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Post  shepherdess on Fri Feb 22, 2013 7:31 pm

Guess we can start speculating and collecting spoilery news bits.
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  shepherdess on Thu Jul 04, 2013 7:35 pm

So Netflix will no longer be streaming Downton Abbey. I was hoping they would show season two (maybe even season 3?  ). But now only PBS and Amazon will have the series.

Does anyone know how the Amazon thing works? Do you have to have an account to watch shows that are being streamed? Do you have to pay for it?
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Post  Solitaire on Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:15 am

I sure don't know how it works, but I bet you have to pay. I mean, don't we have to pay for everything ... and then some? Can you check them out from the library on DVD? Some things can be watched online at pbs.org--I've watched individual episodes of Inspector Lewis and Cranford (a year or so ago)--but I have not looked for Downton Abbey. I'll have to check.

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Post  shepherdess on Thu Jul 11, 2013 8:02 am

Right now pbs only has previews and shorts.   And no, I haven't tried the library. Perhaps I should.
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Post  Solitaire on Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:55 am

On the plus side, DA will probably have another marathon right before the new season. They've done this before. I'll keep an eye out for it.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  Lady Arabella on Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:08 pm

On Sunday, July 21st, at 8:00 p.m., PBS will be showing "The Secrets of Highclere Castle" as part of their current series on English stately homes. The trailer showed the owners talking about the filming of Downton Abbey - should be interesting!!

I think the programming is national - same date and time throughout the U.S. - but not sure. Future episodes will feature Althorp, the home of Lady Diana Spencer before she was "Princess Di," and Hampton Court, the home of Henry VIII.

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Post  Solitaire on Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:10 pm

Secrets of Highclere Castle has been on before, I think. It sounds very familiar.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  Mrs. Sirius on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:21 am

The new season premiered last week. Has anyone head anything yet?

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  HungarianHorntail11 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:28 pm

Soooo, can we discuss Season 4 and post spoilers?
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  shepherdess on Wed Oct 23, 2013 7:46 pm

I think it's fine to discuss season 4, and I'm looking forward to news and opinions. Might still want to put spoilery stuff in spoiler boxes.  
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  Lady Arabella on Mon Jan 06, 2014 5:35 pm

I don't think any of this needs a spoiler box, but just in case . . .

Spoiler:

Overall, I enjoyed the episode. I liked the way Mary's frozen limbo of grief was handled. It seemed authentic. And I liked Branson's character better in this episode than in any of last season's. I hope he and Mary can be the voice of the future for Downton. The Earl's attitude was annoying, but I suppose most men of that era though women incapable of running an estate.

In Season 1, wasn't Charlie Grigg a petty thief who blackmailed Carson into helping him? And then he told the Earl about Carson's "embarrassing" past on the stage? I could understand why Carson didn't want to re-connect with him, so last night's maudlin scene at the train station left me cold.

I'm really tired of Cora being so gullible and such a bad judge of character. Actually my first thought, when O'Brien's absence was discovered, was, "does she really even need a maid? Can't she dress herself by this point?" It was tiresome that she would believe Edna and Tom, and think ill of Anna, who has done such exemplary work at Downton for so many years. And a little strange that the Earl would pass a reprimand through Bates - you would think the husbands would stay out of it.

Someone needs to be paying more attention to Rose . . .
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  shepherdess on Tue Jan 14, 2014 9:39 pm

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Lady Arabella wrote:And I liked Branson's character better in this episode than in any of last season's.

I agree, but I think he slipped a little bit in the second episode. And now Edna is back and that's bad news for Tom.

You're right about Charlie Grigg; but I think the train station scene had to be done so that Carson could put Alice out of his mind and clear the way for him to have a relationship in the future (perhaps with Mrs. Hughes, who already put her past love behind her in another episode).

While I'm glad Nanny West is gone, I'm also tired of Cora being manipulated by the likes of O'Brien/Thomas/Edna. How many times does Thomas have to deceive various members of the Crawley family before they figure it out? And now that Thomas and Edna have conspired against Anna, what is Mr. Bates going to have to do to put them in their places? Worse yet, What's he going to do when he finds out about Mr. Green raping Anna? It was so sad to see Anna step away from Mr. Bates when he reached out to her, and to hear her lie to him about why.


Lady Arabella wrote:Someone needs to be paying more attention to Rose . . .

I agree.
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  Lady Arabella on Tue Jan 14, 2014 10:23 pm

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Lady Arabella wrote:And I liked Branson's character better in this episode than in any of last season's.

I agree, but I think he slipped a little bit in the second episode. And now Edna is back and that's bad news for Tom.

Indeed he did slip back - Last night I kept thinking he was an idiot.  After Carson & Mrs. Hughes got together with him to tell him to watch his step, he forgot all about their advice and opened himself up to Edna's machinations worse than last year.  And it never seems to occur to him that Sibyl was just as much an alien in his world as he is in hers, but she accepted her new world with courage.  Tom is back to wallowing in self-pity.  I wonder if Edna will "trap" him into marriage?  I doubt the family would allow his daughter to be raised by Edna, and would Tom really want that?  Fie on him for a fool!

