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S.E. Jones - Jan 3, 2007 5:23 pm
Edited Jan 20, 2007 11:09 pm
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S.E. Jones - Jan 4, 2007 2:37 am (#2 of 91)
Maybe it's because he's such a stereotypical baddie - apathetic, glory-seeking, domineering, power-hungry, out for himself only, wants to rule the world, blah blah blah. Lucius does some very evil things, but at the same time has a wife and son who, although he may bully, he seems to actually care for, and they certainly love him deeply. It makes him such a multi-dimensional character. Umbridge, although not necessarily multi-faceted, is the perfect example of a "real life bad guy", so maybe we see in her people we know and hate.
Elanor - Jan 4, 2007 5:44 am (#3 of 91)
Maybe is it because Voldemort "doesn't play in the same category" of bad guys than the other "baddies" of the series: Lucius, Umbridge, etc. belong to the "villains" category when Voldemort belongs to the "extra-villains" and would compete only with extra-bad guys like Sauron or Palpatine!
TomProffitt - Jan 4, 2007 6:08 am (#4 of 91)
We don't interact with the Tom Riddle character very much. I think if we had been allowed to vote for Severus Snape he would have gotten a lot of votes as "love to hate" (even though there are many who don't hate him). We have been much more directly involved with the other villains mentioned.
Liz Mann - Jan 4, 2007 11:00 am (#5 of 91)
I think that the minor bad guys just make more of an impact on readers than Voldemort because they get more page time and Harry interacts with them more.
Finn BV - Jan 4, 2007 10:18 pm (#6 of 91)
Tori, that is exactly why I wanted to start this thread! It's just like Jo noting that nobody every says Harry is their favorite character. (Two instances I can remember of this ? on Richard and Judy in June; giving Potterish.com the Fan Site Award.)
Also, just wanted to comment how special I felt that my three votes for the favorite thread section were the three winners. Props to Madam P and Ginny too.
Mediwitch - Jan 5, 2007 7:30 pm (#7 of 91)
For me, Voldemort and Umbridge don't qualify for the love part of "love to hate". I really despise Umbridge and well, Voldemort is THE big evil one, so I don't love hating him. Lucius is just so good at being bad! Of course, I am influenced by Jason Isaac's portrayal - he is a wonderful villain!
journeymom - Jan 7, 2007 3:45 pm (#8 of 91)
So, Snape is not guilty of supporting Lord Voldemort.
I voted both a "guilty" and a "not guilty" for different circumstances. Finn did as well, I think.
Sarah, how did you count those votes? Did you simply tally both my votes in the appropriate column? Or did you pick one of them? I'm curious, were you asking is Snape currently guilty? Or, are you asking has he ever been?
S.E. Jones - Jan 7, 2007 10:20 pm (#9 of 91)
I believe the question John suggested was more is he currently guilty of supporting Voldemort. As such, I counted your and Finn's votes as "Not Guilty" as that's what you indicated for the present situation versus formerly. Usually when someone doesn't specify an answer or they specify two answers equally without any way to show their preference of one answer over another in a particular situation, I don't count their vote at all. Or, if someone specifies more than the stated possible answers, like when we voted for up to three and some people voted for four answers, I'll take the first three and ignore the ones that follow unless they specify a preference of one answer over another.
Does that answer all your questions, journeymom?
By the way, that poll will have a follow-up which will be posted sometime on the 9th.
journeymom - Jan 7, 2007 10:42 pm (#10 of 91)
Esther Rose - Jan 8, 2007 10:02 am (#11 of 91)
As far as the Snape question goes. The question was whether he was a Death Eater supporter or not. Snape is a shady enough character that I really can't tell either way. Not to mention in OotP Snape seems to be giving Harry a small clues to Voldemort's vulnerability and strengths.
Unlike other DEs who seem to fear him to the point of wanting to become Voldemort's most honored Death Eater, Snape seems to not even consider this option.
Mrs Brisbee - Jan 8, 2007 11:07 am (#12 of 91)
The exact question was: You have been selected to sit on the Wizengamot, the evidence and witnesses have been presented in the form of the six Harry Potter Books. The charge is being a supporter of the Dark Lord. How do you find.
