exactly be as easy keeping things secret now that they all know what he's been up to. It wouldn't necessarily mean that the place isn't secret anymore [it still can't be attacked from the outside] but that a way has been found to spy in and gather information. That's not exactly safe either in the long run. I think the place would have too many memories for Harry anyways for me to personnally want to see him return there just yet. In my opinion, it should be moved, and I agree Spinners End seems like a very likely place name-maybe it will be where Harry / maybe even the order end up.

MickeyCee3948 - Nov 3, 2004 5:38 pm (#2770 of 2901)

Kreacher wouldn't be a problem. Any of the wizards could probably perform a couple of charms that would wipe his memories and turn him into an obedient, faithful servant. Will it happen, I doubt it but it could. I agree that the place at this time will have to many memories for Harry. I am thinking more along the lines of Spinners End as another safe house that belongs to one of the order. I believe Harry will be taken there in chapter 2 after learning what Petunia knows about the wizarding world and how she found it out. I think Chapter 1 of HBP is going to be very, very eventful.


dizzy lizzy - Nov 3, 2004 6:25 pm (#2771 of 2901)

Perhaps so eventful, we'll have to pick ourselves off the floor after fainting from shock maybe?

I was always hoping Sirius would deal with Krecher, but now....


Tomoé - Nov 3, 2004 6:34 pm (#2772 of 2901)

Maybe Mad-Eye will do it, he sounds to be quite that kind of guy.

Hermy - Nov 3, 2004 7:14 pm (#2773 of 2901)

The first chapter of the book has been discussed by Rowling on her website. Here's what she says about it:

I have come close to using a chapter very like this in 'Philosopher's Stone' (it was one of the discarded first chapters), 'Prisoner of Azkaban' and 'Order of the Phoenix' but here, finally, it works, so it's staying. And that's all I'm going to say, but when you read it, just know that it's been about thirteen years in the brewing.

Maybe Spinners End tells when Voldemort's mother died, or what Snape's story is - Maybe Voldemort killed someone named Spinner that was close to Snape.

Star Crossed - Nov 3, 2004 7:30 pm (#2774 of 2901)

Hermy, unless JKR had another typo, I don't think it could be the death, as there is no apostrophe.

Flutterby - Nov 3, 2004 8:44 pm (#2775 of 2901)

Yes Aragog has to play some roll, she brought him into CoS,yes maybe as a red herring for the creature of the Chamber, but I doubt that would be the end of his participation in the story. She rarely introduces a character just in passing. So therefore there has to be a greater purpose for Aragog.

Grant the Great - Nov 3, 2004 8:46 pm (#2776 of 2901)

I don't know if someone has already stated this, but I do not have time to read through the last 100 posts (they all flung in at once, and I'm in midterms right now). Anyway, something I'd like to suggest is that Spinners End is a place (as has been mentioned before, but I'm almost sure of it) and perhaps even the specific cottage in Godric's Hollow. Given, I've always assumed Godric's Hollow was the cottage, but that would add a level of interest. Also, perhaps this has already been suggested, but (because some people have suggested it to be a rich manor) I think it also could be the home of the Half-Blood Prince himself!!! ::dramatic music::

OK, I'm running on no sleep for the past two days. Time to catch up!

TwinklingBlueEyes - Nov 3, 2004 9:01 pm (#2777 of 2901)

Spinners End - Perhaps the end of a story, a story from the past maybe? The end of a woven web (story)?

Ann - Nov 3, 2004 9:05 pm (#2778 of 2901)

But that would need an apostrophe, again. And I think it's unlikely to be another typo. (Hyphens are tricky; apostrophes aren't!)

TwinklingBlueEyes - Nov 3, 2004 9:16 pm (#2779 of 2901)

Ok, enlighten me here, it has been 30+ years since I learned, thought about, and promptly forgot about the Rules of Grammer. Please 'splain why that apostrophe is so important?

Ann - Nov 3, 2004 9:24 pm (#2780 of 2901)

Spinners = more than one Spinner
Spinner's = belonging to a Spinner
Spinners' = belonging to more than one Spinner

It's not hard, and the meanings are quite different, so a careful writer like JKR would probably never mess them up. The difference between Half-Blood Prince and Half Blood Prince are more subtle, and since only the first makes much sense, it's a typo that doesn't really change the meaning.

Flutterby - Nov 3, 2004 9:25 pm (#2781 of 2901)

Ok, I have NO IDEA if this has ANYTHING to do with the chapter "Spinners End" but I was searching it on the web and found something rather interesting, In the game of Cricket (sorry Know NOTHING about the sport, I'm from Missouri!) but in Cricket there is a position called "Spinner" seems they are the ones who pitch the ball (sorry as I said, KNOW NOTHING!) I may be reaching but could this have some correlation to Quidditch?

TwinklingBlueEyes - Nov 3, 2004 9:43 pm (#2782 of 2901)

Thank you very much! Was as I thought, thank you for clairifying.

Spinners = more than one Spinner Spinner's = belonging to a Spinner Spinners' = belonging to more than one Spinner

Back to my original idea, I think this chapter will give us a lot of answers to some background questions we have been wondering about. Spinners - more than one spinner, more than one storyteller.

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 3, 2004 9:54 pm (#2783 of 2901)

I don't really think that they have a spinner position in Quidditch, or that it would be the topic of a chapter so soon in the book, but good point though ^_^

riotgrrrl - Nov 3, 2004 9:56 pm (#2784 of 2901)

Flutterby- that's a new "spin" on spinners-I think that brings our total up to about 50, right? And many of them just as likely as the next. BTW- Flutterby- are you originally from Texas? Just wondering.

TwinklingBlueEyes - Nov 3, 2004 10:10 pm (#2785 of 2901)

Might I make a suggestion? Go back and re-read the books and get unconfused?

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 3, 2004 10:11 pm (#2786 of 2901)

I know, they are pretty confusing when you try to read over all of them, hehe!

Missouri sounds like a great place though ^_^

virgoddess1313 - Nov 3, 2004 10:21 pm (#2787 of 2901)

Missouri is a wonderful place. But, I guess since I live here I am biased.

LoopyforLupin - Nov 4, 2004 12:33 am (#2788 of 2901)

lobelia: thought your idea of the twins was brilliant seems like something they would do

from venus: loved the jingle made me laugh

grant: I liked your idea about Godrics Hollow and the HBP living there either now or in the past hmmm

Quidam - Nov 4, 2004 1:25 am (#2789 of 2901)

I think that;

Spinners End is a place and it is the location of Godrics Hollow

Felix Felicis is a person and he is the DADA teacher who is also the man described in the paragraph JKR let us read in August.

No idea about Draco's Detour

Magical Llama - Nov 4, 2004 4:21 am (#2790 of 2901)

I have heard that J.K.R's first chapter is going to be a bit bizarre compared to the opening chapter in her other books. I believe that the first chapter in the HBP will be a flash back scene, so that leads us to chapter 2; the beginning of the story from Harry's perspective. Will Spinners end be a location near Harry's house, or a location in the wizarding world that Harry reaches by way of magic. If chapter one is indeed a flashback -- is it possible that Chapter 2 will be a continuation of that flashback?

Daioma Dumbledore - Nov 4, 2004 4:44 am (#2791 of 2901)

Flutterby, the 'spin' position you mentioned in your post, isn't really a position, the person is a "spin bowler" ie: bowler is the position they play, spin the type is ball they bowl (or pitch if that's what you'd like to call it) like the pitcher in baseball that throws a curve ball. Hope that helps.

I love the idea that Spinners End in where Godrics Hollows is, although as I mentioned earlier I still like my idea that maybe Aberforth is there & Dumbledore takes Hary there & Aberforth takes over teaching Harry Occulemency.

