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Post  Elanor on Sat May 28, 2011 2:54 am

Future of Hogwarts?

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Both The Weeny Owl and Nathan Zimmermann suggested this new thread. Nathan wanted to "discuss the future of Hogwarts in light of Albus Dumbledore's Death."
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Weeny Owl - Jul 18, 2005 3:54 am (#1 of 109)
Thanks for this thread, Kip. You and the Mods always rock.

It's nice that we both wanted to discuss this, Nathan.

Will Hogwarts be closed? Will McGonagall cave in to the board of governors if they decide to close the school? If the school remains open, who will be the next Head of Gryffindor?

I think the school will be closed for a while, but that it will reopen before Christmas of the trio's seventh year. I'm not sure they'll actually attend classes, but they will visit the school more than once if only to talk to Dumbledore's portrait.

It's already been mentioned that McGonagall might make Hagrid Head of Gryffindor. I would say no way mainly because he doesn't live in the castle, but how badly burned was his house? Of course magic could probably repair it easily or it could be rebuilt.

Any other ideas about the fate of Hogwarts?

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harrytendulkar - Jul 18, 2005 4:33 am (#2 of 109)

I think end of DD could not be the end of HOGWARTS. There is someone who can take over the Heads Post I am Pretty sure It would be Mcgonagall. As I belive DD is not dead yet, there will be a Plan between DD and McGonagall, that keeping the school running as normal as she can. But, Hogwarts is not as Safe as it was when DD is there, as he is not in Hogwarts there will be a huge hole in the security even harry cant fill that hole.

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essie125 - Jul 18, 2005 4:45 am (#3 of 109)

Jo, of course I think about Alan when I think about Snape, Who wouldn't think about Alan all day every day eh.
Not a lot of people will be willing to send there children to Hogwarts now. But it's not the end of Hogwarts. As soon as the war ends it will be back to normal just as the last time.

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Miss Malaprop - Jul 18, 2005 5:00 am (#4 of 109)

Edited by Jul 18, 2005 5:01 am
Hogwarts was - I mean is - one of my favourite things about the books, and I said somewhere else that the possibility of Hogwarts closing is one of the saddest and scariest things for me.

BUT

from the Edinburgh interview:

"Question: Does that mean that something will stop Snape from being the defence against the dark arts in book 7?

JK Rowling: Yes. I really can't say more than that. That is because one of those questions that is a very good question and everyone would like to know the answer but it gives a lot away. There must obviously be a new one."

(bold mine)

This gives us some hope, doesn't it?

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Grindylow - Jul 18, 2005 5:54 am (#5 of 109)

Good one Miss Malaprop! Definitely sounds like Hogwarts is going to be up and running again!

Is this the latest Edinburgh interview? If so, do you have a link to it?

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Chard11 - Jul 18, 2005 7:02 am (#6 of 109)

I think the reason Snape won't be teaching at Hogwarts next year is because he killed/appeared to have killed, Dumbledore.

Also if you remember what Dumbledore told Harry in Chapter 20-Lord Voldemorts Request- he said "You see, we have never been able to keep a Defence Against the Dark Arts teacher for longer than a year since I refused the post to Lord Voldemort" This leads me to believe Voldemort put some kind or curse on the job, as has been suspected by the students since the beginning.

I am not sure if Hogwarts will stay open or not but I believe Harry will return there.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 18, 2005 7:13 am (#7 of 109)

Some intriguing ideas and points have been raised in other and would like to make some observations.

First, I like the idea of Hagrid becoming the Gryffindor House if Minerva becomes the permanent Headmistress. The Gryffindor's who are upperclassmen respect Hagrid's character and judgment. The first and second years know that the wisest course of action is to follow the action of their Prefects and Quidditch Team Captain who will ensure that Hagrid is shown the respect due to a teacher and Head of House. Additionally the other faculty respects him. The only mark against this as a possibility is the fact that he is not a fully qualified wizard.

Second, I believe Horace Slughorn will permanently assume the duties as Head of Slytherin House. The board of governors will have no quarrel with that because, he was a long time member of the faculty who was liked and respected by Albus Dumbledore.

Third, Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff will remain unchanged.

Fourth, If Minerva becomes Headmistress I believe that one of the Flitwick, Sprout, Slughorn, or Hagrid will occupy the post of Deputy that was vacated on Minerva's promotion.

Fifth, there exists the possibility that the Board of Governors will bring in an outsider allowing Minerva to retain her current positions.

Sixth, the DADA post will be even more complicated to fill.

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mononoke - Jul 18, 2005 7:16 am (#8 of 109)

I think we'll hardly see Hogwarts in book 7th.As we've clearly been told (and also JK confirmed somewhere in her latest interviews,I can't find the exact quote)in the end of HBP,Harry will visit the Dursleys one more time and then,Bill's wedding,after that...he'll go finding Horcruxes,maybe with Ron and Hermione...

But really,how come Harry'd break all the obstacles set up by Voldermort,even Dumbledore had to guess from his own experience...COL..and when he starts his journey,surely,Voldermort and DE will know suddenly...COL...T_T

My guess,the final showdown between LV and Harry will take place at Hogwarts.

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J Hood - Jul 18, 2005 7:50 am (#9 of 109)

Prongs Patronus had an idea that I just loved. The premise was that their would be no houses next year and that the school will be once and for all truely united. I assume that there will be much fewer students next year and the possibility of one united school really intrigues me. This is especially true since we hear about all the houses uniting yet we have seen nothing that suggests that they will.

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i heart remus - Jul 18, 2005 7:51 am (#10 of 109)

All these staff vacancies might leave room for a little known professor (I'm thinking of Vector and Sinistra here) to step into a higher profile role.

If Hogwarts is closed next year, though, it may give us an opportunity to see the Professors out of context, even in their own homes. Didn't JKR say that professors' marital status and out-of-school life was classified for some reason? Maybe a small group of students will continue their education through private home-schooling classes with a few Hogwarts professors.

Wishful thinking on my behalf...

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Mandy Noble - Jul 18, 2005 8:23 am (#11 of 109)

I really like the idea of the school truely uniting, it just makes me wonder which dormitory/common room they would live in. Also, I am torn about whether or not Harry will return. He will, after all, have a house that is entirely his own, and after his birthday in July, I don't see why he wouldn't live there.

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Verbina - Jul 18, 2005 1:15 pm (#12 of 109)

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Except that it is creepy, is known to Voldemort and his followers and comes complete with a screaming painting and a nasty house elf. : shudder :

I don't think Hogwarts will close. The student enrollment will drop drastically though, making houses unnecessary (no house cup) I do think that Harry will start out not intending to return but in the end he will return. We haven't heard much about the Grey Lady like JKR said we would and since the ghosts can't leave the school...he would have to return. McGonagall and a few other teachers are very dedicated to the school and would keep it open even if there was only one student. Hagrid thinks of it as his home, which it has been for a very long time. So I think that Harry will start out looking for Horcruxes and information about Voldemort. But someone will appeal to him about returning to Hogwarts. He will then use it as a base of operations for his search.