I took the Mother Nightish route and voted guilty because if you consciously do things that support the Dark Lord, then you're supporting the Dark lord. If I took a very narrow definition of "supporter", then it might get to the point where Bellatrix hardly qualifies!
I noticed a few of the people who voted Not Guilty did so because they thought Snape might simply be out for himself. I'd be interested to know how the Not Guilty reasons break down.
LaLex - Jan 11, 2007 4:26 pm (#13 of 91)
I just joined, so I didn't get a chance to vote on past polls...
geauxtigers, as Favourite Bad Guy Poll do you mean the "love to hate" one? Because the two definitions are slightly different: in a favourite bad guy poll I would have voted Lord Voldemort, in a love to hate poll Lucius Malfoy. It's just different perspective: I don't even hate Lord Voldemort, I just find that he is the perfect ultimate villain. I hate Umbridge, but not in a way I particularly like. Lucius is just nasty to witness yet highly entertaining, hence lovable to hate.
Mrs Brisbee, I too think that Snape is mostly out for himself, especially now that Dumbledore is dead. I feel that those loyalties that went beyond himself went to Dumbledore, and even if Snape turned out to be fully out for himself, that would always make him Not Guilty of being a supporter of the Dark Lord. If he were to be considered a supporter just because some of his action (independently of the reasons they were brought about) somehow turned out in the favor of the Dark Lord then Umbridge and Fudge should also be tried on those charges.
journeymom - Jan 12, 2007 10:37 am (#14 of 91)
Mrs B, your reference to "Mother Night" really got me thinking. My response doesn't have much to do with the Poll anymore, so I'm going to take my response over to Snape's own thread.
juliebug - Jan 25, 2007 6:47 am (#15 of 91)
I had a thought about Draco's task. Some argue that because he was working on the vanishing cabinet from the very beginning of the school year that his task must have been to get DE's into the school. I wonder, what if Draco hadn't originally planned on using the cabinet to bring anyone in, but rather to quickly get himself out and to a safe place once he had completed his task?
S.E. Jones - Jan 26, 2007 12:23 am (#16 of 91)
juliebug , your post might do better on the Malfoy's Task and the Vow thread.
Finn BV - Feb 1, 2007 9:31 pm (#17 of 91)
This is actually a comment of a very old poll, the first one I ever submitted, called Thinking Ahead ? OoP Movie. Looking back at it now, I am quite pleased to see that only one of those choices will be cut, from what we've heard so far, and that's Quidditch, which is probably least critical. Everything else will be in the film, so hurrah for Movie 5!
wynnleaf - Feb 2, 2007 3:26 pm (#18 of 91)
I was reading a lot of the comments along with the votes on the sentencing poll, and it's really coming out that exactly half the people who voted in the "guilty/not guilty" poll, voted either some version of "not guilty" or "guilty with mitigating circumstances." But now all those posters, if they want to vote in the next poll, have to vote according to a "guilty" verdict.
On a jury, at the very least have to have a majority vote to get a guilty verdict, wouldn't you? And the guilty verdict was not a majority, especially when all the rest were not-guilty or with mitigating circumstances.
Of course, there's practically no way the poll would end with any one answer getting a true majority. But still, it would have been nice - given that exactly half of the posters gave a mitigating circumstances or not guilty vote - if the sentencing poll had included options that we could use that more reflected that.
Thom Matheson - Feb 2, 2007 5:59 pm (#19 of 91)
Also remember that the pollsters also read beyond the evidence presented to come up with their answer. Jury's are not allowed to go beyond the evidence presented either.
S.E. Jones - Feb 3, 2007 3:55 am (#20 of 91)
Actually, wynnleaf, you can split the choices for that vote into simple "guilty" (either by mitigating circumstances or not) and "not guilty" (either by self-defense or not). If you do that, there is a majority voting "guilty". As it was, 50% voted for just plain guilty and 21.4% voted for just plain "not guilty" as apposed to the other two choices, but in a simplified version, 76.2% voted "guilty" (mitigating circumstances or no) and only 23.8% voted "not guilty" (Self-defense or no). So, there was a majority vote as it only has to be over half to be as such, and three quarters of the voters gave a "guilty" verdict.