I think Felix Felicis is the character mentioned in the excerpt we recieved & I too have no idea about Dracos Detour, but I'm looking forward to reading it, it sounds quite interesting

From Venus - Nov 4, 2004 9:22 am (#2792 of 2901)

I just had a thought about Draco's Detour. What if Draco has been in touch with his father and has been asked to go to the MoM with another pocketful of gold? Maybe somehow it becomes discovered, then, that Fudge has been taking bribe money and that's how he loses his job as Minister.

Joelle - Nov 4, 2004 10:02 am (#2793 of 2901)

think its possible that felix felicis has anything to do with christmas? feliz navidad--i could be pulling this from my rear as well.


riddikulus - Nov 4, 2004 10:03 am (#2794 of 2901) "
Edited by Nov 4, 2004 9:04 am

Everyone has great ideas. I like the idea of the twins contributing, somehow. I've always thought that there will be a significance to them and their abilities, in the coming books... I personally feel that they will make something that will help, in the final war and or that their store will be a place that will be of interest. I don't however think that Spinners End will be related to them, if that was suggested. It's a good thought, but it's too early in the book for that. It could mean one of the twins dies.... but again, it's just too early in the book for me to think that's the case, as well.

colbow - Nov 4, 2004 10:04 am (#2795 of 2901)

I think Fudge sealed his fate when Voldie was dancing around the MOM! Fudge had been been preaching that Voldie was not back and that Harry and Dumbledore are crazy,yet here's Voldie!!!! But From Venus, you maybe right that Fudge has been taking bribe's before Luicus went to Askaban....It will interesting to see if anyone from the forum gets the clues right...that would be a bonus!! The posts of the Lexicon are so well thought out, so wouldn't doubt some one has hit the nail on the head!

Nearly Legless Mick - Nov 4, 2004 10:37 am (#2796 of 2901)

I don't know if anyone's suggested this yet, but to me felix felicis sounds like a latin or scientific name for an animal. I think the domestic cat is felix felis, so maybe felix felicis is the term for a kneazle.

Annika - Nov 4, 2004 11:25 am (#2797 of 2901)

I agree that Felix Felicis may be the cheering charm due to its Latin root meaning Happy, Lucky or Fortunate and the inventor of the cheering charm being named Felix. The other two I am stumped on. Spinners End sounds like a place to me, but there have been so many great suggestions that I can't decide.


mike miller - Nov 4, 2004 11:52 am (#2798 of 2901)

I like the idea of Draco's Detour being some kind of trap Draco sets to get revenge on Harry for putting dear Lucius in Azkaban. It would definately solve the problem of having something Draco does being seen from Harry's point of view.

I really hope that Spinners End begins to fill in some of the desperately needed backstory about Harry's family; and being a place within or near the village of Godric's Hollow fits nicely.

Stringer - Nov 4, 2004 12:20 pm (#2799 of 2901)

Since it has been said Harry will have his shortest stay at #4PD yet, I am hoping he ends up at Lupin's residence. I think Lupin has been a voice of reason for Harry since they met, even more so than Sirius. (please stop hissing!) I do love Sirius, but he lets emotion guide him more so than logic. I am hoping Spinners end is a reuniting place for Harry and Lupin. Somewhere Harry can learn more of his families past.

wolfgrl - Nov 4, 2004 12:27 pm (#2800 of 2901)

Nearly Legless Mick "I don't know if anyone's suggested this yet, but to me felix felicis sounds like a latin or scientific name for an animal. I think the domestic cat is felix felis, so maybe felix felicis is the term for a kneazle. "

That is a very good thought. I like the idea of it being a kneazle. Or, since the scientific name for a wolf is canis lupis hense our good friend Lupin, it could be the cat like person we have been given the discription of.
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wickedweasley - Nov 4, 2004 12:29 pm (#2801 of 2901)
Edited by Nov 4, 2004 11:30 am

There were various versions of scenes in which you actually saw Voldemort entering Godric's Hollow and killing the Potters.

The above is taken from the extra stuff section of JKR's site under edits First Chapter of PS. This is directly above the section Opening Chapter of New Book, in which she states

I have come close to using a chapter very like this in 'Philosopher's Stone' (it was one of the discarded first chapters)

Does anyone think this is more than coincidence?

Ginerva Potter - Nov 4, 2004 1:30 pm (#2802 of 2901)

Hi everyone! I'm new to the forum and I haven't seen anyone post this idea about Draco's Detour. Sorry if someone else has.

I was thinking maybe Draco's Detour has something to do with the graveyard on Hogwarts grounds. In some interview with the director of Prisoner of Azkaban (sorry I don't know which one), he said he would like to add a graveyard to the a scene in the movie. JKR said no way because the graveyard was a critical part of book 6. Maybe Draco hints about the graveyard to Harry and Harry goes there?

Just a thought.


Tomoé - Nov 4, 2004 1:32 pm (#2803 of 2901)

I think it's no coincidence, it's hint. ^_^

I strongly believe Voldemort at Godric's Hollow will be the chapter one. Voldemort will be obcess by that event since he lost the prophecy and have no way to learn what went wrong. Harry will catch the memory.

Edit : Oh! good thinking Ginerva, maybe Harry goes to the cimetary for Sirius burial and catch a glimpse of Draco on another grave or doing something else around Hogwarts.

wickedweasley - Nov 4, 2004 1:36 pm (#2804 of 2901)
Edited by Nov 4, 2004 12:43 pm

I agree. it did strike me as one of those jk style hints which when you have an outcome to reflect from it's a well duh how could I miss that?


I have not seen this interview. Did she definately say book six? I only ask as the graveyard scene in GoF was crucial and that was (in terms of the films) the next book.

Sticky Glue - Nov 4, 2004 2:13 pm (#2805 of 2901)

I've been thinking that Godric's Hollow is a small magical town or village, and I now think that Spinners end may be a street in that village.

I wonder if Harry's (almost distroyed house) is in that street and Harry finds out alot about his past.

Maybe there is a Potter tapistry like the Black family tree one, Harry might find it in the remains of his house in spinners end.

legolas - Nov 4, 2004 3:34 pm (#2806 of 2901)

I had a vague passing thought that Spinners end be where Aunt Marge lives. But I have rejected that idea because it would not make sense in the storyline.

I do like the idea that it is related to his parents house/Godrics Hollow

Hogs Head - Nov 4, 2004 4:05 pm (#2807 of 2901)

On linking "Spinners" or "Spinner's" or "Spinners'" to Aragog, someone (Flutterby?) referred to Aragog as "she." I made the same mistake myself a few months ago on a different thread. Aragog, though is a "he," and he has a wife.

To quote from the Lexicon itself, if I may:


A male acromantula, raised by Hagrid in 1942 and now living in the Forbidden Forest; by the 1990s, Aragog's coloration was mixed with grey, and he had gone blind, apparently due to cataracts. Aragog is married to Mosag and they have numerous offspring. Harry and Ron encountered Aragog in May of 1993 and barely escaped with their lives, although out of respect for Hagrid, Aragog does not seek out humans as prey (CS15).

ara from "aranea" L. spider + "gog" from "Gog" a legendary giant (pp.159-160)

Perhaps this is not important in many respects, but tell me -- isn't it only the females that spin? I'm no expert on that subject.

emma bailey - Nov 4, 2004 4:26 pm (#2808 of 2901)

I think that Spinner end has could be explain the down fall of Fudge. We all know that Fudge is getting kicked out of office. Right. Just maybe it has to do with Fudge's last spin on the truth. I think that Rita should write the story. Just a thought. Hello to all I'm a new member.

