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Elanor Sat May 21, 2011 2:44 am
Ron's Predictions
haymoni - Sep 14, 2006 9:58 am
Edited by Kip Carter Aug 30, 2007 5:20 am
We have commented on numerous occasions here on the Forum that what Ron says jokingly often seems to be true.
I do not believe that there is a comprehensive listing of such statements.
Anyone care to share?
This topic serves as an archive of a thread from the Harry Potter Lexicon Forum as hosted on World Crossing which ceased operation on April 15, 2011. Elanor
haymoni - Sep 14, 2006 9:58 am
Edited by Kip Carter Aug 30, 2007 5:20 am
We have commented on numerous occasions here on the Forum that what Ron says jokingly often seems to be true.
I do not believe that there is a comprehensive listing of such statements.
Anyone care to share?
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Nathan Zimmermann - Sep 14, 2006 10:46 am (#1 of 107)
In Half-Blood Prince chapter eleven Ron jokes that McLaggen was confunded ant which point Hermione turend pink.
"I was better than McLaggen anyway," said Ron in highly satisffied voiice. "Did you see him lumbering off in the wrong direction on his fifth? Looked like he'd Confounded . . . ." To Harry's surprise, Hermione turned a very deep shade of pink at these words.(HBP Large Print Edition page 295).
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journeymom - Sep 14, 2006 12:56 pm (#2 of 107)
From the other thread:
"I wish I knew why some did try to chuck it, [the Diary]" said Harry. "I wouldn't mind knowing how Riddle got an award for special services to Hogwarts either."
"Could've been anything," said Ron. "Maybe he got thirty OWL's or saved a teacher from the giant squid. Maybe he murdered Myrtle; that would've done everyone a favor...."
Gotta be thorough! =D
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Steve Newton - Sep 14, 2006 1:20 pm (#3 of 107)
Librarian
Rudely stolen from the Lexicon's Ron quotes.
"You should write a book," Ron told Hermione as he cut up his potatoes, "translating mad things girls do so boys can understand them." (OP26) I know, not exactly a prediction.
"And from now on, I don't care if my tea leaves spell out die, Ron, die -- I'm just chucking them in the bin where they belong." (OP31) That could be grim.
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legolas returns - Sep 14, 2006 3:09 pm (#4 of 107)
The acorn in Harrys tea leaves suggested a windfall. Was this for winning the triwizard tournament or from the death of Sirius (Harry inherited some gold)?
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Finn BV - Sep 14, 2006 5:52 pm (#5 of 107)
Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
Good observations, all, I never noticed the one about murdering Myrtle! You can imagine JKR at work, throwing in a little line, chuckling at our innocence…
Afraid I don't have much concrete information to add, but I'm now on the lookout for these "predictions"… he and Trelawney might have a bit in common too. (Something else to ponder.)
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Laura W - Sep 15, 2006 6:07 am (#6 of 107)
Well, Ron was sort of right when he said, after the first task, ... GoF, Chapter 21, p.317, Raincoast: "You know what? I reckon you could win this Tournament, Harry, I'm serious."
Laura
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Liz Mann - Sep 15, 2006 7:44 am (#7 of 107)
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Are we actually debating these here, or just listing them?
I think 'predictions' is the wrong word. Ron has not shown any signs of being a Seer, because we have seen through Trelawney the nature of a Seer's predictions. Ron simply makes jokes that sometimes come true. If he had actually 'seen' them he wouldn't be saying them in passing in a joking or sarcastic manner. They wouldn't simply fall into his head as an idea that he then blurts out. If J.K. is doing this 'what Ron jokes happens' thing on purpose, I think she's probably just using it as some kind of ironic forshadowing. I don't think it's based on any kind of skill, talent or magic that Ron has.
So the thing about murdering Murtle and 'Die, Ron, Die' might perhaps have been deliberate on Jo's part (though I hope not in relation to the second), but do not mean that Ron 'predicted' them.
With McClaggan, I don't think somehow that that was a prediction of any nature - it's simply an observation. Ron knows enough of magic to recognise when someone is confunded.
With the tea leaves, I don't think you actually have to be a Seer to be able to read tea leaves. You just need to be able to identify something and check it against a book. Muggles can read tea leaves. Anyone on this forum could go out and learn them. It's the cup that's meant to be magical, not the person reading it.
And as for Harry winning the tournament, that could have been said by anyone who had seen his performances in the first tasks. And anyway, technically he didn't win, he drew with Cedric.
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haymoni - Sep 15, 2006 7:55 am (#8 of 107)
Call 'em whatever you want.
I was picturing this thread as being a list of quotes.
Why not have another reason to re-read the series???
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haymoni - Sep 15, 2006 11:10 am (#9 of 107)
Too late to edit:
In GOF, when Harry first arrives at the Burrow, he goes upstairs with Ron, Hermione & Ginny to avoid the row going on downstairs.
"Oh, hello, Harry," said Percy. "I was wondering who was making all the noise....it's rather difficult to concentrate when people keep thundering up & down the stairs."
"We're not thundering," said Ron irritably. "We're walking. Sorry if we've disturbed the top-secret workings of the Ministry of Magic."
Considering all 4 of them were at the MOM battle, I'd say they certainly disturbed something!
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Regan of Gong - Sep 15, 2006 5:39 pm (#10 of 107)
Self declared doctor of everything.
Good observation. I'd never noticed that particlar one before. Normally his "predictions" only relate to the book they're in.
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Laura W - Sep 16, 2006 12:13 am (#11 of 107)
"And as for Harry winning the tournament, that could have been said by anyone who had seen his performances in the first tasks. And anyway, technically he didn't win, he drew with Cedric."
Yeah, that's why I wrote "sort of right," Liz.
Fact is, though, nobody else *did* say it; Ron did. Jo had Ron make this comment - as she has Ron say a number of things over the series that seem ridiculous or funny at the time, but turn out to actually happen (in full or in part).
Laura
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Elanor - Sep 16, 2006 8:15 am (#12 of 107)
Laura: "she has Ron say a number of things over the series that seem ridiculous or funny at the time, but turn out to actually happen (in full or in part)."
This is why Ron saying "Mum, d'you honestly think You-Know-Who's going to be hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts?" and then "Blimey... you can't even make a joke round here any more..." in the HBP (p.107, US paperback) gives me some goosebumps when reading it...
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legolas returns - Sep 16, 2006 8:32 am (#13 of 107)
Do you think Voldemort will be buying "Unfogging the future"? Hee hee hee. I wonder if there will be any Grims in the crystal ball.
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M A Grimmett - Sep 16, 2006 3:37 pm (#14 of 107)
I can just see Volemort perusing "What To do When You Know the Worst is Coming."
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Elanor - Sep 16, 2006 11:48 pm (#15 of 107)
LOL! Or "The Scarred Fate of a Soul-less Snake"
More seriously, Voldemort has already hidden part of his soul inside a book - the diary - and I din't think JKR will use that idea again but what if what Voldemort was searching at Hogwarts when he came to ask for a job as a teacher was hidden in the Hogwarts library or something of that kind?
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legolas returns - Sep 17, 2006 4:01 am (#16 of 107)
Thats what I thought. The room of requirement is on the 7th floor and so is the entrance to Dubledores office-at least in HBP.
Back to Rons predictions-lucky guesses or is he the next Trelawney ?
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Phelim Mcintyre - Sep 17, 2006 8:37 am (#17 of 107)
Harry did one similar in Prisioner of Azkaban. During his divination exam he "saw" Buckbeak fly away safely. Trelawney was disappointed that Harry did see something more gruesome. Was this because of the time-turner having an effect we don't know about, being around Trelawney or what? Yes I know this isn't to do with Ron's predictions but could there be an intuition going on in Ron that niether he or us recognise?
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zelmia - Sep 17, 2006 9:59 am (#18 of 107)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Way back in PS/SS, Ron sees himself in the Mirror of Erised as both Head Boy and Quidditch Captain. He is halfway to being both - or either - as both Prefect and a member of the Gryffindor House Quidditch Team.
Should Harry indeed refuse to return to Hogwarts (or if Harry does come back to school, he may not have any interest in Quidditch, having more important things on his mind), it is possible that McGonagall (or whoever is going to be Head of Gryffindor House - Hagrid, maybe?) will give Ron the captaincy of the House team. Although she may give it to Ginny since Ginny is technically the senior member of the team, have been on the team a year longer than Ron.
At any rate, though not a "prediction" per se, there is still a chance that this vision may come to pass.
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Finn BV - Sep 17, 2006 3:31 pm (#19 of 107)
Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
I like that idea, zelmia, except it seems like the most obvious "prediction," if you ask me. Not trying to downplay your thought, but, if any casual reader picked up on just one of these, it would be what Ron saw in the Mirror of Erised, not his passing remarks. I think that would be JKR trying too hard to have Ron get his wishes – though I think she cleverly put in his "halfway" achievements as a littler nod to that.
I couldn't see Ron as Head Boy anyway. I think that's not going to be important – while Hermione will most likely get it, I would guess somebody boring for Head Boy (like Ernie Macmillan), unless it's Neville.
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Hoot Owl - Sep 17, 2006 5:48 pm (#20 of 107)
Teacher
Small point, zelmia. Ron was already the Gryffindor keeper when Ginny replaced Harry as seeker. Harry and the twins were banned after the Draco insulted thier mothers.
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journeymom - Sep 18, 2006 1:47 am (#21 of 107)
I don't think Ron is seeing or predicting anything. Ron is simply responding and conversing with people like any other person is. I think it's simply a funny thing that JKR the writer is doing, if she truly is having Ron tell the future inadvertently. I predict nothing of major importance will come of his predictions.
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haymoni - Sep 18, 2006 4:45 am (#22 of 107)
Part of the reason I started this thread was because so many folks on the Forum have commented about Ron's "predictions", but I had never seen any sort of list to confirm or deny those comments.
So far we have what? 2 of them?
Any more?
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haymoni - Sep 18, 2006 10:14 am (#23 of 107)
GOF, "Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes" - Once they get to Ron's room:
"Percy's enjoying work, then?" said Harry....
"Enjoying it?" said Ron darkly. "I don't reckon he'd come home if Dad didn't make him. He's obsessed...."
Percy DID become so obessed that he chose work over home.
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zelmia - Sep 18, 2006 1:17 pm (#24 of 107)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Oh, right. I had forgotten that Ron was already on the team when Ginny replaced Harry. Well, that sets Ron up even better to be Captain, then - always assuming, of course that Harry doesn't come back to school/the team.
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haymoni - Sep 20, 2006 12:39 pm (#25 of 107)
In GOF (Can you tell that's the only book I have at work???) "The Unforgiveable Curses"
The evening after Moody's class, Ron & Harry are doing their Divination homework.
Ron says to Harry, "Why don't you get stabbed in the back by someone you thought was a friend?"
..."And on Wednesday, I think I'll come off worst in a fight."