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Blaise Zabini - Jul 18, 2005 1:48 pm (#13 of 109)

I agree, Hogwarts will remain open. My thoughts are that Harry will think about not going but probably will end up going back, regardless if he goes to study.

I think that if the trio goes back to school for their seventh year, Hermione will become Head Girl, and Head Boy will be a minor character such as Ernie. I don't believe Harry will be Head Boy if he goes back, because he'll be searching for the Horcuxes.

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Hand Of Glory - Jul 18, 2005 1:57 pm (#14 of 109)

I was just thinking about something that Rowling has said- didn't she say something like

...the last chapter of book seven is a bio of what happens to all the characters in the series after they leave Hogwarts. All the characters that live, that is...

Doesn't this sound like there will most likely be a school year next year?

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Blaise Zabini - Jul 18, 2005 2:03 pm (#15 of 109)

Yeah! I completely missed that! Good find, Hand of Glory.

The clues are now all adding up..they need a new DADA teacher, the last chapter of book seven is about everyone's life after leaving Hogwarts--it all adds up!

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Potions Mistress - Jul 18, 2005 2:19 pm (#16 of 109)

Politicians and diapers need to be changed for the same reason.--Anon.
I don't think Hogwarts will close. First, it's been the major setting of the current 6 books and I just don't see JKR completely "abandoing" the school. Second, DD's spirit/nobility/whatever-you-choose-to-call-it still lives on in the school. And he still has a lot of people loyal to him, even if he is physically dead. Lastly, I think in light of the DE's attack on Hogwarts, we will see the Houses unite, regardless of how many students come back to Hogwarts.

~pm

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Miss Malaprop - Jul 18, 2005 2:19 pm (#17 of 109)

Grindylow, I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post outside links but you can find the transcript of the interview with the cub reporters on CBBC Newsround - there is a link to it at the Leaky Cauldron.

I can't find it anywhere, but I'm sure JKR mentions "Ravenclaw coming into their own" or "you'll see more of Ravenclaw" or the like, which is another hopeful sign pointing towards Hogwarts (and houses) in year 7.

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Adam Elliott - Jul 18, 2005 4:15 pm (#18 of 109)

Being a new poster on this site, not sure if anyone else's brought this up, but since McG is going to be Headmistress, who's going to teach Transfigurations? If Albus couldn't pull double duty, I don't think McG could either. As far as the school opening or not, I really don't have any doubts as to wether or not it will. They will mention something about doing what Albus had wanted, pushing forward and doing what's best for the students, etc.

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L. Evans - Jul 18, 2005 4:34 pm (#19 of 109)

I like the idea of there being fewer students- or rather I don't, but I feel like it could work within the books. Some teachers might be able to teach more classes because of that fact. I imagine a very sparse first day with students scattered at the tables in nervous lumps. Wouldn't it be great if after a few days someone moved tables and then all of a sudden everyone just shunted right over and sat together except for few die-hard Slytherins!

Smile

I would like the school to remain at least partially open, and I think if it does Harry will be present, if not attending classes regularly.

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Oruma - Jul 18, 2005 5:50 pm (#20 of 109)

I think many of you guys may think of this irrelevant & unimportant at this stage of the story, but after re-reading the "Phoenix Lament" (chapter 29), I can't help thinking: will Harry, shall he return to Hogwarts in book 7, become Head Boy just like his father? Or will Ron and Hermione be the Head Boy & Girl?

hmm...

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Verbina - Jul 18, 2005 7:30 pm (#21 of 109)

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Actually, if Harry was Head Boy, it would give him greater freedom in the school. Remember when Percy (grrr) was able to go just about anywhere in the book to meet up with Penelope? That could be an advantage to Harry if he is searching for something like a Horcrux.

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Hawthorn32 - Jul 18, 2005 10:33 pm (#22 of 109)

I think that Hogwarts will remain open for the following reasons:

1. Despite the "death" of Dumbledore, no student was killed or seriously injured. Consequently, enough parents will believe that their children are as well off at Hogwarts, if not more well off, than they are at home, given the state of the wizarding world.

2. JKR needs a place for Harry to "headquarter", and Privet Drive, 12 Grimmauld Place and the Burrow, from a literary point of view do not seem suitable, particularly if he is to be in frequent contact with Ron & Hermione.

3. Dumbledore's & Snape's pensieves, from what we know, appear to still be at Hogwarts and may provide Harry with important information. If Dumbledore knew that "his time" was near he may have left some memories (i.e. what happened at Godric's Hollow) for Harry to scan. Also, for "know thine enemy" reasons, he may want to know more about Snape.

4. Dumbledore may also have provided spells to his portrait that will assist Harry in his quest and eventual showdown with LV.

5. If Hogwarts closes then Dumbledore is truly dead because there is no one there to remember/support him.

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frogface - Jul 19, 2005 6:07 am (#23 of 109)

I would think that the death of the headmaster would unsettle parents just as much as the death of a student, and just because Hogwarts doesn't continue as a school that doesn't mean that some people may stay on there for some reason or other. Personally I think Hogwarts will close for a time but will re-open once Voldemort has been defeated.

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i heart remus - Jul 19, 2005 6:32 am (#24 of 109)

L.Evans Razz I think you've got it.

"I would like the school to remain at least partially open, and I think if it does Harry will be present, if not attending classes regularly. "

It just doesn't make sense for Harry to lose ALL access to Hogwarts, because he still needs to find out where the horcruxes (which I am presuming are hidden in relicts of the Hogwarts founders' posessions) have been hidden, and I think this information is probably somewhere inside Hogwarts.

I also think that Mrs Weasley would never stand for it if Harry were to quit school completely at such a young age. ha ha ha.

...and wouldn't it be cool if Harry's final showdown with Voldemort was in the Divination tower?

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Muggle Doctor - Jul 19, 2005 6:48 am (#25 of 109)

I support the school staying open and Harry returning to it from time to time, if only because he realises that Dumbledore - in his portrait - is now effectively immortal a la Obi-Wan:

If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!

...and can give him plenty of advice.

(Pictures Harry going back to Privet Drive, catching Dudders watching "Star Wars" and hearing Obi-Wan saying the words, and realises what Dumbledore's death was all about. JKR, will you PLEASE talk to George Lucas about getting permission for this? It would work SO WELL!)

OTOH, Harry's absence from Hogwarts might mean that the story is told from others' perspective for a few chapters. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

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Verbina - Jul 19, 2005 7:08 am (#26 of 109)

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Actually, Hogwarts would be a perfect place to operate the Order from. Voldemort knows about the order and knows who some of the members are. The house at Grimmauld place is okay but it does not have the protection that Hogwarts does...no appirating, the ghosts of the place not to mention the house elves....those little guys could be a huge asset yet! I mean, look at it. Even with secrecy and sneak attack, the attack on Hogwarts was not totally successful.