Ainsley Black - Nov 4, 2004 4:31 pm (#2809 of 2901)

I just thought about Sirius Funeral seeing as it's been mentioned. It's not going to be an actuall funeral is it? It will be a mamorial and a low key one at that seeing as i doubt if his name's been cleared due to the lack of a sighting of Wormtail! Anyway i was wondering if maybe Spinners End could be the place where it is decided to lay a memorial to Sirius!!! Just a thought.

MrsGump - Nov 4, 2004 4:44 pm (#2810 of 2901)

The scientific name for the common house cat is Felis domesticus I thought of the lion-ish description when I first saw the chapter title, but the problem is lion is Panthera leo and even tiger is Panthera tigris Not that it can't be his name, it just wouldn't be as accurate as the Lupin connection.

I did also think spell since it is Latin, and I like the Cheering Charm theory a way back. Especially since Hermione makes such a big deal out of missing that lesson.

P.S. Oh, and I think people forget Aragog is a HE, because Shelob is a SHE in LotR.

Carina - Nov 4, 2004 6:44 pm (#2811 of 2901)

Hey... The DO NOT DISTURB sign is off of the door, but I can't open it. Is it a mistake on their part or is there a trick I'm missing?

DJ Evans - Nov 4, 2004 7:34 pm (#2812 of 2901)

Felix Felicis > Cheering Charms > Felix Summerbee > Prof. Filius Flitwick ???

Please excuse if someone has already mentioned this, but I just wondering if the title name for Chapter 14/Felix Felicis could have something to do with our own Prof. Filius Flitwick, the charms teacher? Some have said that the Latin meaning of it could be happy/glad/lucky/etc.... & some were thinking that it could be some type of charm. (such as a Cheering Charm?) So I'm thinking that Chapter 14 might be more about Prof. Flitwick and his background.

Also, I looked up Cheering Charms on the Lex and it says that the charm was invented by a Felix Summerbee during the 1400's. And it also noted that Felix Summerbee was the 1st Wizard to be featured as the Wizard of the Month on Jo's website when it originally opened in May, 2004. Maybe that is a clue in it's own right --having Felix Summerbee as the first one on her website?

Could Felix Summerbee even have some kind of a tie-in to HbP?

Later, Deb

Ludicrous Patents Office - Nov 4, 2004 7:50 pm (#2813 of 2901)

Carina I don't know how to open it either. LPO

Tomoé - Nov 4, 2004 8:00 pm (#2814 of 2901)

Carina, wait for Peeves, he'll turn the vase over and flying keys will fly by.

riotgrrrl - Nov 4, 2004 8:58 pm (#2815 of 2901)

I was unaware of the graveyard quote but thanks for the information. However, it would be strange to have a funeral for Sirius since there is no BODY. I think there is more to his death and we'll find out later (but that's better discussed in another thread). Along the lines of Spinners End, has anyone mentioned James' parent's house? Sirius mentions how he lived with the Potters from age 16 (OotP, Ch.6?) and this may become another headquarters, although it does seem a bit early for that to be mentioned in Chapter 2--unless you consider the fact that she'll be using a chapter she's been holding onto for a while. You have to admit, she really gave us some vague but interesting clues, clever woman.

Matilda the Pygmy Puff - Nov 4, 2004 9:31 pm (#2816 of 2901)

I have seen a few translations of the Latin Felix Felicis. They are the nomnitive and genitive forms of the same word which mean, according to different people either luck/lucky or feline. I wish i had my Latin dictionary to be sure. There is no connection between the two definitions, but I think it might be a spell because peoples name are not usually in Latin. Perhaps its a spell to bring good luck, or to transfigure ones-self or another into a cat.

Amos77 - Nov 4, 2004 9:34 pm (#2817 of 2901)

Thanks Valis-I will give that a try-had a computer failure this week so I am playing catch up!

Hogs Head - Nov 4, 2004 9:43 pm (#2818 of 2901)

Back to my spider question for a second, if anyone knows, is it only the female spiders that spin? I have some recollection that male spiders usually don't live more than a few seconds after their mating ritual ended but that, even if they did, they didn't have the capacity to spin webs. Is that wrong? Assuming regular male spiders DID live just a little longer, CAN they spin webs? Any spiderologists (I made that up, obviously) out there? Arachnologists? Whatever you are properly called? Por favor?

Hollywand - Nov 4, 2004 10:00 pm (#2819 of 2901)

Spiders of both genders are spinners, Hogs Head. Female spiders are often much larger than their male counterparts, and many of the males do become meals after the mating ritual, but not all. Some have elaborate semaphore signals to enchant the female, and thus avoid decapitation, others bring gifts such as a nice wrapped bug for her to feast on in exchange for her favors.

Grant the Great - Nov 4, 2004 10:02 pm (#2820 of 2901)

Re: Felix Whatever: Turning someone into a cat? Didn't the books say that sixth year you began human transformations?

Also, I haven't heard the graveyard quote, either. It sounds like some rumor. Can anyone give me a reputable source?

I'm liking the Godric's Hollow quote even more after I made it up. It makes sense: the place finally revistited.

Magical Llama - Nov 4, 2004 10:30 pm (#2821 of 2901)

DJ Evans --

Your post was very insightful and that is a great theory!

Ginerva Potter - Nov 4, 2004 11:51 pm (#2822 of 2901)

I found the quote on TLC. It says:

Cuarón: I give you an example: There's a scene where Malfoy wants to see Buckbeak being executed. It's where Hermione punches him. And there's a sundial. We thought we need something there. I said 'Let's put a graveyard there'.

She says: 'No, you can't have a graveyard there'. And I'm like, 'Why?' She says: 'Oh because the graveyard is near this other wing of the castle and it's going to play an important part in number six because such and such and such.'

So, that's why I think that maybe Draco's Detour has something to do with the graveyard on Hogwarts grounds. Maybe Draco knows something about the graveyard or what's there and he eggs on Harry to go there.


Ginerva Potter - Nov 5, 2004 12:00 am (#2823 of 2901)

I don't know how to link, but I can tell you how to get to the quote.

If you go to TLC's main page, there is a link that says Everything there is to know about Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince(if you're not J.K. Rowling).

You have to scroll down a long way, but it says:

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban director Alfonso Cuaron let a couple of tidbits loose during a CBBC interview.


mooncalf - Nov 5, 2004 1:27 am (#2824 of 2901)

Here's a piece of another interview with Cuaron, from Premiere Magazine:

In one moment I had this graveyard, and she says, no, that graveyard can't be there," and I say, "Why?" "Because the graveyard is in this other place," and she gives you this whole explanation of why.

Cuaron was admittedly not an expert on all things Potter, as we are, and I'm sure he gave a million interviews; it would have been easy for him to make a mistake on the number of the book. My guess is that he just misspoke when he mentioned a graveyard scene in book six, and he meant book four. We all know there is an important graveyard scene in GOF, and I would assume that he was talking about that, and not giving us a hint about book six.

Saud - Nov 5, 2004 2:03 am (#2825 of 2901)

Did the graveyard scene in GoF happen close to Hogwarts? I had assumed that the portkey had taken Harry and Cedric a long way away from Hogwarts. But then if she gave him all "this whole explanation of why" then I think she was referring to the GoF grave as I would expect her not to leak any more info to Cuaron.

But seriously, Harry has to make a visit to his parents grave. I mean, come on.

wickedweasley - Nov 5, 2004 5:08 am (#2826 of 2901)

here is the follow up response to that comment taken from the CBBC website

"Lizo: So wow, there's a graveyard at Hogwarts that plays a crucial part in book six!