Certainly Ron stabbed Harry in the back when he did not believe him about the Cup and I think he came off worse in their argument, as he was wrong about Harry and had to come and apologize after the dragon task.
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 20, 2006 7:18 pm (#26 of 107)
Good one Haymoni! Ron certainly did get the worst of it being that Harry threw the "Potter Stinks!" badge at him,hitting him on the forehead.
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painting sheila - Sep 20, 2006 9:13 pm (#27 of 107)
Doing one of the things I love best . . .
I have high hopes for this one:
PoA, "If he (Malfoy) makes one more crack about my family, I'm going to get a hold of his head and -. Ron made a violent gesture in midair."
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darien - Sep 21, 2006 4:20 am (#28 of 107)
Doctor in the many arts of wasting one's time
Elanor's post 12 says: ...Ron saying: "Mum, d'you honestly think You-Know-Who's going to be hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts?" and then "Blimey... you can't even make a joke round here any more..." in the HBP (p.107, US paperback) gives me some goosebumps when reading it...
later in that book we discover that part of Voldemorts soul was in the diary that was "hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts" in the hands of Lucius before being passed to Ginny.
(Although this happened actually before Ron said it, we discovered it after. Does it count? )
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haymoni - Sep 21, 2006 7:03 am (#29 of 107)
I think it counts - that's creepy!
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Steve Newton - Sep 21, 2006 7:05 am (#30 of 107)
Librarian
I hadn't picked that one up. Good going, darien.
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haymoni - Sep 22, 2006 11:18 am (#31 of 107)
In GOF - "Beauxbatons & Durmstrang" - after the notice goes up that the 2 schools will be arriving a week later, Ernie wonders if Cedric knows.
"That idiot, Hogwarts champion?" said Ron...
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 22, 2006 1:25 pm (#32 of 107)
I don't see any of these as true predictions. Sorry, but I'm not quite understanding this. Especially given the low opinon most of the wizarding world and Jo herself have of predicitons. Trelawney is the only one we know that has made real predictions, and she's portrayed as a buffoon, and Jo had Dumbledore say predictions only matter if you take them seriously. I'm paraphrasing of course, but I hope you know what I mean.
I'm just trying to understand this better. We could probably go through every comment every character has ever made and come up with some we could attribute as predictions to other people than Ron. Why just do this for him? I just don't see him as a seer. If anyone would make a good seer, I think it would be Luna. But Ron is too single minded and unimaginative, as I see him.
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Steve Newton - Sep 22, 2006 1:43 pm (#33 of 107)
Librarian
I guess that I'll have to do a reread to pick up some of these. I have noted a couple while reading but, big surprise, I don't remember where.
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haymoni - Sep 22, 2006 1:44 pm (#34 of 107)
In no way, shape or form do I think that Ron is a Seer.
"Irony" is probably a better word for the things he says.
I need something to do before Book 7 comes out - might as well be this!
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far from prefect - Sep 22, 2006 2:41 pm (#35 of 107)
I think what we are commenting on is foreshadowing. An author will use a character or a situation to give a preview of something that will happen in the future. Then, when the event does happen, there is a resonance with the reader that gives the event a greater importance.
It is easy to call it predicting when we are discussing a world where seers make prophesies. And, it's kind of fun to look through the books and say, Aha! She set us up there! I know that I am enjoying it.
ffp
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legolas returns - Sep 22, 2006 2:44 pm (#36 of 107)
Is there anything that Ron has said that could forshadow anything in book 7?
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journeymom - Sep 22, 2006 2:49 pm (#37 of 107)
I believe Dumbledore was referring to prophesies, not predictions. The difference is important. Ordinary, everyday people like financial planners and scientists make predictions.
But Die Zim, I agree with the gist of what you're saying. Some of the examples given here so far are stretching to fit the category. However, some people have suggested that Ron occasionally spouts off something unlikely that coincidentally turns out to be true. I'd like to know if that's so, and this is the place to share examples of Ron's- comments. To see if there really is a pattern.
Haymoni, I like the term 'irony' in this instance.
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aggieamy - Sep 22, 2006 8:20 pm (#38 of 107)
I agree with the people that think Ron's "predictions" aren't really predictions but fun ironies. It's interesting that this only happens with Ron. I don't think we've heard Hermoine or Harry "predict" anything to date the way we have with Ron. I know that if I'm wrong I'll have a million posts with quotes by the time I log on in the morning to prove me wrong. I *heart* the Lexicon.
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journeymom - Sep 22, 2006 10:25 pm (#39 of 107)
"It's like raaaiiin on your wedding day, It's a free ride when you've already paid, It's the good advice that you just didn't take, Who would've thought...it figures."
Except wasn't there some disagreement about whether these were correct examples of irony? Ah, well.
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legolas returns - Sep 23, 2006 1:06 am (#40 of 107)
I dont need a dictionary to tell you that rain on your wedding day is bad luck/annoying/upsetting and nothing to do with being ironic and neither have any words in the song got anything to do with irony.
The dictionary defintion -a means of expression which suggests a different, usually humorous or angry, meaning for the words used:
That definition sounds quite close to sarcasm if you ask me. But what do I know
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 23, 2006 10:18 am (#41 of 107)
Okay, thank you. Now I understand better. I didn't see Ron as predicting. If someone wants to take some of his comments as foreshadowing, that I understand. But you can do that with anyone, of course, and it's tricky knowing which comments are real foreshadowing and which ones are not.
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Steve Newton - Sep 23, 2006 12:20 pm (#42 of 107)
Librarian
I think that we need a fairly comprehensive list before we can say anything with authority. I don't have one and it will take me quite a while to come up with one.
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haymoni - Sep 23, 2006 1:08 pm (#43 of 107)
Hence the thread.
I had heard people make the comments, but nobody could ever really point to anything.
Come search with me!
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 24, 2006 9:11 am (#44 of 107)
What about Ron suspecting that Snape was opening Harry's mind instead of closing it with the occlumency lessons?.Of course I'm one of the very few that isn't totally convinced that Snape is on the side of good.
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Choices - Sep 24, 2006 10:39 am (#45 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
If I remember correctly, Ron says that seriously, so he is probably wrong. If he had said it in jest, he might be right.
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haymoni - Sep 25, 2006 10:05 am (#46 of 107)
In GOF, after Harry's name comes out of the Goblet and he finally gets back to his dormitory after the common room celebration, Ron is sitting there and starts in on him.
"You want to get to bed, Harry. I expect you'll need to be up early for a photo-call or something."
Harry didn't have to get up early, but he did have the photo shoot with Riat the next day.
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 25, 2006 6:49 pm (#47 of 107)
Good one,Haymoni. So,what about in OoP when Ron says "we have about as much a chance at winning the house cup as dad has becoming the Minister of Magic?" Do you think there is a chance that we will find out that Arthur will become MoM in the epilogue?
That's true,Choices.He was serious.
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 25, 2006 9:34 pm (#48 of 107)
I hope that Ron's statement about Arthur is not a prediciton. Arthur would make a terrible MoM in my opinion. He's too easy going, laid back and doesn't like confrontations. The MoM has to do a lot of things he doesn't want to do. Arthur wouldn't be the best person for that job as I see him. Didn't Jo said he would not be, or was that only referring to the next book after the comment?
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Laura W - Sep 26, 2006 1:08 am (#49 of 107)
From Jo's website:
"Will Arthur Weasley be the new Minister for Magic?
Alas, no."
Guess that answers that. (grin)
(Of course, Trelawny predicted Harry would be Minister for Magic.) Laura
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Steve Newton - Sep 26, 2006 5:48 am (#50 of 107)
Librarian
Actually, it doesn't answer that. I would guess that there is going to be another Minister after Scrimgeour and this comment does not rule that out as being Arthur.
In Half-Blood Prince chapter eleven Ron jokes that McLaggen was confunded ant which point Hermione turend pink.
"I was better than McLaggen anyway," said Ron in highly satisffied voiice. "Did you see him lumbering off in the wrong direction on his fifth? Looked like he'd Confounded . . . ." To Harry's surprise, Hermione turned a very deep shade of pink at these words.(HBP Large Print Edition page 295).
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journeymom - Sep 14, 2006 12:56 pm (#2 of 107)
From the other thread:
"I wish I knew why some did try to chuck it, [the Diary]" said Harry. "I wouldn't mind knowing how Riddle got an award for special services to Hogwarts either."
"Could've been anything," said Ron. "Maybe he got thirty OWL's or saved a teacher from the giant squid. Maybe he murdered Myrtle; that would've done everyone a favor...."
Gotta be thorough! =D
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Steve Newton - Sep 14, 2006 1:20 pm (#3 of 107)
Librarian
Rudely stolen from the Lexicon's Ron quotes.
"You should write a book," Ron told Hermione as he cut up his potatoes, "translating mad things girls do so boys can understand them." (OP26) I know, not exactly a prediction.
"And from now on, I don't care if my tea leaves spell out die, Ron, die -- I'm just chucking them in the bin where they belong." (OP31) That could be grim.
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legolas returns - Sep 14, 2006 3:09 pm (#4 of 107)
The acorn in Harrys tea leaves suggested a windfall. Was this for winning the triwizard tournament or from the death of Sirius (Harry inherited some gold)?
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Finn BV - Sep 14, 2006 5:52 pm (#5 of 107)
Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
Good observations, all, I never noticed the one about murdering Myrtle! You can imagine JKR at work, throwing in a little line, chuckling at our innocence…
Afraid I don't have much concrete information to add, but I'm now on the lookout for these "predictions"… he and Trelawney might have a bit in common too. (Something else to ponder.)
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Laura W - Sep 15, 2006 6:07 am (#6 of 107)
Well, Ron was sort of right when he said, after the first task, ... GoF, Chapter 21, p.317, Raincoast: "You know what? I reckon you could win this Tournament, Harry, I'm serious."
Laura
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Liz Mann - Sep 15, 2006 7:44 am (#7 of 107)
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Are we actually debating these here, or just listing them?
I think 'predictions' is the wrong word. Ron has not shown any signs of being a Seer, because we have seen through Trelawney the nature of a Seer's predictions. Ron simply makes jokes that sometimes come true. If he had actually 'seen' them he wouldn't be saying them in passing in a joking or sarcastic manner. They wouldn't simply fall into his head as an idea that he then blurts out. If J.K. is doing this 'what Ron jokes happens' thing on purpose, I think she's probably just using it as some kind of ironic forshadowing. I don't think it's based on any kind of skill, talent or magic that Ron has.
So the thing about murdering Murtle and 'Die, Ron, Die' might perhaps have been deliberate on Jo's part (though I hope not in relation to the second), but do not mean that Ron 'predicted' them.
With McClaggan, I don't think somehow that that was a prediction of any nature - it's simply an observation. Ron knows enough of magic to recognise when someone is confunded.
With the tea leaves, I don't think you actually have to be a Seer to be able to read tea leaves. You just need to be able to identify something and check it against a book. Muggles can read tea leaves. Anyone on this forum could go out and learn them. It's the cup that's meant to be magical, not the person reading it.