Besides, I would dearly love for Harry to go back to the Room of Requirement and fidn out what some of that stuff is in there!

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mike miller - Jul 19, 2005 7:20 am (#27 of 109)

aka The Barmy Old Codger
I think Hogwarts will play a critical role in book 7. Voldemort has an ossession with the founders, DD's portrait is there as well as one of Harry's favorite people, Hagrid.

I like the idea of there being only one house due to reduced enrollment.

Overall, I'm reasonable sure that Hogwarts will continue. It has survived for over 1,000 years and there must certainly been times of turmoil in the past. I think JKR has said, in response to an interview question, that at only one person from Harry's year will someday teach at Hogwarts. That seems to indicate the Hogwarts will continue as a Wizarding school, although it may be closed for a term.

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waltmeier - Jul 19, 2005 12:52 pm (#28 of 109)

Wendy

Not sure if someone has already brought this up. I'm not even sure if this is the right place for this to go! When DD was "AK'd" and the magic he performed on Harry was undone, does this mean the magic he performed all around Hogwarts is undone as well?????

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septentrion - Jul 19, 2005 12:58 pm (#29 of 109)

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Good question. I don't think so. Every spell don't lift after the death of their caster. Think of Mrs Black's portrait : the sticking charm was cast by someone dead by now but the charm remains.

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Enchanted Spoons - Jul 19, 2005 5:28 pm (#30 of 109)

There seems to be general agreement on the future of Hogwarts. Whether Harry is attending regularly or not, Hogwarts will be open. There will be Ernie Macmillan type students, "My family and I decided that the best way to support the war against He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named was to support DD's legacy and attend Hogwarts." Students at Hogwarts will not be in any MORE danger than they would at home either.

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Blaise Zabini - Jul 19, 2005 8:58 pm (#31 of 109)

I think many of you guys may think of this irrelevant & unimportant at this stage of the story, but after re-reading the "Phoenix Lament" (chapter 29), I can't help thinking: will Harry, shall he return to Hogwarts in book 7, become Head Boy just like his father? Or will Ron and Hermione be the Head Boy & Girl?

I doubt that Harry will be Head Boy...and it isn't necessarily going to be Hermione and Ron; there are the other houses too!

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mischa fan - Jul 19, 2005 9:31 pm (#32 of 109)

Easy being green, it is not
I don't think Harry will return to Hogwarts to become Head Boy, I am not sure Ron and Hermione will either, I think they are going to go off with Harry to help him kill He Who Must Not Be Named.

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OkieAngel - Jul 19, 2005 11:02 pm (#33 of 109)

Here's my two knuts worth: I think Hogwarts will be back and open for classes in the seventh book. I think that Harry will return, after some serious conversations from the likes of McGonagall, Molly, Hermione, and possibly even Remus, who will point out that even if he doesn't attend classes on a regular basis, it would be in the best interests of the school and it's students if he was there. If somebody puts it to him in this fashion (It's your duty to be there and DD would expect no less from you), then I don't see him shunning that responsibility. Plus, Ginny will be there, along with Neville and probably Luna. Along with the main trio, these three once again showed that they were willing to stand and fight the good fight, just like they did at the DOM. My gut instinct says that they will play a part in the big battles to come as well. I feel that the final confrontation will be at Hogwarts, because LV has already shown an obsession with the school and it's secrets, with DD "gone" I'm sure he's ready to breeze in and tear the place apart. Which is why Harry is going to need to be there to prevent it.

As for the other stuff, the positions and heads, I'm not sure. I think if Minerva stays on as Headmistress, then Flitwick would be a good Deputy. I don't see the governors being keen on allowing a non-qualified, ex-convict be Deputy Headmaster or the Head of Gryffindor, because they are snobby like that. I think Hermione is a shoo-in for Head Girl, not sure about Head Boy. Ernie, or Justin maybe. I would be shocked if Harry got the honor, but they could decide to give it to him to try and convince him that his leadership was needed at the school. I can see the teachers pulling double duty, teaching several subjects, especially if enrollment is way down.



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Amilia Smith - Jul 19, 2005 11:11 pm (#34 of 109)

I am rather comforted by reading this thread. The thought of a HP book with no Dumbledore, no Hogwarts, and possibly no Ron and Hermione was very upsetting. It was bad enough reading a HP book with no Dumbledore Tells All scene, and Snape turning out to be a bad guy after all. (Yes, I know, I've read the arguments, but I'm not going to believe them until I see it in print.)

I am finding the loss of the Formula almost more upsetting than the loss of Dumbledore. ***ducks dungbombs***

Mills.

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Prongs Patronus - Jul 20, 2005 10:10 am (#35 of 109)



So--if the Houses unite, and become one, will there be a new House--maybe House Dumbledore, to show solidarity? (Rather like Dumbledore's Army)

I think that the students who decide to return will see the necessity of this. I think Ron will be Head Boy, thus fulfilling his vision in the Mirror of Erised; Harry will give the captaincy to him, for the sake of time.

I suppose I am torn; I want Harry to finish school, but I also think that he has work to do. Perhaps an arrangement will be made; after all, Professor McGonagall is a member of the Order, as well.

Although Dumbledore did not create Hogwarts, he made it into his legacy, I think. I am a great believer in loyalty. I think there are plenty of Wizarding families out there who will honor his courage and memory by showing confidence in the school.

PP

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Kazius - Jul 20, 2005 1:37 pm (#36 of 109)

Skeptic
That's wasn't a vision in the Mirror, it was his wish. Just like Harry's wish was to see his parents once, which is why his parents appeared to him in the mirror.

I believe the school will be in full force, with some people not showing, but still a large majority attending. There is no point in hiding from LV and waiting for him to gradually kill off the wizarding community. This fits into a theory I intend on developing and posting after I reread HBP.

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Prongs Patronus - Jul 20, 2005 2:26 pm (#37 of 109)

Harry did see his parents once. They emerged from the wand of Lord Voldemort.

PP

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Kazius - Jul 20, 2005 3:13 pm (#38 of 109)

Skeptic
That still doesn't alienate my point, he never saw his actual parents, just a ghostly visage.

I was merely eliminating the notion that the Mirror of Erisad predicts the future. I believe Dumbledore stated something along the lines of it only shows what one wants to see, and we've been told by JKR that Dumbledore's word is practically wizarding law.

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Deb Zawacki - Jul 20, 2005 5:38 pm (#39 of 109)

Is "Imobilus" a spell or a charm--and does that matter?

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septentrion - Jul 21, 2005 2:12 am (#40 of 109)

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In Jo's second part interview, she says Luna's commentary of the Quidditch match was the last Quidditch in the series. So maybe there won't be enough students coming back at school ot have decent Quidditch teams.