I really felt for poor Anna - but the writers seem to have made her their whipping boy, or whipping girl in this case.  How much more does that poor woman have to endure?  And if Lady Mary likes the Gillingham person (forgot his name), his valet will be back at Downton frequently.  What will Anna do then?

And for all the fuss about whether the famous singer was "suitable" to sit at table with the family or not, it seemed the writers forgot to ask real singers.  Most of them don't eat or drink before a performance so they don't get mucus, etc., in their vocal chords.  They eat afterwards.  (Of course, when hiring the singer, the family should have asked the singer's requirements.)  It would have been more realistic to have a little reception after the performance for the guests to meet the singer, rather than having her at dinner.  We really haven't seen the family have much to do with artistic culture, have we - - they've mostly been on the estate, and went up to Scotland, but we haven't seen them in London for the season, where, one assumes, they would frequent the opera, ballet, theatre, symphony . . . .  Certainly in regards to Nellie Melba, they came across as quite provincial.  (On re-reading this, I sound like a snob   )

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  shepherdess on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:46 pm

I found the conversation between Mary, Tom and Isobel, about how they knew when they were in love, interesting in light of previous discussions here about Mary's attire during Matthew's proposal. It was sort of like someone connected with the show had been reading here. Not likely; but still interesting that they had Mary explain why she was wearing that sleeveless dress when it was snowing.

Edit: It was Isobel, not Violet.
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  shepherdess on Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:35 pm

Bates knows! affraid 

That means he also knows Anna and Mrs. Hughes lied to him.    That could cause as much trouble for his marriage as the rape. It might have been better for them if he had gone to America with Robert.  

Oh, dear; Edith... And Rose... Are the writers/producers going out of their way to throw in every conceivable thing that was tabboo at the time? (We've already covered homosexuality and class/status prejudices; now rape, black/white relationships and out-of-wedlock babies.)

So Mary has discarded her black (mourning) clothes and started wearing grey/silver and dark purple/red. Not black, but still dark. I guess this symbolizes that she's no longer actively mourning Matthew and realizes she has to get on with her life, but she hasn't put him behind her far enough to replace him yet. So I'll be watching for her to start wearing lighter/brighter colors (though I really like the pruples and dark reds  ).

Have I missed something? Who is Baxter and what hold does Thomas have over her? He got the job for her, didn't he? But there's more than that...?

Was there really only one hair style for women during that time period? Seems that way, judging by the show.  
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  Mrs. Sirius on Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:19 pm

Shepardess, glad you feel the same about Baxter. I remember her introduction, but some how I missed Thomas' hold on her. I am glad though that she may have found an ally.

The Bates-Anna storyline is getting really scary.

Rose seems to have found a gentleman, and a nice way out of that story thread. I don't believe that there were too many of those relationships until after WWII.

Mary's character is maturing nicely.

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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  shepherdess on Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:29 pm

Baxter seems sincerely happy to be lady's maid to the countess. I think she'd like to keep this job. Thomas is putting her in danger of losing it by expecting her to spy for him. She doesn't seem to like being put in this position, but also seems obligated to tell him what's going on . I'd still like to know what he's using to pressure her with. And what will Thomas do about her allying herself with Molesly? Actually, James doesn't seem to happy about that alliance either.

I can't remember why Rose hates her mother so much to be willing to risk ruining her own future for revenge? It's too bad the singer didn't break it off before Mary visited him. Now Rose is going to resent Mary for making it happen when it would have anyway.

So, do you guys think Bates killed Mr. Green? On the one hand, he has proven himself in the past to be an honorable man and it's hard for me to believe he'd go that far for revenge. On the other hand, he was very angry and he deliberately went to York. And he felt guilty for not preventing the attack. He might have felt he could at least carry out justice and eliminate further discomfort for Anna.

But I think he's also angry with Anna for lying to him. I was a little uncomfortable with the way he reminded her of how much she had liked Mr. Green when he first arrived. To me it was as if he was trying to hurt her because she had hurt him by lying instead of telling him it was Mr. Green in the first place. Or maybe it was just his way of letting her know that he knows. But I'm sure he wanted to know what her reaction would be --perhaps hoping that she would finally be honest with him?
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Re: Downton Abbey: Season 4

Post  Lady Arabella on Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:13 pm

I missed a few episodes and need to catch up . . . but does Lady Edith have a maid? Surely she does, if Mary and Cora each have their own. Wouldn't her maid have noticed her condition? Is anything known about Michael other than that he is missing?

I rather liked the practical pig man for Mary, rather than Tony (can't remember his name).

I think Bates went to Yorkshire to threaten Mr. Green. I don't think Bates would be a match for Mr. Green in any physical confrontation, and have a hard time believing he would kill Mr. Green . . . but he seems to be keeping secrets from Anna, just as she kept secrets from him.

I don't really like the teacher who seems to have her eye on Tom - she reminds me too much of Edna.
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