And as for Harry winning the tournament, that could have been said by anyone who had seen his performances in the first tasks. And anyway, technically he didn't win, he drew with Cedric.
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haymoni - Sep 15, 2006 7:55 am (#8 of 107)
Call 'em whatever you want.
I was picturing this thread as being a list of quotes.
Why not have another reason to re-read the series???
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haymoni - Sep 15, 2006 11:10 am (#9 of 107)
Too late to edit:
In GOF, when Harry first arrives at the Burrow, he goes upstairs with Ron, Hermione & Ginny to avoid the row going on downstairs.
"Oh, hello, Harry," said Percy. "I was wondering who was making all the noise....it's rather difficult to concentrate when people keep thundering up & down the stairs."
"We're not thundering," said Ron irritably. "We're walking. Sorry if we've disturbed the top-secret workings of the Ministry of Magic."
Considering all 4 of them were at the MOM battle, I'd say they certainly disturbed something!
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Regan of Gong - Sep 15, 2006 5:39 pm (#10 of 107)
Self declared doctor of everything.
Good observation. I'd never noticed that particlar one before. Normally his "predictions" only relate to the book they're in.
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Laura W - Sep 16, 2006 12:13 am (#11 of 107)
"And as for Harry winning the tournament, that could have been said by anyone who had seen his performances in the first tasks. And anyway, technically he didn't win, he drew with Cedric."
Yeah, that's why I wrote "sort of right," Liz.
Fact is, though, nobody else *did* say it; Ron did. Jo had Ron make this comment - as she has Ron say a number of things over the series that seem ridiculous or funny at the time, but turn out to actually happen (in full or in part).
Laura
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Elanor - Sep 16, 2006 8:15 am (#12 of 107)
Laura: "she has Ron say a number of things over the series that seem ridiculous or funny at the time, but turn out to actually happen (in full or in part)."
This is why Ron saying "Mum, d'you honestly think You-Know-Who's going to be hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts?" and then "Blimey... you can't even make a joke round here any more..." in the HBP (p.107, US paperback) gives me some goosebumps when reading it...
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legolas returns - Sep 16, 2006 8:32 am (#13 of 107)
Do you think Voldemort will be buying "Unfogging the future"? Hee hee hee. I wonder if there will be any Grims in the crystal ball.
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M A Grimmett - Sep 16, 2006 3:37 pm (#14 of 107)
I can just see Volemort perusing "What To do When You Know the Worst is Coming."
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Elanor - Sep 16, 2006 11:48 pm (#15 of 107)
LOL! Or "The Scarred Fate of a Soul-less Snake"
More seriously, Voldemort has already hidden part of his soul inside a book - the diary - and I din't think JKR will use that idea again but what if what Voldemort was searching at Hogwarts when he came to ask for a job as a teacher was hidden in the Hogwarts library or something of that kind?
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legolas returns - Sep 17, 2006 4:01 am (#16 of 107)
Thats what I thought. The room of requirement is on the 7th floor and so is the entrance to Dubledores office-at least in HBP.
Back to Rons predictions-lucky guesses or is he the next Trelawney ?
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Phelim Mcintyre - Sep 17, 2006 8:37 am (#17 of 107)
Harry did one similar in Prisioner of Azkaban. During his divination exam he "saw" Buckbeak fly away safely. Trelawney was disappointed that Harry did see something more gruesome. Was this because of the time-turner having an effect we don't know about, being around Trelawney or what? Yes I know this isn't to do with Ron's predictions but could there be an intuition going on in Ron that niether he or us recognise?
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zelmia - Sep 17, 2006 9:59 am (#18 of 107)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Way back in PS/SS, Ron sees himself in the Mirror of Erised as both Head Boy and Quidditch Captain. He is halfway to being both - or either - as both Prefect and a member of the Gryffindor House Quidditch Team.
Should Harry indeed refuse to return to Hogwarts (or if Harry does come back to school, he may not have any interest in Quidditch, having more important things on his mind), it is possible that McGonagall (or whoever is going to be Head of Gryffindor House - Hagrid, maybe?) will give Ron the captaincy of the House team. Although she may give it to Ginny since Ginny is technically the senior member of the team, have been on the team a year longer than Ron.
At any rate, though not a "prediction" per se, there is still a chance that this vision may come to pass.
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Finn BV - Sep 17, 2006 3:31 pm (#19 of 107)
Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
I like that idea, zelmia, except it seems like the most obvious "prediction," if you ask me. Not trying to downplay your thought, but, if any casual reader picked up on just one of these, it would be what Ron saw in the Mirror of Erised, not his passing remarks. I think that would be JKR trying too hard to have Ron get his wishes – though I think she cleverly put in his "halfway" achievements as a littler nod to that.
I couldn't see Ron as Head Boy anyway. I think that's not going to be important – while Hermione will most likely get it, I would guess somebody boring for Head Boy (like Ernie Macmillan), unless it's Neville.
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Hoot Owl - Sep 17, 2006 5:48 pm (#20 of 107)
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Small point, zelmia. Ron was already the Gryffindor keeper when Ginny replaced Harry as seeker. Harry and the twins were banned after the Draco insulted thier mothers.
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journeymom - Sep 18, 2006 1:47 am (#21 of 107)
I don't think Ron is seeing or predicting anything. Ron is simply responding and conversing with people like any other person is. I think it's simply a funny thing that JKR the writer is doing, if she truly is having Ron tell the future inadvertently. I predict nothing of major importance will come of his predictions.
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haymoni - Sep 18, 2006 4:45 am (#22 of 107)
Part of the reason I started this thread was because so many folks on the Forum have commented about Ron's "predictions", but I had never seen any sort of list to confirm or deny those comments.
So far we have what? 2 of them?
Any more?
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haymoni - Sep 18, 2006 10:14 am (#23 of 107)
GOF, "Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes" - Once they get to Ron's room:
"Percy's enjoying work, then?" said Harry....
"Enjoying it?" said Ron darkly. "I don't reckon he'd come home if Dad didn't make him. He's obsessed...."
Percy DID become so obessed that he chose work over home.
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zelmia - Sep 18, 2006 1:17 pm (#24 of 107)
Oh! And that's a bad miss!
Oh, right. I had forgotten that Ron was already on the team when Ginny replaced Harry. Well, that sets Ron up even better to be Captain, then - always assuming, of course that Harry doesn't come back to school/the team.
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haymoni - Sep 20, 2006 12:39 pm (#25 of 107)
In GOF (Can you tell that's the only book I have at work???) "The Unforgiveable Curses"
The evening after Moody's class, Ron & Harry are doing their Divination homework.
Ron says to Harry, "Why don't you get stabbed in the back by someone you thought was a friend?"
..."And on Wednesday, I think I'll come off worst in a fight."
Certainly Ron stabbed Harry in the back when he did not believe him about the Cup and I think he came off worse in their argument, as he was wrong about Harry and had to come and apologize after the dragon task.
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 20, 2006 7:18 pm (#26 of 107)
Good one Haymoni! Ron certainly did get the worst of it being that Harry threw the "Potter Stinks!" badge at him,hitting him on the forehead.
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painting sheila - Sep 20, 2006 9:13 pm (#27 of 107)
Doing one of the things I love best . . .
I have high hopes for this one:
PoA, "If he (Malfoy) makes one more crack about my family, I'm going to get a hold of his head and -. Ron made a violent gesture in midair."
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darien - Sep 21, 2006 4:20 am (#28 of 107)
Doctor in the many arts of wasting one's time
Elanor's post 12 says: ...Ron saying: "Mum, d'you honestly think You-Know-Who's going to be hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts?" and then "Blimey... you can't even make a joke round here any more..." in the HBP (p.107, US paperback) gives me some goosebumps when reading it...
later in that book we discover that part of Voldemorts soul was in the diary that was "hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts" in the hands of Lucius before being passed to Ginny.
(Although this happened actually before Ron said it, we discovered it after. Does it count? )
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haymoni - Sep 21, 2006 7:03 am (#29 of 107)
I think it counts - that's creepy!
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Steve Newton - Sep 21, 2006 7:05 am (#30 of 107)
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I hadn't picked that one up. Good going, darien.
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haymoni - Sep 22, 2006 11:18 am (#31 of 107)
In GOF - "Beauxbatons & Durmstrang" - after the notice goes up that the 2 schools will be arriving a week later, Ernie wonders if Cedric knows.
"That idiot, Hogwarts champion?" said Ron...
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 22, 2006 1:25 pm (#32 of 107)
I don't see any of these as true predictions. Sorry, but I'm not quite understanding this. Especially given the low opinon most of the wizarding world and Jo herself have of predicitons. Trelawney is the only one we know that has made real predictions, and she's portrayed as a buffoon, and Jo had Dumbledore say predictions only matter if you take them seriously. I'm paraphrasing of course, but I hope you know what I mean.
I'm just trying to understand this better. We could probably go through every comment every character has ever made and come up with some we could attribute as predictions to other people than Ron. Why just do this for him? I just don't see him as a seer. If anyone would make a good seer, I think it would be Luna. But Ron is too single minded and unimaginative, as I see him.
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Steve Newton - Sep 22, 2006 1:43 pm (#33 of 107)
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I guess that I'll have to do a reread to pick up some of these. I have noted a couple while reading but, big surprise, I don't remember where.
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haymoni - Sep 22, 2006 1:44 pm (#34 of 107)
In no way, shape or form do I think that Ron is a Seer.
"Irony" is probably a better word for the things he says.
I need something to do before Book 7 comes out - might as well be this!
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far from prefect - Sep 22, 2006 2:41 pm (#35 of 107)
I think what we are commenting on is foreshadowing. An author will use a character or a situation to give a preview of something that will happen in the future. Then, when the event does happen, there is a resonance with the reader that gives the event a greater importance.
It is easy to call it predicting when we are discussing a world where seers make prophesies. And, it's kind of fun to look through the books and say, Aha! She set us up there! I know that I am enjoying it.
ffp
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legolas returns - Sep 22, 2006 2:44 pm (#36 of 107)
Is there anything that Ron has said that could forshadow anything in book 7?
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journeymom - Sep 22, 2006 2:49 pm (#37 of 107)
I believe Dumbledore was referring to prophesies, not predictions. The difference is important. Ordinary, everyday people like financial planners and scientists make predictions.
But Die Zim, I agree with the gist of what you're saying. Some of the examples given here so far are stretching to fit the category. However, some people have suggested that Ron occasionally spouts off something unlikely that coincidentally turns out to be true. I'd like to know if that's so, and this is the place to share examples of Ron's- comments. To see if there really is a pattern.
Haymoni, I like the term 'irony' in this instance.