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Kazius - Jul 21, 2005 2:17 am (#41 of 109)

Skeptic
I have a feeling, it implies that Harry's time at Hogwarts will be extremely limited, and quite definently not fulltime.

Harry will probably not be able to attend practices between helping the Order(Which I believe he will be allowed to join) along with hunting down the Horcruxes.

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septentrion - Jul 21, 2005 6:23 am (#42 of 109)

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I have been thinking of the possible consequences of a closed school in time of war and got some ideas :

I don't think it to be a good thing to close the school. They have to think of the future. They don't know how long the war will last. If it lasts for years, they'll need trained people to fight and to rebuild when it's over. You can make a comparison with countries which have been on war for several decades : the lack of education of entire generations of young people makes the after-war look gloom. Of course hogwarts will be in danger, but not more than any other location in England. And the teachers seem more than able to fight to protect the children.

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Joanne R. Reid - Jul 21, 2005 10:14 am (#43 of 109)

Hi,

1. I don't think that Hogwarts will be closed. It has survived a thousand years. It is one of the few places on earth where children can recieve an education in the arts and crafts of witchcraft and wizardry. It has a strong faculty, devoted to the children. And, the wazarding community has comes to rely upon it. Every candidate for every position in the WW is screened for their OWLs and the NEWTs.

2. I don't see how Harry can go off to find Horcruces and fight Voldemort without significantly improving his skills. We all knew that Occlumency was important. Now we know that it is critical. We have seen it employed by Snape, and we know that Draco has mastered it as well. This skill makes them both more than capable of defeating Harry, Ron or Hermione.

Further, although we have seen the Pensieve work, Harry doesn't know its secrets. For instance, he still can't get out of a memory once he's in it. Further, Snape's potion book is just too good to leave behind, especially considering Harry's limited knowledge in this area. We all saw him fail miserably when he tried to analyze a poison and concoct a remedy for it.

To me, this suggests that HRH will become the nucleus of a renewed Order of the Phoenix. Perhaps with the direct help of McGonagall, Slughorn et al, the DA can rejuvenate itself, becoming the springboard Harry needs to defeat Voldemort.

I worry that if Harry is so foolish as to attack Voldemort with the skills he has now, he will be killed with consumate ease.

Thanks,

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jul 21, 2005 10:21 am (#44 of 109)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
Future of Hogwarts-

I believe Hogwarts absolutely HAS to continue, and remain in the hands of the "Good side".

I believe Dumbledore was on the right track, but not entirely correct.

From his own words, consider this...

"Hogwarts was where he had been happiest; the first and only place he had felt at home." DD HBP 431 Scholastic

Voldemort tried two times to come back to Hogwarts to teach. First Dippit told him he was to young at eighteen, the second time ten plus years later when DD was Headmaster. "Oh, you want to come back to Hogwarts, but you do not want to teach anymore than you wanted to when you were eighteen. What is it you're after, Tom? Why not try an open request for once?" DD, HBP 445

Lord Voldemort collects trophies of his victims, from his orphanage days on.

"Lord Voldemort liked to collect trophies, and he preferred objects with a powerful magic history. His pride and belief in his own superiority, his determination to carve for himself a startling place in magical history; these things suggest to me that Voldemort would have chosen his Horcruxes with some care, favoring objects worthy of the honor." DD, HBP 504

I think he originally intended to use the trinkets of the Founders, the ring, the locket, but then decided the greatest trophy of all would be Hogwarts itself!

"What intrigued and alarmed me the most was that that diary had been intended as a weapon as much as a safeguard." DD, HBP 500

What better weapon to use against the Wizarding World than its own children?

First, Dumbledore had to be removed from the picture, as had been tried before in previous books, then in HBP seemingly for good. We now have a MOM that most of us feel uneasy about, Umbridge is still around and you know looking for revenge. Remember, Voldemort operates best by stealth.

I do not believe the seventh Horcrux has been made, I believed Hogwarts is to become the vessel to hold the seventh part of Voldemorts soul, and that Harry's is the death intended to make it!

Hogwarts MUST stand! I hope Harry remembers something else Dumbledore said way back in SS/PS, "...it became clear to me that the place I should be was the one I had just left."

...toddles off to avoid incoming dungbombs...




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Verbina - Jul 21, 2005 10:52 am (#45 of 109)

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Does anyone know...the last time Voldie was in power, did Hogwarts close then? I don't recall anything mentioned about it that's why I ask.

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Hand Of Glory - Jul 21, 2005 12:14 pm (#46 of 109)

Well I seem to like the idea that there won't be houses next year if Hogwarts stays open ( I think it will) because the student body would be quite smaller - I don't know who was the first to suggest this... This would terminate Quidditch because there would be no one to play against ...

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Hem Hem - Jul 21, 2005 4:59 pm (#47 of 109)

And the Sorting Hat would be pretty happy. Such a situation would thematically sut the series finale perfectly. I hope it happens.

Edit: Hermione could still be Head Girl, too!

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rassannassar - Jul 21, 2005 7:21 pm (#48 of 109)



I posted on another thread my thoughts about what the Horcrux was that was something of either Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's. I said that it could be the Sorting Hat. The Sorting Hat has obvious history within Hogwarts having once been Godric Gryffindor's and also being the thing that sorted students into the four houses since the founders died or whatever happened to them. and when Voldemort asked DD for the teaching job may be he put part of his soul into the sorting hat then. Maybe he didn't need a wand or words to seperate part of his soul. And isn't the best place to hide something in plain view because who would think that something is hidden in such an obvious place.

This ties into the previous statement because if the four houses were so diminished from a reduced enrollment, there wouldn't be much need for the sorting hat because i think that after the war with LV is over there will be complete, or almost complete, unity within the wizarding world. While the Sorting Hat may sing of unity it's presence is a symbol of enmity. The destruction of it (of course in the process of destroying the Horcruxes) may be the thing that at last ensures that, at least in Hogwarts, they will be united forever, or at least a long time.

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Deb Zawacki - Jul 22, 2005 5:46 am (#49 of 109)

Why do people keep saying that Quidditch would have to end? It's a sport, not a function of the houses--people could form their own teams and that way maybe more people would come out and new talent be discovered-- Maybe some of the local teams could use it for practice or a clinic--maybe Madame Hooch will retire and Wood will return as coach LOL

Or maybe there are other sports like Wizard track and Broomstick Gymnastics-- maybe we could actually see Hermione fly--which of yet we haven't seen....perhaps she can't? Wizard Chess tournaments---Charms and transfiguration competitions...

In spite of all the nastiness Quidditch was one of the unifying aspects of Hogwarts where everyone came to support the teams and one another--even if at times with poor sportsmanship.