TomProffitt - Feb 11, 2007 4:08 pm (#21 of 91)
I am trying to decide whether or not to be surprised that so many people (just under 50%) think that Trelawney was part of the Death Eater (as victim) raid on Hogwarts.
It's a really good theory, albeit with very little to back it up. I don't think the truth we discover on this score in DH will be a surprise to me either way. (Which is kind of the opposite of how Dumbledore's death winds up; I'll be surprised no matter what the answer is.)
Solitaire - Mar 3, 2007 8:21 pm (#22 of 91)
It's a really good theory, albeit with very little to back it up.
I don't know, Tom ... Lucius Malfoy's task was to get that prophecy, so that Voldemort could hear it in its entirety. Lucius blew it. That left two ways of hearing the prophecy: Dumbledore, who heard it originally, and Trelawney, who made it. It makes sense that Voldemort might decide Draco had to rectify Lucius' mistake by bringing one of the two to him. Is it possible that this was Draco's original task? If so, Trelawney does seem like a more obvious choice than Dumbledore. As an old tosspot, she is weaker and more vulnerable and would make an easier target, IMO.
TomProffitt - Mar 4, 2007 6:06 pm (#23 of 91)
Solitaire, when I say "little to back it up" I'm not saying that it doesn't follow logically that kidnapping Trelawney would be part of Draco's task. I'm saying that we have almost zero specifics about the Task itself.
It's very hard to draw rational conclusions with out data. We can make good guesses, but that's all they really are, though, is guesses.
John Bumbledore - Mar 5, 2007 1:41 pm (#24 of 91)
Dumbledore believed he and Harry were the only ones to know the full prophecy that Trelawney had given. Even if they took Trelawney, there does not appear to be any evidence that she would recall any of the prophecy.
Snape knows part of the prophecy, told that part to Voldemort. It follows that Voldemort knows both who gave the prophecy and that Dumbledore was the only one to have heard all of it (if there is more or not and if anyone at all heard all of it.)
I think it safe to conclude that Dumbledore keeps Trelawney safe at Hogwarts not for need to protect the prophecy but to protect her from Voldemort. He would damage or kill her even in a hopeless attempt to extract a memory that she does not have. Alternately Dumbledore may have been guarding against the possibility that Trelawney would make another prophecy in the future, wishing to prevent such a prophecy from falling upon the wrong ears.
If either is valid, then the greater danger was if Dumbledore was captured alive. Thus the expression on Snape's face could indicate that he abhorred the necessity of killing the weakened Dumbledore in order to protect the prophecy.
If Voldemort though any one else had knowledge of the prophecy, he would seek to capture and extract the memory. Thus, such a sacrifice by Dumbledore may serve to protect Harry, Ron and Hermione from abduction and interrogation, as only Dumbledore knew who else had been told the prophecy.
Sorry, this may not be strictly a discussion of these polls but it just all came to my mind and I wanted to get in recorded.
I would conclude that Draco's task was to get the Death Eaters into Hogwarts and to capture Dumbledore for questioning.
John Bumbledore <)B^D?
Finn BV - May 17, 2007 5:10 pm (#25 of 91)
I was really surprised to see that OoP was the favorite book (it's mine too), but because most of my friends loved PoA or GoF so much more. And I'm surprised there wasn't one vote for the first two? just goes to show if you're somebody who can't get past the beginning of the series, you're just missing out on the best!
geauxtigers - May 17, 2007 8:51 pm (#26 of 91)
Hmm that is interesting, Finn. NO one voted for the first 2...that’s odd. Also weird that OoP is the favorite, seems like all I ever hear is that people got annoyed with Harry in OoP. It’s my second favorite to PoA by about a half a point. Does have some of the funniest parts of the entire series in it!
Mrs Brisbee - May 18, 2007 9:43 am (#27 of 91)
I'm surprised PoA didn't win. It is my second favorite, after OotP. I bet that if we had used a point ranking system, PoA would have come in first. It seems to be well liked solidly across the board, whereas with OotP it's either you love it or you hate it.