Alfonso: Six or seven. She said 'later on' - I don't have the specifics. "

vanessa cave - Nov 5, 2004 5:31 am (#2827 of 2901)

I like Saud have always thought the graveyard in GOF was a long way away and i'm suprised there hasn't been any mention of the potters graves in the books

Madame Librarian - Nov 5, 2004 6:00 am (#2828 of 2901)

The graveyard at the end of GoF is in or near Little Hangleton, no? That's the town where the Riddle family home is located, the town where the opening chapter of GoF is set, the town where Tom murdered his dad and grandparents, the town where Voldemort and Wormtail (and Nagini) are holed up for a while, and the town where Frank Bryce is killed.

The GoF "reunion" scene is set in the graveyard where Riddle, Sr. is buried (bone of the father) and I'm pretty sure that would be nowhere near Hogwarts.

Ciao. Barb

Nearly Legless Mick - Nov 5, 2004 6:18 am (#2829 of 2901)

Yeah, I've always assumed the graveyard scene with LV is in Little Hangleton.

I think the map section here has Little Hangleton in Yorkshire (North East of England) and Hogwarts is generally reckoned to be a secret location in Scotland, so they are at least 100 miles apart.

PS - Yorkshiremen do have a bit of a reputation for being, well, different from the rest of us here. But I wouldn't say LV is typical of the stereotype - unless Nagini can transform into a whippet.

Snuffles - Nov 5, 2004 8:24 am (#2830 of 2901)

Nearly Legless Mick - How do Yorkshiremen differ from the rest? being a Yorkshire girl myself i'd love to know.

From Venus - Nov 5, 2004 8:26 am (#2831 of 2901)

Sorry to change the subject, but, when do you think Jo will start a new poll for FAQ? I'm thinking that it's about time.

azi - Nov 5, 2004 8:27 am (#2832 of 2901)

I wouldn't say Lord Voldemort was exactly the stereotype of a person from Yorkshire either, Mick. Smile Although I do find your Yorkshire comment extremely funny, being from Yorkshire and all. *smirk* You forgot the flat caps...Smile Hmmm, Voldie wearing a flat cap...

I thought Little Hangleton was in Northumbria. Slightly more north than Yorkshire. Could be North Yorkshire I suppose. Why would Voldies father be buried at Hogwarts anyway? He's not a wizard and I assumed it was a wizarding graveyard. Also, surely if Harry was transported to a graveyard in the grounds of Hogwarts then Dumbledore would find it hard to get to him, just follow the phoenix song, flashes of light and screaming.

From Venus - I hope there's a new FAQ very soon. Smile

DJ Evans - Nov 5, 2004 8:37 am (#2833 of 2901)

Thanks Magical Llama -- It just seemed like with "Felix Summerbee" having invented the "Cheering Charm" and him being the very 1st "Wizard of the Month" on Jo's website has to be some type of clue on the Felix Felicis chapter. Then with Prof. Filius Flitwick as the "Charms" teacher? Who it is rumored (from his chocolate frog card) that he was a dueling champion when he was younger -- along with having great knowledge in Entrancing Enchantments. It seems this just might be the chapter that Prof. Flitwick gets to "shine" and is brought forward in the storyline!!!

Later, Deb

Ann - Nov 5, 2004 8:40 am (#2834 of 2901)

GoF, Chapter 32 (after Cedric and Harry have taken the Triwizard Cup portkey): They had left the Hogwarts grounds completely; they had obviously travelled miles--perhaps hundreds of miles--for even the mountains surrounding the castle were gone. They were standing instead instead in a dark and overgrown graveyard; the black outline of a small church was visible beyond a large yew tree to their right. A hill rose above them to their left. Harry could just make out the outline of aa fine old house on the hillside.

This is clearly Little Hangleton (the fine old house is the Riddle House of chapter 1); and aside from the line about hundreds of miles, we've also got the long flight in Harry's dream in a previous chapter, where Harry flies for a long way on the eagle owl sent to Voldemort by Moody/Crouch. And we also know (end of chapter 1) that the Riddle mansion was 200 miles from Privet Drive. So is this all reasonable for a Little Hangleton in Yorkshire (or Northumbria)?

In any case, the graveyard on the Hogwarts grounds described by the director is clearly not the same as the graveyard at the end of GoF.

Grant the Great - Nov 5, 2004 9:09 am (#2835 of 2901)

I just think Cuaron (can't spell, sorry if that's wrong) just screwed up. Sorry, I don't have the highest opinion of him, and I get the impression that he'd just be confused about things. After all, why would a graveyard be on Hogwarts grounds? It just doesn't make sense.

Neville Longbottom - Nov 5, 2004 10:22 am (#2836 of 2901)

It makes sense under special circumstances, IMO. Most castles have something like a vault, for example. Maybe that's what Cuaron meant (or what Rowling meant when she said that there couldn't be a graveyard near Hagrid's Hut, since the Hogwarts "graveyard" is the vault). Maybe that's the place where the Hogwarts Headmasters are burried. Dumbledore will join them in book 6, and that's how Harry will learn about it. I am sure Cuaron did not mean the Little Hangleton graveyard, because this graveyrad has nothing to do with Hogwarts.

Steve Newton - Nov 5, 2004 10:26 am (#2837 of 2901)

NL, I don't recall mention of a vault.

Neville Longbottom - Nov 5, 2004 10:34 am (#2838 of 2901)

That's true. But I think there's quite a lot in Hogwarts that Harry and the others don't know. Maybe it has some secret entrance, so that the graves of the dead Headmasters are not disturbed, and only a few people know about it. At least it seems more likely to me than a graveyrad, because you would think that by now Harry would have seen the graveyard. But I don't think he necessarily has to know about a vault.

Matilda the Pygmy Puff - Nov 5, 2004 11:18 am (#2839 of 2901)

On the chapter titles. Does anyone think that "Draco's Detour" could be a trip to Knocturn Alley to pick up the Hand of Glory?

KTO - Nov 5, 2004 12:20 pm (#2840 of 2901)

or a graveyard like the one in the vatican where the popes are buried.

bella - Nov 5, 2004 12:39 pm (#2841 of 2901)

I can't believe I had not picked up on the fact that Harry had never seen his parent's grave, and in fact doesn't even know if there is one or where it is located. Poor guy, these next couple years really are going to be difficult. *sniff

Joelle - Nov 5, 2004 2:14 pm (#2842 of 2901)

I thought much as you did Matilda about Draco;s Detour. However there dont seem to be many agreeing opinions on that one. -Joelle

Tomoé - Nov 5, 2004 3:38 pm (#2843 of 2901)

I don't think Draco will get the Hand of Glory in book six, because I belive he already got it in book 2. Jo said : "the "Hand of Glory" which Draco gets from Borgin and Burkes in Chamber of Secrets" (Scholastic.com, October 16, 2000). That was in a chat, it seems she forgot we didn't know Draco got it later that day.

Fawksey girl - Nov 5, 2004 4:29 pm (#2844 of 2901)

HOw did you get in the door, I am dying to see what;s in there. Any help would be appreciated.

Neville Longbottom - Nov 5, 2004 4:32 pm (#2845 of 2901)

You have to wait a bit until Peeves appears. Then you have to use one of the keys (and only one fits, if you aren't lucky, you might have to try quite a long time). Once the door opens, you'll see a desk. Open the drawer and use the magnifying glass to read the letter on the books. It's a riddle. Type the answer (it's : CHAPTERS) and you'll get the prize.

Fawksey girl - Nov 5, 2004 4:44 pm (#2846 of 2901)

Thank you so much Neville!! I am forever indebted to you.

emma bailey - Nov 5, 2004 6:31 pm (#2847 of 2901)

Well I guess no one seemed to think much of my thought. I still think that you guys are making this a lot harder than it has to be. I think that Spinners End, has to do with Fudge leaving office. Just think, Spinners End (its a pun), because he always put his own spin on things in papers. You know to hide the fact that LV is back. He can't denie it now!

emma bailey - Nov 5, 2004 6:42 pm (#2848 of 2901)

And now it is time for him to leave the office!