I can't see Hogwarts re-opening as sort of a bootcamp for wizard soldiers where the whole purpose of instruction was to create soldiers out of students---

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Deb Zawacki - Jul 22, 2005 5:50 am (#50 of 109)

EXACTLY! Whatever did happen to the founders? Whre are their portraits? Are THEY not obliged to help the current headmaster/mistress.

I think that THEY should returnn in the end-- maybe evn dragging old Salazar along....
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Weeny Owl - Jul 22, 2005 7:44 am (#51 of 109)
Or maybe there are other sports like Wizard track and Broomstick Gymnastics-- maybe we could actually see Hermione fly--which of yet we haven't seen....perhaps she can't?

Before school started, Ron, Ginny, Harry, and Hermione were playing Quidditch. She wasn't very good, but she was playing. Also, in the first book in the room with the flying keys, they were all on brooms trying to get to the key.

I'm not sure it's that Quidditch has to end, but JKR did say that the sixth book held the last Quidditch match she would have to write. Either they don't play Quidditch or Harry turns the reins over to someone else because he's busy elsewhere.

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Lorna Brown - Jul 25, 2005 8:30 am (#52 of 109)

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A long shot, but what if Harry is the new DADA teacher? He's already shown he can do it with DA, he would also be the student that becomes a teacher.

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Weeny Owl - Jul 25, 2005 10:03 am (#53 of 109)

It isn't impossible, Lorna, but I do believe it's highly unlikely for a couple of reasons.

One reason is that Harry hasn't completed school, so no matter how gifted he might be, he wouldn't know what should be taught in seventh year. Plus, if he's at school in seventh year, he would be going to his own classes and wouldn't have the time to deal with all the paperwork such as grading essays.

Secondly, his mission now is to find the Horcruxes and if he's teaching, he definitely wouldn't have the time for that.

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Lorna Brown - Jul 25, 2005 12:52 pm (#54 of 109)

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I hear you Weeny Owl, it was just a momentary thought that has now flickered out. I do wonder whether he will resurrect DA briefly if he returns to Hogwarts at all.

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Madam Pince - Jul 25, 2005 2:38 pm (#55 of 109)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I think Hogwarts will remain open. There may be fewer students, but it almost has to remain open and Harry will have to attend so he can have access to Dumbledore's portrait, etc. Plus there's the whole "we won't give in to terror" aspect of it -- it would just stink to allow Voldy and the DEs to rule everyone's lives before they've even conquered anything.

Also, I don't see why JKR would've made her wizarding school have a 7-year program, and plan to write seven books, if she didn't plan to have them attend in the seventh year. Why not just make Hogwarts a 6-year school to begin with, and have the story continue after graduation?

Deb, I think the only reason people are predicting Quidditch will end is because of the JKR interview where she said she had written her last Quidditch match when Luna was the commentator. So either there won't be Quidditch, or we just won't see any of the games. I can see Harry possibly resigning his position on the team if he is going to have to spend a great deal of time away from school in his final year out chasing Horcruxes and so forth.

It is an interesting idea that the number of students may decrease to the point of dispelling with having separate houses. I like that.

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Wolfcire - Jul 25, 2005 5:51 pm (#56 of 109)

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I have to agree with most the comments I read. I feel it would betray the style of writing that has become of the Harry Potter Series. I feel that Harry will have a short stay at the Dursley's and that he will search for the Horcruxes during the summer months. I do feel he will return. I don't think that any of the Order would allow him to just not go. They will want him to carry on his education. There is so much he still needs to learn in order to defeat the challenges that await him.

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Verbina - Jul 25, 2005 6:11 pm (#57 of 109)

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Odd idea... at the end of GoF, Dumbledore told those from Beauxbatons and Durmstrang that if they ever wanted to, they could come to Hogwarts. We have been told we will see Krum again...and Durmstrang focused on the Dark Arts in their school, not to mention Krum made it plain he liked the Hogwarts school. Now wouldn't that put Ron's tongue in a knot!

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Madam Pince - Jul 25, 2005 7:16 pm (#58 of 109)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
That's an interesting idea, Verbina. I had forgotten that JKR told us we'd see Krum again.

One other point I forgot to make earlier -- although JKR has said she doesn't write her books for children but rather for herself, the fact remains that they are widely read by a young audience. She has already established an example of how it can be OK to not finish your education and still be successful in life (which is very valid) by giving us Fred and George. However, I think parents everywhere will feel a bit shortchanged if she lets her hero skip out on finishing his formal education -- particularly when critics everywhere are praising JKR for single-handedly increasing the number of readers among our youth by a million-fold or so. That's just another reason why I think Hogwarts will remain open and Harry will remain a student.

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Snuffles - Jul 26, 2005 2:21 am (#59 of 109)

Olivia
We have been told that Durmstrang actually teaches the dark arts not just the defensive side of it. Maybe Krum will be the one who helps Harry discover the other Horcruxes and helps to destroy them.

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Hogwarts Class of 85 - Jul 26, 2005 4:45 am (#60 of 109)

Interesting idea Verbina, but wouldn't Krum have graduated by now?

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Alex Thorpe - Jul 26, 2005 5:34 am (#61 of 109)

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2/3 years ago, in fact. How about DADA teacher, if Harry can't do it?

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Wolfcire - Jul 26, 2005 8:32 am (#62 of 109)

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I don't think Harry could teach the whole studnt body DADA, specially since he hasn't mastered non-verbal spells. Also, with the amount of responsibilties he already has it would be to much.

Snuffel's had a good theory with Krum assisting Harry. Maybe they will meat over the Summer and either teach Harry some new tricks or assist Harry.

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Steve Newton - Jul 26, 2005 8:35 am (#63 of 109)

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In the past Harry has quickly learned what he has to. I think that now that he knows that it is important he will have nonverbal spells under control very shortly.

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Snuffles - Jul 26, 2005 8:46 am (#64 of 109)

Olivia
When Harry is chasing Snape, Harry starts to think Levi...... and Snape shouts "No Potter" so I don't think nonverbal spells will be a problem for him anymore.

Harry seems unable to master things when under pressure in class but when there is a great need, i.e. chasing Snape he managed a nonverbal spell and in POA, he had trouble with the Patronus spell but managed when playing Quidditch to cast it no trouble at Malfoy and co.

He seems to underestimate himself alot, I just hope he realises this before the big showdown with LV.

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lurking-one - Jul 26, 2005 10:43 am (#65 of 109)

Not only will Harry have to master non-verbal spells, he also needs to master Occlumency, especially when he plans to face Snape and Voldemort.

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Mrs. D. - Jul 26, 2005 10:43 am (#66 of 109)

Alex: I think you are on to something! I think Viktor just might hold the DADA position in year 7. It is a really good reason to bring him around again.

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Nathan Zimmermann - Jul 26, 2005 10:46 am (#67 of 109)

Viktor might able to help Harry master Occulmency and non-verbal spells because, Harry has a great deal of respect for him and his abilities.