S.E. Jones - May 18, 2007 12:42 pm (#28 of 91)
A lot of people went back and forth between PoA and another book (especially OotP), but then decided on the other book for whatever reason. There were a lot of really solid points mentioned as to why it was a favorite, even among those who finally picked one of the others in the series, so I have to say I was a little surprised myself. I've been wondering if some of the vote for OP as a favorite came out of those who discovered the series after GoF was published and the plot points mainly known and thus truly experienced their first true Potter read with OP?.....
me and my shadow 813 - May 31, 2007 2:40 pm (#29 of 91)
Regarding poll about what was foreshadowed in PoA - warning: gloating alert - see old DD thread, post #2391
I'm not sure but I hadn't read it anywhere before posting : ))
Chemyst - Jun 11, 2007 4:26 am (#30 of 91)
I know the poll, What was foreshadowed in the PoA movie? isn't scheduled to close for another six days, so this isn't yet a "result" discussion, but...
Since the release of Scholastic's Deluxe edition cover art with the trio and the flying dragon, does anyone remember anything from the Buckbeak flying scenes of the movie that deviated from strict book-canon but could have foreshadowed something happening during a flight on a dragon?
journeymom - Jun 11, 2007 11:04 am (#31 of 91)
Well, one deviation I can remember, in the movie Sirius is kept in a 'cell' instead of a room. In the movie Harry and Hermione land Buckbeak outside the cell. In the book Harry manages to get Buckbeak to hover at Sirius's window, and Sirius climbs out the window onto Buckbeak's back. Kind of like how Harry climbed into the Ford Anglia in CoS.
Perhaps in DH Harry lands the dragon outside a cell where Hermione and/or Ron are being held.
Mediwitch - Jun 21, 2007 8:14 am (#32 of 91)
Interesting results on the Nagini-as-a-horcrux poll. If you look at it from a simple yes/no perspective, there are 21 "no, not a horcrux" votes and 18 "yes". I can't wait to find out the answer!
me and my shadow 813 - Jul 6, 2007 1:30 pm (#33 of 91)
Regarding dragon cover art, someone told me JKR's website clues indicate the dragon is not Norbert... anyone get that far?
Sticky Glue - Jul 6, 2007 7:21 pm (#34 of 91)
What clues on her website?
me and my shadow 813 - Jul 9, 2007 11:56 am (#35 of 91)
I don't know - I gave up on that challenge - but apparently if you go through some door that leads to somewhere else there's a clue or a statement that the dragon in the art is not Norbert.
Mattew Bates - Jul 9, 2007 12:25 pm (#36 of 91)
M&MS813, do you mean the sketch of a page from "Dragon Breeding for Pleasure and Profit" (revealed when you click on the marble while Peeves goes by)? It still doesn't prove anything unless we know the artist consulted that material before painting the cover. Or are you referring to something else?
me and my shadow 813 - Jul 11, 2007 10:39 am (#37 of 91)
Delayed answer, Mattew - I'm not around much lately - The guy I talked to said there's a door on JKR's website you can enter by following her clues, and the door leads to a statement/sign that the dragon is not Norbert. I gave up on the wild goose chase that is Jo's website so can't help you any more than that... good luck!
Mattew Bates - Jul 11, 2007 3:54 pm (#38 of 91)
The Deluxe Edition cover was only released on June 8, and none of JKR's updates since then have spoken directly of the cover. The W.O.M.B.A.T. Grade 3 only briefly mentioned dragons. I think your guy was feeding you a line, M&MS813.
me and my shadow 813 - Jul 11, 2007 8:22 pm (#39 of 91)
Oh, okay good...
me and my shadow 813 - Jul 15, 2007 9:39 am (#40 of 91)
I had an odd thought when considering Severus's Patronus, because on the horcrux thread folks were discussing whether or not he is descended from Gryffindor. I don't think it would be good writing necessarily on JKR's part to just toss that in at the last minute after all we know so far to the contrary (and it doesn't seem like one of those cool twists). However, I thought it would be amazing if Severus's Patronus was a griffin (connected with his happy memory of DD taking him in) and that's why it would give too much away for JKR reveal it. Just a thought. Also, off topic, but does anyone know what Lily's Patronus was? I was thinking lion or griffin...?