TwinklingBlueEyes - Nov 5, 2004 6:55 pm (#2849 of 2901)

It could well be emma. For now I am staying open-minded to all possibilities. :-)

emma bailey - Nov 5, 2004 6:59 pm (#2850 of 2901)

Me too. Thank you for the Reading it TBE. @>--<---
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Saralinda Again - Nov 5, 2004 8:31 pm (#2851 of 2901)

Ohh, dearie me.

I'm just plowing through this stuff, trying desperately to catch up on over a year's worth of Pottermania, and I come across this (now ancient, like Mid-May) post from SE Jones:

Thanks Liz. I hadn't even heard half of those rumors, they were funny! I'm still roaming around the site now. As for the Voldie thing, I think Saralinda's nicknames have gotten a wider distribution around the internet that she ever thought they would when she created them. When most of our membership use terms like Voldie" or "Voldilocks" we remember Saralinda and the way she had of posting which puts the terms in context, but other sites that have picked the terms up don't and may overuse them just a tadbit.... "

Voldielocks I'll take responsibility for, along with the potential demon spawn "Volderoy Lockmort," but I'm sure the term "Voldie" erupted prior to my brief waddle onstage.

BTW, to quote the horror flick, I'm baa-aaa-aack ...


(Who has missed you all unspeakably)

remiden - Nov 5, 2004 9:27 pm (#2852 of 2901)

Jo is usually really crafty in what she lets appear. I think the biggest clues are in which chapters she let out of the bag, but not in a each one sense, but in a all three together type way. Spinners End, Dracos Detour, and Felix Felicius. What they have to do with one another, I have no clue. Just what I think about the chapters.

However, I did think of something humorous. Could you imagine if Draco was going to use floo powder to go somewhere, and he inadvertantly sneezed or misspoke and ended up at the Burrow, popping out the the firepleace while all the Weasleys except Percy are sitting there eating breakfast? What a scene that would paint! Or even yet, possibly in the bantering that usually goes on between Harry and Draco, I could see Draco standing in the fireplace about to leave, when Harry grabs some floo powder, throws it into the grates and shouts out a name of a place like Azkaban, or even worse, 4 Privet Drive! Draco meeting Dudley........

From Venus - Nov 5, 2004 9:29 pm (#2853 of 2901)

The more that I think about it the more I am liking the idea of DM's detour being taken down Knockturn Alley. Why else did Jo make a point of identifying the place so carefully and making sure we got such a good look at what was there? I was pretty sure at the first reading of it that we would be seeing it at least once again. Anywhow, we know, don't we, that Draco wanted that hand and ol' dad wouldn't let him have it. Well, now that Dad's "tied up"..."when the cat's away..."

By the way, hello, Saralinda Again. Nice to meet you (and welcome back.)

EDIT: Remiden, that would be interesting, to say the least. Hey, what if he accidentally pops up at Hagrid's in time for tea? Could you just see his face? Or Hagrid's?

Nearly Legless Mick - Nov 6, 2004 3:57 am (#2854 of 2901)

This idea of Draco's detour being down Knockturn is a good one. JKR has probably thought of something beyond our wildest predictions, but the Burgin and Borkes scene is one I really enjoyed in COS, and I'd like to see Draco alone with the shopkeeper. I expect he'd treat him with as little respect as Lucius did, and it would be fun to read what the shopkeeper mutters to himself in response.

I'm not sure if Draco did pinch the Hand of Glory, but I remember waiting ages to re-watch the scene in the COS film and I was disappointed that one of my favourite scenes had been cut so ruthlessly. The Hand of Glory does seem the perfect tool for Draco, allowing him to get up to mischief like Harry does in his cloak.

PS - Snuffles, if you think I'm going to answer your little question to me you must have mistaken me for someone with guts. My wife is from Sheffield (although I AM a stereotypical soft, southern shandy drinker, and definitely not to be trusted), and I know better than to risk upsetting a Yorkshire lass. As a Yorkshire girl yourself you are better qualified than me to tell us how Yorkshire men might be different (and I was very careful how I worded it in my original post)

However, Azi has provided a lovely image of LV in a flat cap, which sadly I doubt we'll ever see. Likewise I can't imagine Nagini as a whippet really. We also know LV likes to communicate by using the Dark Mark, so my hope that he keeps pigeons rather than owls is probably wide of the mark.

As for drinking habits, we know LV is bitter, but he doesn't seem to drink it, preferring his recipe using ingredients provided by Nagini. I wouldn't stoop to suggest that only a Yorkshireman would drink his own concoction made of snake-milk rather than get a round in, but you've got to reckon that poor Wormtail paid more than his share of bar tabs on that long journey back from Albania.

But we do have one really good piece of evidence that LV does have some Yorkshire in him, despite his hatred of all things muggle. We all know the bit when Harry finds Tom's Diary and wonders what he was doing buying a diary down in Vauxhall. But it's obvious now isn't it? He must have been on his way to t' Oval to watch Yorkshire play Surrey.

Chemyst - Nov 6, 2004 6:53 am (#2855 of 2901)

"Azi has provided a lovely image of LV in a flat cap, which sadly I doubt we'll ever see. Likewise I can't imagine Nagini as a whippet really. We also know LV likes to communicate by using the Dark Mark, so my hope that he keeps pigeons rather than owls is probably wide of the mark.
As for drinking habits, we know LV is bitter, but he doesn't seem to drink it, preferring his recipe using ingredients provided by Nagini. I wouldn't stoop to suggest that only a Yorkshireman would drink his own concoction made of snake-milk rather than get a round in, but you've got to reckon that poor Wormtail paid more than his share of bar tabs on that long journey back from Albania." - N L Mick

Uh huh. (intoned slightly askance) That's certainly a disgusting, um, refreshing point of view!

Tomoé - Nov 6, 2004 11:47 am (#2856 of 2901)

Welcome back Saralinda, I didn't remember "Volderoy Lockmort", but I like it a lot!

Nearly Legless Mick -> JKR has probably thought of something beyond our wildest predictions

That's what I hope. ^_^

As for Voldemort the Yorkshireman with flat cap and whippet, well, he grew up in an orphanage in London, so technically, his a Londoner, no?

Yuricorn - Nov 6, 2004 12:57 pm (#2857 of 2901)

Hi all!

It has been a couple of days that I'm reading all the stuff on this thread and in my opinion you did a great job!

There is a bit I'd like to add: Spinners End doesn't fall in the pattern of the street names in the Dursley's neighborhood - all of the street names are derived from plants.

In my opinion Spinners End belongs someplace else in the known geography of the Wizarding World. E.g. It could be in Godric's Hollow or maybe somewhere close to the Malfoy's Mansion?

In that case it might point in the same direction as Draco's Detour in Chapter Six.

Her-melanie - Nov 6, 2004 1:01 pm (#2858 of 2901)

I think a spinner, or pinwheel, fits with the flower/plant theme since they can be found in gardens.

Yuricorn - Nov 6, 2004 3:53 pm (#2859 of 2901)

Her-melanie - maybe you are right.

I think that Jo's general intention was to base the previous hints she'd given by means of chapter names. For example: 1. She hinted that Harry will stay a very short period at Dursleys and now we can understand that he'll leave them already in the second chapter. BTW Her-melanie, that goes against your pinwheel theory. 2. We already know that something "small" from CoS will reappear in HBP and in that light Draco's Detour could be seen as a hint that Draco will return to the Knockturn Alley. 3. We've been presented to the new character (the lion-like one) in the previous installment of the door opening and now we get his first name - I tend to think that Felicis describes the events of that chapter (happy, I hope), just as "Detention with Dolores" does (dolores=pain).