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Verbina - Jul 26, 2005 12:18 pm (#68 of 109)

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Actually that is what I was thinking but got pulled away from the computer before I could type it. Sad But yes, Krum would have graduated, has been educated in the Dark Arts, likes Hogwarts and we have been told we will see him again. Seems to point to a possible DADA position. Though, will he be old enough to be offered the position? Enough experience?

Though...if the school attendence is low, the effects of the death of DD (headmaster killed in the school) and the DADA position is still cursed which it seems...they may not have a choice in the matter.

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OkieAngel - Jul 26, 2005 6:41 pm (#69 of 109)

Well, wouldn't that pose an interesting dilemna to R/H's budding romance for Krum to come to Hogwart's as the new DADA professor? It would provide plenty of fodder for drama and humor, even if it could be construed as inappropriate (student/teacher fraternization).



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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jul 26, 2005 8:17 pm (#70 of 109)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
Oh my Okie! That would muddy the already murky waters, and be a HOOT to boot!

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Mrs. D. - Jul 26, 2005 9:09 pm (#71 of 109)

Krum returning to Hogwarts would be a catalyst to get Ron finally serious about fessing up to Hermione how he feels.

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TwinklingBlueEyes - Jul 27, 2005 12:06 am (#72 of 109)

"Character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking"
Alas, now we are entering into that dangerous riptide called "ships" so topic needs to move back to the thread topic or sail off for the Ship thread methinks.

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Robert Dierken - Jul 27, 2005 6:37 pm (#73 of 109)

I think that Hogwart's must remain open because Hermione will need to look up something in the library!

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LooneyLuna - Jul 28, 2005 5:28 pm (#74 of 109)

I think Hogwarts will remain open - even if only one student wants to come there, as Prof. Sprout said. At some point in book 7, Harry has to return to Hogwarts, not to take classes, but to complete his education. He'll need to do research and practice before his final showdown with Voldemort.

Just my two knuts. Anyone want to join me in a glass of elf-made wine?

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Deb Zawacki - Jul 31, 2005 6:48 am (#75 of 109)

Based on first names, what are the origins of the four founders--supposedly the greatest wizards of their ages--this would not necessarily make them all Brits and would their school predate the other academies?

Salazar--Middle East? Orient? Dragons and serpents--- Helga--Eastern European? Godric--Celtic? Lion is a prominent symbol of British rule Rowena---?? don't know....

(not a Yank among the bunch.....)

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Susurro Notities - Jul 31, 2005 7:35 am (#76 of 109)

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Deb,

The beauty of us Yanks is we come from everywhere! Maybe they were all Yanks! - No just kidding.

I think they were all British. The books have documented a tradition of odd WW names. It is possible that when the founders were named the fashion was to name children something ethnic instead of something decidedly different like Nymphadora, Andromeda, Porpentina, Dedalus, Vindictus...

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Saralinda Again - Jul 31, 2005 8:42 am (#77 of 109)

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Godric is Anglo-Saxon. So is Rowena.

I think JKR just picked them because they're really cool-sounding names. And in the UK and US, we steal names from everyone.

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Susurro Notities - Jul 31, 2005 9:04 am (#78 of 109)

The US is made up of people from all over the globe. Many children here are rightfully named according to their heritage. Additionally because the US has folks from everywhere people develop friendships with others from diverse cultures. It would fit that some would name children after friends.

It goes the other way too. I have a wonderful Chinese friend who has a son named David!

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Wizadora - Aug 1, 2005 2:02 pm (#79 of 109)

I think it is wonderful that Krum would be the next DADA teacher, but lets hope that Harry finishes off LV and the curse lifts, otherwise it will be a short stint for Krummy.

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Paulus Maximus - Aug 1, 2005 2:41 pm (#80 of 109)

Look at the bright (or not so bright) side... Only one or two of those DADA teachers actually died...

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Nathan Zimmermann - Aug 1, 2005 8:24 pm (#81 of 109)

At the welcoming feast for the 1995-1996 school year the Sorting Hat sang the following song:

In times of old when I was new and Hogwarts barely started the founders of our noble school thought never to be parted: united by a common goal, they had the selfsame yearning, to make the world's best magic school and pass along their learning. "Together we will build and teach!" the four good friends decided and never did they dream that they might someday be divided, for were there such friends anywhere as Slytherin and Gryffindor? Unless it was the second pair of Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw? So how could it have gone so wrong? How could such friendships fail? Why, I was there and so can tell the whole sad sorry tale. Said Slytherin, "We'll teach just those whose ancestry is purest." Said Ravenclaw, "We'll teach those whose intelligence is surest." Said Gryffindor, "We'll teach all those with brave deeds to their name." Said Hufflepuff, "I'll teach the lot, and treat them just the same."

These differences caused little strife when first they came to light, for each of the four founders had a House in which they might take only those they wanted, so, for instance, Slytherin took only pure-blood wizards of great cunning, just like him, and only those of sharpest mind were taught by Ravenclaw, while the bravest and the boldest went to daring Gryffindor. Good Hufflepuff, she took the rest, and taught them all she knew, thus the Houses and their founders retained friendships firm and true.

So Hogwarts worked in harmony for several happy years, but then discord crept among us feeding on our faults and fears. The Houses that, like pillars four, had once held up our school, now turned upon each other and, divided, sought to rule. And for a while it seemed the school must meet an early end, what with dueling and with fighting and the clash of friend on friend. And at last there came a morning when old Slytherin departed and though the fighting then died out he left us quite downhearted. And never since the founders four were whittled down to three have the Houses been united as they once were meant to be.

And now the Sorting Hat is here and you all know the score: I sort you into Houses because that is what I'm for, but this year I'll go further, listen closely to my song: though condemned I am to split you still I worry that it's wrong, though I must fulfill my duty and must quarter every year still I wonder whether sorting may not bring the end I fear. Oh, know the perils, read the signs, the warning history shows, for our Hogwarts is in danger from external, deadly foes and we must unite inside her or we'll crumble from within I have told you, I have warned you... let the Sorting now begin.

On the Slughorn thread Vlad asserted that the time for uniting the Houses has passed. His commentary got me thinking, is it possible that Hogwarts as we know it has perished in flame like a phoenix. Also, from the ashes Hogwarts will arise like a phoenix from the ashes of Dumbledore's death renewed through the efforts of Gryffindor, Ravenclaw, Hufflepuff, and the non-Death Eater affiliated Slytherin's led by Slughorn.

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Ludicrous Patents Office - Aug 5, 2005 7:40 pm (#82 of 109)

I like the idea of Hogwarts rising from the ashes with the Houses united. I just can't believe that a place so magically powerful would be deserted. I agree with Professor Sprout, if only one student wants to be taught they should keep the doors open. LPO

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Finn BV - Aug 6, 2005 12:21 pm (#83 of 109)

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Spoken like a true Hufflepuff, she did! I agree, LPO, anybody would then be free to invade Hogwarts… hmm… perhaps looking for something… something that is related to a theory beginning with H and ending with X and containing the letters "orcru" in the middle…

No, there's too much going on at Hogwarts for it to close down.