Chemyst - Jul 24, 2007 6:53 pm (#41 of 91)
From 5/27/07-6/17/07 there was a poll called What was foreshadowed in the PoA movie? I am now thinking it had to do with the portrayal of Dumbledore, but to say more might be a DH spoiler.
freshwater - Jul 28, 2007 9:05 pm (#42 of 91)
I thought that Lily's childhood friendship with Snape was foreshadowed in Remus' comments to Harry that Lily could see the value in someone, even when that person could not see it in themself. At the time I took that to mean that she was understanding about his "furry little problem", but not I think it could also refer to Snape and his outcast/Death-Nibbler status while at school.
Solitaire - Jul 30, 2007 7:02 pm (#43 of 91)
Freshwater, I thought the same thing!
painting sheila - Jul 30, 2007 8:29 pm (#44 of 91)
Good one Freshwater!
Good Evans - Aug 7, 2007 12:04 pm (#45 of 91)
a big W00t!! to Pamzter and me and my shadow 813 (woo hoo to you!!) for their answers to the what is Snape’s patronus poll a few weeks ago..... are either of you JKR in disguise?
Mrs Brisbee - Oct 22, 2007 3:50 pm (#46 of 91)
On the How'd you feel about the epilogue? poll, the answer that got the most response was E - wasn't enough, I'm going to wait for Jo's encyclopedia. That was what I had voted for, but I just wanted to clarify that it isn't so much that I want an encyclopedia as I would have liked another chapter between it and "The Flaw in the Plan" to wrap things up and wind things down.
geauxtigers - Oct 22, 2007 6:54 pm (#47 of 91)
I agree, Mrs, Brisbee. I think one more chapter would have been good before the epilogue. I still like how it ended on the note that it did, but it'd have been nice to have a little more on what happened just after, I feel it was still an important part of the story, and we didn't get to see it unfold.
Madam Pince - Oct 23, 2007 5:07 am (#48 of 91)
Ditto! I hate when things happen "off-camera"....
PeskyPixie - Oct 23, 2007 9:12 am (#49 of 91)
I need not elaborate. You guys have said it all for me.
Chemyst - May 3, 2008 8:33 pm (#50 of 91)
On the Biggest Surprise in DH thread that closed April 20, how was my answer "Dumbledore's role in that cockamamie Seven Potters Escape Plan" counted? I thought it was a really stupid plan and was shocked that DD had suggested it.
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Chemyst - May 4, 2008 6:14 am (#52 of 91)
OK, that's fine; the 'endangering' part works. I was just thinking more 'stupidity' than 'betrayal' because the final objective - the defeat of Voldemort - remained the same for both DD and the Order. For me, betrayal would occur if DD had wanted Voldemort to succeed or Harry to be captured. That would have indeed been shocking! The foolhardiness of the plan was surprising enough; especially after the chronic warnings for Harry to be careful.
freshwater - May 4, 2008 10:57 am (#53 of 91)
I'm glad you mentioned this...in the future I'll be more careful to post what was actually voted/written-in....I don't want to skew the results by imposing my own interpretation on other's ideas.
Chemyst - May 13, 2008 9:22 pm (#54 of 91)
I found it *interesting* that in the What is the most despicable thing Voldemort did in Deathly Hallows? thread, the top two vote-getters were crimes against Muggles and the murder of a pro-Muggle teacher. Methinks the pureblood wizards must not be able to figure out how Muggle ballots work. What a rout!
freshwater - Jun 9, 2008 2:49 pm (#55 of 91)
I can't believe there is no poll ending today (should have been yesterday)...how did I let that happen?!?!?? **wanders away muttering about dratted computer repairs and back-ordered parts for machines less than 18 months old...**
Since my last day of school is tomorrow, I'll try to get a new poll set up in the next day or so. Please continue to post your idea/suggestions....I had a great idea for a poll the other night just before I fell asleep...but I didn't write it down and now I don't recall what it was. **note to self: send owl to Neville to borrow Rememberall**
geauxtigers - Jun 9, 2008 7:38 pm (#56 of 91)
Wrackspurts gotcha then, Freshwater?
PeskyPixie - Jun 9, 2008 8:12 pm (#57 of 91)
Either that or a Confunding Charm!
freshwater - Jun 11, 2008 3:30 pm (#58 of 91)
Definitely one or the other.... maybe both!