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aggieamy - Sep 22, 2006 8:20 pm (#38 of 107)
I agree with the people that think Ron's "predictions" aren't really predictions but fun ironies. It's interesting that this only happens with Ron. I don't think we've heard Hermoine or Harry "predict" anything to date the way we have with Ron. I know that if I'm wrong I'll have a million posts with quotes by the time I log on in the morning to prove me wrong. I *heart* the Lexicon.
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journeymom - Sep 22, 2006 10:25 pm (#39 of 107)
"It's like raaaiiin on your wedding day, It's a free ride when you've already paid, It's the good advice that you just didn't take, Who would've thought...it figures."
Except wasn't there some disagreement about whether these were correct examples of irony? Ah, well.
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legolas returns - Sep 23, 2006 1:06 am (#40 of 107)
I dont need a dictionary to tell you that rain on your wedding day is bad luck/annoying/upsetting and nothing to do with being ironic and neither have any words in the song got anything to do with irony.
The dictionary defintion -a means of expression which suggests a different, usually humorous or angry, meaning for the words used:
That definition sounds quite close to sarcasm if you ask me. But what do I know
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 23, 2006 10:18 am (#41 of 107)
Okay, thank you. Now I understand better. I didn't see Ron as predicting. If someone wants to take some of his comments as foreshadowing, that I understand. But you can do that with anyone, of course, and it's tricky knowing which comments are real foreshadowing and which ones are not.
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Steve Newton - Sep 23, 2006 12:20 pm (#42 of 107)
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I think that we need a fairly comprehensive list before we can say anything with authority. I don't have one and it will take me quite a while to come up with one.
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haymoni - Sep 23, 2006 1:08 pm (#43 of 107)
Hence the thread.
I had heard people make the comments, but nobody could ever really point to anything.
Come search with me!
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 24, 2006 9:11 am (#44 of 107)
What about Ron suspecting that Snape was opening Harry's mind instead of closing it with the occlumency lessons?.Of course I'm one of the very few that isn't totally convinced that Snape is on the side of good.
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Choices - Sep 24, 2006 10:39 am (#45 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
If I remember correctly, Ron says that seriously, so he is probably wrong. If he had said it in jest, he might be right.
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haymoni - Sep 25, 2006 10:05 am (#46 of 107)
In GOF, after Harry's name comes out of the Goblet and he finally gets back to his dormitory after the common room celebration, Ron is sitting there and starts in on him.
"You want to get to bed, Harry. I expect you'll need to be up early for a photo-call or something."
Harry didn't have to get up early, but he did have the photo shoot with Riat the next day.
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 25, 2006 6:49 pm (#47 of 107)
Good one,Haymoni. So,what about in OoP when Ron says "we have about as much a chance at winning the house cup as dad has becoming the Minister of Magic?" Do you think there is a chance that we will find out that Arthur will become MoM in the epilogue?
That's true,Choices.He was serious.
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 25, 2006 9:34 pm (#48 of 107)
I hope that Ron's statement about Arthur is not a prediciton. Arthur would make a terrible MoM in my opinion. He's too easy going, laid back and doesn't like confrontations. The MoM has to do a lot of things he doesn't want to do. Arthur wouldn't be the best person for that job as I see him. Didn't Jo said he would not be, or was that only referring to the next book after the comment?
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Laura W - Sep 26, 2006 1:08 am (#49 of 107)
From Jo's website:
"Will Arthur Weasley be the new Minister for Magic?
Alas, no."
Guess that answers that. (grin)
(Of course, Trelawny predicted Harry would be Minister for Magic.) Laura
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Steve Newton - Sep 26, 2006 5:48 am (#50 of 107)
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Actually, it doesn't answer that. I would guess that there is going to be another Minister after Scrimgeour and this comment does not rule that out as being Arthur.
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Die Zimtzicke - Sep 26, 2006 10:51 am (#51 of 107)
Didn't Jo say that Harry would not be MoM in the end, because 17 was too young for politics, or something like that? That comment always threw me, because so many fans seem dead sure that the epilogue will be set many years after the events in question. I'll have to go look. If anyone else finds that quote before I do, please put it up! I'm having a really rotten day and might not get back right away.
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wynnleaf - Sep 26, 2006 11:06 am (#52 of 107)
I've been enjoying reading this thread.
On the topic of foreshadowing, it is interesting that when JKR wants to tell the readers something outright, she often uses Hermione or Dumbledore -- depending on the nature of what she wants to tell us. When they're speaking for her, it usually seems to be in a serious context.
Through this list, it seems that JKR uses Ron whenever she wants to foreshadow something through a humorous vein.
I have begun to guess that she also foreshadows through Harry by following through on the opposite of anything Harry thinks will never, ever happen.
She used a good bit of it with Trelawney in HBP. But there, she would have Trelawney talking about her cards and predictions and no one (including the reader) would pay her any notice, thinking "oh, that's just Trelawney and we can't believe her."
But my point is that she seems to like to do a lot of foreshadowing, and will use characters in ways unique to their character in order to do it.
With Ron, it's usually these off-hand comments, some joking, some just sort of throw-away casual comments, that turn out to be true.
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S.E. Jones - Sep 26, 2006 12:58 pm (#53 of 107)
Let it snow!
Die Zimtzicke, the quote's in the Rumors section of her site:
Rumor: Harry will be asked to become Minister of Magic in book seven
JKR: Seventeen is much too young to enter politics.
She didn't say he'd never be Minister of Magic, just that 17 was too young for politics. I guess that could still leave it open for him to become Minister of Magic when he's 27 in the epilogue (I'm guessing here, of course).
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legolas returns - Sep 26, 2006 1:07 pm (#54 of 107)
He has to have a million children as well. That was Trewlany comming out with something in her non predicting voice.
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 26, 2006 6:45 pm (#55 of 107)
I could see Harry having a huge,Weasley type family which he has always hoped for.I hope the MoM job and the twelve children come true.He deserves his hearts desire.
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Meoshimo - Sep 26, 2006 7:15 pm (#56 of 107)
Twelve children is just too much!
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 27, 2006 4:57 am (#57 of 107)
Perhaps Trelawney's "inner eye" interpreted 1-2 kids as meaning twelve.
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Esther Rose - Sep 27, 2006 7:55 am (#58 of 107)
Okay I don't know if this counts but Ron makes a scarcastic Joke about to Moaning Myrtle about the "crying boy" and her having a lot in common. To where Ron replys "What? Does he live in an S-bend too." or something to that effect.
Interesting enough it was Malfoy, who lives in the Slytherin wing, that was crying and being comforted by Myrtle.
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haymoni - Sep 27, 2006 11:15 am (#59 of 107)
In GOF, "The Unexpected Task" after Harry finds out he has to find a date for the Ball, he & Ron are talking to Hagrid about his interview with Rita.
"She jus' wanted me ter talk about you, Harry,"....
"She wants a new angle, Hagrid," said Ron, wisely as he shelled salamander eggs. "You were supposed to say Harry's a mad delinquent!"
That assumption comes in the next book.
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Steve Newton - Sep 27, 2006 11:28 am (#60 of 107)
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I just did a quick skim of SS/PS. Not much but I could have missed some.
Chapter 12, right after Ron's fight with Malfoy he says, "I'll get him....one of these days, I'll get him--" Not exactly humorous but a could be prediction.
Chapter 13, after finding out that Snape will be refereeing the match. "Really break you leg."
Chapter 16, on the way to Fluffy's abode, about Mrs. Norris. "Oh, let's kick her, just this once."
Not much there. I'm sure that there are better in the later books. Again, I could have easily missed some.
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S.E. Jones - Sep 27, 2006 11:48 am (#61 of 107)
Let it snow!
So, are we supposed to be looking for comments that have already come true or comments that might?
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Choices - Sep 27, 2006 11:54 am (#62 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I came across one while reading GOF last night (end of Ch. 27)....Hermione makes the comment that Percy would never throw any of his family to the dementors, to which Ron replies...."I don't know. If he thought we were standing in the way of his career.....Percy's really ambitious, you know."
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haymoni - Sep 27, 2006 12:09 pm (#63 of 107)
I was thinking of things that have already come true, but there certainly are some that make you wonder!
I say why limit ourselves??
We've got nothing else to do before Book 7 comes out!
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wynnleaf - Sep 27, 2006 1:39 pm (#64 of 107)
Some of the most interesting possibilities might be in HBP, especially since that's supposed to be like the first half of one larger book (6 and 7). It would make sense, then, for JKR to have Ron saying these casual, but unintentionally true remarks in HBP and then have them come true in book 7.
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Laura W - Sep 28, 2006 4:50 am (#65 of 107)
Steve, so Jo has categorically said on her website that Arthur Weasley will not be Minister of Magic and you say that this comment does not rule out Arthur Weasley becoming Minister of Magic. Huh? I must be missing something in your logic.
Laura
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haymoni - Sep 28, 2006 6:30 am (#66 of 107)
I don't have that quote in front of me, but she had said something like - You will get a new MOM. It won't be Arthur.
When I first read that, I thought in Book 6, we'll have a new MOM that will not be Arthur, but who knows what will happen in Book 7 and the Epilogue.
I pictured Arthur as becoming some sort of liaison between the Wizarding & Muggle worlds in the future.
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Laura W - Sep 28, 2006 7:20 am (#67 of 107)
Exact quote? JK Rowling Official Site > Text Version > FAQ > About the Books
question: "Will Arthur Weasley be the new Minister for Magic?"
answer: "Alas, no."
That really is the quote.
And I'd like to see Arthur take on that role you suggested, haymoni.
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Phelim Mcintyre - Sep 28, 2006 8:45 am (#68 of 107)
This quote refers to book 6, but what about book seven after Voldemort is defeated?
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Choices - Sep 28, 2006 11:45 am (#69 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think it is highly likely that Arthur could become the new MOM after Scrimgeour. I believe Arthur may be more capable than we have been led to believe. He seems to have a lot of friends in the MOM.
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Steve Newton - Sep 28, 2006 12:12 pm (#70 of 107)
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Laura, as you might have noticed I did not put in all of the quotation. My copy and pasting skills seem to be fading. Anyway, the quotation is from before HBP and says that Arthur will not be the new MOM. After Scrimgeour all bets would seem to be off.
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Laura W - Sep 28, 2006 1:26 pm (#71 of 107)
Oh. I guess I just assumed that quote from her website meant that he would *never* be the MOM. Now I see you guys are taking it to mean he would not be the Minister after Fudge (ie - after Book Five). I never saw it that way. Now I get what you mean.
Quite frankly I wouldn't care to see Arthur in that position. I *really like* Arthur as a human being but think he's not forceful enough to be head of a whole government (?), with all the tough decisions that have to be made. He's too nice - some would say timid, but I say nice - to be as ruthless and forceful as he would need to be. I'd like to see Kingsley Shacklebolt take over after Voldemort is defeated and Scrimgeour is forced to stand down. He seems to be really competent and a leader-type.