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HungarianHorntail11 - Aug 10, 2005 10:21 am (#84 of 109)

The heart sees deeper than the eye.
Nathan, thanks for posting that song. I kind of took that song literally. Maybe this year they won't sort and everyone will belong under Hogwarts. I don't remember any info. regarding Durmstrang or Beauxbatons separating their students, so perhaps HW will no longer do so. The rivalry would dissolve eventually, wouldn't it? It certainly would strengthen the unity within the school.

At the end of Book 6, the HW students were described as scattered throughout the school and scared. Perhaps this is when they're at their worst and will now stand united with a regained strength and morale.

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Chemyst - Aug 15, 2005 1:34 pm (#85 of 109)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
(not a Yank among the bunch.....) - Deb Z.
Since Hogwarts is roughly a thousand years old, from its founding it would be another 500 years until Nick's deathday Columbus's voyage, 600 years before there were permanent settlements of Europeans in the New World, 775 years until there were cries to declare independence, so if there had been Yank, at a rate where one spin = one hour, that is 6,793,505 spins of the Time Turner before it would be possible. ('fingers tired yet?)

we must unite inside her or we'll crumble from within – Sorting Hat
McGonagall's hastily called teachers meeting seemed to show the staff was fairly united, but I found it a bit troubling that she was so willing to "let the board of governors decide." I'd have preferred that the teachers had written a recommendation to propose to the board.

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Madam Pince - Aug 15, 2005 2:22 pm (#86 of 109)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
I noticed that, too, Chemyst. I couldn't help but think "No way would Dumbledore have just let the board of governors decide, not without a bit of nudging at least."

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Troels Forchhammer - Aug 17, 2005 7:38 am (#87 of 109)

It is useless to meet revenge with revenge: it will heal nothing. - Frodo Baggins, /The Return of the King/ (J.R.R. Tolkien)
Chemyst wrote in message #85

Since Hogwarts is roughly a thousand years old, from its founding it would be another 500 years until Nick's deathday Columbus's voyage, 600 years before there were permanent settlements of Europeans in the New World, [...]
What do you consider ‘permanent settlements’? There were viking settlements on Newfoundland about the year 1000, and they remained there for some years ...

Evidence that some of them remained or mixed with the native population is, however, probably faked.

Regards,
Troels


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Chemyst - Aug 20, 2005 9:57 am (#88 of 109)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
What do you consider ‘permanent settlements’? - Troels

There were many false starts and failures in colonizing the new world. In this context, where Deb, post #75, was commenting on a the possibility of "Yank" founding Hogwarts,

Based on first names, what are the origins of the four founders--supposedly the greatest wizards of their ages--this would not necessarily make them all Brits and would their school predate the other academies? ... (not a Yank among the bunch.....)
As I was saying, in this context, a permanent settlement would be one that stuck around long enough to directly influence the declaration and formation of an independent United States. Viking settlements and seasonal fishing camps, while being around for a long time, had negligible political influence on future Yankees. For this, the settlements of the early 1600s, influenced by such ideas as Thomas Hooker's preaching that the foundation of authority is laid in the free consent of the people, would be considered "permanent" because they were continuously inhabited with people, ideas, and philosophies that led directly to the establishment of Yankee culture.

... but mostly, I just had this little cartoon in my head of a colonial soldier in his blue coat and three-cornered hat, desperately spinning his little time-turner, developing carpal tunnel, trying to get back to found a school of witchcraft and wizardry.


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Matrona - Sep 11, 2005 10:14 pm (#89 of 109)

I cannot imagine Hogwarts being closed in the seventh book. Hogwarts is the only wizarding school in Britain. If it closed, where would Britain's witches and wizards learn magic? Children of wizarding parents would be homeschooled, probably, but what about Muggle-borns? Didn't Salazar Slytherin build the Chamber of Secrets so that his heir would one day purge the school of all those "unworthy to study magic"? What better way to accomplish his goal, than to close Hogwarts and thereby condemn Muggle-born wizards to ignorance of their abilities, leaving them unable to reach their magical potential?

Hogwarts has to remain open. They might not have as many students, but it is vital to the wizarding world to train its young members, as many as will come, to use their magic responsibly, especially those who would have no other way of learning about their powers, and those considered "unworthy". Dumbledore opened the school to people who otherwise wouldn't have been allowed to attend (Hagrid, Lupin)--I think it would be the best tribute to Dumbledore's spirit if they kept the school open.

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Choices - Sep 12, 2005 6:43 pm (#90 of 109)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Well said Matrona - I agree. Long live Hogwarts!!

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Madam Pince - Sep 13, 2005 6:53 am (#91 of 109)

The eyes are the windows to the soul...
Excellent post, Matrona! Very well stated. If Hogwarts was closed, it would tickle Voldemort to pieces, and we certainly can't have that.

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RoseMorninStar - Sep 14, 2005 12:13 am (#92 of 109)

I live in the Shire. It looks a lot like Wisconsin, USA
Madame Pince...well, perhaps it would be a good thing to tickle Voldemort to pieces!!

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Esther Rose - Sep 14, 2005 6:56 am (#93 of 109)

Well, actually, Voldemort is already in pieces. Thats why he is still alive. Because Harry need to find all of Voldemort's pieces. =D

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Phlegm452 - Oct 1, 2005 10:33 am (#94 of 109)

JKR said in an interview that the new Gryffindor Beaters would be new finds by a new captian. So that suggests Hogwarts will reopen, and that Harry won't be there.

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Finn BV - Oct 1, 2005 11:31 am (#95 of 109)

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Phlegm, you are quoting from J.K. Rowling Official Site, and that statement was made before HBP, I believe. It said that the Creeveys will not be the new Beaters. So that has no statement on Book 7, because she did say in the TLC/Mugglenet interview that she has written her final Quidditch scene, in HBP. I do hope Hogwarts will stay open, though.

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Verbina - Oct 1, 2005 9:59 pm (#96 of 109)

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It is possible, if there are enough students, that Quidditch will continue at Hogwarts. Harry will just not be there...on the team or maybe not in the school.

Seriously though, where else would Harry go.

He hates Privet Drive and will likely go back only to renew his protection and collect his things. (Plus...I didn't like the greedy look in Uncle Vernon's eyes when he heard that Harry inherited a house.)

I seriously doubt he will stay at the Weasly's indefinately. It's a great place to visit but I think an extended stay there at the Burrow with Ginny there all the time would be too much for Harry when he is trying to stay away from her.

Grimmauld Place is far too gloomy and full of too many memories for Harry. I just can't see him staying there permanently either.

The only place other than Hogwarts I could see Harry possibly staying for long periods of time would be perhaps somewhere in Godric's Hollow because of the connection to is parents.