Mrs. Sirius - Jul 7, 2008 8:23 am (#59 of 91)
I found it *interesting* that in the What is the most despicable thing Voldemort did in Deathly Hallows? thread, the top two vote-getters were crimes against Muggles and the murder of a pro-Muggle teacher. Methinks the pureblood wizards must not be able to figure out how Muggle ballots work. What a rout! -Chemyst
I on the hand, find that to be perfectly in keeping with how human view events in the real world. We've grown numb with views of war but fall apart at the picture of injured animals or small children. During Persian Gulf war of the 1990's, of all the horrors committed one during that, the most tear provoking for me was when oil was purposely poured into the gulf. I cried when pictures of animals soaked in oil were shown. In the current crises there are endless pictures of sick or injured children being sent out of the area to seek medical treatment. That being paid for by funds raised by children saving their lunch money or returning cans for recycling, or running car washes.
I think the human mind can be overwhelmed by huge calamities but the small crisis' or the attacks against the obviously weak, helpless or innocent really express the large horror and bring us to action.
Chemyst - Jul 7, 2008 8:49 am (#60 of 91)
Solitaire in the Which Wizarding House Poll ~
I've often wondered where Harry and Ginny lived after Hogwarts. Did they take up residence in 12GP with the new and improved Kreacher? Did they get a place in the same neighborhood as the Weasleys and the Lovegoods? Or did they go somewhere else, like GH or near the sea? And what about Hermione and Ron? Do you think they would stay in the same neighborhood as Molly and Arthur? After everything the Weasleys went through with Percy, and then losing Fred and so many of the extended family, I'm betting Molly will want to keep the remaining Weasleys-including the Potters-as close as possible to the old homestead. Any other ideas?
Actually, as much as Molly would want all her kids around, I can see 'real life happening' such that only Percy and Audrey and their daughters, Molly and Lucy, ( source: A Year in the Life documentary) would truly live close by. Britain is not all that big though, most of her kids seem to find work in London metro-area, and there is always the Floo network; so I think she gets to see the grandkids regularly.
I like to imagine that Harry & Ginny did live at 12GP for a couple years until they began a family of their own. Then I think they'd have looked for something that could offer them either a sheltered field like the Burrow had or a membership at the local Quidditch Club (think Muggle golf course) so their kids could learn to fly. And a place to store the flying motorbike, of course.
Solitaire - Jul 7, 2008 7:34 pm (#61 of 91)
Chemyst, since the thing Harry has missed so greatly all of his life is family, I thought it might be possible that he and Ginny would eventually settle in the general vicinity of the Weasleys.
I can see them taking a few years to establish their marriage away from the in-laws. They were together about 7 years before they had kids-BTW, I wonder how long all of the couples waited before marrying?-given the info in the epilogue. It is 19 years later, and James seems to be 12. Then again, Ginny still had to finish school, and for the first time in his life, Harry could just relax and enjoy his life and love.
Since I am incredibly nosy, I wish Jo would fill in some of those fun details.
geauxtigers - Jul 7, 2008 7:53 pm (#62 of 91)
Soli, I want wedding details as well! LOL I want to know when and where etc. LOL I just want to know everything, so Accio encyclopedia!
freshwater - Jul 8, 2008 12:21 pm (#63 of 91)
I'm with you guys...tell all, JKR! Maybe if we put all our wands together and...Accio, encyclopedia!
PeskyPixie - Jul 8, 2008 1:33 pm (#64 of 91)
I also want to know where Snape's soul went. Dumbledore's "Poor Severus" comment does nothing for me ... then again, maybe I don't want JKR's input on this as she seems to have some sort of vendetta against ol' Sev!
Julia H. - Jul 16, 2008 4:34 pm (#65 of 91)
Yes, Pesky, my wish and my fear exactly!
Solitaire - Jul 16, 2008 8:39 pm (#66 of 91)
I'm sure Snape went "on," Julia. I can't see him hanging around as a ghost. **shivers** Can you imagine him teaching potions, as Binns teaches history? Then again, perhaps he will stay at Hogwarts and haunt bad potions students. hehe
Even though he would meet up with the Marauders beyond the veil-three of them, anyway-he would also see Lily and Dumbledore. That might help a bit. Perhaps they will all be able to reconcile in "the next great adventure" beyond. It would be nice to know they all found some peace at last.
freshwater - Jul 17, 2008 12:10 am (#67 of 91)
You guys should read the fanfic "End of the Line" by shewhoguards (took me the longest time to realize that is 'she who guards'!) on the Simply Undeniable website.