There are many beautiful and ingenious theories left outside by my assumptions, but I think it probable and very like Jo to just continue on pressing the line on the same hints she already had given us.

mindy blue - Nov 6, 2004 4:08 pm (#2860 of 2901)

Ok, did anyone else think of Snape when they saw "Spinners End"? Spinners End kind of sounds like the name of a dark gloomy place, a place I could imagine Snape living in. Maybe Harry goes to live with Snape, and in the (long) process they learn to be friends, or at least get along, and we learn Snape's story. Plus, if Snape really is a double agent spying on the DEs, and something happens at the Dursley's that makes it unsafe (that's my opinion on why it'll be his shortest stay yet, there's already been dementors there), wouldn't Snape's be the next best place for Harry to hide? I don't think Grimmauld Place is going to be so safe any more, even with the Fidelius charm, because of Kreacher. Maybe it's just wishful thinking, because I REALLY want to know what the deal is with Snape, but for some reason I thought of Snape's house when I read Spinners End.

Aurora Gubbins - Nov 6, 2004 4:10 pm (#2861 of 2901)

I can 'onestly say, as an 'onory Suthun Nancy meself, I 'ave 'artily enjoyed the chat about LV bein' from Yorkshire (me own 'ome county), tho' I 'ave to say I reckon 'e was from Lancashire, I truly do!

(Slips back into web chat accent) Remember our old friend the Sorting Hat telling us how Slytherin came from Fen? Anyone think that the Riddle's old home might be in that area?

As for Snape's birthday appearing on JKR's website, I'm not sure if it's been up there or not, but whiling away the many hours of loud bangs and bright flashes, I found myself wondering if Jo would wish a Happy Birthday to someone she doesn't really like. Can anyone tell me if it's been on, please? xx

Lina - Nov 6, 2004 4:17 pm (#2862 of 2901)

I'm sorry to go few posts back, but I feel the need...

Matilda Jones: I have seen a few translations of the Latin Felix Felicis. They are the nomnitive and genitive forms of the same word which mean, according to different people either luck/lucky or feline. I wish i had my Latin dictionary to be sure. There is no connection between the two definitions, but I think it might be a spell because peoples name are not usually in Latin.

Not usually in latin? I took HPL Which wizard and went only until F. Here are the examples:
Sirius (serious)
Regulus (rule)
Albus (white)
Perpetua (constant)
Filius (son)

These were literal, and then, with a little working on latin words we can get:
Vincent (he who wins)
Cornelius (something about horns)
Flavius (yellow)
Argus (showing)
Seamus (he who loves himself)

The only point is that some latin names have become too common, so we do not notice that they are latin, but what struck me when I was reading the books was exactly the number of latin names. And probably there isn't the English version of the name Felix, but there are few languages with their version of that name (i. e. Fortunato - in Italian, Srecko - in Croatian) and those names are not so uncommon.

And for the family name being Felicis, it sounds to me like Olaf Olafson, for example (the first example that came to me if I didn't want to bother you with Croatian or much more frequent Russian combinations).

So my bet is that Felix Felicis is the new DADA teacher. Some more arguments:
CoS: chapter 6 of 18 - Gilderoy Lochart
GoF: chapter 13 of 37 - Mad-Eye Moody
OotP: chapter 12 of 38 - Professor Umbridge
(Bloomsbury edition)
In the PS/SS and PoA, i didn't find the chapter with the DADA teacher in it's name.

And about the Spinners end, I really like the Round Pink Spider's theory about Sleeping Beauty. I'm surprised that very few members backuped it. It really makes sense, the sixteenth birthday and the Wizarding World... Except, I can't really imagine how it fits in the story. But I like it.

And about Draco's detour, I'm almost sure that it is going to be both - physically and psychologically.

Her-melanie - Nov 6, 2004 5:20 pm (#2863 of 2901)

I don't think Harry's shortest stay ever at Privet Dr. goes against my theory, since he could leave the house without leaving the neighborhood. I'm not saying it will happen, but it could. And yes, mindy blue, I did think of Snape, because some have suggested that his animagus form might be a spider, and if it is, how appropriate that he would live somewhere called Spinners End. Regardless of where or what, I do think Spinners End is a place. (Side note: Spinners End is also a novel by Mary Minton. If anyone has read it, he/she might fill us in.)

Chemyst - Nov 6, 2004 5:26 pm (#2864 of 2901)

Lina, your lists inspired me to do a bit of research of my own. I think I have the second chapter narrowed down to a little over 400 possibilities now:

My dictionary lists six definitions for spinner, not counting the jazz group The Spinners. For the word spin there are 7 as a transitive verb, 8 as an intransitive verb, and 7 as a noun. Two more are listed for spin off. That is 30, so far.
If you want to speculate with RPS's theory, add 9 more definitions of spindle. Also interesting, but probably not germane, spinnaker, a triangular sail, is derived from the word "Sphinx."

The word end has 10 defininitions as a noun, 2 more as a verb and 1 as an adjective, plus the related phrase "end all."

Since there are hundreds of combinations for these definitions, I'd guess that Spinners End is a pun where at least two of the combinations are right.

Matilda the Pygmy Puff - Nov 6, 2004 7:53 pm (#2865 of 2901)

So sorry Lina, you are correct. I think what I ment was that excluding names that were constellations, few were in latin. I had forgotten about Snapes and DD though, and I had no idea Seamus was from Latin. So, it could very well be a name.

remiden - Nov 6, 2004 9:48 pm (#2866 of 2901)

Also keep in mund that Harry's shortest stay at Privet Drive means he leaves in chapter one. Jo could in fact mean that time wise he leaves the drive earlier in the Summer Holidays than any other book. She could however write several chapters about what happens while he is still there. I still think that your theories are simply too easy. Draco going to Knockturn Alley and Felix being the new teacher or the HBP are exactly what JK would expect you to think of. She is a master of red herrings, so don't look for an answer that fits or makes sense.

Redneck7 CO - Nov 6, 2004 10:24 pm (#2867 of 2901)

EB I like the idea that Spinners End has to do with Fudge being ousted from office. It would make sense because we are likely to find who the new Minister is early on in the book.

I also like the idea previously mentioned that Spinners End is the residing place of Dumbledore and/or Aberforth

From Venus - Nov 6, 2004 11:31 pm (#2868 of 2901)

I have so many posts to keep up with that I can't, and it is all so interesting.

Her-melanie, I had not heard that Snape's animagus form could be a spider. I shuddered when I read that. No wonder Snape creeps me out. I HATE spiders. Oh, I can not bear thinking about Harry living with Snape, I had a hard enough time dealing with the occlumency lessons!

But, O gosh, now that you say that, it would be a fitting name for his street. I hope you're wrong.

P.S. I don't mean to hurt any spider lover's feelings or anything, I apologize if I did. I just have a "thing" about spiders. Sorry.

P.P.S. I don't mean to hurt any Snape lover's feelings either, and so I'm sorry for that too. Hmmm, maybe I should just keep quiet.

riddikulus - Nov 7, 2004 9:37 am (#2869 of 2901)

I have to admit, I'm becoming influenced by those who've mentioned that Spinners could refer to a tale being spun. Someone like Rita Skeeter could be at the core of this name. Perhaps she breaks her deal with Hermione and she makes good on her end of the bargain, thus... Spinners End. Just a thought.

Of course, deep down, I still think, because it's chapter 2, as I previously suggested... it's going to be a place. Oh the ag-O-knee.