(I do hope Arthur is made head of a newly-formed Wizard-Muggle Liaison Dept. though, as haymoni suggested. If he is, Ron would undoubtedly *still* tell people his father has the most boring job in the Ministry. (big grin) Er ... hoping Ron is alive to do so.)
Laura
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Finn BV - Oct 1, 2006 7:28 pm (#72 of 107)
Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
So, are we supposed to be looking for comments that have already come true or comments that might? --Sarah
Well, I suppose if we gather enough comments that have already come true, they might be enough to convince us of some others: playing Jo's game before she gives us the answers.
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haymoni - Oct 2, 2006 12:05 pm (#73 of 107)
Steve - I've been looking through SS and you are right - so far I've really had a hard time.
In SS - Chapter 6 - "The Journey From Platform 9 & 3/4" Hermione makes her grand entrance into Ron & Harry's compartment.
Ron says, "Whatever house I'm in, I hope she's not in it."
Of course she IS in his house - at Hogwarts, at the Burrow and who knows???
I've skimmed up to Chapter 14 and that's all I've found so far.
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juliebug - Oct 2, 2006 1:12 pm (#74 of 107)
I don't think anyone has mentioned this one yet, but Ron does make a prediction in their first divination class that sort of did happen. Ron sees a blob in Harry's tea cup that looks like either an acorn or a bowler hat. According to the text book, one of those things means a windfall or expected gold. Then Ron says that Harry could loan him some money. As we all know, in GoF Harry unexpectedly wins 1,000 galleons in the Triwizard Tournament. In the same book, Harry buys omniocculars for Ron. Ron refuses to call them a gift and insists on repaying Harry for them. This is sort of a loan situation (though I'm not really sure that the loan part should really even be considered part of the prediction.)
If someone else pointed this one out, I appologize. I did skim through all the previous posts, but didn't notice anything about this.
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Soul Search - Oct 2, 2006 2:20 pm (#75 of 107)
In GoF, Harry and Ron are making up dire predictions for Divination class. Ron suggests to Harry "You get stabbed in the back by someone you thought was a friend."
In OotP, Percy (figuratively) stabs Harry in back.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 2, 2006 3:01 pm (#76 of 107)
Let it snow!
Soul Search, that line has also been interpretted as Ron sorta stabbing Harry in the back later in the story when he refuses to believe Harry that he didn't put his name in the Goblet.
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Soul Search - Oct 2, 2006 7:05 pm (#77 of 107)
S.E. Jones, I agree. Could be either or both. Ron's really getting good with these predictions: two predictions with one statement.
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haymoni - Oct 3, 2006 7:16 am (#78 of 107)
Well, considering that the whole school seemed to not believe his story about what happened with Cedric, I think he was stabbed in the back by a lot of folks that he thought were his friends.
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Steve Newton - Oct 3, 2006 7:22 am (#79 of 107)
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In HBP, after Ron gets the misdirected love potion, he does hit Harry in the back. Not exactly a stab but in the right direction.
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haymoni - Oct 3, 2006 12:57 pm (#80 of 107)
OK - finished skimming SS - the only other thing I found was when they land on the Devil's Snare, Ron says: "Lucky this plant thing's here, really."
Of course it really wasn't lucky - they almost got killed.
(I really wish they would have left this part as is for the movie.)
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Vulture - Oct 4, 2006 8:37 am (#81 of 107)
It's just my opinion, but I like it !!
With regard to Ron's Book 6 joke, "Mum, d'you honestly think You-Know-Who's going to be hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts?" _ maybe it's seeing a link where none exists, but we later hear that Voldemort, after doing well at school, rejected all sorts of great job offers to become a shop assistant.
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Should Harry indeed refuse to return to Hogwarts (or if Harry does come back to school, he may not have any interest in Quidditch, having more important things on his mind), it is possible that McGonagall (or whoever is going to be Head of Gryffindor House - Hagrid, maybe?) will give Ron the captaincy of the House team. Although she may give it to Ginny since Ginny is technically the senior member of the team, have been on the team a year longer than Ron. (zelmia - Sep 17, 2006 9:59 am (#18))
Small point, zelmia. Ron was already the Gryffindor keeper when Ginny replaced Harry as seeker. Harry and the twins were banned after the Draco insulted thier mothers. (Hoot Owl - Sep 17, 2006 5:48 pm (#20))
May I point out that age and/or length of service on the team don't, in themselves, guarantee Quidditch captaincy. In Book 6, McGonagall makes Harry captain even though Katie Bell is older, has been on the team longer and (as Harry himself says) is a very good player. But I think you, Zelmia, might have something with your hunch about Hagrid _ if he becomes Head of Gryffindor, I could see him making Ron captain, as he knows Ron better than the others on the team (apart from Harry).
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Vulture - Oct 4, 2006 1:19 pm (#82 of 107)
It's just my opinion, but I like it !!
Also in Book 6, referring to Slughorn's "favourites", the "Slug Club", Ron says sarcastically to Hermione, "Why don't you try getting off with McLaggen, then Slughorn can make you King and Queen Slug" . Later in Book 6, Hermione does, in fact, ask McLaggen out.
Mind you, this may be a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, because (a) Hermione asks him out for revenge on Ron, and (b) she may have got the idea from this comment of Ron's _ or similar ones: she does say that she "thought he (McLaggen) would annoy Ron most".
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haymoni - Oct 6, 2006 10:37 am (#83 of 107)
Here's a quote from GOF that kind of scares me.
When the Trio are talking to Siriusin the cave, Hermione defends Snape, saying that Dumbledore trusts him.
"Oh give it a rest, Hermione," said Ron impatiently. "I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him --"
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Choices - Oct 6, 2006 11:10 am (#84 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
And that's exactly what happens - Barty Crouch, Jr.
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haymoni - Oct 6, 2006 12:43 pm (#85 of 107)
Or...Snape????
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wynnleaf - Oct 6, 2006 1:03 pm (#86 of 107)
Or Lupin?
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haymoni - Oct 6, 2006 1:57 pm (#87 of 107)
The next line is telling also:
Hermione: "Why did Snape save Harry's life in the first year, then? Why didn't he just let him die?"
Ron: "I dunno -- maybe he thought Dumbledore would kick him out --"
That sounds almost exactly like the Spinners End conversation between Snape & Bella.
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wynnleaf - Oct 6, 2006 3:11 pm (#88 of 107)
haymoni, you got be a tad concerned, so not having my books around, I was only able to find a limited selection of Ron quotes. But here are some that I seriously don't think will turn out to be true:
“Hearing voices no one else can hear isn’t a good sign, even in the wizarding world.” As it turns out, being a parselmouth isn’t evil or bad, or a sign of being dark wizard.
“Yeah, Dumbledore’s off his rocker all right.” Well, I hope not.
Speaking of the hats Hermione knit for the house elves. “They might not count as clothes. They didn’t look anything like hats to me. More like woolly bladders.” Apparently the elves did think the hats counted as clothes.
“Aaaaah,” said Ron, imitating Professor Trelawney’s mystical whisper, “when two Neptunes appear in the sky, it’s a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born, Harry.” I doubt this will occur!
Pretending to be Goyle writing lines, Ron says, “I…. must…. not…. look….. like….. a… baboon’s… backside.” Well, we can wait and see. Maybe this will happen to Goyle.
“Did I tell you I’ve invented a broomstick that will reach Jupiter?” Don’t think this is likely to happen.
“You should write a book,” Ron told Hermione as he cut up his potatoes, “Translating mad things girls do so boys can understand them.” Hermione might write a book, but I doubt if this will be the subject.
I could check the books, but while I do think JKR has Ron say a lot of things that turn out to be true, she also has him say a lot of things that are completely false, or just silly.
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Choices - Oct 6, 2006 6:21 pm (#89 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
That's true, she definitely does. It is when Ron says something seriously that it is usually false, and when he says it jokingly, it usually comes true.
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Steve Newton - Oct 7, 2006 12:44 pm (#90 of 107)
Librarian
I finally managed to browse through COS. (2 weeks of the flu slowed me down more than usual.) Again, the caveat that this is not from a deep reread.
Chapter 6-"You'd better hope Creevey doesn't meet Ginny, or they'll be starting a Harry Potter fan club."
Chapter 9-Looking for someone to sign the permission slip to get a book from the Restricted Section. "'Oh, come on, no teacher's going to fall for that', said Ron. 'They'd have to be really thick....'"
Chapter 11-AS Lockhart and Snape prepare to duel. "Wouldn't it be good if they finished each other off?"
Chapter 15-Entering the Forest."'Good thinking,' said Ron. 'I'd light mine, too, but you know--it'd probably blow up or something.'"
Not much that I can see but, again, I am making no claims for completeness. A couple of these did happen.
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Steve Newton - Oct 9, 2006 10:02 am (#91 of 107)
Librarian
From my browsing of POA.
Chapter 5-Speaking of Lupin on the Express. "He looks like one good hex would finish him off, doesn't he?" If Ron is right this could be bad news for Lupin.
Chapter 6-In Divination class. "You need your inner eye tested, if you ask me." I once started a thread called 'The Voice Within' in which I was curious about several instances of Harry hearing a voice in his head and suggesting that there might be more than one person home. This could hint at that or a horcrux. Or not.
Chapter Chapter 7-After Hermione complains about not being allowed to confront the Boggart. "'What would it have been for you?' said Ron sniggering. 'A piece of homework that got nine out of ten?'" I think he nailed this one.
Chapter 15-Just before Hermione leaves Divination. "It's obvious what this means. There's going to be loads of fog tonight." I think that he got it right but it seems pretty trivial. Unless you go a tad further and suggest that the fog is the confusion over Peter and Time Travel. Maybe.
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Mrs Brisbee - Oct 9, 2006 10:20 am (#92 of 107)
Chapter 5-Speaking of Lupin on the Express. "He looks like one good hex would finish him off, doesn't he?" If Ron is right this could be bad news for Lupin.
I wonder, does the DADA curse count? By the end of PoA Lupin is packing his bags and leaving Hogwarts.
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haymoni - Oct 11, 2006 9:25 am (#93 of 107)
I like that, Mrs. Brisbee.
In GOF - Chapter 29 - The Dream
Hermione says "Either Mr. Crouch attacked Viktor, or somebody else attacked both of them when Viktor wasn't looking."
"It must've been crouch," said Ron at once.
It WAS Crouch, just not MISTER Crouch.
In that same chapter, George accuses Ron of sounding like Percy: "Carry on like this and you'll be made a prefect."
"No, I won't!" said Ron hotly.
Of course he does become a prefect.
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Steve Newton - Oct 16, 2006 7:42 pm (#94 of 107)
Librarian
I finally got done with GOF. I think that this is the book that gives the Ron's jokes their life.
Chapter 5-Speaking of Perch. "He's been trying to get us to ask what that event is ever since he started work. Probably and exhibition of thick-bottomed cauldrons." Probably trivial but I think that cauldron's will play a part before this is through.