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Paulus Maximus - Oct 2, 2005 7:42 am (#97 of 109)

Grimmauld Place is far too gloomy and full of too many memories for Harry. I just can't see him staying there permanently either.

So is Hogwarts, though. Harry has even more memories of Hogwarts than of 12GP, and Harry noticed how gloomy Hogwarts was in book 2 when Hagrid and Dumbledore were gone.

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Phlegm452 - Oct 2, 2005 9:18 am (#98 of 109)

Ok, should have thought about that one a little harder. Nevertheless, JKR did say that one of Harry's classmates would be a teacher.

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Choices - Oct 3, 2005 6:30 pm (#99 of 109)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Hogwarts has a long and distinguished history. It is the only school for young witches and wizards in the area, so I do not see how it can not remain open. Where would the kids go to school? Surely not to Durmstrang - most parents would not want their kids to learn the dark arts. Surely not to Beauxbatons - too far away and just not homey enough for kids used to Hogwarts. No, I refuse to even think about Hogwarts not being there. It has lasted for over 1000 years, through good times and bad, and I want to see it go at least another 1000 years.

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Steve Newton - Oct 4, 2005 7:05 am (#100 of 109)

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If Voldemort triumphs Hogwarts use as a school could be largely curtailed. Voldemort values service not learning.

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Finn BV - Oct 4, 2005 8:43 pm (#101 of 109)

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Also for why would kids go to Beauxbatons – most of 'em don't speak French.

I agree with Choices entirely, why should the school close now? Where would everyone go? It would, IMO, increase the level of panic, especially for the Muggle parents. ("Hogwarts is closing? Obviously this is getting serious out there… my child must remain with me at all times!") I don't think the Order would want that.

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Choices - Oct 6, 2005 11:02 am (#102 of 109)

*Completely Obsessed With Harry Potter*
Also, Hogwarts needs to be there to train new generations of wizards. That would be especially important in the fight against Voldemort or his successors - trained wizards who can defend themselves and their families against evil - not to mention just to be trained for jobs - aurors and ministry workers, healers, etc.

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Chemyst - Oct 15, 2005 7:05 pm (#103 of 109)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
Most of the times I've thought about JKR saying she has written her last quidditch game, I'll rationalize my way back by thinking that she intentionally said that, in that interview, to that audience of hard-core fans, at that time of the HBP release, so that, while true, it is intended as a misdirection. It is as if she was baiting us and we are supposed to think it is a clue that supports the closing of Hogwarts.

The only thing that keeps me from fully agreeing with Choices is my own imagination. I think a grand re-opening of Hogwarts would make a fantastic ending – but to have that as a happy resurrection-metaphor ending, it would have to close first.

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RoseMorninStar - Oct 15, 2005 10:12 pm (#104 of 109)

I live in the Shire. It looks a lot like Wisconsin, USA
There are a couple of things that make me think that JKR was serious when she said that she had written her last Quidditch game. One, she's not really a 'sports' person and she said it was getting more and more difficult for her to come up with new ways of telling the game. Secondly, I think that Hermione, in HBP said that Quidditch contributed to keeping the houses from coming together-they were too busy competing against one another. Three, in the next book, I think the Wizarding World will be in an all out war and it will be too dangerous or there won't be enough kids to play on the teams. And last, when JKR says a definitive 'yes' or 'no', she usually means it. Oh...and one thing I hadn't thought of before...maybe there will still be Quidditch at Hogwarts, but Harry will not be Captain/not be playing because he will be busy elsewhere so Jo will just not have to write about it.

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Chemyst - Oct 16, 2005 10:57 am (#105 of 109)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
RoseMornin', I do think quidditch will go in in the WW, just not for Harry. Here is the quote from the Melissa/Emerson interview:
You know, that was the last Quidditch match. I knew as I wrote it that it was the last time I was going to be doing a Quidditch match. To be honest with you, Quidditch matches have been the bane of my life in the Harry Potter books. They are necessary in that people expect Harry to play Quidditch, but there is a limit to how many ways you can have them play Quidditch together and for something new to happen.

I have put the word "match" in color to show how pointedly she made the distinction between the sport in general and the "matches" we've had play-by-play sportscasting for.

I should have included the quote in my earlier post because it shows why I think it is true that there will be no more "matches" between the houses described in the book 7, BUT that it is an unreliable clue for predicting the future of Hogwarts.

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RoseMorninStar - Oct 16, 2005 4:56 pm (#106 of 109)

I live in the Shire. It looks a lot like Wisconsin, USA
Chemyst, I am sorry if I did not make myself clear. I never intended to imply that it would be the end of Quidditch forever. But, as in the year of the TriWizard tournament, there were no Quidditch/Quidditch matches at Hogwarts.

I have a funny feeling though, because of Hermione's comment about how divisive Quidditch has become to the school, and the Sorting hat talking about unity, that, at least for this next year, Quidditch will be put on hold.

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Esther Rose - Oct 17, 2005 3:04 pm (#107 of 109)

I am under the suspicion that the sorting hat will go on strike and not sort any students.

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Chemyst - Oct 19, 2005 9:19 pm (#108 of 109)

"Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up." A.A. Milne
I am under the suspicion that the sorting hat will go on strike and not sort any students.

. . . .Ooooh!

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Solitaire - Dec 27, 2005 3:19 pm (#109 of 109)

Even with Dumbledore gone, Hogwarts still seems safer for the kids than their homes ... especially if both parents work. At school, they are under careful supervision and guardianship of the teachers. Now that they know how the Hogwarts security was breached, perhaps that can be rectified.

Given the absence of Snape and Malfoy, is it possible that the DEs might not send their children to Hogwarts? If DE kids do stay away, I believe a strong union of the four houses would definitely be possible--maybe even likely.

With fewer kids, too, we might see the remaining professors branch out a bit ... into different disciplines. I've long thought Flitwick might be good at DADA. After all, he was a dueling champion, and he is the Charms professor. That would seem to be a great combination for DADA. Slughorn is obviously talented at transfiguration as well as Potions. Perhaps he could handle those two disciplines. I'll bet Sprout can also handle Potions.

When McGonagall called Hagrid into her office, I wondered if perhaps he was being made the new Head of Gryffindor House. It seems logical to me, but others might disagree.

As for students ... I believe any remaining DA students (except Marietta) would have no problem with "crossover" among the houses. If known DE kids (Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Nott) do not come back, then possibly the remaining Slytherin kids might be more open to mingling with kids from the other three houses. Of course, there is always the possibility that other kids of unidentified DEs may exist among all four houses. Such kids would be the "fly in the ointment" there, I suppose.

Like most others seem to feel, I believe Hogwarts must remain open. I would really like to see some kids and faculty return from Beauxbatons and Durmstrang, as well. It would help the unity among the schools, I think. JM2K ...

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