Each chapter shows one of the characters who died during the final battle on a railway platform, waiting for the train to take them on....or they can choose to stay where they are. Having someone come to meet them -or not- is an important part of the plot of each chapter. It's quite well done.
The first chapter begins "Hell was, Snape decided, a crowded railway platform."
Madam Pince - Jul 17, 2008 10:36 am (#68 of 91)
Freshwater, thank you so much for that link! That story is fantastic! I think shewhoguards has got it all over JKR, quite frankly...
I loved the line in the Peter Pettigrew one where the Guard says "I was not the one who bought the ticket." ***chills*** Great fanfic, and I don't even read fanfic.
Julia H. - Jul 17, 2008 11:09 am (#69 of 91)
Solitaire, I am also sure Snape went on. My "fear" is what Pesky describes as JKR's "vendetta" against Snape.
It would be nice to know they all found some peace at last. (Solitaire)
Yes, exactly. After all those tragedies in this life it would be nice to know they found something good in the afterlife. (Snape deserves at least something - I think it is eternal peace - like the Master and Margarita receive at the end of Bulgakov's novel but I think he deserves a more complete redemption as well.)
Freshwater, thanks for the link, I am curious and going to check it out!
PeskyPixie - Jul 17, 2008 11:50 am (#70 of 91)
Yeah, I think Julia understands what I mean. No one can deny that Severus Snape was certainly brave enough in life that he would choose to 'go on' rather than remain behind as a shadow of his former self.
My point was that we have some closure for Sirius, Remus, James, Lily, Dumbledore, and we have an idea of what the younger casualties of this war can expect. However, Snape is a character who does many good things, but he also has a Dark history. I really wanted to get some hint from Dumbledore that Snape is now with him, or that he is waiting for him. Just something. Then again, JKR undeniably has a 'vendetta' against him, so another part of me is glad that his ultimate destination is left up to the imagination!
BTW, thanks for the link, freshwater. I've checked it out and loved it.
Julia H. - Jul 17, 2008 12:02 pm (#71 of 91)
I've checked it out, too, and I loved it as well, just like Pesky! Thanks again, Freshwater!
Madam Pince - Jul 17, 2008 12:26 pm (#72 of 91)
You know, I had a brilliant thought the other day in the shower. I've spent a good deal of time since DH being quite irritated with JKR for not giving us what I'd consider to be "enough" information/closure/whatever in her canon books. I just recently finished a Stephen King book where one of the main characters is a writer dealing with fans. And it started this train of thought where I began having this conversation in my head with JKR (yes, apparently I am bored stiff...) where I was telling her what I thought happens to the characters, and she was telling me "No, you're wrong, actually such-and-such happens..." (sort of like what she said about the proposed Lexicon book in the testimonies a few months ago.) And I triumphantly squelched her by replying "No, in my brain, this is what happens, and I can do that, because you chose not to give us the finish in canon, so I can make it end however I want, thank you very much." It made me feel much better, having "won" that "argument."
Orion - Jul 17, 2008 2:14 pm (#73 of 91)
And you're absolutely right, Madam Pince! She has finished the series and the rest is up to us. Fortunately she has stopped giving her infernal interviews where she nailed down the destinies of various characters which we would have loved to have for ourselves. I hate it if she tramples people's own little fanfics. It takes all the fun out of it.
Solitaire - Jul 17, 2008 3:54 pm (#74 of 91)
I hate it if she tramples people's own little fanfics. It takes all the fun out of it. Unless, of course, she is going to write another REAL book about our magical friends!
freshwater - Jul 17, 2008 6:39 pm (#75 of 91)
I'm so pleased that so many of you checked out the fanfic "End of the Line" and even more pleased that so many of you liked it! After DH was published this story was, IMHO, one of the best post-DH stories to come out.
While it's true that some fanfics are drivel written by starry-eyed teenagers (no offense, but really....) and some is rather good for amateur writing, there is some that is very high quality writing with complex plots and/or insights into character motivation and development. I've enjoyed quite a lot of HP fanfics and would be happy to recommend some of my favorites (again, IMHO) to anyone who e-mails me (click on my avatar).