Chapter 10-Speaking of the possible arrest of Sirius. "Nah, it would've been in the Daily Prophet," said Ron. "The Ministry would want to show they's caught someone, wouldn't they?" Can we say Stan Shunpike?
Chapter 13-Speaking of the Skrewts. "Well, that won't matter if they turn out to cure seasickness or something, will it?" said Ron.
In divination. "Aaaaah," said Ron, imitating Professor Trelawney's mystical whisper, "when two Neptunes appear in the sky, it is a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born, Harry....." Well Harry wears glasses.
Chapter 14-"Imagine if Moody turned Snape into a horned toad," said Ron, his eyes misting over, "and bounced him all around his dungeon."
Faking Divination homework. "Why don't you get stabbed in the back by someone you thought a friend." "And on Wednesday, I think I'll come off worst in a fight."
"Ah, well, at least I'm forewarned." "I'd better change one of them to getting trampled by a rampaging hippogriff."
Chapter 16-Speaking of Hagrid and Maxime. "Well, if they end up having children, they'll be setting a world record, any baby of theirs would weigh about a ton."
Chapter 21-Speaking to Harry. "You'd be a sort of extra-concentrated ghost." MMMMMM.
"What are we now, the House-Elf Liberation Front?" Its the name of a chapter so may be important.
"Percy wouldn't recognize a joke if it danced naked in front of him wearing Dobby's tea cozy." [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Chapter 24-"Thinking of starting up S.P.U.G. or something? Society for the prevention of Ugly Goblins?"
Chapter 27-"I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him--" Maybe.
Speaking of Percy possibly selling out his family. "I don't know, said Ron. "If he thought we were standing in the way of his career...Percy's really ambitious, you know...."
I remember Ron saying something about Die Ron Die but didn't find it. I guess I missed it unless it is in OOTP.
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deletedaccount - Nov 15, 2006 9:29 am (#95 of 107)
"When the Trio are talking to Sirius in the cave, Hermione defends Snape, saying that Dumbledore trusts him.
"Oh give it a rest, Hermione," said Ron impatiently. "I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him --" "
And Sirius furthers this by saying "If you want to know what a man's like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals." Look how Snape treats his inferiors. I think that whole conversation regarding Snape was a foreshadowing of what was going to happen to Dumbledore.
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Choices - Nov 15, 2006 6:51 pm (#96 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
"Oh give it a rest, Hermione," said Ron impatiently. "I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him --"
I think that was a prediction that a dark wizard (Barty Crouch, Jr. as Moody) was going to be able to fool Dumbledore.....at least for a while. Dumbledore caught on at the end. :-)
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TomProffitt - Nov 18, 2006 7:30 am (#97 of 107)
Bullheaded empiricist
I did a pretty long investigation of this concept way back before OP came out. Y'all have come up with more than a few "predictions" that I missed then.
The problem then, and now, is that Ron's accuracy isn't very good. For every promising prediction that we can attribute to Ron there were a dozen that just weren't going to happen. The rules for what should count and what should not are sufficiently vague and irregular that we can't use Ron's word as any kind of barometer for what is to come. Ron is not a seer. Jo may be using his character to give us some foreshadowing, but Ron is definitely not predicting the future in great detail.
From my point of view we can look at things Ron has said for things that might come to pass, but there is no way we can look at his quotes and expect his predictions to be fulfilled.
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geauxtigers - Nov 18, 2006 10:32 am (#98 of 107)
Yum!
Tom, I agree, I don't think we can dissect everything that Ron says, and make it a prediction. I think that Jo uses him to foreshadow possible situations. All books have forshadowing, some use it through a character, some just briefly mention it. Jo is using Ron for the forshadowing. I find it very funny, because Ron is so "whatever" about his comments. Personally I love, "Maybe he killed Myrtle, that would have doen everyone a favor."
I think most of the things yall have mentioned here can be predictions, and I think they are plausible ect. But like Tom said, we can't expect it to some true just because Ron said it. Just my thoughts. I love this thread, I just haven't had even 10 minutes of spare time to come here since August. But I'm off a week, so I think I'm going to go back a read this thread. Who knows, maybe my opinions will change
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Steve Newton - Nov 21, 2006 6:57 am (#99 of 107)
Librarian
Tom, I have been trying to go book by book and find Ron's joking comments which have been called predictions. I was up to OOTP and decided that I would read it instead of skim and I am not finding much so far, but I am going rather slowly. I do suspect, though, that you are correct. Unless a thousand little things happen in book 7 using Ron's jokes to predict what is coming won't get you too far.
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geauxtigers - Nov 26, 2006 11:50 am (#100 of 107)
Yum!
I just read another 'prediction' by Ron last night. I'm sure its been mentioned before, but I haven't had the time to really play catch up on this thread. Anyway...They are talking about Lockhart, "Rubbish,' said Hermione, 'You've read his books-look at all those amazing things he's done-' 'He says he's done,' Ron muttered"(CoS US edt HB 103).
Here again, Ron is correct without knowing it.
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TomProffitt - Nov 26, 2006 3:16 pm (#101 of 107)
Bullheaded empiricist
"Here again, Ron is correct without knowing it." --- geauxtigers
I wouldn't exactly say that that was a unique or unexpected pronouncement. I knew Lockhart was a fraud the moment we met him in Flourish & Blotts.
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Laura W - Nov 27, 2006 1:46 am (#102 of 107)
You may have known that, Tom, - I have no doubt you did - but not everybody reading CoS would have figured that out so early. I agree with Victoria that Ron was correct about that without knowing it and that his comment was a clue to what would be revealed later while seeming to be just a throw-away Ron sarcasm.
Laura
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Steve Newton - Nov 27, 2006 7:04 am (#103 of 107)
Librarian
"He says he's done." This doesn't exactly sound like a prediction to me. Just everyday scoffing.
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geauxtigers - Nov 27, 2006 7:10 pm (#104 of 107)
Yum!
The point I was making, was when I first read CoS, I was only 10 and I can remember being surprised that he was a complete fraud. Now its very obvious, but to a young kid, things are so obvious. That was merely the point I was trying to make. It seems like a slight form of foreshadowing via Ron again. He is the first one to say it outloud, I think, even though the other characters are all thinking it.
I guess it just depends on how you interpret it.
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Laura W - Nov 28, 2006 3:33 pm (#105 of 107)
"I guess it just depends on how you interpret it."
Ah, wise young Victoria ... what you have just written in innocence could be be the motto for everything posted on all the threads on Lexicon Forum. (bowing respectfully)
Laura
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Pinky Prime - Nov 28, 2006 6:33 pm (#106 of 107)
I'm sorry I don't have a book in front of me but I have been tainted by the movie version of the CoS. Where Trelawny says to Ron "your aura is pulsing" is there anywhere in the book versions to support this.
My interpretation of this (thanks geauxtigers) has me stumped as to Ron's clairvoyance over his interpretation of assigned predictions.
Trewlawney didn't think about the cup until she touched it.
The Bottom line: Ron may have unknowingly have been pointed out by Trewlawny as being the best in the class. Or am I reaching?
Will have my reread tomorrow CoS.
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Pinky Prime - Nov 28, 2006 7:04 pm (#107 of 107)
Too late to edit
I meant a reread of POA
Didn't Jo say that Harry would not be MoM in the end, because 17 was too young for politics, or something like that? That comment always threw me, because so many fans seem dead sure that the epilogue will be set many years after the events in question. I'll have to go look. If anyone else finds that quote before I do, please put it up! I'm having a really rotten day and might not get back right away.
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wynnleaf - Sep 26, 2006 11:06 am (#52 of 107)
I've been enjoying reading this thread.
On the topic of foreshadowing, it is interesting that when JKR wants to tell the readers something outright, she often uses Hermione or Dumbledore -- depending on the nature of what she wants to tell us. When they're speaking for her, it usually seems to be in a serious context.
Through this list, it seems that JKR uses Ron whenever she wants to foreshadow something through a humorous vein.
I have begun to guess that she also foreshadows through Harry by following through on the opposite of anything Harry thinks will never, ever happen.
She used a good bit of it with Trelawney in HBP. But there, she would have Trelawney talking about her cards and predictions and no one (including the reader) would pay her any notice, thinking "oh, that's just Trelawney and we can't believe her."
But my point is that she seems to like to do a lot of foreshadowing, and will use characters in ways unique to their character in order to do it.
With Ron, it's usually these off-hand comments, some joking, some just sort of throw-away casual comments, that turn out to be true.
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S.E. Jones - Sep 26, 2006 12:58 pm (#53 of 107)
Let it snow!
Die Zimtzicke, the quote's in the Rumors section of her site:
Rumor: Harry will be asked to become Minister of Magic in book seven
JKR: Seventeen is much too young to enter politics.
She didn't say he'd never be Minister of Magic, just that 17 was too young for politics. I guess that could still leave it open for him to become Minister of Magic when he's 27 in the epilogue (I'm guessing here, of course).
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legolas returns - Sep 26, 2006 1:07 pm (#54 of 107)
He has to have a million children as well. That was Trewlany comming out with something in her non predicting voice.
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 26, 2006 6:45 pm (#55 of 107)
I could see Harry having a huge,Weasley type family which he has always hoped for.I hope the MoM job and the twelve children come true.He deserves his hearts desire.
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Meoshimo - Sep 26, 2006 7:15 pm (#56 of 107)
Twelve children is just too much!
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Madame Pomfrey - Sep 27, 2006 4:57 am (#57 of 107)
Perhaps Trelawney's "inner eye" interpreted 1-2 kids as meaning twelve.
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Esther Rose - Sep 27, 2006 7:55 am (#58 of 107)
Okay I don't know if this counts but Ron makes a scarcastic Joke about to Moaning Myrtle about the "crying boy" and her having a lot in common. To where Ron replys "What? Does he live in an S-bend too." or something to that effect.
Interesting enough it was Malfoy, who lives in the Slytherin wing, that was crying and being comforted by Myrtle.
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haymoni - Sep 27, 2006 11:15 am (#59 of 107)
In GOF, "The Unexpected Task" after Harry finds out he has to find a date for the Ball, he & Ron are talking to Hagrid about his interview with Rita.
"She jus' wanted me ter talk about you, Harry,"....
"She wants a new angle, Hagrid," said Ron, wisely as he shelled salamander eggs. "You were supposed to say Harry's a mad delinquent!"
That assumption comes in the next book.
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Steve Newton - Sep 27, 2006 11:28 am (#60 of 107)
Librarian
I just did a quick skim of SS/PS. Not much but I could have missed some.
Chapter 12, right after Ron's fight with Malfoy he says, "I'll get him....one of these days, I'll get him--" Not exactly humorous but a could be prediction.
Chapter 13, after finding out that Snape will be refereeing the match. "Really break you leg."
Chapter 16, on the way to Fluffy's abode, about Mrs. Norris. "Oh, let's kick her, just this once."
Not much there. I'm sure that there are better in the later books. Again, I could have easily missed some.