Adami - Nov 7, 2004 10:35 am (#2870 of 2901)

When I read Felix Felicis I emediatly thought about Fawkes. That's because the Dutch name for Fawkes is Felix, but I don't think that chapter is about him. I also think that Spinners end is a street or something like that.


Lina - Nov 7, 2004 2:39 pm (#2871 of 2901)

Chemyst, thank you for doing the research of your own. I just find it amazing, diving into words and languages. And I think that Jo likes to do it too, she likes to use the words with many meanings, so she can make our heads spin... I do not have so expansive english dictionaries, so I find it more interesting - choosing among the few words I get in the croatian translation and having their multiple meanings. I just wish that somebody tells what is the word used in the fairy tale "The sleeping beauty" in English.

remiden : Also keep in mund that Harry's shortest stay at Privet Drive means he leaves in chapter one.

I'm not too sure that it means exactly this, but it reminded me that Jo says that the opening chapter of the HBP was ment for the SS/PS, then for the CoS and finally it fits here. (And she didn't give us the title of this chapter... ) It means that it has to have something to do with happenings before Harry's arrival at Dursleys. So it made me think of Harry's parents and other stuff, and I came back to the Sleeping beauty. Voldy would be something like the evil fairy who says that the Beauty will die at her sixteenth birthday, and his mum is the good fairy that decides she will not die but fall asleep. Except, the dying/falling asleep didn't happen when Harry was 16 but when he was 1, so the dream ("... for neither can live while the other survives ... ") could also last less then 100 years.

Riddikulus: Of course, deep down, I still think, because it's chapter 2, as I previously suggested... it's going to be a place.
I must admit that this sounds convincing.

haymoni - Nov 7, 2004 3:30 pm (#2872 of 2901)

I agree with those who say Spinners End is a place. I think it will be where Harry goes after his shortest stay.

Draco's Detour fits in very well with my theory that he will not return to Hogwarts. Chapter 6 is fairly early in the book - Harry might not find out that Draco isn't in school until the Opening Feast.

The Felix chapter sounds like a name to me also.

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 7, 2004 3:45 pm (#2873 of 2901)

I believe Spinners End can only be referring to a place so early in the book, but I just can't help wondering if it could also serve as a clue or warning of the future of whoever lives there [whether its Snape, Fudge, or Rita Skeeter, or someone else who might be linked to the word 'spinner'] Maybe in a later chapter they'll somehow meet their "Spinners End"?

Aurora Gubbins - Nov 7, 2004 4:40 pm (#2874 of 2901)

You know, without his father's influence, Draco may well indeed take a different direction. Remember Lucius wanted to send (according to the boy himself) Draco to Durmstrang but "mother wouldn't allow it", I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Mrs M in books 6 and 7. With Malfoy Snr being very much the front man of the family, and Mrs M obviously wearing the trousers at home, we are bound to have our eyebrows raised at what may happen with the power shift. Haymoni may be onto something!

From Venus - Nov 7, 2004 6:24 pm (#2875 of 2901)

Going back a few posts to what Adami said about Fawkes=Felix in Dutch. What if Felix Felicis is Fawkes. (the bluebird of happiness ) There isn't any way that Fawkes could be a half-blood prince, is there? Of course, the DADA would have to be someone else, then. The liony guy I guess.

As for Draco going to Durmstrang, I don't know, I think his mom didn't want him going there, and she's pretty much in charge of him now. I wonder what kind of a witch she is.

Ludicrous Patents Office - Nov 7, 2004 7:09 pm (#2876 of 2901)

Draco's Detour may mean that his father and Voldemort are going to use Draco to get Harry. Or Draco has came up with the idea himself. He may want to deliver Harry to Voldemort. It would too far fetched for him to pretend to be Harry's friend. LPO

Joelle - Nov 7, 2004 9:40 pm (#2877 of 2901)

Plus remember how JKR was saying something about the people who were in love with draco. How that was kind of scary simply because of who he is. She talks about him as though is is very much full of hate. I dont think Draco's Detour will be over to the "good Side" to be star wars about it Wink


riotgrrrl - Nov 7, 2004 11:01 pm (#2878 of 2901)

Another important point to go along with Draco's mother- I think it's important to remember all of the talk about wizards and their families and how good wizards can come from bad families and vice versa- Mrs. Malfoy COULD be quite a bit different from her familiy...okay, anything's possible.

vanessa cave - Nov 8, 2004 5:28 am (#2879 of 2901)

I'm suprised the door is still open how long does it usually stay open for? also anyone have any ideas when we might get a new poll question?

Hogs Head - Nov 8, 2004 6:43 am (#2880 of 2901)

Instead of Snape, I'd more likely associate Spinners End with Dumbledore, Mad-Eye, or Lupin -- or maybe even my beloved Aberforth. Someone has to teach Harry to protect his thoughts and, if I didn't misread Dumbledore's apologies to Harry at the end of OoP (Book 5), I thought Snape had been declared the wrong choice for that task.

MickeyCee3948 - Nov 8, 2004 10:54 am (#2881 of 2901)

I believe that Spinners End is the street in Godric's Hollow where Harry will go to find his parents old home. We never have been given a street address of the hous such as #12 Grimmauld Place or #4 Privet Drive. I think Harry will go there after a blow out with Aunt Petunia and Uncle Vernon in Chapter 1 of HBP. JKR said that HBP takes up where OotP left off which could be literal and right after they arrive home from the train station.


Ainsley Black - Nov 8, 2004 12:11 pm (#2882 of 2901)

I've never thought of Godric's Hollow as a street or village but as the actual house.

I am edging towards the idea that Harry goes looking for more answers about his parents and i think Dumbledore will help him with this after his huge apology to Harry at the end of OotP.

I'm also hoping that JK will open the door again on the usual time scale which is every 7 weeks i think someone worked out, meaning that it should close at some point soon and open again on or around the 22nd November. Go on Jo give us more!!!!! PLEASE!!!

Stringer - Nov 8, 2004 12:39 pm (#2883 of 2901)

Defining characters as "spinners" I would name Rita Skeeter, Cornelius Fudge, and Aunt Petunia.

We know a little about the future of each of these characters. Rita will be released from Hermione's ban on her writing. Cornelius will no longer be the Minister of Magic. Aunt Petunia has received letters from Dumbledore before, and we will learn more of that background.

Maybe the reason Harry spends his shortest stay at #4PD relates to it existing. In Voldie's rage, maybe he attacks #4PD. JK said there would be more deaths in this book. Spinners End could relate to a death of a "spinner" and Petunia IMO fits the profile. As for how Voldie find #4PD, he is now out in the open, and torturing someone for that information seems his style. There are a lot of characters who know Harry returns to his Aunt and Uncles home for the summer.

wolfgrl - Nov 8, 2004 2:35 pm (#2884 of 2901)

I agree that Spinners End is a place. I do not think it means someone's death. I know JKR said more people will die, but I do not believe she will announce this with the title of a chapter. Chapter titles give you a clue to the chapter, not the climax of the chapter. And someone's death, especially that early in the book, would definitely be the climax of a chapter.

Medulla - Nov 8, 2004 4:27 pm (#2885 of 2901)

I don't think mrs.M will influence Draco for the better. Don't forget she is a member of the black family who kretcher still respects! that means she has to be fairly nasty in her own right- with or without her husband around.

Grimber - Nov 8, 2004 5:00 pm (#2886 of 2901)

Spinners End sounds like a place. being chapter two, more than likely its the location of the re-located Order of the Pheonix Headquarters. ( afterall Narsissa knows where the order is through Kretcher, so Grimwald place is no longer safe). also being chapter 2 could be the place harry goes to from leaving the Dursleys ( shortest stay this holiday)


could be the place Harry has to go into hiding untill school starts? Voldemorts remaining DE's makes a move against the Dursly house so they have to flee?