Solitaire - Jul 17, 2008 10:16 pm (#76 of 91)
Can you post a link to it, freshwater? I'd like to check it out.
journeymom - Jul 18, 2008 1:50 am (#77 of 91)
Freshwater, that was the best fanfic I've read in a while. Thanks for the recommend.
Madam Pince - Jul 18, 2008 7:06 am (#78 of 91)
Orion, I felt quite vindicated by my pretend-conversation until I got childish and finished it with "Nyah. So there." Actually, I still felt vindicated.
Soli, the "link" is in post 67 of this thread. It's really very good!
Anna L. Black - Jul 18, 2008 9:43 am (#79 of 91)
Wow. This fic is absolutely wonderful! I almost got teary eyed.... Thanks, freshwater!
freshwater - Jul 18, 2008 12:53 pm (#80 of 91)
Solitaire, the website is simplyundeniable.com (add [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in the front)....then click on either story title or author and search for "End of the Line" or the author 'shewhoguards'. I'd rather not put a direct link on the forum as some of their stories are 'mature', if you know what I mean....
Solitaire - Jul 18, 2008 9:26 pm (#81 of 91)
Edited Jul 18, 2008 10:03 pm
Yes, I do know what you mean. I'll leave it at that.
EDIT: OMG ... I cried when I read Mischief Managed. I'd hate to think of poor Fred sitting there waiting for George all those years.
Madam Pince - Jul 19, 2008 8:25 pm (#82 of 91)
But it didn't seem like years to him, did it? That's the beauty of it. Except he did have to drink that awful tea. (That bit was funny, with Salazar...)
mona amon - Aug 5, 2008 12:30 am (#83 of 91)
Fortunately she has stopped giving her infernal interviews where she nailed down the destinies of various characters which we would have loved to have for ourselves. I hate it if she tramples people's own little fanfics. It takes all the fun out of it. (Orion)
Does it matter? I mean, leave aside the interview comments, there's this great tragic death of Severus Snape in canon, but in my mind he just lives happily ever after!
BTW, I've never read any fanfic except the 'write your own epilogue for Severus' posts, but I think I'll check out she-who-guards' story when I get time, as you all seem to have liked it so much!
Julia H. - Aug 5, 2008 1:31 am (#84 of 91)
Yes, Mona, read it, definitely. I have not read much fanfiction either but this one is really, really good. I think I will make it a compulsory reading for my children once they have finished DH in the hope that it will comfort them - I am sure they will be sad about all those deaths.
Solitaire - Aug 17, 2008 8:14 pm (#85 of 91)
After discovering all of the things the school movers lost or broke, I have decided that I REALLY need to perform Geminio! (Duplicates the target object?) Hermione used it on the locket so that Umbridge would not realize they had taken the real one.) I am missing some important things that I doubt I will ever recover. **sigh**
Chemyst - Sep 19, 2008 7:57 am (#86 of 91)
Are you planning to tally the Which locations in Hogsmeade would you most like to visit? poll anytime soon? Remember, if you tally it up during daylight my vote goes to the Hogs Head, but if you compile the results after dark it changes to the Three Broomsticks.
freshwater - Sep 19, 2008 5:10 pm (#87 of 91)
Wow, Chemyst, what kind of spell did you cast on that vote to make it change with the available light? It's dusk where I am just now...so I am unsure what to do. I guess I'll come back in an hour -once it's dark- and tally your vote as the Three Broomsticks.
me and my shadow 813 - Aug 26, 2009 10:19 am (#88 of 91)
Looking at old polls, and I gotta gloat
But I wasn't on the money. Someone guessed "whatever Lily's is" but it isn't in any of the posts...?
Any new polls coming up?
me and my shadow 813 - Aug 26, 2009 10:58 am (#89 of 91)
Found it - go Pamzter!
Solitaire - Aug 30, 2009 5:48 pm (#90 of 91)
I thought you meant "a Lily" as in a flower.
me and my shadow 813 - Aug 30, 2009 6:07 pm (#91 of 91)
I did! Pamzter hit the nail on the head. I was the only other person who thought his Patronus would be associated with Lily and his love for her. That's as good as my gloating gets, I'm afraid: second place.
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