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S.E. Jones - Sep 27, 2006 11:48 am (#61 of 107)
Let it snow!
So, are we supposed to be looking for comments that have already come true or comments that might?
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Choices - Sep 27, 2006 11:54 am (#62 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I came across one while reading GOF last night (end of Ch. 27)....Hermione makes the comment that Percy would never throw any of his family to the dementors, to which Ron replies...."I don't know. If he thought we were standing in the way of his career.....Percy's really ambitious, you know."
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haymoni - Sep 27, 2006 12:09 pm (#63 of 107)
I was thinking of things that have already come true, but there certainly are some that make you wonder!
I say why limit ourselves??
We've got nothing else to do before Book 7 comes out!
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wynnleaf - Sep 27, 2006 1:39 pm (#64 of 107)
Some of the most interesting possibilities might be in HBP, especially since that's supposed to be like the first half of one larger book (6 and 7). It would make sense, then, for JKR to have Ron saying these casual, but unintentionally true remarks in HBP and then have them come true in book 7.
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Laura W - Sep 28, 2006 4:50 am (#65 of 107)
Steve, so Jo has categorically said on her website that Arthur Weasley will not be Minister of Magic and you say that this comment does not rule out Arthur Weasley becoming Minister of Magic. Huh? I must be missing something in your logic.
Laura
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haymoni - Sep 28, 2006 6:30 am (#66 of 107)
I don't have that quote in front of me, but she had said something like - You will get a new MOM. It won't be Arthur.
When I first read that, I thought in Book 6, we'll have a new MOM that will not be Arthur, but who knows what will happen in Book 7 and the Epilogue.
I pictured Arthur as becoming some sort of liaison between the Wizarding & Muggle worlds in the future.
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Laura W - Sep 28, 2006 7:20 am (#67 of 107)
Exact quote? JK Rowling Official Site > Text Version > FAQ > About the Books
question: "Will Arthur Weasley be the new Minister for Magic?"
answer: "Alas, no."
That really is the quote.
And I'd like to see Arthur take on that role you suggested, haymoni.
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Phelim Mcintyre - Sep 28, 2006 8:45 am (#68 of 107)
This quote refers to book 6, but what about book seven after Voldemort is defeated?
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Choices - Sep 28, 2006 11:45 am (#69 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
I think it is highly likely that Arthur could become the new MOM after Scrimgeour. I believe Arthur may be more capable than we have been led to believe. He seems to have a lot of friends in the MOM.
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Steve Newton - Sep 28, 2006 12:12 pm (#70 of 107)
Librarian
Laura, as you might have noticed I did not put in all of the quotation. My copy and pasting skills seem to be fading. Anyway, the quotation is from before HBP and says that Arthur will not be the new MOM. After Scrimgeour all bets would seem to be off.
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Laura W - Sep 28, 2006 1:26 pm (#71 of 107)
Oh. I guess I just assumed that quote from her website meant that he would *never* be the MOM. Now I see you guys are taking it to mean he would not be the Minister after Fudge (ie - after Book Five). I never saw it that way. Now I get what you mean.
Quite frankly I wouldn't care to see Arthur in that position. I *really like* Arthur as a human being but think he's not forceful enough to be head of a whole government (?), with all the tough decisions that have to be made. He's too nice - some would say timid, but I say nice - to be as ruthless and forceful as he would need to be. I'd like to see Kingsley Shacklebolt take over after Voldemort is defeated and Scrimgeour is forced to stand down. He seems to be really competent and a leader-type.
(I do hope Arthur is made head of a newly-formed Wizard-Muggle Liaison Dept. though, as haymoni suggested. If he is, Ron would undoubtedly *still* tell people his father has the most boring job in the Ministry. (big grin) Er ... hoping Ron is alive to do so.)
Laura
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Finn BV - Oct 1, 2006 7:28 pm (#72 of 107)
Me kayaking, Niagara River, August 2006. I have been likened to Reepicheep in this photo.
So, are we supposed to be looking for comments that have already come true or comments that might? --Sarah
Well, I suppose if we gather enough comments that have already come true, they might be enough to convince us of some others: playing Jo's game before she gives us the answers.
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haymoni - Oct 2, 2006 12:05 pm (#73 of 107)
Steve - I've been looking through SS and you are right - so far I've really had a hard time.
In SS - Chapter 6 - "The Journey From Platform 9 & 3/4" Hermione makes her grand entrance into Ron & Harry's compartment.
Ron says, "Whatever house I'm in, I hope she's not in it."
Of course she IS in his house - at Hogwarts, at the Burrow and who knows???
I've skimmed up to Chapter 14 and that's all I've found so far.
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juliebug - Oct 2, 2006 1:12 pm (#74 of 107)
I don't think anyone has mentioned this one yet, but Ron does make a prediction in their first divination class that sort of did happen. Ron sees a blob in Harry's tea cup that looks like either an acorn or a bowler hat. According to the text book, one of those things means a windfall or expected gold. Then Ron says that Harry could loan him some money. As we all know, in GoF Harry unexpectedly wins 1,000 galleons in the Triwizard Tournament. In the same book, Harry buys omniocculars for Ron. Ron refuses to call them a gift and insists on repaying Harry for them. This is sort of a loan situation (though I'm not really sure that the loan part should really even be considered part of the prediction.)
If someone else pointed this one out, I appologize. I did skim through all the previous posts, but didn't notice anything about this.
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Soul Search - Oct 2, 2006 2:20 pm (#75 of 107)
In GoF, Harry and Ron are making up dire predictions for Divination class. Ron suggests to Harry "You get stabbed in the back by someone you thought was a friend."
In OotP, Percy (figuratively) stabs Harry in back.
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S.E. Jones - Oct 2, 2006 3:01 pm (#76 of 107)
Let it snow!
Soul Search, that line has also been interpretted as Ron sorta stabbing Harry in the back later in the story when he refuses to believe Harry that he didn't put his name in the Goblet.
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Soul Search - Oct 2, 2006 7:05 pm (#77 of 107)
S.E. Jones, I agree. Could be either or both. Ron's really getting good with these predictions: two predictions with one statement.
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haymoni - Oct 3, 2006 7:16 am (#78 of 107)
Well, considering that the whole school seemed to not believe his story about what happened with Cedric, I think he was stabbed in the back by a lot of folks that he thought were his friends.
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Steve Newton - Oct 3, 2006 7:22 am (#79 of 107)
Librarian
In HBP, after Ron gets the misdirected love potion, he does hit Harry in the back. Not exactly a stab but in the right direction.
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haymoni - Oct 3, 2006 12:57 pm (#80 of 107)
OK - finished skimming SS - the only other thing I found was when they land on the Devil's Snare, Ron says: "Lucky this plant thing's here, really."
Of course it really wasn't lucky - they almost got killed.
(I really wish they would have left this part as is for the movie.)
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Vulture - Oct 4, 2006 8:37 am (#81 of 107)
It's just my opinion, but I like it !!
With regard to Ron's Book 6 joke, "Mum, d'you honestly think You-Know-Who's going to be hiding behind a bookshelf in Flourish and Blotts?" _ maybe it's seeing a link where none exists, but we later hear that Voldemort, after doing well at school, rejected all sorts of great job offers to become a shop assistant.
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Should Harry indeed refuse to return to Hogwarts (or if Harry does come back to school, he may not have any interest in Quidditch, having more important things on his mind), it is possible that McGonagall (or whoever is going to be Head of Gryffindor House - Hagrid, maybe?) will give Ron the captaincy of the House team. Although she may give it to Ginny since Ginny is technically the senior member of the team, have been on the team a year longer than Ron. (zelmia - Sep 17, 2006 9:59 am (#18))
Small point, zelmia. Ron was already the Gryffindor keeper when Ginny replaced Harry as seeker. Harry and the twins were banned after the Draco insulted thier mothers. (Hoot Owl - Sep 17, 2006 5:48 pm (#20))
May I point out that age and/or length of service on the team don't, in themselves, guarantee Quidditch captaincy. In Book 6, McGonagall makes Harry captain even though Katie Bell is older, has been on the team longer and (as Harry himself says) is a very good player. But I think you, Zelmia, might have something with your hunch about Hagrid _ if he becomes Head of Gryffindor, I could see him making Ron captain, as he knows Ron better than the others on the team (apart from Harry).
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Vulture - Oct 4, 2006 1:19 pm (#82 of 107)
It's just my opinion, but I like it !!
Also in Book 6, referring to Slughorn's "favourites", the "Slug Club", Ron says sarcastically to Hermione, "Why don't you try getting off with McLaggen, then Slughorn can make you King and Queen Slug" . Later in Book 6, Hermione does, in fact, ask McLaggen out.
Mind you, this may be a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy, because (a) Hermione asks him out for revenge on Ron, and (b) she may have got the idea from this comment of Ron's _ or similar ones: she does say that she "thought he (McLaggen) would annoy Ron most".
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haymoni - Oct 6, 2006 10:37 am (#83 of 107)
Here's a quote from GOF that kind of scares me.
When the Trio are talking to Siriusin the cave, Hermione defends Snape, saying that Dumbledore trusts him.
"Oh give it a rest, Hermione," said Ron impatiently. "I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him --"
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Choices - Oct 6, 2006 11:10 am (#84 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
And that's exactly what happens - Barty Crouch, Jr.
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haymoni - Oct 6, 2006 12:43 pm (#85 of 107)
Or...Snape????
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wynnleaf - Oct 6, 2006 1:03 pm (#86 of 107)
Or Lupin?
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haymoni - Oct 6, 2006 1:57 pm (#87 of 107)
The next line is telling also:
Hermione: "Why did Snape save Harry's life in the first year, then? Why didn't he just let him die?"
Ron: "I dunno -- maybe he thought Dumbledore would kick him out --"
That sounds almost exactly like the Spinners End conversation between Snape & Bella.
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wynnleaf - Oct 6, 2006 3:11 pm (#88 of 107)
haymoni, you got be a tad concerned, so not having my books around, I was only able to find a limited selection of Ron quotes. But here are some that I seriously don't think will turn out to be true:
“Hearing voices no one else can hear isn’t a good sign, even in the wizarding world.” As it turns out, being a parselmouth isn’t evil or bad, or a sign of being dark wizard.
“Yeah, Dumbledore’s off his rocker all right.” Well, I hope not.
Speaking of the hats Hermione knit for the house elves. “They might not count as clothes. They didn’t look anything like hats to me. More like woolly bladders.” Apparently the elves did think the hats counted as clothes.
“Aaaaah,” said Ron, imitating Professor Trelawney’s mystical whisper, “when two Neptunes appear in the sky, it’s a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born, Harry.” I doubt this will occur!
Pretending to be Goyle writing lines, Ron says, “I…. must…. not…. look….. like….. a… baboon’s… backside.” Well, we can wait and see. Maybe this will happen to Goyle.
“Did I tell you I’ve invented a broomstick that will reach Jupiter?” Don’t think this is likely to happen.