Dracos Detour. sounds like Draco is in charge of something or makes a suggestion to a group of students and makes a choice that probably goes wrong or is a trap ( like a trap by DEs to get some of the studetns that were with Harry in DoM)?

chapter 16... story/background of who the HBP is? the new DADA teacher? some established characters REAL name ( we known only an alis of so far)?

mindy blue - Nov 8, 2004 5:07 pm (#2887 of 2901)

Hog's head- ok maybe I was being hopeful. I just want everyone to get along! But even if Harry doesn't go hide out at Snape's, I still think "Spinners End" sounds like a place where Snape would take up residence. I don't have any real reasons for thinking this, but that was my first thought when I saw it.

remiden - Nov 8, 2004 5:25 pm (#2888 of 2901)

Even if someone knows where the headquarters are at, they still cannot see the order until they are given the secret by Dumbledore. Anyone thinkt hat it is odd that the most powerful wizard in the books has a name that starts off with dumb?

TwinklingBlueEyes - Nov 8, 2004 5:59 pm (#2889 of 2901)

30 points for your house remiden! That was a very basic simple observation that I had overlooked. Interesting point!

Redneck7 CO - Nov 8, 2004 6:03 pm (#2890 of 2901)

Grimber I don't think that Narcissa actually knows where Grimwauld is, remember that Dumbledor is secret keeper and Kretcher therefore would not be able to divulge that information. On the other side we do know yet to whom Kretcher now belongs; is it Harry because Sirius was his godfather; or is it one of Sirius' other blood relatives.

From Venus - Nov 8, 2004 6:58 pm (#2891 of 2901)

Now that I think of it, it is not too far-fetched to think that Draco might make a detour (on command) to LV or one of the DE's in order to get instructions on what he is to do at Hogwarts. If they think that they can get to Harry through a student, DM would be the perfect choice. I think that Malfoy would jump at the chance, but then I think that once he gets his "feet wet" in the service of LV he will realize how truly evil he is and probably be afraid. I don't think of Draco as being very brave. I picture him more as the wormtail sort of person. Once he finds out that daddy's influence can't help him where LV is concerned, he won't be so cocky. If he makes LV angry, his life may be on the line.

Aud Duck - Nov 8, 2004 8:59 pm (#2892 of 2901)

Even if Kreacher could not tell Narcissa where the headquarters are, I think she probably has a shrewd idea. Kreacher hasn't left the house in years. He may not be able to tell her what he knows, or even that he knows it, but the fact that he can tell her anything at all would signify that Sirius and Harry must have crossed paths with Kreacher in the recent past. And where else but Grimmauld Place? She may not know that it is the headquarters, but there's a good chance that she would figure out that Grimmauld Place fits into the equation somewhere.

Krypt 24 - Nov 8, 2004 9:47 pm (#2893 of 2901)

Ok...this is how my brain works: Spinners End, as in "Some spinners go on and on, while other spinners end." Pretty sad, huh?

Grimber - Nov 8, 2004 9:53 pm (#2894 of 2901)

aud duck:

thats sort of my thinking lines. Kreacher wouldn't have to tell them the order is actualy at Grimmauld. He has already ran to her after Sirius told him to get out, any Black would rather know who Kreacher is and where he came from. Grimmauld supposedly should be empty or people Kreacher would never leave unless ordered to do so, so someone is living there. Malfoys also 'seemed' to have recognized Sirius at Kings Cross station. Not hard for someone as sly as the Malfoys to put 2 and 2 togeather.

Seems Grimmauld was unplotable before the Order moved in ( by Sirius father? DD just added more protections to it). So If Sirius could find it, seems logical aother closely related Blacks could as well.

DD being secret-keeper was of the knowlage that the Orders Headquaters was located there, not that Grimmauld exists.

riotgrrrl - Nov 8, 2004 10:09 pm (#2895 of 2901)

Right, so even if they know that the place exists, they can't enter without DD's acknowledgement...Is that right? Or can they enter but can't see the people inside? It's hard to tell from the prior description of the abitliy of the Secret Keeper to hide the inhabitants. Any other thoughts?

Grant the Great - Nov 8, 2004 10:25 pm (#2896 of 2901)

I think a secret keeper depends on the specific incident. Dumbledore is the secret keeper of the HEADQUARTERS of the Order. On the other hand, Wormtail was the secret keeper of the POTTERS. Therefore, LV could "look in their sitting room window" and never find them, while no one could find the actual headquarters, 12GP. So, there are my views. Also, the book said that the protections were placed by Sirius' father, and DD set up the Fidelius Charm.

StareyedSlytherin - Nov 8, 2004 11:26 pm (#2897 of 2901)

I don't think any other Blacks would be able to come and go as they please at 12GP, because it was DD who put that protection on it [the Fidelius Charm], as he is the secret keeper. They may know the location and address of the house [and it would be reasonable that they had visited 12GP at some time, probably many times in the past, being relatives], but I doubt they'd be able to even see it, the same way Harry couldn't see it until he was given the address even though he was right in front of the house. The reason would be because even though they may know the address or location, DD didn't give it to them personnally. Since their information didn't come from DD himself, it wouldn't be able to help them now. With that in mind, its also possible that LV may have done his homework and knew pretty much where the Potters were located, but needed Wormtail to direct him to them personally before he could make his attack.

Also I think that , because of this, 12GP would remain perfectly safe for the Order if it weren't for Kreacher. He can't give away the location since he isn't secret keeper himself, but as long as he's around he can give away information on what goes on inside as he has in OtP, and this has proven very dangerous for the Order.

Anyways, that's my thoughts ^_^

Ginerva Potter - Nov 8, 2004 11:44 pm (#2898 of 2901)

Grant the Great - I agree. I don't think anyone can find 12 GP without DD giving them the address.

StareyedSlytherin - I agree with you, too. I don't think Kreacher can give away any past information that he has already learned about the Order. Sirius directly ordered him not to tell that information. I don't think he can give it away even though we know Sirius is gone. However, I don't think that they can be around Kreacher now since there is no one living to tell Kreacher not to give the current and future plans away.


Adamo Lateramen - Nov 8, 2004 11:48 pm (#2899 of 2901)

I was just reading a while back about how is sirius going to have a funeral with out a body, and it occured to me that we dont know where James & Lily are buried. Does anybody have any theories on where the Potters have been put to rest? I was thinking Godrics Hollow, which makes me wonder why, if the Potters lived there, whey did Harry not inherit Godrics Hollow? Why has Harry never even been to Godrics Hollow?

I think that Felix Felicus is the Cheering Charm

Dracos Detour i am very excited about, i think i remember reading something about how his mother Narscissa is going to become more involved. I could see her bringing Draco to 4PD and sitting down 'chatting' with Aunt Petunia. scary...

Spinners End may be where Draco lives? Maybe not, it sounds too placid a name, but perhaps.

Redneck7 CO - Nov 9, 2004 12:47 am (#2900 of 2901)

I agree that DD would have to tell the location for someone to find the house. There is the possibility though that Sirius's relatives may know where the house is located i.e. they visited 12GP before DD put the fedlius charm, but because the charm I do agree that they cannot find it. If they know of the general location of 12GP and the Malfoy's did put 2 and 2 together with kretchers visit then it should make since that the death eaters would be watching the comings and goings of the Order around 12GP making potentially dangerous to keep as a headquarters where there is the heightened possibility for an attack just outside of the house.

This is assuming of course that the Order enter the house through the front door which has been set so far by precedent as I don't recall anyone entering the 12GP by any other means.

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