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Re: Potty Game: Five Words (Vol. XIX)
Mona Tue Aug 13, 2013 8:34 am
and demanded, "Your news, Severus?
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Julia H. Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:42 am
the signficance of the Prophecy
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- Can we agree that Voldemort probably didn't tell Snape about his plans to lure Harry to the Ministry in advance? From the book it seems Snape only knew what Harry told him about Sirius and that's why he thought, after Harry's disappearance, that he might have gone to the Ministry. (He was also searching the Forest for him, just in case). If Snape had known of the plans earlier, he probably would have made sure Harry could not get out of the school (he might have trusted Umbridge to do it, but still). It is also in character with Voldemort not to share the plan with someone who was not going to participate anyway.
In this case, however, Snape needs a legitimate reason to know, so soon after the battle, what has happened. Has he been dispatched to find out the details by Voldemort? But then when did Voldemort put him in the picture? Or is he coming now as a volunteer - in which case he has to claim that Dumbledore or someone in the Order has told him what happened. Then he can also say that he found out the details about the Prophecy from Dumbledore about the same time when "Lucius and the others"
started the attack and their discussion was interrupted by a message to Dumbledore or he can say that he has talked to Dumbledore since the attack (which may be true if they have had time).
I'm not sure which option would be better, but we have to be careful with the timeline and canon.
Or is it possible that Snape knew about the plans in advance? In that case, Voldemort may either find it suspicious that Snape suddenly knows the secret at this very moment or he may reproach him for not telling it earlier, before "Lucius and the others" got themselves captured and Voldemort had to reveal his return to the wizarding public.
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Verity Weasley Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:01 am
- and he has shared the
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- Snape was the one who told Voldemort about the prophecy in the first place, so both he and LV have been aware that Dumbledore knew the full prophecy all along. I guess LV thought it would be easier to get the record of the prophecy from the Department of Mysteries than to persuade Dumbledore to reveal the details, but with Snape as spy, it's a little surprising that he never asked him to try.
Yes, we have to assume that Snape was unaware of the plan. However, as a member of the Order of the Phoenix, it is plausible that Snape was informed of the details by Dumbledore or another Order member. He's now reporting to Voldemort what he has learned of the situation from Dumbledore and the Ministry. I think we can also assume that enough time has passed for Snape and Dumbledore to have met and discussed the prophecy.
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Julia H. Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:18 am
words of the second part
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- Who knows, maybe Voldemort has asked Snape to try? It's just that Harry doesn't know much of Snape's spying tasks so the reader doesn't know much either. Snape can claim that he hasn't succeeded before but now that the Ministry copy of the Prophecy is destroyed, Dumbledore thinks it is necessary to let someone else in on the secret as well.
OK, so we'll use the hypothesis that Voldemort thinks Snape has learned of the attack from the Order and has been very anxious to bring him information since he found out about the defeat.
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Mona Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:24 am
with me." He paused significantly
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- Dumbledore telling Snape the whole prophecy is not canon anyway (Dumbledore tells Harry in the Weasley's broom shed that they were the only ones who had heard the whole prophecy) so let's go ahead and make things up, as long as they aren't too unbelievable.
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Verity Weasley Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:38 am
to let the impact of
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- Will Snape tell him the real prophecy, or twist it a little?
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Re: Potty Game: Five Words (Vol. XIX)
Mona Wed Aug 14, 2013 12:17 pm
his words sink in.
"Proceed!
"Proceed!
I wonder!verity wrote:Will Snape tell him the real prophecy, or twist it a little?
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Julia H. Wed Aug 14, 2013 2:34 pm
" the Dark Lord commanded in
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- I have reread the Prophecy. What is in it that Voldemort cannot know?
"And the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal..." He has already done that so it's too late to do anything about it. "...but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ..." Voldemort won't understand this one anyway so he may as well know it. It may give him some food for thought and some additional worry. "And either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ..." That is to say 'no one can kill Potter for you so don't make anyone try' - that's the important part of the message. "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies..." This has no information value any more.
Snape could withhold information or add things to the Prophecy, but he must do it convincingly. He must at least have a memory of Dumbledore actually telling him those words because Voldemort will want to check everything with Legilimency.
So perhaps the "either must die..." part is the only one that Voldemort should know and then Dumbledore may alter the rest in any way he wants to, to make it true that no one besides Harry and Dumbledore has heard the full text of the Prophecy.
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Re: Potty Game: Five Words (Vol. XIX)
Mona Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:12 am
peremptory tones, "We do not
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- have all day...or something like that
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- "The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches ... born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies ... and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not ... and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives ... the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies ..."
I see your point, Julia. Maybe he can tell him everything except the "he will have power the Dark Lord knows not"? I mean Dumbledore and Severus wouldn't want to get him more alert than necessary...
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Julia H. Thu Aug 15, 2013 2:19 am
have all day!"
"Yes, my
"Yes, my
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- It'll be exciting to rewrite the Prophecy. I wonder what additional info will be included.
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Verity Weasley Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:18 am
Lord. You know the beginning
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- I see your point Julia, and I don't really see the harm in Voldie knowing the full prophecy. I think it's especially important for him to hear the 'either must die at the hand of the other' part, as that will help to protect Harry from random DEs who think they're doing Voldie a favour. I don't object to making any changes, but I also think Snape could tell him the whole prophecy without it being a problem (except for the canon when DD tells Harry the two of them are the only ones who have heard the whole thing.)
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Julia H. Thu Aug 15, 2013 5:56 am
of the Prophecy - I need
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- ... not repeat? It may not be entirely safe to explicitly mention the vanquishing of the Dark Lord at the moment.
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- Verity, that's how I see it, too, it is only because of Dumbledore's words to Harry in canon that we may want to omit or alter something. Then again, if we didn't, it wouldn't be the only time Dumbledore has lied in the books.
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Verity Weasley Thu Aug 15, 2013 6:08 am
not repeat?"
A slight nod
A slight nod
LOL!Julia wrote:It may not be entirely safe to explicitly mention the vanquishing of the Dark Lord at the moment.
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Mona Thu Aug 15, 2013 11:55 am
received. "The rest of it
LOL, Julia!
LOL, Julia!
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