“You should write a book,” Ron told Hermione as he cut up his potatoes, “Translating mad things girls do so boys can understand them.” Hermione might write a book, but I doubt if this will be the subject.
I could check the books, but while I do think JKR has Ron say a lot of things that turn out to be true, she also has him say a lot of things that are completely false, or just silly.
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Choices - Oct 6, 2006 6:21 pm (#89 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
That's true, she definitely does. It is when Ron says something seriously that it is usually false, and when he says it jokingly, it usually comes true.
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Steve Newton - Oct 7, 2006 12:44 pm (#90 of 107)
Librarian
I finally managed to browse through COS. (2 weeks of the flu slowed me down more than usual.) Again, the caveat that this is not from a deep reread.
Chapter 6-"You'd better hope Creevey doesn't meet Ginny, or they'll be starting a Harry Potter fan club."
Chapter 9-Looking for someone to sign the permission slip to get a book from the Restricted Section. "'Oh, come on, no teacher's going to fall for that', said Ron. 'They'd have to be really thick....'"
Chapter 11-AS Lockhart and Snape prepare to duel. "Wouldn't it be good if they finished each other off?"
Chapter 15-Entering the Forest."'Good thinking,' said Ron. 'I'd light mine, too, but you know--it'd probably blow up or something.'"
Not much that I can see but, again, I am making no claims for completeness. A couple of these did happen.
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Steve Newton - Oct 9, 2006 10:02 am (#91 of 107)
Librarian
From my browsing of POA.
Chapter 5-Speaking of Lupin on the Express. "He looks like one good hex would finish him off, doesn't he?" If Ron is right this could be bad news for Lupin.
Chapter 6-In Divination class. "You need your inner eye tested, if you ask me." I once started a thread called 'The Voice Within' in which I was curious about several instances of Harry hearing a voice in his head and suggesting that there might be more than one person home. This could hint at that or a horcrux. Or not.
Chapter Chapter 7-After Hermione complains about not being allowed to confront the Boggart. "'What would it have been for you?' said Ron sniggering. 'A piece of homework that got nine out of ten?'" I think he nailed this one.
Chapter 15-Just before Hermione leaves Divination. "It's obvious what this means. There's going to be loads of fog tonight." I think that he got it right but it seems pretty trivial. Unless you go a tad further and suggest that the fog is the confusion over Peter and Time Travel. Maybe.
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Mrs Brisbee - Oct 9, 2006 10:20 am (#92 of 107)
Chapter 5-Speaking of Lupin on the Express. "He looks like one good hex would finish him off, doesn't he?" If Ron is right this could be bad news for Lupin.
I wonder, does the DADA curse count? By the end of PoA Lupin is packing his bags and leaving Hogwarts.
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haymoni - Oct 11, 2006 9:25 am (#93 of 107)
I like that, Mrs. Brisbee.
In GOF - Chapter 29 - The Dream
Hermione says "Either Mr. Crouch attacked Viktor, or somebody else attacked both of them when Viktor wasn't looking."
"It must've been crouch," said Ron at once.
It WAS Crouch, just not MISTER Crouch.
In that same chapter, George accuses Ron of sounding like Percy: "Carry on like this and you'll be made a prefect."
"No, I won't!" said Ron hotly.
Of course he does become a prefect.
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Steve Newton - Oct 16, 2006 7:42 pm (#94 of 107)
Librarian
I finally got done with GOF. I think that this is the book that gives the Ron's jokes their life.
Chapter 5-Speaking of Perch. "He's been trying to get us to ask what that event is ever since he started work. Probably and exhibition of thick-bottomed cauldrons." Probably trivial but I think that cauldron's will play a part before this is through.
Chapter 10-Speaking of the possible arrest of Sirius. "Nah, it would've been in the Daily Prophet," said Ron. "The Ministry would want to show they's caught someone, wouldn't they?" Can we say Stan Shunpike?
Chapter 13-Speaking of the Skrewts. "Well, that won't matter if they turn out to cure seasickness or something, will it?" said Ron.
In divination. "Aaaaah," said Ron, imitating Professor Trelawney's mystical whisper, "when two Neptunes appear in the sky, it is a sure sign that a midget in glasses is being born, Harry....." Well Harry wears glasses.
Chapter 14-"Imagine if Moody turned Snape into a horned toad," said Ron, his eyes misting over, "and bounced him all around his dungeon."
Faking Divination homework. "Why don't you get stabbed in the back by someone you thought a friend." "And on Wednesday, I think I'll come off worst in a fight."
"Ah, well, at least I'm forewarned." "I'd better change one of them to getting trampled by a rampaging hippogriff."
Chapter 16-Speaking of Hagrid and Maxime. "Well, if they end up having children, they'll be setting a world record, any baby of theirs would weigh about a ton."
Chapter 21-Speaking to Harry. "You'd be a sort of extra-concentrated ghost." MMMMMM.
"What are we now, the House-Elf Liberation Front?" Its the name of a chapter so may be important.
"Percy wouldn't recognize a joke if it danced naked in front of him wearing Dobby's tea cozy." [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Chapter 24-"Thinking of starting up S.P.U.G. or something? Society for the prevention of Ugly Goblins?"
Chapter 27-"I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him--" Maybe.
Speaking of Percy possibly selling out his family. "I don't know, said Ron. "If he thought we were standing in the way of his career...Percy's really ambitious, you know...."
I remember Ron saying something about Die Ron Die but didn't find it. I guess I missed it unless it is in OOTP.
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deletedaccount - Nov 15, 2006 9:29 am (#95 of 107)
"When the Trio are talking to Sirius in the cave, Hermione defends Snape, saying that Dumbledore trusts him.
"Oh give it a rest, Hermione," said Ron impatiently. "I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him --" "
And Sirius furthers this by saying "If you want to know what a man's like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals." Look how Snape treats his inferiors. I think that whole conversation regarding Snape was a foreshadowing of what was going to happen to Dumbledore.
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Choices - Nov 15, 2006 6:51 pm (#96 of 107)
*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
"Oh give it a rest, Hermione," said Ron impatiently. "I know Dumbledore's brilliant and everything, but that doesn't mean a really clever Dark wizard couldn't fool him --"
I think that was a prediction that a dark wizard (Barty Crouch, Jr. as Moody) was going to be able to fool Dumbledore.....at least for a while. Dumbledore caught on at the end. :-)
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TomProffitt - Nov 18, 2006 7:30 am (#97 of 107)
Bullheaded empiricist
I did a pretty long investigation of this concept way back before OP came out. Y'all have come up with more than a few "predictions" that I missed then.
The problem then, and now, is that Ron's accuracy isn't very good. For every promising prediction that we can attribute to Ron there were a dozen that just weren't going to happen. The rules for what should count and what should not are sufficiently vague and irregular that we can't use Ron's word as any kind of barometer for what is to come. Ron is not a seer. Jo may be using his character to give us some foreshadowing, but Ron is definitely not predicting the future in great detail.
From my point of view we can look at things Ron has said for things that might come to pass, but there is no way we can look at his quotes and expect his predictions to be fulfilled.
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geauxtigers - Nov 18, 2006 10:32 am (#98 of 107)
Yum!
Tom, I agree, I don't think we can dissect everything that Ron says, and make it a prediction. I think that Jo uses him to foreshadow possible situations. All books have forshadowing, some use it through a character, some just briefly mention it. Jo is using Ron for the forshadowing. I find it very funny, because Ron is so "whatever" about his comments. Personally I love, "Maybe he killed Myrtle, that would have doen everyone a favor."
I think most of the things yall have mentioned here can be predictions, and I think they are plausible ect. But like Tom said, we can't expect it to some true just because Ron said it. Just my thoughts. I love this thread, I just haven't had even 10 minutes of spare time to come here since August. But I'm off a week, so I think I'm going to go back a read this thread. Who knows, maybe my opinions will change
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Steve Newton - Nov 21, 2006 6:57 am (#99 of 107)
Librarian
Tom, I have been trying to go book by book and find Ron's joking comments which have been called predictions. I was up to OOTP and decided that I would read it instead of skim and I am not finding much so far, but I am going rather slowly. I do suspect, though, that you are correct. Unless a thousand little things happen in book 7 using Ron's jokes to predict what is coming won't get you too far.
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geauxtigers - Nov 26, 2006 11:50 am (#100 of 107)
Yum!
I just read another 'prediction' by Ron last night. I'm sure its been mentioned before, but I haven't had the time to really play catch up on this thread. Anyway...They are talking about Lockhart, "Rubbish,' said Hermione, 'You've read his books-look at all those amazing things he's done-' 'He says he's done,' Ron muttered"(CoS US edt HB 103).
Here again, Ron is correct without knowing it.
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TomProffitt - Nov 26, 2006 3:16 pm (#101 of 107)
Bullheaded empiricist
"Here again, Ron is correct without knowing it." --- geauxtigers
I wouldn't exactly say that that was a unique or unexpected pronouncement. I knew Lockhart was a fraud the moment we met him in Flourish & Blotts.
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Laura W - Nov 27, 2006 1:46 am (#102 of 107)
You may have known that, Tom, - I have no doubt you did - but not everybody reading CoS would have figured that out so early. I agree with Victoria that Ron was correct about that without knowing it and that his comment was a clue to what would be revealed later while seeming to be just a throw-away Ron sarcasm.
Laura
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Steve Newton - Nov 27, 2006 7:04 am (#103 of 107)
Librarian
"He says he's done." This doesn't exactly sound like a prediction to me. Just everyday scoffing.
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geauxtigers - Nov 27, 2006 7:10 pm (#104 of 107)
Yum!
The point I was making, was when I first read CoS, I was only 10 and I can remember being surprised that he was a complete fraud. Now its very obvious, but to a young kid, things are so obvious. That was merely the point I was trying to make. It seems like a slight form of foreshadowing via Ron again. He is the first one to say it outloud, I think, even though the other characters are all thinking it.
I guess it just depends on how you interpret it.
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Laura W - Nov 28, 2006 3:33 pm (#105 of 107)
"I guess it just depends on how you interpret it."
Ah, wise young Victoria ... what you have just written in innocence could be be the motto for everything posted on all the threads on Lexicon Forum. (bowing respectfully)
Laura
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Pinky Prime - Nov 28, 2006 6:33 pm (#106 of 107)
I'm sorry I don't have a book in front of me but I have been tainted by the movie version of the CoS. Where Trelawny says to Ron "your aura is pulsing" is there anywhere in the book versions to support this.
My interpretation of this (thanks geauxtigers) has me stumped as to Ron's clairvoyance over his interpretation of assigned predictions.
Trewlawney didn't think about the cup until she touched it.
The Bottom line: Ron may have unknowingly have been pointed out by Trewlawny as being the best in the class. Or am I reaching?
Will have my reread tomorrow CoS.
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Pinky Prime - Nov 28, 2006 7:04 pm (#107 of 107)
Too late to edit
I meant a reread of POA
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